After being indicted in Georgia On SeriousCriminal Charges. The former president is accused now of being the head of a criminal enterprise to overturn joe bidens victory in that state. And tonight, a local sheriff says that he is expected to be out of Fulton County jail. So, what is going on right now in trumps world, with just ten days to go until surrender . We also have news on mark meadows, making a lastditch attempt to get the case against him in georgia dismissed. We will dig into all of that tonight. Plus, the 45th president united states, now faces a stunning 91 Criminal Charges amidst for separate cases. And will be tied up in multiple courtrooms throughout his president ial cycle, all of these running for a second term so what should the gop do, if their front runner has now been indicted four times over . We will talk to New Hampshire governor chris sununu, one of the former president s most vocal critics in the Republican Party. 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What do you expect to happen, if you are his attorneys, is it something you get over with, or you wait until the last second here . I think that theyre probably going to want to wait to the last second, just because what weve seen consistently throughout these cases is, the game of trying to delay it out a little more. And so if they have ten days and you surrender on the first day, if youre trying to drag the case out past the election, when i take the extra ten days. If it wasnt a case where you had an election, i would put my client in today. But, thats different, thats a different calculus. Yeah and of course, between today and the very last possible day, which is next friday, there is a president ial debate. But, another topic just today on the legal front. We have mark meadows, he is indicted in georgia. And now, his attorneys have now filed a motion to have this case to a federal court. What do you make of that legal move . And you think it will be successful . I do. I was expecting this kind of from the beginning, that i think donald trump and mark meadows will both File Removals to have it taken to the federal court. If you look at the attempt to move the alvin bragg case to federal court, and you read the decision by judge their. He lays out the standard. And when you read it you alvin braggs case needs to stay in the state court. But, fani williss case actually does belong in a federal court, because it really does deal with these two federal officials, related to things that they were doing while in office. And he is physically in the oval office as he is doing this stuff. So i suspect that will be successful. Now, that doesnt remove fani willis from the case. It is still the same prosecutor, still the same defense, still the same defense attorney, still the same indictment. Just a different, building different judge, different jury pool. What do you make of that, andrew . I think, i think for President Trump, mark meadows, and also Jeffrey Clark will be crazy not to make that move. I think they probably have a good chance of succeeding. But not a guaranteed shot at succeeding, particularly the former president. I mean he has to, under Supreme Court precedent, he has to be able to show not only that he was an officer of the court, but that he has a federal defense. I think are some questioning whether or not the defense, if he predicates that on a claim of federal immunity, i think its questionable as to whether or not federal immunity would cover his actions, as described in this indictment. Clearly, he was not acting under any federal authority, it was likely far beyond the scope of his duties as president , in meddling with the election in georgia. So, its not a guaranteed win for him, but they will absolutely make the motion, and they could succeed. And perhaps maybe the more surprising thing is that meadows was the first person to do it, and not trumps attorneys. Tim, just broadly speaking, the charges that that he is facing here in georgia, putting aside the issue of which venue it is tried in. If your his attorney, which you are not anymore, for a number of reasons. What would you say, to mount this defense of this former president . You know this case, more so than some of the others, i think when i read through the indictment, as i saw a lot of potential legal attacks. Before even get to the merits. The use of the rico statute, in this instance is unique. And, i think that theyre gonna have some problems, especially if they give it over to the federal court. Because rico has an element of continuity to it. Where you have an organization, an enterprise that is engaging in a series of racketeering acts, as part of a continuing course of conduct. Like a mafia family, or an Organized Crime Game it seems that. But here, its all focused on a singular event, which is the election. And so i think that, when you do bring it over to a federal court, and they start to apply some of the federal rico stands to it, thats going to become problematic. Also reading through the pattern of racketeering activity, i think there are ways that you can attack that, really on a motion to dismiss on the structural side, before you even get to the merits. And so, i want to see how much he could cut away there. You also have the issue of fani willis, shes a County District attorney. A lot of the stuff didnt happen in her county. Coffee county, theres a separate da for that. Yeah but, as she pointed out, theres stuff in the indictment that happened in other states. And thats not the say that their charged specifically with all these things. But that, they are part of the conspiracy. And i see Elliott Frantically [laughter] she needs to use the rico before that. Whats your take on that defense that you heard from tim . I think, you do have a continuing course of conduct. And i think a court could find that the course of conduct started back in june of 2020, culminated in the election, and continued on through, certainly the january 6th and even today. So, there is at least an argument that, there is continuing course of conduct. Look im with you, that it is an aggressive way to charge an individual. But, i think we have in our heads that rico racketeering, if its corrupt organizations and prosecutions, are for Mafia Families and so on. And the way the Georgia Statute is written, its broader than the federal statute, as we also heard talked about here. And perhaps, all these things can be brought in. But all these questions, including that removal of the federal courtroom, which im not totally agree with either view on either. It may actually end up staying in Georgia State court. Its just, a complicated legal question that no one touched yet. And, its going to be litigated. Can i just say for the record . When you listen to that phone call asking for those 11,780 votes. It sounds an awful lot like mafia case. Yeah. And that is for a jury, a kind of Crystal Clear piece of evidence. Ive represented gangsters, theyre a lot more vague than that. [laughter] but even if its not mafioso talk or whatever, that is not a president of the united states. It is a candidate for office, it is an individual who is running for office. Now, this question of moving it to federal Court Requires shim to be acting in his capacity as president. Now, where the president ends and the man begins, the candidate begins, and the president ends, is blurry, in a court is gonna have to sort that out. By just something its entirely cut and blot dry jamie, i want to give you a moment here for Rudy Giuliani, who was all over this indictment as well. He is being charged in a rico statute, which he basically pioneered. And then on top of that, we hear today that he is basically broke. These legal fees are piling up. What has happened to the man once known as americas mayor . He also said today that he hasnt changed, that he is still the same man. I interviewed rudy, as we called him when he was mayor, many times. If rudy has not changed in all these years, we didnt know him very well back then. Look, i have several Close Friends who worked with him, he is a different person today. And this is, he was a character when he was mayor, and he was a tough guy. And he liked to litigate, so he was, he was always an interesting person. But not the person were seeing today, and i think this is tragic, actually. One of the most unforgettable moments of the saga is that Press Conference at the rnc, with giuliani, with sweat dripping down his face. I mean it was just such a moment. And actually interestingly enough, its in the indictment in georgia, part of the evidence against him in this case. 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Now, trumps biggest critics of the 2024 primary race offered mixed reactions today. I want to bring in one of the former president s most outspoken critics himself, the New Hampshire governor, chris new. So, governor sununu, thank you for being here. What was your reaction when you looked at, i dont know if youve read all 98 pages, this indictment coming out of georgias Fulton County . Well, ill disagree with you on one thing. I dont think a stunning. I think we all knew it was stunning. Even the former president said, you know, fourth indictment would only help. And so, from a political standpoint, i dont think many folks on the republican side are shocked by this. I dont think abuses numbers anymore. And he kind of has a lot of that building sympathy vote there. But his point, it helps some, because this is all the medias talking about. As long as you guys, not you, cnn, the media, and understandably so, from eight pm to 11 pm every night saying his name 100 times and not really giving any air time to these other candidates, thats exactly what the former president wants, because he was want to have to talk about issues, he doesnt want to talk about Going Forward and Healing America and all these things for the rest of america wants to see. He wants to relitigate the past, and were kind of letting him do that, which is unfortunate. I think changes as we hit the debates. I hear what youre, saying but i think the question was actually more about the conduct alleged in the indictment. If you look at the sheer number of people charged in the georgia case, you are talking about 18 trump allies, including trump himself, and theyre accused of racketeering, and at least one related crime. Theres a lot of conduct alleged here, including trying to tamper with Voting Machines and actual voting information. What is your take on the actual information contained this document . So, a couple of things. Im not a lawyer, but i will say, this is incredibly similar to the federal indictment, right, that jack smith is doing out of doj. Other than as you brought up, there is now 18 people involved. Thats a much bigger swath of individuals. And something that i think republicans need to take note of, this is a grand jury in a very conservative state that said this guy needs to be indicted. This isnt just the department of justice in the idea that its all politicized. This is the grand jury in georgia, of all states. Which again, kind of doubled down on the idea that this guy cant win in november. We might give him the nomination, i hope we dont. But this Guy Cannot Win in a state like georgia. He cannot win in a state like arizona or New Hampshire, or the swing states that you absolutely have to have. And last time i checked, you cant govern if you dont win. This is going to be another sub story for donald trump. And hes gonna crush the republican ticket going down. So, im very hopeful still that theyre owns as a whole make us our choice and find that one or two candidates to go against him by the time i want to hunter hit. Trump is the nominee, what Republican Voters do, in your opinion . I mean, for indictments in, he will probably be an at least one dose trials. What should they do . What will you do if hes the nominee . Well, look, that reality wouldnt come to bear. If it did, and i dont think it will, it wont come to bear until about a year for now. So, the whole political dynamic is going to change. Is joe biden even on the taken by . Then what have the democrats done by then . What are they alternatives by land . There will be all these other what ifs, what if this, what if. And then each voters would have to decide. Thats actually the beauty of our system. We might completely disagree with voters, even sometimes in our own party. But its their choice to make. And its americas choice to make. One of the candidates in the race, ron desantis, is saying that this indictment is helping trump. And he may be right. If you look at some of the polling, a Pullen Marts Show that trump and desantis were just about four points away. And more recently in the new york times, a cnn poll found that trump had a massive lead over desantis. Its only grown. But i wonder, do you think thats true, that the indictments are the reason that hes winning . Or is the failure of candidates like desantis and others to of course, of course. Or is it the failure of other candidates to launch a Strong Campaign against him . Well, look, i think, i think theres too many candidates in the race. I think most people would agree. I think its diluted message. I think a lot of them have a hard time, not just they spend time defending themselves and policy, i think theyre missing about their. They need to show leadership, inspiration, something people can galvanize and get excited about, right. They have our interest, not to have to get us excited as republicans in the party. But there is no doubt that these four indictments have definitely buil