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Yes, you too. All right, you guys, make way. So, elie honig, she is now bringing that document, which the judge has now looked at, to the clerk. Correct, anderson. And what we just saw was the judge reviewing that indictment. And to be clear, that is not a substantive review. That indictment appeared to be quite long. The judge does not read through it and have to sign off on it. Thats The Grand Jurys province. Thats already happened. The judge is just making sure that there is no procedural irregularities. Thats why you heard that quick questioning, did Everything Go as expected in the jury room. The individual said no problems. Its being sent to the Clerks Office where the next step is it will be docketed. It will become part of the official record. It will be available to all of us in the public and the media, assuming that its not under seal. All indications are that its not going to be under seal. If thats the case, we will have access to that document momentarily. And michael moore, this is how it always occurs in courts in georgia at this level . Yeah. That was a pretty standard return of an indictment in court. I mean, frankly, you usually see this about 4 00 in the afternoon and the prosecutor comes in and theres a stack of indictments and they range from carjackings to drug cases to sometimes child support. You never know what may be in there. And there is a stack returned to the court. In this case, the grand jurors had a targeted session, and they obviously considered the allegations. Well see how many defendants they indicted. By all accounts, were expecting a dozen or so, which now sets the stage for the battle. So, this is the beginning of the race from the prosecutors standpoint. Getting the indictment is fairly simple. You know that from seeing this grand jury meet today. So, now well be off and see a flurry of pretrial motions. After we see the former president or whoever is charged to come in and appear before the court. There will be a question of and how that works. And by all accounts there will be no real issue with that. It will just be a formality. And its off to the races for everybody from the prosecutor to the Defense Attorneys. And michael, in terms of The Grand Jury, how long has this particular grand jury i mean, fani willis has been doing this investigation for more than two years. How long has this grand jury been focused on it . And at what stage does she present the charges that she wants to The Grand Jury . Yeah. There have been a couple of grand juries meeting in the recent weeks. So, i dont know how long this particular one has actually had their hands on the indictment and been presented with the evidence. You can receive evidence from other grand juries. The former grand jury, the special purpose grand jury, which met for about eight months, remember, did not have the power to return the indictment. That grand jury just simply had the power to investigate, to issue subpoenas, to look at the evidence, to have, you know, the witnesses come before them. A grand jury in georgia, a regular criminal grand jury, does not have investigative power. Typically that grand jury has to be confronted and presented what we call laying the indictment on the table. And that is that the prosecutor comes in and says we intend to seek an indictment for charges a through z. And we want to present evidence about that. And then there will be an introduction of some prosecution witness. It can be done by summary witnesses. Sometimes done by investigators, some Law Enforcement official who comes in. The grand jury has a chance to ask questions about the indictment but is not investigating. So, the return of the decision by a grand jury to, you know, criminal process to give an indictment can be fairly quick. And i think here you can tell we had eight months of investigation and really a relatively short time of consideration for returning the indictment. And elie, do you have a sense of from now that its heading to the clerk, what is the process for it being released . So, the clerk really at this point just has to add it to the docket. Theyll open up a new docket entry, which is all online now. Itll be titled State Of Georgia Versus whoever the defendants are. And then presumably the indictment will be docketed. There wont be typically some sort of formal announcement by a clerk. Now, the d. A. , fani willis, may choose to come down and make an announcement at any moment. In fact, prosecutors tend to do things that way. As soon as the document hits the docket and becomes public, the d. A. Will want to come down to make a basic statement to inform us of whats in there. Theres not going to be a judge taking the bench again in the ordinary course to say that this indictment has come back. So, it does look like the documents that were reviewed quickly and properly by the judge and sent back to the clerk have been walked back into the clerks area. And that does look like the Clerks Office that were seeing right now. Now, its just a question of really the sort of formality of docketing it and making this document official and available to the public. And Kaitlan Collins, this is something the team around the former president has been expecting certainly on this night. Yeah. He has two different attorneys, and those people would probably recognize representing him specifically in georgia. There are so many different indictments that he has a different legal team for each of them. And were waiting to see what theyre hearing themselves. Were watching this process happen, as the paperwork is being delivered to the judge, those findings there. We dont have confirmation it was the indictment. We believe it was. But trumps team is waiting, just as we are. They kind of have an expectation of what to do once he is informed that he is indicted, if that is what happens here. And they certainly believe that he is going to be one of those names potentially indicted. But his legal team has obviously just been watching this as closely as anyone else has, as we are, to see when this actually happens, when they are notified of it. I will say one thing that i do believe is going to be different here, beyond the fact that we were able to watch that moment there which in and of itself we have not seen with the indictments. We do believe theres an expectation we would likely hear from the District Attorney here. Thats the same District Attorney that trump has been attacking and what i have heard from seeing these other indictments happen, where trump has been the first person to come out and present his side of it. It seems like that time span is t getting shorter and shorter with each indictment. And instead we are hearing from the prosecutors earlier on. We certainly did with jack smith in the last indictment. There is certainly potential we would hear something from fani willis here. Someone who, i should note, in recent days had to email her staff and say, ignore the attacks, focus on the work, keep your head down because there have been these persistent and repeated attacks from trump. As for his team itself and how theyre preparing for this, i mean this isnt their first indictment. And they were expecting this. So, they do have surrogates and allies ready to go. But i do think it is notable that his legal troubles are certainly piling up. Im told its something that is very clear when youre around trump and his inner circle. You know hes been out in public recently at iowa, at the liv gov tournament at his course kaitlan, im sorry to interrupt. Ive got to go to sara murray. Sara, whats happening . Reporter so, we are learning that The Grand Jury has returned multiple indictments. Were learning there were ten indictments. Again, this is based on the piperwork that has been returned that has made its way into the Clerks Office. We are still waiting for the official release of these indictments. So, were still waiting, essentially for the names who are named here. We know obviously that Fulton County District Attorney fani willis went into this intending to seek charges against former President Donald Trump and a number of his allies. We dont yet know who was named in these indictments, what the details are of these indictment. What we do know from the paperwork, that The Grand Jury returned ten indictments, guys. And do you have a sense of when we will get more details . Will those come from fani willis, if she chooses to speak tonight, as may perhaps seem likely . Or will more become clear as that document is seen online . Reporter well, i think two things need to happen. I mean, first of all, these indictments need to be processed. They need to be stamped by the clerk. Potentially in order for fani willis to speak freely about what The Grand Jury has actually returned today. And oits a little unclear how long that will take. Were past 9 00 p. M. Were well past when most of the Clerks Office staff would be here to assist them in processing that. We dont know how long its going to take for these full indictments to be made public. And its possible that we could hear remarks from fani willis on this case. She spent two and a half years investigating. This this is clearly something that they felt like they could do in one day before The Grand Jury. And they obviously got some bang for their buck today because The Grand Jury approved ten indictments. And now were sort of waiting to see what the timing is going to be like for us to actually see the meat of what is in those. Senior legal analyst elie honig, what do you make . Ten indictments. What do you read into that . Thats an important piece of news there. Any time you have a case with multiple defendants like this one, theres a key strategic decision you have to make as a prosecutor, which is are we going to indict everyone all together on one indictment, or are we going to break it up into individual indictments or smaller groups . And the fact that we are now hearing that its ten different indictments tells me theyve gone for the latter approach. One of the Strategic Benefits of stripping out your defendants into individual or separate indictments is it does enable you to get any one of those indictments to try more quickly. If you have ten people together on one indictment, thats a huge undertaking. Thats going to take quite a while to get to trial. If you have one person charged individually, thats much quicker to get to trial. So, i think theres a streamlining consideration happening here. So, ten indictments. Does that mean ten individuals or could there be multiple indictments per individual . The way i understand that is there are ten separate charging instruments, ten separate documents. You could see one person in each indictment. You could see two, three, four people in each indictment. The way i understand saras reporting, if theres ten different indictments, that means you have a minimum of ten different people. You could have one. You could have one indictment with one person, another one with three. They might have chopped it up into substantive blocks here. Could you see the same person charged in more than one of those indictments . Yes, theoretically, but that would be a confusing way to charge this. Could you just repeat that please . Im told the paperwork indicates that The Grand Jury did not vote against any of the indictments presented to it on monday. So, thats as expected, anderson. In other words, The Grand Jury will either vote yes or no on each indictment by a majority vote. Thats all thats required in The Grand Jury, 12 out of 23. And to build off that reporting, that tells us that The Grand Jury voted yes on all of the indictments that were presented to it. Sometimes, very rarely, but sometimes a grand jury will vote what we call no true bill, meaning we are not indicting. But it sounds like the reporting that you just repeated is that The Grand Jury voted yes to indict everyone who was presented to it. Were joined now by jake tapper in washington. Lets go to him. Jake . Thanks, anderson, appreciate it. So, i am here with my panel, which includes abby phillip, gloria borger, jamie gangel, laura coates, and andy mccabe. And right now, lets start with the legal analyst we have on the panel. Right now we are waiting to hear who got indicted. Is it your assumption that these are ten indictments for ten different individuals . Or are you not going to say, you dont know . Well, its not entirely clear. If it was lets play both out. If it is ten different individuals, youre going to have ten separate potential trials, which of course means youre going to have issues with the efficiency. If the underlining factual predicate for everything means it could all be tried together, youre going to have delays that otherwise would not be there. If its altogether, you have the delay of every single duck trying to get in a row and every Defense Attorney trying to figure out who is getting advantage and who is not. Whats so significant here though is the way this has happened. People have expected this for quite some time. The fact that its taken place in a day might confuse some people. What happens is a presentation of a closing argument, if you will. As the prosecutor, you go in and say, heres all the evidence i have before you. You essentially say to them, here are the potential charges id like you to consider. Youre going to line up the facts, the data, the testimony, and youre going to align it next to each individual element of a particular crime. And youre going to say to them, id like you to vote on these charges. And you do it in such a concise and methodical way as to leave no room for error that they could have a finding of probable cause. Thats all this is. It is not beyond a reasonable doubt. But it is very difficult to have the breadth of information over multi years, to have a grand jury whos been meeting for months and months if not longer to try to cope their own individual notebooks of everything. Youre going to present it to the jury and youre going to say, here is what im asking for you to do. The fact that there was not a single indictment that was voted against leads me to believe that there was substantial evidence to support the probable cause finding. It was done in a clear and compelling way. They had the proverbial horses mouth actually testify to different things. And this, of course, is not in a vacuum, is it . Georgia and the Magnifying Glass over georgia has been there for quite a long time. And a lot of it has played out in front of the press. What i would imagine, jamie gangel, is one of the main exhibits is the complete audiotape of trump calling the Secretary Of State and telling him to find, i think its 11,780 votes. I think thats the number. That is correct. Thank you. And most important, only one more than was needed. One more than needed. Thats something that we learned because somebody in raffenspergers office, presumably, gave the recording to the washington post. And we learned that almost two years ago. And every time we hear that recording, its as if its the first time again. Yeah, shocking. It is stunning. Look, to lauras point about we expected this, i think it was about a week or ten days ago that fani willis said, were ready to go. Clearly she was ready to go. We dont know all the names of the people who were indicted. But certainly donald trump and people around him think he is one of the people. In addition to that recording, i just think its worth knowing that reminding people that georgia there were donald trump and his allies put pressure on a lot of states. But nowhere the way he did in georgia. And when you look at the evidence were told the recordings, texts, emails, documents, and there are the false electors. What dont we know yet . We dont know who cooperated. Yeah. We dont know whether mark meadows or others cooperated. Lets go to the Fulton County courthouse right now if we can to check in with our reporter on the ground, sara murray. Sara, do we have any idea when were actually going to see these indictments . Reporter well, jake, were waiting to see and were told from our colleagues who are in the Clerks Office right now that, again, the clerk has confirmed that The Grand Jury returned ten indictments, would not say who was indicted. And when asked about the timeline for getting copies of this indictment said, worst Case Scenario, three hours. So, were hoping that truly is the worst Case Scenario, that were not waiting here for three hours to see the guts of what is in this indictment. And they can move a little speedily than that. I think my sense is the District Attorneys office would certainly like to move quicker than this being made public in the next three hours. But, again, it takes a little bit for them to actually be able to process this document, to stamp it. Its clear they do want to be able to make it widely public. But its not clear at this point lounge how long thats going to take. Right. Although they are working through the night, right . That was one of the things that was interesting about this evening. Normally The Grand Jury at 5 00, like the whistle at the beginning of the flintstones, they run off thats an old david reference. I apologize for the younger viewers. The idea the work day is done at 5 00 and you go home. Today they did not do that and that is unusual, right . Oh. That was absolutely unusual. Weve been at the courthouse, i cant tell you how many times, and its in a month no mans land when you get past 5 00. Not only the judge has left for the day, but the clerk and the clerk staff has left for the day. This is a clearly concerted effort to keep staff around in order to be

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