Team says charges are imminent tonight. Well talk to someone who just walked out from in a grand jury coming straight to us. Now the death toll in maui is at 99. It will be higher. Our bill weir is there getting a rare look at whats happening in hawaii. And the ruble takes a massive tumble. A very public and embarrassing message tonight. Lets go outfront. Fast and furious, you are looking live at the Fulton County courthouse right now where a grand jury is inside, working overtime, still hearing the case at 7 p. M. Eastern with all signs now pointing to an unprecedented fourth indictment against former President Trump. The lights are still on in that courtroom where the grand jury is meeting. We are two hours past that courts normal closing time. Trumps advisor telling cnn his team is preparing for that indictment to be delivered imminently. Coming up this hour, were going to be joined by two witnesses because moments ago the former georgia Lieutenant Governor, jeff duncan, he just left the court. He waited his turn, he testified before that grand jury. Hell be with us momentarily to tell you about it. Well be joined by journalist george chetee. We are waiting for him to finish his testimony and join us immediately thereafter. I want to be clear, both of them were scheduled to testify tomorrow but then they were moved in a lastminute switch to today. This is now going well past hours. Its just one of many surprises adding to the intrigue tonight in georgia. We also saw reuters reporting that a Document Listing criminal charges against trump was brief posted and then removed from the official web site of the Fulton County court. That obviously can be hugely significant. The statement to the court then calls it a, quote, fictitious document. Well see. Trump himself of course is spun up. He called the former georgia Lieutenant Governor, jeff duncan, is coming here to the camera after testifying, he called him a loser, warning that duncan, quote, shouldnt testify. Trump also called the Fulton County d. A. A, quote, phony and called the former d. A. Very partisan and biased and unfair. All of that from the former president. Paula, the lights are on, theyre all inside. What is the latest there right now . Reporter and we are watching and waiting. The grand jury is still inside two hours after the courthouse usually closes. The judge who oversees this grand jury also still inside. Hes popped his head out of chambers a few times to encourage reporters in the courtroom to just hang in there. So we continue to watch and wait while we do some reporting on exactly what has happened so far. Among the witnesses that have gone before the grand jury are two former state lawmakers, both democratic former state senators went in to testify today. We expected they would be asked about a presentation they witnessed by Rudy Giuliani that was laden with Conspiracy Theories. Moments ago the former Lieutenant Governor, jack duncan, will join us shortly. We know there is at least one other witness inside, the independent journalist, george chetee. Hes been helpfully tweeting updates about his status but his tweets also suggested theres at least one other witness still in there so it might be a while on whether we get any answers about the possible fourth indictment of former President Trump. Paula, thank you very much. Of course well go back to Paula The Instant she hears anything. As promised, i do want to go straight to jeff duncan, who just finished testifying before the Fulton County grand jury moments ago. You were scheduled tomorrow, they called you in today. You had to go in and wait and then go before that grand jury. What can you tell us happened . Well, it was a very serious atmosphere, as you would expect and one that was back and forth conversation. I was certainly honored to answer their questions to the best of my ability and thats what i did throughout my period of time. Not certain of the exact time, maybe an hour plus. And so we understand, who was asking the questions . Well, im going to certainly just not being a lawyer, im going to stay away from the details, making sure i dont jeopardize the integrity of the investigation. But it was a very intense meeting. Intense and serious. Okay. An hour plus. Let me just try to get an understanding from you, then, Lieutenant Governor, about what the questions what was it really focused on . Thats a lot of time, a lot of questions. What were they really focused on finding out from you . I think they certainly wanted to hear the facts as i knew them. Thats what this whole process has been about, even bigger than just the grand jury. I think this is an important pivot point for america. We cant just be half baked with Conspiracy Theories and kind of just pat it down. We either have to validate that these Conspiracy Theories are real or theyre not. I know where i come down on the matter. They dont exist. This is part of the painful Healing Process for the Republican Party for us to move past this moment in time. This temporary moment of insanity is what i think history will reflect of this time being republicans. So were they focused on the former president s efforts to find 11,780 votes, as he said, just one more than he needed to win . Was it mostly focused on that or the fake elector scheme where there was a slate of fake electors put forth in georgia . Their access to Voting Machines . What are you able to tell us . I know this isnt the answer you want to hear but it was a wide ranging conversation across a lot of different topics. As the president of the senate, i had the purview of committees and legislation and misinformation and of course i spoke out very early in the process about the misinformation. Within hours of the election it seemed obvious what Donald Trumps play was, to spread misinformation and start grass fires. The unfortunate part there wasnt the millions of republicans behind a handful of us and unfortunately the fire burned out of control and two and a half years later were still in the position where we were there with this guy leading our republican nomination process. I do think this is going to be a pivot point, a changing tide. Its an opportunity for somebody to step up and do the right thing here, totally turn their back on Donald Trumps ways and past and lead the party in a direction that is better and to join us to fix this mess that joe biden put us in. Your former colleague had talked to me about the seriousness with with think approach the questions, members of the grand jury, how thoughtful, how prepared they were. What did you find today and were they all there . Was everybody present and sort of how would you describe the attention they paid your testimony, the focus that they gave you . I can tell you that there was the highest level of attention in that room for folks with the District Attorneys Office to the jurors. It was just an extremely intense period of time and everybody was prepared. Its just like walking into a perfect meeting where everybody is prepared and ready to go to work and thats really what it was, a very, very serious work environment. Now, you originally of course were scheduled to testify tomorrow and you found out today it got moved up today. Did they give you any reason as to why your testimony was moved up so suddenly . Didnt affect me, other than maybe i didnt get to the Car Pool Line today. Brooke had to cover for me. My story is my story, whether it was a year ago, a day ago or ten years from now. My story swas the facts and i ws fine to deliver that information today. Team trump believes an indictment is imminent. You were literally running to the camera. The judge told reporters to hold tight for now. Do you get a sense after testifying that this decision will be coming, you know, imminently, tonight . Im not sure of those details. Theres a heightened level of security. Ive just never seen that much Police Activity and certainly theyre prepared for whatever the scenario ends up being. One final question to you, Lieutenant Governor, was there anything they asked you today in the conversation that was about an hour, anything that surprised you or you did not expect . No, absolutely not. I felt like everybody was prepared for the moment. They knew the facts. There wasnt a whole lot of having to set the table for whatever the question was, it was a as a matter of fact question and a simple answer. I appreciate your time, Lieutenant Governor, thank you very much. I know its been a long day. Thanks, erin. Joining me ryan goodman, the former special counsel with the department of defense, Stephanie Grisham joins me and thanks very much to all of you. Ryan, so you hear the Lieutenant Governor. You having been through this, you can parse what he said in a much more meaningful way. You go in at this stage, its described the way he described it as both the grand jury and fani willis team, about an hour, what do you take away from that . It sounds like were at the very, very end game and that its quite likely that well have an Indictment Decision and hopefully the indictment itself if thats the case tonight. Its just all the timing is pointing in that direction. He was supposed to go tomorrow. They made him come today. The courthouse usually closes at 5 p. M. , theyre holding it late. It sounds like they want to wrap this thing up. If thats the case, whether or not the jury returns the Indictment Affirmatively or negatively, i think its going to happen tonight. Anthony, what do you think . I agree. I think what weve seen is a real desire by the Fulton County d. A. s office and to be sure the jurors can be released from their duty once the decision is rendered. Certainly this morning Donald Trumps attempt to somewhat intimidating tim duncan from testifying at the grand jury, i think theres a lot of reasons why they want to wrap this up and be done with it. To that point, stephanie, mentioning what the former president said about jeff duncan, warning him not to testify and calling him a loser. That didnt affect the Lieutenant Governor in any way. Nonetheless, you are seeing the former president certainly try making his feeling known to witnesses or potential witnesses in this case. Yeah, hes certainly doing what he always does. Its unfortunate because i think until there are actual consequences, hes going to continue doing this. Its like a toddler. Youve got to give them consequences to show that people mean it. I wish, i hope that at some Point A Judge says thats it, were going to give you 24 hours in jail or whatever the punishment would be. Hes got to have consequences because, again, as i said so many times, somebody gets hurt or heaven forbid a witness does feel intimidated and that takes some of these cases off the rails. The Lieutenant Governor talking about him coming in tomorrow. Hes going to say what hes going to say. We dont know why things suddenly changed. We do know that reuters reported on that document, saying it was briefly posted to the court web site and it listed charges against trump. The court came out and said it was fictitious. Nonetheless, that happened today and subsequently things really sped up. Things that were supposed to happen tomorrow started happening today. What do you think about all that . I agree. I think its the most important variable that might explain why they sped up today. Either that document is real and therefore does actually show the architecture of what the document might look like and you dont want the jurors going home at night, seeing the news about it and the analysis of it and coming back the next day or the document is not real and you dont want the jurors seeing all of the analysis of it and coming back the next day. She probably wanted to keep the witnesses in place and let that be it and have no questions asked about whether or not this somehow played dont read in more into it or whatever, you need to not deal with it. They may have given them a preview of what the indictment looks like. Right, depending if it really was fictitious or not fictitious. Anthony, if trump is charged and convicted in the state ofle geo of georgia, just to be clear, He Cannot Marr cannot pardon himself, theyre state charges. Is there any else in georgia, with the way georgia law works, who could prevent him having prison time . The power to parole is not a governors gift. Its an obligation, responsibility thats invested by the Georgia Constitution to board of pardons and parole. So it would really be up to them. But even then ultimately a sentence has to be filled before they can consider a pardon. So theres really no easy out in the way the federal system might give donald trump an out from some of the federal cases. Stephanie, i know theres been some reporting that perhaps the former president will speak indictment. Now, obviously he did after maralago because he had a fundraiser. He didnt after the d. O. J. Charges, the second set for january 6th. What do you say about that, especially lashing out. The judge has put a protective order on the information that can be shared with the public. Yeah, i wouldnt be surprised if we heard him speak. I wouldnt be surprised if they have a video already recorded and ready to go. As we all probably remember, he said if he gets indicted a fourth time, he will win the presidency. And his team has had now four times to get this Communications Plan correct. So i can see them wanting to try to get their message out there. Im sure just like every other time were going to have a lot of republicans on the hill who will say, you know, this is a witch hunt, this is all staged, this is political before they even read the indictment. So it wouldnt surprise me to see a video from him. I dont think hes going to do anything but say this is rigged, were going to fight back, im taking this on for you, et cetera, et cetera and fund raise and Around The World we go. 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Fani willis would need two days to present her case to the grand jury. As weve seen today and as you noted in your great interview with jeff duncan, things have just been moving more quickly. So we continue to wait and watch to see if there could be indictments coming this evening. Paula, thank you very much. Paula is there so she will know it the moment it happens. Ryan, paula saying what you thought would be the case but actually put that it would happen tonight but it seems as if it now could be in the next hour. Absolutely. So thats exactly what people have been thinking is going to happen and now t