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staff, mark meadows, and his post-election attorney, rudy giuliani. they are accused of engaging in a conspiracy to commit crimes intended to reverse trump's loss in georgia in 2020. the 98-page indictment lists 13 state charges against trump himself including racketeering as well as false statements. prosecutors claim trump and his co-defendants, quote, refused to accept that trump lost and knowingly and willfully joined a conspiracy to unlawfully change the outcome of the election. district attorney fani willis wants the trial to start within six months. and unlike in federal court that trial could be televised. let's begin at the courthouse in atlanta with cnn's sara murray. and sara, this is a much more sprawling case both in terms of the number of defendants but also the nature and scope of the charges than what we saw in the special counsel's case. help lay it out for us. >> reporter: yeah, i think that's absolutely right. in these other federal cases we have seen donald trump largely charged alone or he's charged alongside co-defendants in the mar-a-lago case who are lower-level folks working along with him. what the fulton county district attorneys lays out in this sweeping indictment is essentially this whole parade of individuals from people who were in donald trump's inner circle, people like rudy giuliani, his former attorney, like his former white house chief of staff mark meadows, down to people locally here in georgia, and alleges that these people were all working together with the aim of trying to keep donald trump in power illegally. and as you pointed out, donald trump faces 13 charges in this case, but all 19 defendants face this very serious racketeering charge in this case. i think what we saw throughout the scope and the length of this indictment was a district attorney's office that wanted to be very clear that they were offering a detailed accounting of why they felt this was a compelling racketeering case. we see act after act after act listed in this indictment as in furtherance of the conspiracy, some of which happened in georgia and some of which did not because they wanted to show that this is a wide net that trump and his allies cast in their efforts to try to overturn the election results and keep trump in power, jim. >> and using rico statutes, which are something that have often been used and by the way by rudy giuliani himself to target organized crime. the defendants have until august 25th, next friday, to surrender to turn themselves in. we should add the caveat that doesn't mean they're going to stay. they'll turn themselves in for that day and likely leave, perhaps under bond. can you explain what that will entail exactly, and has anyone shown up yet? >> reporter: well, we're not aware of anyone who's turned themselves in yet. but this is something that is sort of a multistep process. the attorneys can be in touch with the prosecutor's office before they actually show up and surrender if they want to try to negotiate terms ahead of time, terms of release, terms of bond if that is applicable. and then normally for defendants in this jurisdiction they would show up at the fulton county jail and they would be processed there, which would include of course getting their fingerprints taken, getting a mugshot taken, and then at some point after that we do expect these defendants will be appearing in court. that will be their initial appearance, their arraignment. that doesn't necessarily happen the same time that they surrender, the way that we've seen in these federal cases. >> a presidential mug shot. sara murray outside the court there in fulton county, thanks so much. jessica. the d.a. in the georgia case wants a trial within six months. special counsel jack smith wants the federal election trial to start january. and further highlighting the competing court dockets at play here, today a different trump co-defendant was arraigned in a different case. that's the classified documents indictment in florida. cnn senior crime and justice correspondent katelyn polantz is here. katelyn, great to see you. you have all of these parallel timelines now all starting to come together and coalesce. how does it get sorted out? what takes precedence? >> well, first of all, they can't all happen at the same time. trump's a criminal defendant. very likely he would be expected to sit there in person in the court where he's being tried in front of a jury. so they are going to have to work things out. but what happens with a precedent is that whenever there is a situation like this it's up to the judges. what the judges say, that goes. and so right now the judges are putting some things on the calendar. you have march as the manhattan d.a.'s case. you have may as the case set in the mar-a-lago federal documents trial. you have potentially an early trial set in this federal case depending what judge chutkan wants to do. and so the judges will set time on the calendar. and once it's entered it's entered and it's going to be up to the parties to either tell them we have a problem, we need to move things, or the judges could ask. and so we might start seeing some of these things being worked out as soon as this month when judge chutkan, the judge over this federal case this year, she is having a hearing in the end of this month to basically try and set a trial date. the justice department wants it to be in december, january, but we'll see. >> and let us all remember that this is all happening concurrent with a 2024 presidential election and a primary calendar that's going to play out through all of these court dates as well. so let's skip ahead a few jumps here, and i acknowledge that in this question. but if trump were and win and he were to become president again, the federal cases i guess could go away. he could find a way around them. but it's different with the state case in georgia. >> yeah-i don't -- it boggles the mind to think about the number of things that could happen between now and a trump presidency with these cases, a lot of things could happen in court in a very short amount of time. but assuming that trump were to become president, say, and were to get rid of the federal case or tell the justice department he wants to dismiss them or pardon himself if he's already convicted, then you have the state case in georgia. say, they were going to go to trial, maybe they don't have the trial by then or maybe they are trying to do things once he's in the presidency. actually, there has been situations in the past where there are lawsuits and other things that arise during a presidency and a president has a lot of ability to argue i'm the president, that's a very demanding job, that's an important job and you can't take time out to deal with some other things. so it's very likely this is another thing that could be tested in court. but it's a big question of how does this all work out? we just don't know. >> so many tests on the justice system right now. katelyn polantz, thanks so much for that reporting. excellent as always. jim? >> jessica, thanks so much. let's take a closer look now at the staggering number of charges former president trump is now facing across four criminal cases. the total is 91. how does that break down? 34 in the new york state hush money case. this relates to hush money paid to the adult film star stormy daniels. 40 in the classified documents case. four in the special counsel election subversion case. and now 13 in the georgia case. so you can understand it all we brought in cnn legal analyst former federal prosecutor elliot williams to help us find some patterns in here and understand all these things. let's begin if we can on the hush money case because that number, 34, it's a big number. but we should note each of those -- or at least many of those charges relate to a false document. the number's a little bit inflated. >> it's one of those things where every time you sign a faulty document you could be charged with it. but important thing to note here is even if convicted the former president is not likely to face any prison time here. he doesn't have a criminal history. non-violent offender. probably not going to jail. may get probation in this one. >> that's the new york case which was the first one to be charged. let's go to the class fooild documents case regarding the mishandling of classified information, all those pictures you saw of documents held in bathrooms and conference rooms and so on there. 40 charges. tell us the seriousness of these. >> yeah, the most serious single charge in the case carries a 20-year maximum sentence, jim. now, look, you can sometimes read these things where they say president trump face z 300 years in prison. that's not happening because that would require stacking every single thing he's charged -- >> maximum for each charge. >> that's just a reflection of the fact that obstruction of justice does carry a 20-year sentence. nobody gets that sentence. the federal sentencing guidelines would probably mean he'd get something far less than that. >> but the guidelines do -- at least for normal people involve some jail time. >> it's years, not months in all likelihood for a 20-year max sentence. >> okay. number three in order here, this is the election subversion case by the special counsel. these are federal charges, to be distinguished from the state charges we just saw from fani willis in georgia. four here. tell us the seriousness and how they stack up. >> and it's really important to note the difference, jim, as you said, between federal and state charges. the state of georgia and the state of new york are prosecuting the former president, but the federal government is prosecuting him for mar-a-lago and the 2020 subversion. so this is obstruction of an official proceeding, conspiracy to defraud the united states, which again one of those carries that 20-year maximum sentence. it could be a lot of time. >> and just as you note there, conspiracy to defraud. the special counsel in his version of going after the president for his attempts to overturn the election focused on that legal line of attack. when we come to georgia, you have 13 charges against the former president. took a different legal tack here involving rico. explain to folks at home what that means and how she plans to make that -- >> sure. when you think of rico you think of the movie "goodfellas" and organized crime and mobsters. certainly rico can be used to prosecute folks like that. but what it is targeted after is criminal enterprises. when people act as a group and carry out criminal acts sort of in succession. and here that's the allegation, that that happened in the state of georgia. now, it can carry a five-year mandatory minimum sentence. judges in georgia have a little latitude to go below that. >> understood. if you can briefly before i get to pardon, which is an important distinction here, if you were to look at all these charges as a lawyer and a former prosecutor yourself, all these cases, which is the most serious, the most threatening? >> anything with a 20-year maximum sentence as the two federal ones do is a big deal. mandatory mimsndatory minimums . he might be facing mandatory minimums in georgia. >> also in a state case the president cannot pardon nor can the governor in georgia pardon someone if convicted. >> pardon me. so under the federal system the president of the united states can pardon people of federal crimes. that means wipe them off their records altogether. or expunge their sentence in some way. in the states the abc loougs would have to come from the state. either the government as in the case of new york or state pardon board which would be the case in georgia. needless to say no matter who's president no, matter who it is democrat, republican, they can't touch either of those two, new york state hush money case or georgia meddling. >> listen, the various scenarios going into 2024 are remarkable. we're going to be covering them. elliot williams, thanks for helping break it down. jessica, back to you. >> just ahead, trump's legal battles are adding up and the campaign calendar is filling up. how the former president is fighting for votes on the trail while he juggles upcoming trials. and what other gop contenders are saying about all of it. yoyou're in my shot! ...be sure t to get my good side! get two pairs of celebrity frames f for $89.95 for a limited time at america's best. book an exam today. with 3 30 grams of protein. those who tried me felt more energy in just two weeks! uuuhhhh... here, i'll take that! wooo! ensu max protein, 30 grams of protein, 1 gram of sugar. powered by protein max challenge. ♪ ♪ your record label is taking off. but so is your sound engineer. you need to hire. i need indeed. indeed you do. indeed instant match instantly delivers quality candidates matching your job description. visit indeed.com/hire that's why the new titan turkey is proferred by this football pro. and proferred by this football pro who actually uses her feet. and if we profer it, we know you'll prefer it too. i use my feet. have you seen me scramble? 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"including the former president of the united states, me, by an out of control and very corrupt district attorney." the post went on to read why didn't they indict 2.5 years ago? because they wanted to do it right in the middle of my political campaign. jessica, it's unclear how the judge will ultimately in this case rule on some of his social media activities. we know that in 2020 in the federal case regarding the 2020 election and donald trump's attempts to overturn the results there that the judge has posted some restrictions on his social media activity. but i'm told from my conversations with donald trump's advisers that he has no plans to cease posting, he views truth social and social media as his most direct way of communicating with voters and particularly his base and that he thinks it's the best way to defend himself. the problems that we're seeing arise in the federal case, the special counsel's case with his social media activity could also potentially be a problem in this case as well. >> it doesn't sound like he's going to stop that anytime soon. all right. alayna treene for us, thanks so much. jim? >> despite donald trump's fourth indictment in just over four months many top republicans are still lining up behind the former president and defending him, though there are some notable exceptions. cnn's lauren fox is live on capitol hill. lauren, as you know, for instance, the house speaker, kevin mccarthy, in the immediate aftermath of january 6th said donald trump bears responsibility. he has now changed his tune. is that a consistent reaction on the hill in the last 24 hours? >> reporter: yeah, you've seen this over and over again in the previous indictments as well, that house republicans are very swift to come out and support former president donald trump. and there was no exception last night. mere moments after this almost 100-page indictment came down and it was released, you saw so many house republicans take to twitter including the house speaker kevin mccarthy, who said this was a radical d.a. in georgia who is following biden's lead by attacking president trump and using it to fund-raise her political career. "americans see through this desperate sham." you also heard from jim jordan, the chairman of the house judiciary committee, who just said, "this is a witch hunt," in all caps, "against president trump. he did nothing wrong." we see that echoed by the rank and file up on capitol hill. i just spoke with morgan griffith, who was on capitol hill briefly opening the house chamber for a pro forma session. and he said he hasn't even read the indictment, jim, because he just views this as more of the same, a kind of pile-on. he said that he might get to it eventually, he might read through it. but when i pushed him on whether or not he thought that joe biden actually won the state of georgia, he said he didn't really even know. and i think that just speaks to the reality of so many house republicans and rank-and-file members as well as their base voters, that they view this moment as really just an us against them fight with democrats. they are not looking into the ni nitty-gritty details as we heard from morgan griffith. >> we should note that the republican governor of georgia, brian kemp, just a short time ago said in no uncertain terms the election in georgia in 2020 was not stolen. there are some republicans out there speaking the truth. lauren fox on capitol hill, thanks so much. jessica. >> i want to talk more about all of this now with cnn political commentator s.e. cupp. s.e., it's great to see you. thanks for joining us this afternoon. we know that trump is now facing 91 charges in four criminal cases over the course of four months, for everyone following along at home. yet we know that the bulk of the 2024 gop candidates really are not going after him on this at all and in fact the ones who are polling closest to him have really taken his side in all of this. what do you make of that, and is that the right move politically and is it the right move for the republican party generally? >> well, i did a quick search on twitter just before i came on. and you're right, it's mostly been crickets. nothing from ron desantis. nothing from nikki haley. nothing from mike pence. tim scott apparently was giving an interview and he called this a weaponization of the legal system. so he's defending donald trump. asa hutchinson put out a statement critical of -- condemning trump for these indictments. but yeah, i mean, this feels like all of these campaigns are pretty much vanity projects. i don't think any of these people really want to win. because if you really wanted to become the president and you're polling at least 30 points behind the top guy, that's if you're doing well, you would definitely go out and say to voters, hey, i get it, you like donald trump, i like donald trump, but donald trump is most likely going to be facing prison t time. that's not a great scenario for voters, for the country, for the republican party, let's just be realistic here. none of them are really willing to do that basic thing in any kind of fully frontal way. so that leads me to believe they don't actually want to win, they want to sell books, maybe up their name i.d., raise money. but not actually -- not actually take on the guy that is currently beating them all. >> yeah, you're right. it's being that explicit about saying he could face prison time. we've seen desantis talk about it in interviews or pence talking about him putting himself over the constitution. but in those direct terms that you're talking about it's rare. now, one person that has gone after the former president pretty aggressively is former new jersey governor chris christie. i want to listen to a clip of him reacting to this latest indictment. then i'll come back to you. >> i think this was unnecessary, as did donald trump. now, remember, as to the other defendants, jack smith chose not to charge them. so i would have less of a problem with this if she decided okay, i'm not going to charge donald trump here because he's been charged for essentially this conduct by jack smith. but giuliani and meadows and others have not been charged at the federal level. that would be a more defensible indictment, i think. >> s.e., what do you make of that? because he has been so aggressive about criticizing the former president. it is a bit of a departure from what we've heard from him. >> yeah, i think chris christie the presidential candidate briefly returned to chris christie the attorney and he fell into a legal argument. and he's, you know, able to make that argument. it's a decent argument. but he's running for president. and he has been really willing to take on donald trump, unlike most of the others. it's kind of his thing, right? his campaign is built around taking on donald trump. this was another opportunity. despite his legal parsing to say this person could go to prison, between the mandatory minimums, the no state pardons, the four indictments, the 90-plus charges, this person could be going to prison. that's all you have to say. it doesn't put you on either side of donald trump. it's just honest and obvious. and i don't -- i don't get why this isn't like the mantra of every single person running against donald trump. >> and one piece of all of this is if you look at the polling both nationally and in these early states we all know that donald trump continues to lead by double digits, that he's remained pretty consistent over the last several months, over the last several indictments. tbd on if that changes moving forward. but the fact that he as of now has been able to successfully convince the republican base and his key supporters that all of this is politically motivated, that this is a weaponization of the doj, that he gets this cover from people like tim scott saying a similar thing and other candidates, ron desantis as well, so many of them. what do you think about that, that so many american people genuinely believe this is all for politics? >> well, keep in mind this is the republican primary and the base is with donald trump, there's no doubt about it. but the base is shrinking. and so i think the vast majority of americans do not believe that donald trump is a victim in all of this and think there's probably something to these indictments. but listen, this is vintage donald trump. playing the victim, saying he's got definitive proof that he's going to reveal on monday that he's really the victim in all of this, proof he's held on to i guess for three years. this is what he's done. and it convinces just enough people, his base, to believe these lies and believe that he is indeed the victim instead of at the center of all of this corruption and abuse. >> all right. well, as always, great to see you. thanks so much for your thoughts. we appreciate it. s.e. cupp, great to see you. >> sure. >> jim? dead voters, stuffed ballot boxes, just some of the debunked claims donald trump has used to try to overturn his defeat in georgia, cast doubt on it. ahead we're going to fact-check some of those claims as well as their impact on the gop. plus the judge assigned to preside over the former president's fourth criminal case of the year. what we're learning about scott mcafee, just ahead. freedom for kids. hungry? 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>> this stuff is honestly so bananas i'm hesitant to discuss it on television. >> right. >> let me take people through it because it's baseless, no evidence. it's a complete distortion. so there is a rapper named ysl mondo who is part of a hip-hop collective that fani willis is also prosecuting members of alleging that their hip-hop group is also a criminal street gang. now, ysl mondo did an interview with "rolling stone" magazine in japan saying hey, fun fact, when fani willis was a defense lawyer in 2019 she actually represented me and we had a cool relationship. she was a great lawyer. he said we had like auntie to nephew, mother to son type talks and i'm surprised that she's now basically prosecuting my buddies. well, the trump campaign made an tack ad out of that saying that fani willis concealed a relationship with a member of a gang she was prosecuting, even show she didn't. she told "rolling stone" yeah, i used to represent the guy when i was a defense lawyer. somehow trump took that further and took hiding a relationship to mean she was having an affair, some sort of illicit romantic sexual relationship with a gang member she was prosecuting. that is completely out of thin air no basis for it whatsoever. but he said it in a speech, then said it again on social media. >> and you've said it, i'll say it, completely untrue. but thank you so much for going through all of that step by step. the truth obviously so important here. daniel dale, thanks so much. >> thank you. >> jim? >> let's speak now to cnn political commentator, former january 6th select committee member, former republican congressman adam kinzinger. thanks so much for taking the time. >> glad to be with you. >> you speak to republican voters. you've won some elections yourself. trump's support among gop primary voters has withstood the charges to date. now he'll be tried, one of the trials at least might be televised in georgia. he might be convicted. does that soften his support over time, or solidify it? >> yeah, look, jim, i think over time. so once these crimes are done, once people see all the evidence, i hold out hope that there's going to be like a moment of awakening and saying look, what have we done. right now what you have is look, to support donald trump you have to like give a little piece of your soul because you say, well, in 2016 it was i don't like the guy but the supreme court's so important. in 2020 it was i don't like joe biden, so i'll support donald trump. and then you keep having to invest more and more. it's like the sunken cost fallacy. in vietnam there was i appoint at which we had lost 10,000 troops and nobody wanted to leave because we'd already invested 10,000 troops' lives in vietnam, so we have to say. and that's kind of i think what's happening to a lot of people. to then turn your support against trump and admit that he's unfit for office, you have to take inventory of the fact that you supported him for so long when he was unfit for office. but i think at the moment all this evidence is laid out in court. it may not be directly as a result of that, but i think that's the beginning of the end of this base of support for him. but it may take some time. >> so let me ask you this because you know of the folks running against trump now for the nomination it's only a minority that have directly taken him on for his actions on january 6th, not to dismiss this as a purely partisan show. is that purely a gop primary strategy? of course assuming anybody but trump wins the nomination. because when you're trying to make your case to independent voters they believe these are serious charges. >> yeah, it'll be -- if any of these people besides donald trump happens to win the election, win the primary, yeah, they're going to be trying to run to the middle a little bit. but the base is so rabidly pro trump that they can't do it. and what amazes me, jim, is like if you're going to run for president and the front-runner is donald trump you literally have two choices. you either have to take him on -- and boy, you don't have to look for a lot of issues. the guy broke the law a bunch and he's now out on bail three different times, now soon to be a fourth. that's a pretty good thing to run against him on. so you either have to do that or just drop out and endorse him. because he's way ahead anyway. i don't understand how these folks are scared to speak out against him. it's fine. if you're scared of doing it or you don't want to do it, i get it. then drop out of the race because it doesn't make sense for you to be there right now. chris christie's spoken loudly. will hurd. asa hutchinson. and mike pence to an extent. i want to see people like tim scott, who knows better, start to really speak out too. >> the folks who've tried to walk that -- ride the fence it hasn't worked out particularly well for them at least in polling so far. we do have a republican debate coming up in the midst of all this. you have two folks on stage to this point who've qualified who to some degree have been able to criticize the president, been willing to, pence and christie. do you expect that debate to be centered around that interaction there? because you can imagine how the audience might respond to pence or christie going after the current favorite for the nomination. >> yeah, i think the debate has to be at least with those two -- i don't know if mike pence will be aggressive because he's kind of walked the line a little bit. he's spoken out a little more recently. i mean, he could have been by the way the leader of this whole thing if he'd have just stuck with that from january 7th. but chris christie will be. he's realizing that he's not playing to the crowd that's there on the debate stage, he's talking to the voters that are actually watching. and there is no way -- i mean, he's in second place now in new hampshire. so this is going to be all about donald trump. it will be interesting, though, to watch the second tier of folks, whether it's ramaswamy and some others do their best to try to really suck up to donald trump because i think some of them are running for vice president or running for a cabinet position and not actually for the presidency. and it's going to be -- i think after this debate there will be a lot of clarity on who really wants to be president and who just wants a position in the cabinet. >> well, one final question. donald trump has certainly proven at least with gop voters to be teflon on a whole range of issues going from "access hollywood" right up to his fourth indictment last night. as a politician is this trump specific in your view, or has he fundamentally changed the survivability of, well, a whole host of personal, professional, political crimes and alleged crimes? >> look, i think he has moved the window a little bit so that more people can get away with more things. there's no doubt about it. i mean, and that's a sad thing in our government. i think he is uniquely positioned to get away with almost everything in certain people's minds. i'm not sure if it's an attitude issue, if it's just how long that's been going on. but he can't run away from justice. and i think that's the key. he's going to be loud about it and say it's not justice. it is justice. look at eric hershmann's comment to job eastman shortly after january 6th or leading up to january 6th. he said hey, john, my recommendation to you is to get a good blanking lawyer because you're going to need it. they knew he was violating the law far before we even knew it on the january 6th committee. those are hardcore republicans saying that. >> adam kinzinger, thanks so much, as always. >> you bet. >> jessica. what do former president trump and cardi b. have in common? we're going to tell you about that next. and the former nfl player who inspired the hit film "the blind side" says a key part of the movie was based on a lie and he was bilked out of millions of dollars. what he says is the true story. that's ahead. safelite came right to us, and we could see exactctly when they'd arrive with a replacementnt we could trust. that's service the way we want it. >> singers: ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace. . ♪ was also the first time you heard of a town named dinosaur, colorado. we just got an order from dinosaur, colorado. start an easy to build, powerful website for free with a partner that always puts you first. start for free at godaddy.com (♪) rsv can be a dangerous virus... 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"the racist architect of fraudulent trump university criticizing lebron. potus pathetic once again." so jessica, he has really criticized the former president. but at the same time when he was named to be one of trump's attorneys down in georgia he talked to the "new york times" in 2022 and he said that "i represent everybody," and he put it this way. he said, "we have our personal lives and we have our personal politics and i don't apologize for my personal politics." so he will be a staunch defender of the former president once we get to all of the hearings and legal wranglings and eventual trial in georgia. he released this part of the statement from the entire legal team last night saying "the events that have unfolded today have been shocking and absurd." he continued to say, "we look forward to a detailed review of this indictment, which is undoubtably just as flawed and unconstitutional as this entire process has been." he will be a staunch defender of the former president. >> there's so much more to come in all of this. we're just really at the beginning. jessica schneider for us. thanks so much. jim? blindsided. the former nfl player whose life story turned into that hit movie "the blind side" says a key part of the whole story was a lie. we'll have more on "cnn news central." d. you could save $700 dollars just by switchching. ooooh, let me put a reminder on my p phone. on the top of the pile! oh. ononly pay for what you need. ♪ libertyty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ subway refreshed everything. and now, they're slicing their meats fresh. that's why this pro proffers the new grand slam ham. so does this pro. i just love a grand slam... ham. we know you'll proffert too. i knew he'd love that sandwich. they offer two pairs and a free, quality eye exam starting at just $79.95. i can see from your expression that you find that shocking. ...aaaaaaaand, you don't have ears. book an exam today at americasbest.com. our ears connect us to the moments that matter. give them the nutrients they need with lipo. it's formulated with ingredients clinically shown to protect your ears from dizziness, ear ringing, and even hearing loss. never miss a moment with lipo flavonoid. you founded your kayak company because you love the ocean- not spreadsheets. you need to hire. i need indeed. indeed you do. indeed instant match instantly delivers quality candidates matching your job description. visit indeed.com/hire okay everyone, our mission is complete balanced nutrition. together we provide nutrients to support immune, muscle, bone, and heart health. yaaay! woo hoo! ensure with 25 vitamins and minerals and ensure complete with 30 grams of protein. ♪ i realized that jade was overweight. i wish i would have introduced the fresh food a lot sooner. after farmer's dog, she's a much healthier weight. she's a lot more active. and she's able to join us on our adventures. get started at betterforthem.com that's why comcast business de is launching theal. mobile made free event. with our business internet, new and existing customers can get one year of unlimited mobile for free. it's our best internet. powered by the next generation 10g network and with 99.9% reliability. plus one line of free mobile for an entire year. it's the mobile made free event-happening now. get started for just $49.99 a month. plus, ask how to get one free line of unlimited mobile. comcast business, powering possibilities. it was one of the biggest movies of 2009. you may remember it. 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staff, mark meadows, and his post-election attorney, rudy giuliani. they are accused of engaging in a conspiracy to commit crimes intended to reverse trump's loss in georgia in 2020. the 98-page indictment lists 13 state charges against trump himself including racketeering as well as false statements. prosecutors claim trump and his co-defendants, quote, refused to accept that trump lost and knowingly and willfully joined a conspiracy to unlawfully change the outcome of the election. district attorney fani willis wants the trial to start within six months. and unlike in federal court that trial could be televised. let's begin at the courthouse in atlanta with cnn's sara murray. and sara, this is a much more sprawling case both in terms of the number of defendants but also the nature and scope of the charges than what we saw in the special counsel's case. help lay it out for us. >> reporter: yeah, i think that's absolutely right. in these other federal cases we have seen donald trump largely charged alone or he's charged alongside co-defendants in the mar-a-lago case who are lower-level folks working along with him. what the fulton county district attorneys lays out in this sweeping indictment is essentially this whole parade of individuals from people who were in donald trump's inner circle, people like rudy giuliani, his former attorney, like his former white house chief of staff mark meadows, down to people locally here in georgia, and alleges that these people were all working together with the aim of trying to keep donald trump in power illegally. and as you pointed out, donald trump faces 13 charges in this case, but all 19 defendants face this very serious racketeering charge in this case. i think what we saw throughout the scope and the length of this indictment was a district attorney's office that wanted to be very clear that they were offering a detailed accounting of why they felt this was a compelling racketeering case. we see act after act after act listed in this indictment as in furtherance of the conspiracy, some of which happened in georgia and some of which did not because they wanted to show that this is a wide net that trump and his allies cast in their efforts to try to overturn the election results and keep trump in power, jim. >> and using rico statutes, which are something that have often been used and by the way by rudy giuliani himself to target organized crime. the defendants have until august 25th, next friday, to surrender to turn themselves in. we should add the caveat that doesn't mean they're going to stay. they'll turn themselves in for that day and likely leave, perhaps under bond. can you explain what that will entail exactly, and has anyone shown up yet? >> reporter: well, we're not aware of anyone who's turned themselves in yet. but this is something that is sort of a multistep process. the attorneys can be in touch with the prosecutor's office before they actually show up and surrender if they want to try to negotiate terms ahead of time, terms of release, terms of bond if that is applicable. and then normally for defendants in this jurisdiction they would show up at the fulton county jail and they would be processed there, which would include of course getting their fingerprints taken, getting a mugshot taken, and then at some point after that we do expect these defendants will be appearing in court. that will be their initial appearance, their arraignment. that doesn't necessarily happen the same time that they surrender, the way that we've seen in these federal cases. >> a presidential mug shot. sara murray outside the court there in fulton county, thanks so much. jessica. the d.a. in the georgia case wants a trial within six months. special counsel jack smith wants the federal election trial to start january. and further highlighting the competing court dockets at play here, today a different trump co-defendant was arraigned in a different case. that's the classified documents indictment in florida. cnn senior crime and justice correspondent katelyn polantz is here. katelyn, great to see you. you have all of these parallel timelines now all starting to come together and coalesce. how does it get sorted out? what takes precedence? >> well, first of all, they can't all happen at the same time. trump's a criminal defendant. very likely he would be expected to sit there in person in the court where he's being tried in front of a jury. so they are going to have to work things out. but what happens with a precedent is that whenever there is a situation like this it's up to the judges. what the judges say, that goes. and so right now the judges are putting some things on the calendar. you have march as the manhattan d.a.'s case. you have may as the case set in the mar-a-lago federal documents trial. you have potentially an early trial set in this federal case depending what judge chutkan wants to do. and so the judges will set time on the calendar. and once it's entered it's entered and it's going to be up to the parties to either tell them we have a problem, we need to move things, or the judges could ask. and so we might start seeing some of these things being worked out as soon as this month when judge chutkan, the judge over this federal case this year, she is having a hearing in the end of this month to basically try and set a trial date. the justice department wants it to be in december, january, but we'll see. >> and let us all remember that this is all happening concurrent with a 2024 presidential election and a primary calendar that's going to play out through all of these court dates as well. so let's skip ahead a few jumps here, and i acknowledge that in this question. but if trump were and win and he were to become president again, the federal cases i guess could go away. he could find a way around them. but it's different with the state case in georgia. >> yeah-i don't -- it boggles the mind to think about the number of things that could happen between now and a trump presidency with these cases, a lot of things could happen in court in a very short amount of time. but assuming that trump were to become president, say, and were to get rid of the federal case or tell the justice department he wants to dismiss them or pardon himself if he's already convicted, then you have the state case in georgia. say, they were going to go to trial, maybe they don't have the trial by then or maybe they are trying to do things once he's in the presidency. actually, there has been situations in the past where there are lawsuits and other things that arise during a presidency and a president has a lot of ability to argue i'm the president, that's a very demanding job, that's an important job and you can't take time out to deal with some other things. so it's very likely this is another thing that could be tested in court. but it's a big question of how does this all work out? we just don't know. >> so many tests on the justice system right now. katelyn polantz, thanks so much for that reporting. excellent as always. jim? >> jessica, thanks so much. let's take a closer look now at the staggering number of charges former president trump is now facing across four criminal cases. the total is 91. how does that break down? 34 in the new york state hush money case. this relates to hush money paid to the adult film star stormy daniels. 40 in the classified documents case. four in the special counsel election subversion case. and now 13 in the georgia case. so you can understand it all we brought in cnn legal analyst former federal prosecutor elliot williams to help us find some patterns in here and understand all these things. let's begin if we can on the hush money case because that number, 34, it's a big number. but we should note each of those -- or at least many of those charges relate to a false document. the number's a little bit inflated. >> it's one of those things where every time you sign a faulty document you could be charged with it. but important thing to note here is even if convicted the former president is not likely to face any prison time here. he doesn't have a criminal history. non-violent offender. probably not going to jail. may get probation in this one. >> that's the new york case which was the first one to be charged. let's go to the class fooild documents case regarding the mishandling of classified information, all those pictures you saw of documents held in bathrooms and conference rooms and so on there. 40 charges. tell us the seriousness of these. >> yeah, the most serious single charge in the case carries a 20-year maximum sentence, jim. now, look, you can sometimes read these things where they say president trump face z 300 years in prison. that's not happening because that would require stacking every single thing he's charged -- >> maximum for each charge. >> that's just a reflection of the fact that obstruction of justice does carry a 20-year sentence. nobody gets that sentence. the federal sentencing guidelines would probably mean he'd get something far less than that. >> but the guidelines do -- at least for normal people involve some jail time. >> it's years, not months in all likelihood for a 20-year max sentence. >> okay. number three in order here, this is the election subversion case by the special counsel. these are federal charges, to be distinguished from the state charges we just saw from fani willis in georgia. four here. tell us the seriousness and how they stack up. >> and it's really important to note the difference, jim, as you said, between federal and state charges. the state of georgia and the state of new york are prosecuting the former president, but the federal government is prosecuting him for mar-a-lago and the 2020 subversion. so this is obstruction of an official proceeding, conspiracy to defraud the united states, which again one of those carries that 20-year maximum sentence. it could be a lot of time. >> and just as you note there, conspiracy to defraud. the special counsel in his version of going after the president for his attempts to overturn the election focused on that legal line of attack. when we come to georgia, you have 13 charges against the former president. took a different legal tack here involving rico. explain to folks at home what that means and how she plans to make that -- >> sure. when you think of rico you think of the movie "goodfellas" and organized crime and mobsters. certainly rico can be used to prosecute folks like that. but what it is targeted after is criminal enterprises. when people act as a group and carry out criminal acts sort of in succession. and here that's the allegation, that that happened in the state of georgia. now, it can carry a five-year mandatory minimum sentence. judges in georgia have a little latitude to go below that. >> understood. if you can briefly before i get to pardon, which is an important distinction here, if you were to look at all these charges as a lawyer and a former prosecutor yourself, all these cases, which is the most serious, the most threatening? >> anything with a 20-year maximum sentence as the two federal ones do is a big deal. mandatory mimsndatory minimums . he might be facing mandatory minimums in georgia. >> also in a state case the president cannot pardon nor can the governor in georgia pardon someone if convicted. >> pardon me. so under the federal system the president of the united states can pardon people of federal crimes. that means wipe them off their records altogether. or expunge their sentence in some way. in the states the abc loougs would have to come from the state. either the government as in the case of new york or state pardon board which would be the case in georgia. needless to say no matter who's president no, matter who it is democrat, republican, they can't touch either of those two, new york state hush money case or georgia meddling. >> listen, the various scenarios going into 2024 are remarkable. we're going to be covering them. elliot williams, thanks for helping break it down. jessica, back to you. >> just ahead, trump's legal battles are adding up and the campaign calendar is filling up. how the former president is fighting for votes on the trail while he juggles upcoming trials. and what other gop contenders are saying about all of it. yoyou're in my shot! ...be sure t to get my good side! get two pairs of celebrity frames f for $89.95 for a limited time at america's best. book an exam today. with 3 30 grams of protein. those who tried me felt more energy in just two weeks! uuuhhhh... here, i'll take that! wooo! ensu max protein, 30 grams of protein, 1 gram of sugar. powered by protein max challenge. ♪ ♪ your record label is taking off. but so is your sound engineer. you need to hire. i need indeed. indeed you do. indeed instant match instantly delivers quality candidates matching your job description. visit indeed.com/hire that's why the new titan turkey is proferred by this football pro. and proferred by this football pro who actually uses her feet. and if we profer it, we know you'll prefer it too. i use my feet. have you seen me scramble? 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"including the former president of the united states, me, by an out of control and very corrupt district attorney." the post went on to read why didn't they indict 2.5 years ago? because they wanted to do it right in the middle of my political campaign. jessica, it's unclear how the judge will ultimately in this case rule on some of his social media activities. we know that in 2020 in the federal case regarding the 2020 election and donald trump's attempts to overturn the results there that the judge has posted some restrictions on his social media activity. but i'm told from my conversations with donald trump's advisers that he has no plans to cease posting, he views truth social and social media as his most direct way of communicating with voters and particularly his base and that he thinks it's the best way to defend himself. the problems that we're seeing arise in the federal case, the special counsel's case with his social media activity could also potentially be a problem in this case as well. >> it doesn't sound like he's going to stop that anytime soon. all right. alayna treene for us, thanks so much. jim? >> despite donald trump's fourth indictment in just over four months many top republicans are still lining up behind the former president and defending him, though there are some notable exceptions. cnn's lauren fox is live on capitol hill. lauren, as you know, for instance, the house speaker, kevin mccarthy, in the immediate aftermath of january 6th said donald trump bears responsibility. he has now changed his tune. is that a consistent reaction on the hill in the last 24 hours? >> reporter: yeah, you've seen this over and over again in the previous indictments as well, that house republicans are very swift to come out and support former president donald trump. and there was no exception last night. mere moments after this almost 100-page indictment came down and it was released, you saw so many house republicans take to twitter including the house speaker kevin mccarthy, who said this was a radical d.a. in georgia who is following biden's lead by attacking president trump and using it to fund-raise her political career. "americans see through this desperate sham." you also heard from jim jordan, the chairman of the house judiciary committee, who just said, "this is a witch hunt," in all caps, "against president trump. he did nothing wrong." we see that echoed by the rank and file up on capitol hill. i just spoke with morgan griffith, who was on capitol hill briefly opening the house chamber for a pro forma session. and he said he hasn't even read the indictment, jim, because he just views this as more of the same, a kind of pile-on. he said that he might get to it eventually, he might read through it. but when i pushed him on whether or not he thought that joe biden actually won the state of georgia, he said he didn't really even know. and i think that just speaks to the reality of so many house republicans and rank-and-file members as well as their base voters, that they view this moment as really just an us against them fight with democrats. they are not looking into the ni nitty-gritty details as we heard from morgan griffith. >> we should note that the republican governor of georgia, brian kemp, just a short time ago said in no uncertain terms the election in georgia in 2020 was not stolen. there are some republicans out there speaking the truth. lauren fox on capitol hill, thanks so much. jessica. >> i want to talk more about all of this now with cnn political commentator s.e. cupp. s.e., it's great to see you. thanks for joining us this afternoon. we know that trump is now facing 91 charges in four criminal cases over the course of four months, for everyone following along at home. yet we know that the bulk of the 2024 gop candidates really are not going after him on this at all and in fact the ones who are polling closest to him have really taken his side in all of this. what do you make of that, and is that the right move politically and is it the right move for the republican party generally? >> well, i did a quick search on twitter just before i came on. and you're right, it's mostly been crickets. nothing from ron desantis. nothing from nikki haley. nothing from mike pence. tim scott apparently was giving an interview and he called this a weaponization of the legal system. so he's defending donald trump. asa hutchinson put out a statement critical of -- condemning trump for these indictments. but yeah, i mean, this feels like all of these campaigns are pretty much vanity projects. i don't think any of these people really want to win. because if you really wanted to become the president and you're polling at least 30 points behind the top guy, that's if you're doing well, you would definitely go out and say to voters, hey, i get it, you like donald trump, i like donald trump, but donald trump is most likely going to be facing prison t time. that's not a great scenario for voters, for the country, for the republican party, let's just be realistic here. none of them are really willing to do that basic thing in any kind of fully frontal way. so that leads me to believe they don't actually want to win, they want to sell books, maybe up their name i.d., raise money. but not actually -- not actually take on the guy that is currently beating them all. >> yeah, you're right. it's being that explicit about saying he could face prison time. we've seen desantis talk about it in interviews or pence talking about him putting himself over the constitution. but in those direct terms that you're talking about it's rare. now, one person that has gone after the former president pretty aggressively is former new jersey governor chris christie. i want to listen to a clip of him reacting to this latest indictment. then i'll come back to you. >> i think this was unnecessary, as did donald trump. now, remember, as to the other defendants, jack smith chose not to charge them. so i would have less of a problem with this if she decided okay, i'm not going to charge donald trump here because he's been charged for essentially this conduct by jack smith. but giuliani and meadows and others have not been charged at the federal level. that would be a more defensible indictment, i think. >> s.e., what do you make of that? because he has been so aggressive about criticizing the former president. it is a bit of a departure from what we've heard from him. >> yeah, i think chris christie the presidential candidate briefly returned to chris christie the attorney and he fell into a legal argument. and he's, you know, able to make that argument. it's a decent argument. but he's running for president. and he has been really willing to take on donald trump, unlike most of the others. it's kind of his thing, right? his campaign is built around taking on donald trump. this was another opportunity. despite his legal parsing to say this person could go to prison, between the mandatory minimums, the no state pardons, the four indictments, the 90-plus charges, this person could be going to prison. that's all you have to say. it doesn't put you on either side of donald trump. it's just honest and obvious. and i don't -- i don't get why this isn't like the mantra of every single person running against donald trump. >> and one piece of all of this is if you look at the polling both nationally and in these early states we all know that donald trump continues to lead by double digits, that he's remained pretty consistent over the last several months, over the last several indictments. tbd on if that changes moving forward. but the fact that he as of now has been able to successfully convince the republican base and his key supporters that all of this is politically motivated, that this is a weaponization of the doj, that he gets this cover from people like tim scott saying a similar thing and other candidates, ron desantis as well, so many of them. what do you think about that, that so many american people genuinely believe this is all for politics? >> well, keep in mind this is the republican primary and the base is with donald trump, there's no doubt about it. but the base is shrinking. and so i think the vast majority of americans do not believe that donald trump is a victim in all of this and think there's probably something to these indictments. but listen, this is vintage donald trump. playing the victim, saying he's got definitive proof that he's going to reveal on monday that he's really the victim in all of this, proof he's held on to i guess for three years. this is what he's done. and it convinces just enough people, his base, to believe these lies and believe that he is indeed the victim instead of at the center of all of this corruption and abuse. >> all right. well, as always, great to see you. thanks so much for your thoughts. we appreciate it. s.e. cupp, great to see you. >> sure. >> jim? dead voters, stuffed ballot boxes, just some of the debunked claims donald trump has used to try to overturn his defeat in georgia, cast doubt on it. ahead we're going to fact-check some of those claims as well as their impact on the gop. plus the judge assigned to preside over the former president's fourth criminal case of the year. what we're learning about scott mcafee, just ahead. freedom for kids. hungry? 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>> this stuff is honestly so bananas i'm hesitant to discuss it on television. >> right. >> let me take people through it because it's baseless, no evidence. it's a complete distortion. so there is a rapper named ysl mondo who is part of a hip-hop collective that fani willis is also prosecuting members of alleging that their hip-hop group is also a criminal street gang. now, ysl mondo did an interview with "rolling stone" magazine in japan saying hey, fun fact, when fani willis was a defense lawyer in 2019 she actually represented me and we had a cool relationship. she was a great lawyer. he said we had like auntie to nephew, mother to son type talks and i'm surprised that she's now basically prosecuting my buddies. well, the trump campaign made an tack ad out of that saying that fani willis concealed a relationship with a member of a gang she was prosecuting, even show she didn't. she told "rolling stone" yeah, i used to represent the guy when i was a defense lawyer. somehow trump took that further and took hiding a relationship to mean she was having an affair, some sort of illicit romantic sexual relationship with a gang member she was prosecuting. that is completely out of thin air no basis for it whatsoever. but he said it in a speech, then said it again on social media. >> and you've said it, i'll say it, completely untrue. but thank you so much for going through all of that step by step. the truth obviously so important here. daniel dale, thanks so much. >> thank you. >> jim? >> let's speak now to cnn political commentator, former january 6th select committee member, former republican congressman adam kinzinger. thanks so much for taking the time. >> glad to be with you. >> you speak to republican voters. you've won some elections yourself. trump's support among gop primary voters has withstood the charges to date. now he'll be tried, one of the trials at least might be televised in georgia. he might be convicted. does that soften his support over time, or solidify it? >> yeah, look, jim, i think over time. so once these crimes are done, once people see all the evidence, i hold out hope that there's going to be like a moment of awakening and saying look, what have we done. right now what you have is look, to support donald trump you have to like give a little piece of your soul because you say, well, in 2016 it was i don't like the guy but the supreme court's so important. in 2020 it was i don't like joe biden, so i'll support donald trump. and then you keep having to invest more and more. it's like the sunken cost fallacy. in vietnam there was i appoint at which we had lost 10,000 troops and nobody wanted to leave because we'd already invested 10,000 troops' lives in vietnam, so we have to say. and that's kind of i think what's happening to a lot of people. to then turn your support against trump and admit that he's unfit for office, you have to take inventory of the fact that you supported him for so long when he was unfit for office. but i think at the moment all this evidence is laid out in court. it may not be directly as a result of that, but i think that's the beginning of the end of this base of support for him. but it may take some time. >> so let me ask you this because you know of the folks running against trump now for the nomination it's only a minority that have directly taken him on for his actions on january 6th, not to dismiss this as a purely partisan show. is that purely a gop primary strategy? of course assuming anybody but trump wins the nomination. because when you're trying to make your case to independent voters they believe these are serious charges. >> yeah, it'll be -- if any of these people besides donald trump happens to win the election, win the primary, yeah, they're going to be trying to run to the middle a little bit. but the base is so rabidly pro trump that they can't do it. and what amazes me, jim, is like if you're going to run for president and the front-runner is donald trump you literally have two choices. you either have to take him on -- and boy, you don't have to look for a lot of issues. the guy broke the law a bunch and he's now out on bail three different times, now soon to be a fourth. that's a pretty good thing to run against him on. so you either have to do that or just drop out and endorse him. because he's way ahead anyway. i don't understand how these folks are scared to speak out against him. it's fine. if you're scared of doing it or you don't want to do it, i get it. then drop out of the race because it doesn't make sense for you to be there right now. chris christie's spoken loudly. will hurd. asa hutchinson. and mike pence to an extent. i want to see people like tim scott, who knows better, start to really speak out too. >> the folks who've tried to walk that -- ride the fence it hasn't worked out particularly well for them at least in polling so far. we do have a republican debate coming up in the midst of all this. you have two folks on stage to this point who've qualified who to some degree have been able to criticize the president, been willing to, pence and christie. do you expect that debate to be centered around that interaction there? because you can imagine how the audience might respond to pence or christie going after the current favorite for the nomination. >> yeah, i think the debate has to be at least with those two -- i don't know if mike pence will be aggressive because he's kind of walked the line a little bit. he's spoken out a little more recently. i mean, he could have been by the way the leader of this whole thing if he'd have just stuck with that from january 7th. but chris christie will be. he's realizing that he's not playing to the crowd that's there on the debate stage, he's talking to the voters that are actually watching. and there is no way -- i mean, he's in second place now in new hampshire. so this is going to be all about donald trump. it will be interesting, though, to watch the second tier of folks, whether it's ramaswamy and some others do their best to try to really suck up to donald trump because i think some of them are running for vice president or running for a cabinet position and not actually for the presidency. and it's going to be -- i think after this debate there will be a lot of clarity on who really wants to be president and who just wants a position in the cabinet. >> well, one final question. donald trump has certainly proven at least with gop voters to be teflon on a whole range of issues going from "access hollywood" right up to his fourth indictment last night. as a politician is this trump specific in your view, or has he fundamentally changed the survivability of, well, a whole host of personal, professional, political crimes and alleged crimes? >> look, i think he has moved the window a little bit so that more people can get away with more things. there's no doubt about it. i mean, and that's a sad thing in our government. i think he is uniquely positioned to get away with almost everything in certain people's minds. i'm not sure if it's an attitude issue, if it's just how long that's been going on. but he can't run away from justice. and i think that's the key. he's going to be loud about it and say it's not justice. it is justice. look at eric hershmann's comment to job eastman shortly after january 6th or leading up to january 6th. he said hey, john, my recommendation to you is to get a good blanking lawyer because you're going to need it. they knew he was violating the law far before we even knew it on the january 6th committee. those are hardcore republicans saying that. >> adam kinzinger, thanks so much, as always. >> you bet. >> jessica. what do former president trump and cardi b. have in common? we're going to tell you about that next. and the former nfl player who inspired the hit film "the blind side" says a key part of the movie was based on a lie and he was bilked out of millions of dollars. what he says is the true story. that's ahead. safelite came right to us, and we could see exactctly when they'd arrive with a replacementnt we could trust. that's service the way we want it. >> singers: ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace. . ♪ was also the first time you heard of a town named dinosaur, colorado. we just got an order from dinosaur, colorado. start an easy to build, powerful website for free with a partner that always puts you first. start for free at godaddy.com (♪) rsv can be a dangerous virus... 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"the racist architect of fraudulent trump university criticizing lebron. potus pathetic once again." so jessica, he has really criticized the former president. but at the same time when he was named to be one of trump's attorneys down in georgia he talked to the "new york times" in 2022 and he said that "i represent everybody," and he put it this way. he said, "we have our personal lives and we have our personal politics and i don't apologize for my personal politics." so he will be a staunch defender of the former president once we get to all of the hearings and legal wranglings and eventual trial in georgia. he released this part of the statement from the entire legal team last night saying "the events that have unfolded today have been shocking and absurd." he continued to say, "we look forward to a detailed review of this indictment, which is undoubtably just as flawed and unconstitutional as this entire process has been." he will be a staunch defender of the former president. >> there's so much more to come in all of this. we're just really at the beginning. jessica schneider for us. thanks so much. jim? blindsided. the former nfl player whose life story turned into that hit movie "the blind side" says a key part of the whole story was a lie. we'll have more on "cnn news central." d. you could save $700 dollars just by switchching. ooooh, let me put a reminder on my p phone. on the top of the pile! oh. ononly pay for what you need. ♪ libertyty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ subway refreshed everything. and now, they're slicing their meats fresh. that's why this pro proffers the new grand slam ham. so does this pro. i just love a grand slam... ham. we know you'll proffert too. i knew he'd love that sandwich. they offer two pairs and a free, quality eye exam starting at just $79.95. i can see from your expression that you find that shocking. ...aaaaaaaand, you don't have ears. book an exam today at americasbest.com. our ears connect us to the moments that matter. give them the nutrients they need with lipo. it's formulated with ingredients clinically shown to protect your ears from dizziness, ear ringing, and even hearing loss. never miss a moment with lipo flavonoid. you founded your kayak company because you love the ocean- not spreadsheets. you need to hire. i need indeed. indeed you do. indeed instant match instantly delivers quality candidates matching your job description. visit indeed.com/hire okay everyone, our mission is complete balanced nutrition. together we provide nutrients to support immune, muscle, bone, and heart health. yaaay! woo hoo! ensure with 25 vitamins and minerals and ensure complete with 30 grams of protein. ♪ i realized that jade was overweight. i wish i would have introduced the fresh food a lot sooner. after farmer's dog, she's a much healthier weight. she's a lot more active. and she's able to join us on our adventures. get started at betterforthem.com that's why comcast business de is launching theal. mobile made free event. with our business internet, new and existing customers can get one year of unlimited mobile for free. it's our best internet. powered by the next generation 10g network and with 99.9% reliability. plus one line of free mobile for an entire year. it's the mobile made free event-happening now. get started for just $49.99 a month. plus, ask how to get one free line of unlimited mobile. comcast business, powering possibilities. it was one of the biggest movies of 2009. you may remember it. 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