good evening. i'm wolf blitzer in washington. we welcome you to cnn prime time. breaking news. a texas woman has been charged with threatening in a voicemail to kill the federal judge overseeing the criminal case against former president trump over his attempts to try to overturn the 2020 presidential election. the suspect allegedly called the chambers of the federal judge on august 5th and left a voicemail message threatening to, quote, kill anyone who went after former president trump. we'll have more on this story's breaking news. that's coming up in just a few moments. it comes as we are on the verge of a truly unprecedented calendar collision leading to a presidential campaign like nothing we've ever seen before. the 45th president of the united states facing courtroom dates in the coming weeks and months here in washington, d.c. in south florida, in new york, and in georgia. all while he's running for a second material. the fulton county d.a. fani willis said she wants to arraign donald trump and his co-def co-defendants. she wants the trial to begin the day before super tuesday when more than a dozen states hold their elections. and ongoing negotiations with the details of his surrender before the august 25th deadline. meanwhile, his advisers believe he is not planning to debate on august 23rd. that's next week. asa hutchinson, one of the rivals, is standing by live. he will weigh in. the death toll has risen to at least 110 in the maui wildfires as searchers are still digging through the ruins of once thriving communities. hawaii's governor josh green told me this earlier tonight. >> 38% of the territory has been covered by the rescue teams. so they're really accelerating now, as you mentioned earlier. we're adding 225 additional people to go and do search and rescue and another 20 dogs, taking up to 40 dogs. so much more territory will be covered quickly. >> tonight i'll ask the hawaii senator what it will take to heal hawaii and its people. right now, evan perez, and chief law enforcement and intelligence analyst. also with us, jean rossi, and the national security attorney bradley moss. i want to get right to evan. on the breaking news we're following, a texas woman charged with threatening to kill the judge overseeing donald trump's election interference case. evan? >> this woman is in texas. what did you learn? >> she made a threat. this was a voicemail that she left in the chambers of judge tanya chutkan overseeing the case of the former president. this case according to authorities, she leaves a threat that says, if trump doesn't get elected if 2024, we are coming to kill you. she goes on to make additional threats. she also made threats to kill congressman sheila jackson lee. all democrats in washington and members of the lgbtq community. a lot of threats like this that periodically make their way to elected officials. we saw the very serious assassination attempt of a supreme court justice in the last few months. so they have to, the fbi, the justice department takes every up with of these seriously. you never know which one of these things could turn out to be extra. in this case, this woman, her name is abigail jo. she told investigators from dhs that she had no plans to travel to washington. that she was making these threats verbally. so it appears this one was a much more limited case. but all of these things are very concerning whenever the authorities come across them. >> and if you read this criminal complaint, it's pretty scary stuff, what's going on. john, the investigators say the woman used racial slurs and threatened to go after anyone who went after former president trump. is there a likelihood of more violence? >> i think it is likely. what we've seen in new york city is the district attorney alvin bragg who brought the first trump case. he's had his security detail increased because of the number of threats, including racial epithets and suggestions he should be hung or shot and killed have come in. fani willis, we've seen the same conduct threats, increases to her security. interestingly, even the fulton county sheriff has said he's gotten threats and racist comments. so this arrest against an african american judge sitting in u.s. district court in d.c. saying if donald trump is not reelected in 2024, we're going to kill you. this was attracted to an individual, a charge was made, bail has been denied. she's going to be sitting there for 30 days before even a detention hearing is a signal that the department of homeland security, the u.s. marshals, the fbi will take these cases seriously and track these threats back to people and put a price on it. >> they want to send a pledge to others. if you even think about doing this, you can be in deep, deep trouble. everybody, stand by. a very complicated legal political calendar right now. >> forget about all the legal wrangling later on. let's go to the election, january 2nd. if things stay where they're tentatively put right now. they probably won't. but if they do, the election subversion trial would start jab 2nd, two weeks before the iowa caucuses. the first of the nation test of who might be the gop nominee. january 15th. the second e. jean carroll case. she won the first one. the second defamation case would get started. that's the day of the iowa caucuses. even if all that started when it did, when it is scheduled to start, even if it were all done by the end of february, which is virtually impossible, here comes march. the georgia election subversion trial is currently aiming at march 4th. the very next day is super tuesday when americans will dish out the largest set of delegates to determine who it will be. then it goes from march when the hush money trial gets started. may 20th or 27th when the classified documents case is theoretically going to get started. and again, even if all that worked, even if you got to july 15th and 18th of the gop election, yeah, a lot of people may be excited about donald trump being their candidate. but he will be a candidate who will have a whole nation listening to months of sworn testimony about what he did that many are going to say would not make him a good candidate or a good president again. >> truly unprecedented. of course, all of these dates could potentially change. so far, how has team trump reacted to these potential conflicts with his campaign? >> if you look at all that and say that would be successf impossible to run a successful campaign. they are saying it is all political. look what he put up on truth social after jack smith suggested january 2nd for the election interference. only an out of touch lunatic would ask for such a date. over and over again, what the trump team is saying is this is all about the election. over and over again, the prosecutors and others should say, this is about the law and the fact that you have to file the law. if that makes people not want to vote for you, so be it. >> stay with us. don't go too far away. brad, let me start with you. this news about this threat to judge chutkan. how has this changed the threat level around this case? it is chilling to just hear what was said on that phone call. >> it's absolutely disturbing. it will get worse before it ever gets better. because part of the problem is everyone is treating donald trump with kid gloves. no one wants to be the judge, the prosecutor or anything who tries to silence him because of the political back lash. you haven't seen the d.a.s, jack smith ask for it yet. as this gets worse. as the threats continue to expand, will there be a real action? we've seen donald trump attack witnesses. he went after mike pence twice. he's gone after the judge by name. at what point does someone say, enough is enough. we have to rein him in before someone gets killed. >> let's go to the georgia indictment. all 19 defendants will be arraigned over the next three weeks. is that realistic? >> unrealistic. i had a case involving 19 defendants. what happened was, it was a january 6th case. we divided up the case into two cases. some pled out. and you had two separate trials. there is absolutely no chance that 19 defendants will go to trial in march. just too many motions, too many attorneys, too many schedules. >> do you agree? >> yeah. i don't think jack smith is getting january 2024 for his case. i think march is probably the first time we'll see any of the cases. when it comes to fani willis, i think she's getting pushed to the summer. if any of these go to trial, donald trump will almost certainly get convicted. his hope has to rest to pretrial motions. and he will appeal and delay and push this off. he does not want to face a convince and a sentencing before the election. >> sources are telling cnn that trump's lawyers, they're in ongoing negotiations right now over the details of his surrender. as we all know, this is the fourth time the trump lawyers have had to negotiate his surrender. we're talking about the former president of the united states. >> georgia has a bit of a different system than the previous ones we've seen. there is a presentment and then an arraignment. they've managed to do it at the same time. what they're negotiating now is for him to turn himself in where he'll be fingerprinted and mug shot. and according to the sheriff, they'll treat it like any other case. the possibility exists, wolf, that this might be the first time we actually see a mug shot from the former president. they've taken one in new york but they don't allow the release of it. he is one of the most recognizable people on the planet so they didn't think it was necessary. georgia will have their own process. so trump being trump, he's already said, and his campaign has said that they would use this to sort of fundraise, to raise more money for his campaign. they find this to be something that would be good for him. so that is part of the process. one of the things that we know is going on, talking to sources around trump. they're trying to negotiate the surrender next week. we have a bifurcated process in georgia. he'll be going to court potentially, or to georgia a couple of time. >> i'll let jon miller weigh in on this. >> what do you think? >> i think when it is time to surrender in georgia, most of the logistical negotiations about that process that will make everything different will happen between the secret service and the sheriff. with a the sheriff has said, show up at the jail. not the courthouse. not the sheriff's office. show up at the jail. we're open 24/7. we'll leave the light on for you is what he's saying. we'll get you booked and released. and that's it. that's the same message to all the defendants. he doesn't single out president trump as being special. the difference with president trump is, he's always an anomaly as an arrest by law enforcement because he is escorted, protected by other law enforcement with the secret service so it is a tad awkward. >> very awkward indeed. if he were to wind up in jail, let's say he were. would secret service agents be with him until cell? >> that's a question we've kicked around hear for literally months since the first indictment. there are a couple of bad assignments in the secret service and that would be one of them. coming up, will donald trump take the debate stage next week? 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does he owe it to the people? >> well, wolf, first of all he does owe it to all the republican voters to participate in the debate. he's got to answer the tough questions. to respond to the moderator, which will be tough, but the other candidates that are there. i don't know whether he'll appear or not. if he is there, i intend to hold him accountable. i intend to ask the tough questions as well. he would be disastrous as a second term president, conducting his revenge tour, and he would also cause us to lose up and down the ticket in the 2024 election. >> it's interesting that governor desantis hasn't pounced on trump's legal troubles. he called the latest indictment, i call it now, a kcriminalizatin of politics. is this a winning strategy for desantis? >> well, they're trying to do it both ways. going after trump. but at the same time attacking the system. the system needs to be reformed. here you've got a state prosecutor with a grand jury making decisions. you've had four grand juries meeting and finding probable cause. if that's not a concern to the voters. if it is not a concern to the candidates, then we're really in trouble. what concerns me is that we have our institutions being attacked. being attacked by trump. he's leading us to attack the justice system. to attack our democracy. he's undermining our judges and our prosecutors and threatening in some ways that they're somehow out of line because they're pursuing the law. so this is unhelpful and somebody needs to stand up for the rule of law in this country and i intend to do that. >> i know you've said that trump's fourth indictment, and i'm quoting you now, has disqualified him from ever holding our nation's highest office again. but look at this latest quinnipiac poll shows trump and biden are essentially tied. biden at 47%. trump at 46%. how do you explain this? >> well, i think that where we are today, but as the facts soak in from the different indictments, then people will realize that there's going to be, it will be impossible for him to win the november 2024 election. i'm here in iowa. i've been to the iowa state fair talking to a lot of voters out here. and i really sense that the voters are concerned about all the drama around trump. we don't need four more years. there's starting to be concern about the country under his leadership. and as that goes on with the facts developing, then you will see those numbers decline. and it could be this fall. it could be this winter. those numbers will decline and they'll start here in iowa. >> the same quinnipiac poll shows 54% of americans think trump should be prosecuted on criminal charges linked to the 2020 election in georgia. 42% say he shouldn't be prosecuted. he's been indicted on 91 crimes in four criminal cases. yet he's still the gop front runner. explain that. >> of course, tows numbers would be different in the gop voters. they see an unfairness in the system. it's easy whenever donald trump portrays himself as the victim. that wins people over. they don't trust the system. and it is really not the right thing to do about our system of justice. i could look at it as a former federal prosecutor. the georgia case should have been deferred and handled under jack smith's purview because the federal case overlaps that. i can see how that would be the right thing to do. i'm surprised that she pursued that. but the fact is he's morally responsible for what happened on january 6th. you have multiple cases to determine whether he's criminally responsible. and i'm looking at it as a candidate and ultimately the voters will decide this, that they'll have a lot of facts that will be confronting them between now and voting time that i believe they will hold donald trump accountable. >> governor hutchinson, thank you so much for joining us. we'll see you on the campaign trail. >> all right. thank you. great to be with you. and asa 2024.com. >> thank you. the man once known as manager's mayor is now indicted alongside president trump in georgia. he the cnn original series giuliani. what happened to manager's mayor. that's this saturday, 8:00 p.m. eastern on cnn. just ahead, the death toll in hawaii rises to at least 110. many residents are still looking for answers about their missing loved ones. the hawaii senator is here with me next. i'm saving with liberty mutual, mom. they customize your car insurance so you only pay for what you need. you could save $700 dollars just by switching. ooooh, let me put a reminder on my phone. on the top of the pile! oh. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ you're watching football wrong! what do you call a guy in face paint that can't get the game? 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>> still difficult to say. i think it's probably still over 1,000. right now we're focused pretty completely on the disaster area, and taking people into housing. getting people into hotel rooms. >> joining me now, hawaii senator mazie hirono. thank you for joining us. my heart goes out to all the people in hawaii right now. more than a week after the devastating fires, you heard the governor, josh green, tell me more than 1,000 people are still missing. when will families get answers about their missing loved ones? >> that is why there are increasing number of people, as well as cadaver dogs being deployed to the area so that the search can continue. we are also stepping up the ability to identify the remains. when i visited with the fbi, for example, today, they are sending their resources to help with identifying of the remains. so all of these are priority actions being taken in addition to some 700 federal agency employees who are now there to help with the effort. >> during tonight's briefing, as you probably know, the maui emergency management agency administrator was asked if he regretted not sounding the island's warning sirens. he responded, and i'm quoting now, i do not. senator, you've said you will not make any excuses for failed communication leading up to the fires. have you been briefed on the state's review of the emergency response there? are you satisfied with what you know so far? >> well, i know that they, the attorney general is reviewing the pre, during, and post of this disaster, so that is ongoing. i do believe that the maui person was premature in his assessment of the situation, saying that he does not regret sounding the alarm. >> people wanted to hear that alarm, i suspect. efforts to fully contain the fires, as you full know, are still underway. the maui fire chief is asking people to remain vigilant. in his words, weather is coming in and winds are up. are you concerned this situation, god forbid, could actually get worse? >> i think at this point, the firefighters are there not just from maui but people from california, as far as i know, other counties, and so we are on very, very high alert. so my expectation, of course, is that none of this will accelerate. >> as you know, the bidens will visit maui on monday. do you believe, senator, that the federal government has done enough to support your constituents? 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>> well, first of all, it is an effort to keep ukraine from exporting its grain. this is an attack with multiple victims to it. first of all, ukraine, taking away the earnings, and the substance for ukraine's farmers. it is an attack on europe because ukraine has to get that grain out through europe and there are issues getting it through poland and hungary. it is an attack on sanctions because russia says it is the sanctions that we put on them that are keeping them from sending their grain. and they think that by hurting the global cell, by keeping food from east africa and south asia, that somehow these nations will blame the united states and our sanctions on russia for this. sole all of these are in play. if you look at that explosion, that's also a signal to romania. that's an effort to sort of horizontally exploit. >> these port cities are incredibly close. these ukrainian ports are close to the border with romania which is a nato member. russia has also been hitting western ukraine, not far from poland's border. whether romania or poland or some other nato ally, how serious are the implications if they were hit? >> i think the implications are serious. our european allies are looking for america to be more of a leader in this. we're leading in giving the support to ukraine militarily. but we're not leading politically. it was the east european nations like poland and estonia that wanted ukraine to be brought into nato. it is the united states and maybe germany, the united states maybe hiding behind germany saying not so fast, not so fast. so the russians see this. they read our newspapers. they know us very well. and they understand, this administration is concerned not to provoke putin. we're playing by putin's rules on this. we're afraid to provoke him. so the more they can stir things up and horizontally escalate by putting wagner in belarus, having belarus move troops to the border with lits lithuania o forth, the more pressure they put on nato. we've got to take greater risks. we have to move a little faster in this incremental approach of assisting ukraine. time is not on ukraine's side on this. we need to give them the support as rapidly as possible and get them back into the sea of azov. in this, i guess i december agree with some inside the administration. they're worried and want to slow it down. i think the risk is, as it drags out, you have a greater risk of escalation horizontally to other countries in the region. that's what this strike on reni and other ports along that danube heestuary. that's what it says to me. >> there's growing tension between poland and belarus. belarus being a key russian ally. specifically, what are you monitoring on this front? >> when you look at what's happening in belarus, of course, we don't know really what the future of wagner group is. a lot of us thought from the beginning, this whole thing with prigozhin might have been a kabuki dance. a way of shifting effort to bringing look shenko in closer to putin. what we do have now for sure is a greater tension between belarus, poland, lithuania, and callin grad that is separated geographically. so that's a real point of potential escalation and both lithuania and poland are very, very cognizant of this. >> i've been hearing from a lot of folks in poland, how worried they are about potential russian attack on poland. if you talk one nato ally, you've attacked all nato allies, including the united states. all this comes amid continued struggles for ukraine and its military counteroffensive against the russian occupation. what could change, general, the dynamic right now? how concerned are you this could impact western support? >> well, i think, first of all, the expectations for the ukrainian counteroffensive got out of hand. this was never going to be a blitz kreeg. even if ukraine had had air superiority, wasn't going to be. there are too many minefields out there. so the ukrainians are doing quite a commendable job in the south going through the minefields. at the same time, the russians have a major counteroffensive going, coming into kharkiv. and this is really of concern. we're not seeing that much of it in the press. occasionally, the ukrainians say we're rolling some troops back. the russian plan was to thin out their defenses in the south. obscure the ukrainian push with their minefields and fortifications and then build up forces in the northeast and try to break through with kharkiv and then kyiv. kyiv is ukraine. ukrainians know this. they're on guard against it. they're working it really hard. so i think we've got to understand what the dynamics of the battlefield are. this is a tough fight. it is an infantry fight to clear the minefields. they have to get to the north. we can't say, this has to be finished by the middle of october. if it rains, that is end of the offensive. not true at all. ukrainians are moving on foot. they're going through forests and so forth, and really, the worse the weather, the better for the ukrainians. it keeps the russian helicopters and air strikes off the ukrainians. so this offensive, counteroffensive will go on for a long time. >> i suspect you're right. thank you so much for joining us. general wesley clark, the former nato supreme allied commander. other news we're following, michael oher, the man depicted in the movie "the blind side" said he was never adopted but signed into a conservatorship. now he wants out. so what's really going on here? 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>> very interesting. because i reviewed the court order and he was present at the conservatorship hearing. so, i find it difficult to believe, although anything is possible, that he did not know that he was in a conservatorship court, and not being adopted. i only found that one document. and not only was he there but, apparently, his biological parents were also given notice and consented to the conservatorship. >> christine brennan, the tuohys dispute other allegations and i want you to listen to the family's attorneys -- the remarks from the family attorneys earlier today. >> the tuohys did not control any of mr. oher's finances. mr. oher picked his own agent. when he signed pro, mr. oher signed his own contract. it's devastating to the family. and we hope that it doesn't have a chilling effect effect on others who want to help needy individuals. >> christine, you interviewed the tuohys. you have done a lot of reporting on what is going on here. what is your take on the situation? >> you know, wolf, michael oher, at the time was, of course, a superstar in high school, and then went on to play in college at the same university that the tuohys went 2 and, of course, were boosters of ole miss and then went into the nfl as the number one pick of the baltimore ravens, 5 -- in the nfl. he made -- as far as we can understand -- well over 20 million dollars in salary as an nfl football player. that doesn't seem to be a part of this. with the fact that he had -- as lisa maccarley we're saying -- that he had -- was able to be in charge of his career, it does beg the question about the issue of how much control the tuohys had if, in fact, michael oher was able to go ahead and have his professional career and have the agent or have the money that he was making their. there are so many questions here. and it goes back, really, wolf, to the movie, we are there were concerns about the ncaa a, looking into violations of what was going on with michael oher and the family, getting him to ole miss, their university, and so many issues that have now bubbled back to the surface and that we would now obviously love to have answers. 2 >> -- answers that are needed right. now lisa maccarley, explain to our viewers the difference between a conservatorship and an adoption, and why would a 37 year old still be under a conservatorship. >> so, according to the court records in tennessee that i reviewed, the tuohys did get an order appointing them as conservative or. but what was very interesting to me is that they did not sign an oath and they never had what is called letters of conservatorship issued. so, i am of the opinion that the tuohys may have had a need, for example, to add him to insurance. or there may have been something to do with the college. but they never had actual legal authority to manage his funds. in terms of what the difference is between a legal adoption -- a legal adoption is where you basically change parents. you terminate the legal relationship with your biological parents and you then have a legal document that says that you are now the legal child of another couple. so, that is very, very different. a conservatorship merely grants decision-making responsibilities -- incapacitated adult to a presumably competent and responsible individual. but that is not a family relationship. big difference, in my mind, is that an adoption would mean that, if something were to happen 2 mr. and ms. tuohy, an adopted child would have the right to inherit from the family, whereas, in a conservatorship, that type of legal relationship does not exist. >> very significant legal differences -- ladies, thank you very much for all of that. coming up, from michael barry, the famous investor who is one of the first to discover americas housing bubble back in 2008, also played by christian bale in the big short has another massive vet. this time he's putting 1.6 billion dollars on the line -- that the stock market will crash. that is coming up in the next hour on "cnn tonight". >> start -- beach house, a treehouse, ♪ ♪ honestly i don't care ♪ find thehe perfect vacation rental for you booking.com, booking. yeah. type 2 diabetes? 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