the jail is open 24/7. an open invitation from the fulton county sheriff to donald trump and his co-defendants as we learn the former president is in talks right now over when he will turn himself in. details on when we could see him surrender. a climbing death toll and a growing recognition of just how much maui has lost. authorities in hawaii trying now to identify some of the wildfire victims. and the white house announces that president biden will travel there next week to tour the aftermath for himself. plus biden selling bidenomics. polls still show, though, the voters aren't buying it. what is the disconnect even in a strong economy? we are following these major developing stories and many more, all coming in right here to "cnn news central." the countdown has begun, and the jailers are waiting. donald trump and his 18 co-defendants have nine days left to turn themselves in at the fulton county jail near downtown atlanta. we're keeping a close eye on that live feed right there. that is where they would arrive. and inside they would be fingerprinted and processed. it's all part of a spiraling rico indictment alleging the former president and others engaged in a conspiracy to criminally interfere with georgia's 2020 election. trump's post-election lawyer and now co-defendant rudy giuliani plans to surrender next week. now, as for trump it's unknown exactly when he's going to show up. but we did just learn his lawyers are now negotiating with the district attorney on the details of his surrender. let's get to cnn's alayna treene, who has the new reporting for us. so alayna, what are you hearing from trump's legal team? >> right. well, boris, i am told from trump's team that they are in ongoing negotiations with the fulton county district attorney's office about the details of his surrender. of course donald trump as is the case with his 18 co-defendants listed in the indictment, they have until next friday august 25th at noon to surrender. and be processed. what i'm told is they are talking to the district attorney's office, donald trump's team, and they are currently negotiating what the date may look like. now, i am told that the early indications from these conversations, that it will likely be next week. but again, this is all still being discussed among trump's lawyers and the fulton county district attorney's office. but one thing i want to point you to, boris, is that on monday donald trump has said that he is going to be hosting a news conference at his club in bedminster, new jersey and then we also have the debate next wednesday with many of the 2024 republican candidates -- and again, it's unclear if donald trump as well is going to be participating in those debates. my conversations with trump's team is as of now it's not looking very likely. but this is all potentially on a collision course for next week. >> a very busy calendar not only with campaign events but with court dates ahead for the former president. alayna treene, thank you so much. jim? >> as we await those surrenders in fulton county, at least one defendant, mark meadows, trump's former chief of staff, is trying to stop the process in its tracks. he's filing to move the case to a federal court. cnn's sara murray is here. so sara, is this about delay? is this about setting himself up perhaps for a presidential pardon which doesn't normally apply -- which would not apply to a state case? what's behind this? >> i think it's a lot of things. when they put this motion into the federal court, one, they're asking to move the case. but two, they're just asking the federal court to toss the charges altogether. so if mark meadows were successful, obviously, that would be the ideal outcome as far as he's concerned, you just do away with it. i do want to read a part of the argument that his attorneys are making in this filing. they say nothing mr. meadows is alleged in the indictment to have done is criminal per se. arranging oval office meetings, contacting state officials on the president's behalf, visiting a state government building and setting up a phone call for the president, one would expect a chief of staff to the president of the united states to do these sorts of things. he's of course facing two charges. one is a violation of the rico act and the other has to do with solicitation of a violation of oath for a public officer. the other thing is if he can get this moved to federal court, again, you're in a different kind of position where you could potentially be eligible for a pardon if you are convicted and you also have a different jury pool that is going to be broader across the state of georgia than the one that you would get in fulton county. >> his statement there notably, it seems to slough off the responsibility of the president. is one way of reading it there. the former president, i should say. could this ultimately be a situation where some cases stay in the state court and some go to federal court? >> i think we're going to have to see how this plays out. because i think there are going to be other defendants including the former president who also try to have their case moved to federal court. and then there's going to be a decision the district attorney's office has to make, if they want to move all of these defendants to federal court, my understanding in talking to attorneys is that they're able to do that. when i asked her in her press conference monday night at like midnight if she was dedicated to trying them all together, she said she was. but we'll just have to see how some of these pretrial motions play out. >> there are going to be a lot of motions. sara murray, thanks so much. boris. former trump lawyer rudy giuliani and one of the 19 charged in the georgia election subversion case and of course unindicted co-conspirator number one in the special counsel's federal indictment is struggling under massive legal bills. he now claims in court that he is going broke, that he's effectively out of cash. it's all related to his work for donald trump after the 2020 election. giuliani's attorneys told a judge on monday that the former new york city mayor is staring down hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal bills. cnn's katelyn polantz joins us now. and katelyn, you have new reporting on just how rudy giuliani wound up in this ugly financial situation. >> yeah. we're getting a snapshot, essentially, of the amount of bills that have piled up around him as he has had to defend himself on lawsuits. basically, most of them are related to the 2020 election and what he was doing for donald trump. there are several lawsuits he's facing about statements he made, defamation cases brought by dominion voting, smartmatic and two georgia election workers, ruby freeman and shaye moss. and two of those cases have been progressing along, and he is barely mustering up enough money to keep those cases going, to keep fighting them. and actually, this week he has a list of things he needs to pay for to keep these lawsuits afloat. so he is right now already facing the possibility that a judge could rule against him with finality in the case from the two georgia election workers. he could lose that and have a significant bill. he already has a bill of $89,000 and counting for legal fees of things that have happened so far in that case where they have had to fight over him getting electronic records. there's another case, smartmatic's case against him, he was just in court today arguing that he's not getting any more financial help, there was some financial help he got to the tune of 3$320 ,000 from save america pac to pay for some bills he needed to keep his records archived and to be able to produce them in the lawsuit, which is something that has to happen when you're a defendant in a lawsuit. and he's not going to be getting more financial help. that was what our reporter jeremy herb in the courtroom heard his lawyers say. and the judge, though, was unconvinced that he had a true financial hardship at this time there and so said that giuliani needs to go and pay for those records to be produced for smartmatic. so he's in the middle of these cases. things are looking bad for the amount of bills he has to pay. he's clearly struggling. he's saying in court i'm struggling, i don't have the money. and so those cases will continue on. bills will continue to pile up. he's trying to sell his apartment. but where this goes for the former mayor is a big question. >> yeah, we should note that save america pac that you mentioned affiliated with former president donald trump. katelyn, you also have some reporting for us about jack smith and evidence that he's collected as part of his effort to investigate the former president's attempt to overturn the 2020 election, specifically records from twitter. >> right. we learned last week that the special counsel's office did subpoena or they got a warrant to get access to donald trump's twitter account, real donald trump, the account that was sthut down after january 6th. and not only did they get that data, we're now learning through some unsealings in the federal court in washington, we can read transcripts now from how that developed between the special counsel and twitter, and they're showing that not only does donald trump have direct messages, so private messages in that twitter account, there's a volume of them according to twitter that they were able to hand over to the special counsel's office. now, what those messages say is still a big question. we haven't seen that in the indictment or any of the court papers of what the prosecutors have found those direct messages to say. but they have them. they exist. and there's major questions that prosecutors have had about what trump was saying written down in the moment on january 6th or in the days after or were other people using his account messaging people, what kind of messages were there. >> yeah, what kind of devices were being used, who potentially was using them. a lot of potential evidence in dms. katelyn polantz, thank you so much. jim? >> joining us now to discuss, former georgia republican lieutenant governor geoff duncan and norm eisen, who served as special counsel for the house judiciary in trump's first impeachment trial. good to have you both on here. if i could begin with you first, norm, to this question of attempting to move this case to a federal court as mark meadows is trying now and others may try down the road, you say that's a steep legal hill to climb. why? >> jim, federal removal is available when a defendant has engaged in official conduct. the supreme court, the case is called nixon v. fitzgerald, has defined that so a well, it has to be official, it needs to be somewhere within the outermost perimeter, the furthest boundaries of official conduct. and based on the evidence that we already know publicly and what fani willis has charged here, essentially she's saying mark meadows participated in an attempted coup and the alleged overturn of a election outcome in georgia that is fundamentally a campaign or a political matter. so based on the evidence, it looks like it's not an official act. it can't be, if you think about it under the constitution. an official act to engage illegally. and there's other factors like the fact that the white house doesn't have a role in adjudicating state election results. so steep hill. >> you're saying it's not an official act because it was campaign-related or because it was potentially illegal? that it was not a nice official act as it -- >> all of the above. there's a very important 11th circuit case, the balcomb case that is going to come into play here which says if it was not official, if it was not done in good faith, if it was done with criminal intent or if it has any other of these badges of impropriety then it's not immune. and that means it shouldn't go to federal court. >> geoff duncan, trump of course calls this a fundamentally partisan prosecution here, as do many of his allies. it is notable in georgia, however, that it is gop officials including yourself who stood up to him, rejected his claims of fraud there, rejected his attempts to overturn the election. you interact with a lot of georgia gop voters. i wonder, when you meet them do they side with your view of the case and brad raffensperger and brian kemp's or do they side with the president's, the former president's? >> well, first of all, let's cue up the alternate universe strategy that played out post-2020. they're going back to the same game plan right now, right? shiny objects and point to things that really aren't true and don't matter. >> yeah. >> the exact answer to your question is i don't think you have to go any further than brian kemp's win. brian kemp beat david perdue in a primary process quite honestly by the biggest margin i've ever seen in state politics. 52%. donald trump campaigned for him and built him up, and then of course brian kemp went on to win over stacey abrams in the general. so republicans i think have wised up quicker than the rest of the republicans across the country because they value good conservative leadership that's not crazy. and that's the winning strategy as we go into this 2024 cycle. it's painful. it feels like fingernails down a chalkboard listening to tim scott and nikki haley and others kind of walking around, tiptoeing this question about donald trump. let's just stand up, let's get them to get in a room with a case of beer and a couple pizzas and agree, you know what? let's all call donald trump for what it is. they don't believe that this election was rigged. they don't believe what he's doing is good for the future of the party. and they certainly don't believe it's what's good to try to beat joe biden which should be an easy layup for us. they need to get in a room, be able to come out as a group and say enough's enough, donald trump has forfeited the right to be called president. and the donors that are sitting on the sidelines also need to pony up here and start getting engaged in supporting folks with this new strategy. look, there's an opportunity of a lifetime for republicans to win the white house, and it's our turn to take if we step up. >> but let me ask you, we're 2 1/2 years, more, removed from january 6th, even more than that removed from the former president's first attempts to overturn this election. he's been lying for longer than that. yet most of the republican party, or at least voters, believe those lies in terms of a stolen election and most gop primary voters are sticking with trump and much of the republican leadership is sticking with him. so if it hasn't happened yet, how do you have any confidence it will happen? >> well, first of all, this has taken longer than i thought. within hours of the 2020 election when i started hearing the fans -- the flames being fanned of these conspiracy theories i started speaking up and i thought it was going to be a couple of weeks. and certainly now we're 2 1/2 years removed. i even wrote a book two years ago about this, "gop 2.0." and one of the indications is it climbed a couple hundred thous thousand spots on the amazon list. there is this motion going on, there is a trajectory but i think it's got to be a concerted effort of calling donald trump out for what he is, and that's a liar, soon to be a felon. best case scenario he shows up to inauguration with an ankle bracelet. worst case scenario he gets sworn in in jail. we have to wise up to this as republicans and we've got to come together, donors, supporters and candidates have to try to find a way to win. >> geoff duncan, norm eisen, we'll be watching. thanks so much to both of you. boris. cnn is getting a new look at the wildfire devastation in lahaina as the death toll in maui surpasses 100 and questions are raised about how those fires were sparked. plus, one year after the inflation reduction act passed the white house is 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minutes later you can see flames in the distance. those are highlighted here. at the same time of that first flash we showed you the "washington post" reports several nearby sensors used to monitor the power grid, they went off. hawaiian electric released a statement to the newspaper saying, "we know there is speculation about what started the fires and we along with others are working hard to figure out what happened." hawaii's governor is also addressing how maui's siren network, the world's largest in fact, somehow was silent during the disaster. we just learned that the system had been tested just a week before the fire. governor josh green told us earlier some sirens, it turns out, were broken. but he pointed out if they had gone off they may have sent people in the wrong direction. >> the sirens were typically used for tsunamis or hurricanes. to my knowledge, at least i never experienced them in use for fires. there may be some reasons for that. sometimes sirens send people up mountain and going up the mountain during a fire can be problematic. going up the mountain when there's a wave is what you have to do. >> cnn's bill weir, he is in maui, where fires are still burning despite -- just outside in fact the disaster zone. bill. >> reporter: this is the kula neighborhood in maui. we're several miles from the destruction in lahaina. and this is still an active fire zone. only about 60% of this upcountry fire has been contained and we can actually see at least two hot spots around here, which explains the yellow helicopter. that is the maui fire department. he's taking bucketloads of water from a nearby swimming pool of a home that was completely burned down. they're refilling it with a fire hydrant. but the fire department is stretched so thin here that it's really sort of do-it-yourself, diy fire protection, which explains this setup. this homeowner was gone. his wife was here. but she fired up their improvised sort of fire prevention system and they're spraying it as far as they can down into the ravine here with the fear that some of these hot spots might whip up. there's a couple of storms brewing in the pacific. nothing near to hurricane -- or the storm dora that created all of the firestorm winds. but still anything that would kick this up is one more horrible thing to worry about here. meanwhile, in lahaina officials say only about a third of that area has been searched with cadaver dogs. and then they've got dozens of other families who are now giving dna samples because they have loved ones who are missing. so it's agony. knowing maybe the worst has happened but hoping you'll get a better result. here again comes another drop. and in addition to the fire department, sprinklers, we actually met a couple of guys, volunteers who were putting out hot spots with bottled water, sort of through this dry brush. one of them actually burned a foot when he slid into still smoldering flames. that's the scene in upcountry. people understand there's a lot of action and sympathy happening in lahaina. but this is an ongoing story. we're going to stay on it for you here. i'm bill weir, cnn, in maui. >> lawn sprinklers as fire protection. our thanks to bill weir for that report from maui. boris. president biden is trying to sell one of the landmark pieces of legislation for his administration, the inflation reduction act. the only problem is recent polling shows many americans don't actually know what's in it. what the white house is now doing to try to change that. and illinois passing a law ensuring that teenagers seen in viral social media videos that make money are compensated, paid for their appearances. could other states follow suit? stay with "cnn news central." with bounce pet, you can n cuddle and brush that hair off. bounce. it's the sheet. that grimy film on your teeth? dr. g? it's actually the buildup of plaque bacteria which can cause cavities. most toothpastes quit working in minutes. but crest 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>> reporter: well, boris, the white house is really engaged in this full court press to try to sell and educate the public on the benefits of the inflation reduction act. in the weeks leading up to this one-year anniversary event today the president and other officials from the administration have been traveling around the country trying to promote some of the benefits, things like jobs created due to clean energy manufacturing investments, highlighting the impact that it has on things like health care and insulin costs. but it comes at a time when many american voters appear to be skeptical or simply unaware of what exactly this inflation reduction act entails. recent polling found that 7 in 10 americans either had heard little or nothing at all about this piece of legislation one year after the president had signed it into law. additionally, you've seen president biden's own approval rating sitting at about 37% when it pertains to his handling of the economy. and this really speaks to one of the challenges the white house is facing. the white house is arguing that pieces of legislation like the inflation reduction act, like the infrastructure law, that it will take time for people to see the benefits of that and feel that at their kitchen tables at home. take a listen to press secretary karine jean-pierre. >> these are long-term investments which americans are going to start to see. >> polling won't tell the whole entire story. that's why we are going to continue to tell that story. >> reporter: we've seen over the course of the summer the white house really shift toward this bidenomics messaging trying to highlight improvements in the economy, trying to highlight some of these pieces of legislation the president has signed into law, how exactly those are impacting people. of course this will be one of the challenges for the president heading into the 2024 election at a time when the economy and inflation are still top of mind for so many voters. >> vanessa, inflation overall might be on a downward trend, but for some americans spending on certain goods is still painful. >> inflation cooling but still not enough. just to give you the numbers of how this is impacting everyday americans, in the month of july, last month, americans spent $709 more on the same goods and services as they did two years ago. so still feeling that inflationary -- those inflationary prices. a lot of that, though, because of the high cost of shelter or rent. so the inflation reduction act is really designed to combat a lot of this, and there are certain things that we are seeing already since this took effect a year ago. as arlette mentioned, a big thing that a lot of americans wanted to see was a cap on insulin prices, especially under medicare. so there's a $35 cap on insulin. we also have seen job creation already. 45,000 or so ev jobs created in the last six months. and 170,000 jobs created across 34 states. and then in terms of household savings potentially $1,800 in household savings if americans decide to modernize their energy within their home. obviously that is an investment in itself. but you know, as you heard from the press secretary there, this is a long-term investment. and the white house saying that they are investing hundreds of millions of dollars in trying to create jobs, in trying to bring down the cost of everyday prices for americans, but that's going to be over a decade, right? we're just in the beginning. that's a decades-long work. so americans still really struggling to try to get a hold of these prices which are still too high. >> vanessa yurkevich, arlette saenz, thanks so much. we'll keep a close eye on this birthday party for the inflation reduction act at the white house coming up in the next hour. jim? for the first time north korea confirms it is holding u.s. soldier travis king. ahead, why they claim he crossed into their country intentionally. and arkansas is now following in florida's footsteps. the state says that teaching a.p. african american studies may now be unlawful, leaving students and schools in limbo. we're going to speak to a teacher from that state, just ahead. having triplets is... -amazing -expensive. so, we switched to the bargain detergent, but we ended up using three times as much and the clothes still weren't as clean as withide. so we're back with tide, and the clothes are clean again. do 3x the laundry and get a tide clean. it's got to be tide. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ wherever you go. wherever you stay. all you need is one key. earn and use rewards across expedia, hotels.com, and vrbo. now to some of the other headlines we're watching this hour. illinois has become the first state in the nation to pass a law protecting child influencers, defined as kids under 16 years old who are featured in video blogs. their parents now must put a portion of earnings from social media content into a blocked trust fund for the child. the percentage of earnings allocated is based on how heavily the kid is featured. the new law takes effect in july. meantime, in california a 166-year-old luxury retailer warns that this may be their last year in operation. the owner of gump's san francisco took out a paid add in the "san francisco chronicle" to blast city and state leaders for what he calls their destructive covid policies advising people to abandon their offices and allowing the homeless to occupy sidewalks, openly use illegal drugs and harass the public. the complaints echo those of several retailers that have recently signaled plans to exit san francisco. and then there's this. shouts of relief. that's the moment four australian surfers and two indonesian crew members were found on their surfboards after being lost at sea for 38 hours. the group went missing after their boat was hit by a storm off a remote indonesian island. a third indonesian national is still missing. jim? >> happy end to that story. for the first time north korea is now confirming publicly that a u.s. soldier is in that country. army private travis king was dressed in civilian clothes on a private tour of the demilitarized zone when he crossed into north korea just about a month ago. north korean state media says king was seeking refuge from mistreatment and racial discrimination in the u.s. army. cnn's oren liebermann is at the pentagon. and oren, of course north korea never reluctant to claim a propaganda victory if it suits them. i wonder what the pentagon's reaction is to all of this. >> this certainly seems to be a possibility when it comes to this report coming from north korean state media. as you rightly point out the first public acknowledgment of private travis king's presence there coming from pyongyang. and i think it's safe to say that defense officials here view the report coming from north korean state media with a healthy measure of skepticism. a u.s. defense official told us after the report came out that they could not verify the alleged claims. instead, the defense official said the focus of the u.s. remains on bringing travis king home. in terms of what was in this report, north korean state media claims that king had confessed that he illegally intruded into north korea from a tour in the joint security area there on the border there, the dmz, and that he, quote, harbored ill feeling against inhuman maltreatment and racial discrimination within the u.s. army. so it seems there that at least according to north korean state media that king had confessed to running over, that he was trying to escape the u.s. army. meanwhile, a spokesperson for travis king's family responded by saying ms. gates, that is, king's mother, is aware of today's report, quotes, from kcna. dprk authorities, north korean authorities, are responsible for travis's well-being. and she continues to appeal to them to treat him humanely. she's a mom worried about her son and would be grateful for a phone call from him. this, jim, as we reported just a couple weeks ago that the u.s. is still trying to figure out whether to label king a prisoner of war that would at least in theory give him extra protections under the geneva conventions. but the u.s. hasn't taken that step yet partially because u.s. officials have said king crossed into north korea, quote, willfully. >> has there been any progress on securing his release, or is it too early to say at this point? >> nothing substantial at this point. too early to say. there has been limited communication between united nations command in south korea and north korean authorities, but this hasn't been substantial. even the state department acknowledged this wasn't substantive dialogue, essentially north korea just acknowledging that they have received the outreach, but in terms of bringing king home there tha doesn't seem to be very much closer at this point, jim. >> oren liebermann at the pentagon. thanks so much. boris. it was a state at the center of some dark moments in the civil rights movement, particularly over the issue of education. but arkansas officials say students enrolled in an a.p. african american course will now not be able to earn credit toward graduation. we'll explain why, next. by this champ. y's prod and this future champ. and if we proffer it, we know you'll proffer i it to. he's cocky for a nineteen year old. ♪ limu emu & doug ♪ what do we always say, son? liberty mutual customizes your car insurance... so you only pay for what you need. that's my boy. now you get out there, and you make us proud, huh? 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>> well, there's definitely a movement going through the states. and i don't want it to happen here in arkansas. what's happened in florida scares us here. it's of grave concern to all of our members and quite frankly to the students here in arkansas who were signed up to take this course. there were four courses slated to begin on monday. and to hear about it being canceled for credit on friday is disheartening and just pulls the rug right out from under those kids. >> what is it that you think the people behind this movement as you describe it are fearful that kids might learn because of this course? >> the truth. could that be it? i don't think that we need to take any of that away from our students. they need to learn from the past. if we learn from our past, we can make our future stronger. >> so april, the communications director for the governor, sarah huckabee sanders, said in a post online that there is another african american history class that students can receive credit for. she implied that this other class isn't based on opinion and indoctrination. i'm wondering what your response to that is. what's the difference between the two courses? >> well, let's take a look at what an a.p. course really is. it's based on primary and secondary sources. that's not opinion. those are facts. facts about history. and when it's a strenuous class like an a.p. course that's accepted by colleges as credit, it cannot be based on opinion. and so i'm not sure what kind of opinion they're looking at for that, but it's definitely very far away from opinion-based for sure. now, at the university of arkansas along with 200 other colleges and universities are accepting this a.p. course. for them to realize that it is based on fact is simply just outstanding evidence to me that it should be accepted for college credit and high school graduation credit right here in arkansas and quite frankly any state in this union. >> that's such an important distinction that you made, that colleges even within the state are accepting it as credit. i do want to ask you about central high school. i know that some 100 students had enrolled in the course there this year. obviously this decision carries an added significance given the history there. >> definitely. and the kids came out this morning and they were on tv and they spoke about it themselves. that's whoo it's affecting. it's affecting the future of america. it's affecting these young students that were looking forward to learning the truth, to enriching their education, to preparing for their future. and it's just sad that it's being taken away from them. it is our sincere hope that the department thinks twice about this and goes ahead and considers it eligible for college credit and high school graduation credit. >> what options do those students have that were enrolled in this course and now we're finding out -- or the friday before school started on monday are finding out they're not going to get credit for it? >> right. so that's what the school districts are looking into right now. as far as it's concerned right now, it's being considered for local credit, and the university of arkansas has come out in a statement saying that they will still accept it. but the students will have to pay for the exam fee at the end of the year, which is $90, which is normally covered by the department of education. and let me tell you, the citizens, the voters here in the state of arkansas have been coming out in droves with money willing to pay for these kids to take the exam. and i think that that should be information them to understand how important this is to everyone here, to parents, to the teachers, to the voters who will remember this in november. and i'm just so excited about all of those folks coming together and wanting to take care of the fees for these kids, but they should not have to. let's not -- let's not do that to the students. let's not take this away from them. >> it appears the response may not have been what these lawmakers were anticipating. april reisma, thank you so much for sharing your perspective with us. >> thank you so much for allowing me to come on here as a representative of the arkansas education association. i appreciate your opportunity to do so. >> of course. jim? 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