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we know they're still in there. >> it's after 5:00 right now. paula, walk us through what happens if the grand jury decides to indict donald trump and/or any of his allies. >> reporter: we expect the indictment also be for over a dozen people. the former president's lawyers say they do expect he will be among those indicted. we would expect the district attorney would seek an indictment from the grand jury and it would go to the clerk's office where we will most likely get our copy. then it will be made public and we'll be able to read about the charges. one of the things that's unclear, jake, is when the former president would appear for his initial appearance and a potential arraignment. in the federal cases that happened quickly. down in georgia, sources telling cnn that the former president's team expects it may take a little longer to have his first appearance down in georgia if he's indicted. >> paula reid, thanks so much. as those witnesses continue to testify before the grand jury in atlanta, donald trump is expecting he could be indicted at any moment. cnn's alayna treene joins us. how is trump's team preparing for this latest indictment? >> reporter: jake, they have a playbook now. they've had to respond to three previous indictments, and they're planning to use the same playbook with this potential indictment. they are lining up surrogates and allies, having them ready to respond to potential charges if they are filed. they've also spoken to conservative media and had them write pre written statements. they're preparing a response ahead of time for when or if an indictment in georgia does come. i'm also told that donald trump's team does expect that a potential arraignment, if he is indicted, would be in person. that he would have to show up in person in georgia and appear before the court. of course, that's an early guess from his team, from what they tell me. that's what they're anticipating at this time, jake. >> alayna treene, thanks so much. i want to bring in tom dupree, the former assistant attorney general under president george w. bush. we heard trump's team is expecting an indictment imminently. i know this is all speculation, but informed speculation. what kind of charges are you expecting? >> i think these are going to be broad charges. my strong suspicion is that fani willis will indict many witnesses. the other claim she might bring which i'm keeping an eye on is a rico charge. >> explain what that is. that's usually for gangsters. >> exactly. rico is a federal and state statute. what it basically does is allows prosecutors applying to a variety of situations. my strong hunch is they are looking seriously as bringing a rico-type complaint against president trump and his advisers for a conspiracy involving the election. >> we know donald trump leaned on secretary of state brad raffensperger to find the correct number of votes, to flip it. we know the prosecutor has evidence tieing the trump legal team to a breach of the election machines in a republican county. we know that there was a slate of fake electors that was submitted and not accepted. we know rudy giuliani went down there and met with legislators to talk about these wild and outlandish and disapproved claims about the election and telling them they should, therefore, flip the election to donald trump. is that a conspiracy to commit a crime? >> it should be. what you've articulated is what lawyers call predicate acts, discream criminal acts that you use to tie together a larger criminal conspiracy. there are items you mentioned, the call to brad raffensperger, voting machine alleged tampering, the slate of false electors. the other thing is more recent conduct by president trump or advisers to tamper with witnesses or otherwise obstruct justice. that would be something that was a little different in time, separated in time from the 2020 election. nonetheless, it could form a part of the charges she's about to bring. >> you talk about tampering with witnesses. our cnn colleague and former lieutenant governor geoff duncan who is a witness and testifying today, donald trump posted something on the social media site saying he shouldn't testify. is that witness tampering? >> well, a prosecutor can make a strong case that's witness tampering. if you have someone you know or reasonably expect is testifying either before the grand jury or before trial and you threaten or cajole or attempt to obstruct that testimony, sure, a prosecutor can make out a case for witness tampering. that seems to me at least a little too recent in time to form a basis for this indictment that presumably is forthcoming. it wouldn't surprise me if fani willis found other examples where people on the trump team used what she deems to be improper pressure to get witnesses not to testify. >> paula, there's a key difference in this case and the fed federal case. in georgia, trump cannot pardon himself even if he is elected president next november. >> reporter: that's right, jake. this is one of the reasons that the former president's legal team has been most concerned about georgia. not only the evidence that many of us are familiar with like that call with the secretary of state, many other key pieces of evidence that fani willis has gathered. once this case is brought, if he's indicted, he can't make it go away. if he's re-elected to the white house, most legal experts agree he would likely have his handpicked attorney general fire the special counsel. he also has his pardon power, likely for himself and certainly for others. but the state of georgia, that is beyond the reach of even the president of the united states. there's no mechanism for him to make this case go away even if he is re-elected. >> so what happens, tom? what happens if donald trump -- let's presume the verdict doesn't come in until after november 2024, and let's presume for the sake of this exercise that he wins which could happen, both the nomination and the presidency. what happens if a georgia jury says he's guilty of xyz, rico has a five-year minimum sentence. the president of the united states goes to prison? >> i think there are a few hurdles they'd have to get through to make that happen. in that scenario, president trump would say you need to exercise discretion and not sentence him to jail time. in other words, he's the duly elected new president of the united states, and you should either suspend the sentence, allow him to serve as president. the second argument the trump team would make is it infringes on his constitutional duty to execute the laws of the united states, it would be unconstitutional to force an incumbent president of the united states to serve jail time on a state charge. we're a long way away from that point. those arguments have never succeeded, have never needed to be presented. that's the sort of argument you would see if the scenario played out as articulated. >> we should note if a thing and a verdict happened before the presidential election, he could run for president from prison. it's happened before. eugene debs in the '20s or something was a presidential candidate who had been put in prison for violating the sedition act of all things. >> absolutely right. you have to dig pretty far back in our nation's history to find something even remotely analogous. our founders probably didn't envision the scenario we find ourselves in today. >> we see trump attacking d.a. fani willis on his truth social page, even as she's in that building possibly preparing an indictment against him. >> reporter: that's right. this is nothing new. he's repeatedly attacked fani willis, calling her a marxist, a racist, today pointing out the crime issues in the city of atlanta, suggesting she should be focusing on that instead of this indictment. similar to the attacks he launched against the mann district attorney who also indicted him in a second case. lawyers who have worked for the former president have made the argument to me that there are legitimate questions about whether elected district attorneys, in this case, a democratic prosecutor, should be able to file charges against a former president of the united states, or if that's something that should be reserved for the justice department and for special counsel. the former president not making that nuanced argument, instead calling people, quote, nasty disa disasters, marxists, leftists, and launching personal attacks. behind the scenes his lawyers have other questions that i do think are going to become a theme in the court of public opinion, but probably not on truth social. >> paula reid and tom dupree, thanks to both of you. growing questions and fewer answers as more videos emerge showing live power lines flung into the air were the deadly fires erupted. the first-of-its-kind implant that could change the lives of stroke survivors. cnn's sanjay gupta follows one patient who could barely walk before and is now doing yard work. ♪ ("drumroll" by lónis, little league ) ♪ ( ♪ ♪ ) ♪ this just in ♪ ♪ got the keys to what you want and what you need ♪ ♪ something new something sweet ♪ ♪ moving to a different beat ♪ ♪ okay now (what?) ♪ ♪ can i get a (get a) drumroll? 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[ bleep ]. nobody came to help us. we rely on people like you guys that have compassion like we do, that are willing to help us because, please, we need help. we need help. the next step -- this is just the first inning. this is the first inning of what we're facing. >> tourism is our number one source of income. i would hope that our representatives, our politicians, our government would ask the people from here when can we open. they shouldn't be telling us, oh, we want to open six months from now. the truth of the matter is, when you look at the overall devastation, we are not going to be ready to allow people to see what we're living through in six months. >> reporter: archie says he hopes this outpouring from around the world for maui is sustainable beyond these weeks, into next year, the years it will take to rebuild. they're very hopeful they can rebuild in a sustainable way to avoid the addiction to fossil fuels that set up the addictions to this. multigenerational hawaiians who are being priced out of these paradise settings right now. the soul is being sent out. they want to keep this from happening ever again. >> bill weir in maui, thank you very much. let's go to cnn's nick watt. nick, so many questions remain about how this fire started and how it got as bad as it did. today new information about how power lines on the island might have played a role. >> that's right, jake. the local utility is under increasing scrutiny. did downed power lines spark the fires? should they have done more over the years to prepare for something like this? and should they have preemptively shut down the grid in such high winds? a class action lawsuit has already been filed against the power company and it reads in part, by failing to shut off power during these dangerous fire conditions defendants caused loss of life. here is the pushback, specific to a formal power program, we like most utilities do not have one t hawaiian electric spokesperson told cnn. he said shutoffs would have had to have been coordinated with the first responders because on m maui, quote, electricity powers the pumps needed for firefighting. he said the focus right now is on helping the recovery. >> nick, our investigative team uncovered some social media videos that focus on those power lines what do they seem to show? >> well, you know, these videos are ramping up the pressure. on the utility we see poles and pylons bending in high wind and downed power lines. listen to shane true as he films outside his house. >> heads up. the line is live on the ground right now. thank you. the power line is live. the power line, it started from up the road there. >> reporter: the utility has been making efforts at fire mitigation. last year they asked for nearly $190 million for a, quote, climate adaptation program. but in the previous four years, they did not remove any hazardous trees outside of the right-of-way around their equipment. utilities have been found at fault for fires in the past. here in california pg&e was found guilty of 84 counts of involuntary manslaughter for the fire that pretty much destroyed the town of paradise. now, i must stress there is no official cause yet for the fire that destroyed lahaina. clearly there were a few factors at play, those storm winds as well as a lot of dry vegetation. the big remaining question, what provided the sparks. jake. >> nick watt, thanks so much. joining us on the phone now is kakoa lansford, a resident of lahaina. a few days ago you said people were still finding bodies floating in the water. is that still the case? tell us what you're seeing there. >> - - there was bodies in the water. >> kakoa, thank you. i know there's a real problem with cell phone connectivity on maui. we're going to check back with you when we get a better connection so people can hear what you're saying, kakoa lansford, thank you. head to cnn.com/impact for a list of resources. you can text the word hawaii to this number, 707070. coming up, heartburn is not the only fallout from the iowa state fair. there's the 2024 presidential politics. that's next. will you pause it real quick? 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(chainsaw revs) (tree crashes) (chainsaw continues) (daughter screams) let's pretend for a second that you didn't let down your entire family. what would that reality look like? well i guess i would've gotten us xfinity... and we'd have a better view. do you need mulch? what, we have a ton of mulch. trump was out on the campaign trail this weekend. he attended the iowa state fair briefly, along with other republican presidential candidates. while many candidates attended events and met with voters, donald trump seemed focused mainly on up staging ron desantis. it appeared that president trump was at times trolling desantis. he had a plane flying overhead with a banner saying "be more likable." he traveled with an entourage, also, of trump, largely made up of floridians, desantis' home state, including members of congress that endorsed him including byron donalds, matt ga gaetz, mike waltz of. do you think it bothered desantis at all? >> probably. not very many attendees of the iowa state fair know any members of the florida congressional delegation. they don't recognize them, they don't care about them. you just mentioned it. it's mentioned in all the media stories about how trump trolls desantis. i think that's what they were going for. >> another theme of the weekend, paula, candidates needling trump to try to get him to join the debate stage. take a listen. >> people ask me sometimes what i think about debating donald trump. i tell people i've debated donald trump a thousand times, just never with the cameras on. >> president trump, it's his decision whether he wants to get on the debate stage. he has to earn the support of the american public. he ha . >> you have to show up. you have to debate. >> do you have to earn the nomination, do you have to debate? >> no. trump would be foolish to do so. he may do it because he's quite a foolish guy. is his ego bigger than his political sense. he gains nothing. he's 40 points ahead. by the way, i love the trolling. i do. i'm a small, horrible person. >> it's all aboveboard. for trump, that's -- >> he knows desantis who is very high in intellect but not quick witted. what if desantis looked up and said, oh, look, ladies and gentlemen, there's con air. maybe he's lost. desantis could have done this. >> you're like me with the con air reference. i take your point. laura, in order to join the debate stage trump would have to sign the rnc pledge, that you would support the nominee no matter who it is. trump said he didn't want to sign it, there were three or four people he wouldn't support. >> at the same time fox is asking to join. i think ultimately, even if the former president signs it to get on the debate stage, it doesn't mean -- there's enough evidence. we've seen this play out before. it doesn't mean he's going to actually hold true to it and support the eventual nominee if it isn't him. i think right now, i'd be surprised if the former president actually joins the debate stage. he has said over and over again to paul's point, that he doesn't think it would help him, he's so far ahead in the polls. he's threatened to counterprogram. when i talk to republican strategists across swing states they say, look, trump could just drop in somewhere, command a crowd of thousands, and that's all he needs to do. he doesn't have to be there every day the way other candidates do. >> these candidates are all looking for their breakout moment. oh, nikki haley. oh oh, ron desantis. vivek ramaswamy started rapping at the fair. a tribute to eminem. take a listen. ♪ he opens his mouth but the words won't come out ♪ ♪ everybody is joking now ♪ ♪ back to reality, up there goes gravity ♪ >> so that happened. any thoughts? first of all, he's trying to lean in to young voters, but i will say that the people who like that song are oldies like you and me, gen xers, do you know who -- >> yes. millennialtion like him. >> he found the one white rapper. look. i can't get too worked up about it one way or the other. i don't like performative politics necessarily. >> it was good rapping. >> i think ramaswamy has been very effective at meeting a big chunk of the republican electorate that's paying attention, that's tuned in to all this stuff, by being a bomb thrower and an entertaining guy. i think he's probably the second choice for a lot of trump pers as opposed to ron desantis. the whole plan was that he was going to be the alternative to donald trump. i think ramaswamy is kind of a lightweight when it comes to the actual substance of things, but so is donald trump, and that's been very successful. >> paul, on the democratic side, robert kennedy jr. made an eye-catching remark over the weekend. well, this is what he told a reporter, i think an nbc reporter about whether or not there should be a ban on abortion. >> i believe that a decision to abort a child should be up to the woman during the first three weeks of life. >> so you could cap it at 15 weeks? >> yes. >> or 21 weeks? >> yeah, three months. >> you would sign a federal cap on that? >> yes. >> hours later his campaign put out a statement that read in part, quote, mr. kennedy's position on abortion is that it's always the woman's right to choose. he doesn't support legislation banning abortion. the campaign tried to blame this on, there was bad sound or whatever. >> he said it three or four times in that interview. he kept coming back to it. it's not 15 weeks. it's 12. do the math, bobby. it's 12. when his uncle teddy was running against romney for the senate. teddy said in the debate, mit, you're not pro choice, you're multiple choice. bobby is now multiple choice. >> do you think this is going to hurt robert kennedy or do you think people, 10% to 19% of the democrats in certain polls say they support him, do you think they don't care, they're just anti-biden? >> he's definitely benefiting from the anti-biden wing. i don't see how you actually make a viable case in the democratic primary, one where you can potentially win which i don't think he can at all, and that's safe to say, and say that you support a national ban on abortion at 12 weeks, at three months. this is such a salient issue for democratic voters, and even independent voters. the voters that republicans or an independent candidate is going to try to have to win over if they want to make a viable case. all the voters that i've checked in with in these swing states that are maybe on the fence, they say that abortion is one of their biggest issues. >> especially since roe v. wade was overturned, which is one of the reasons it was so staggering that he didn't seem to have a position articulated at the time. this is kind of important to democratic voters. >> i kind of welcomed it. it's been much commented upon on my side of the aisle about how republicans don't have the vocabulary to talk about abortion because they can hide behind roe v. wade all this time. it's nice to see democrats not have the vocabulary either. >> i'm not sure how many people consider him a democrat at this point. thanks so much. an emotional court appearance today, six mississippi law enforcement officers who called themselves the goon squad accused of torturing two black men. the reaction from those men ahead. use priceline, they'vet deals no one else has. what about work? 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>> guilty. >> reporter: the men admitted to calling themselves the goon squad, giving themselves that moniker because of their alleged willingness to use excessive force and not report their actions. on january 24th, the six officers entered the victim's hope without a warrant, handcuffed, repeatedly tased and attempted to sexually assault the two men after a white neighbor complained about suspicious activity at the home. it ended with jenkins getting shot in the mouth. >> they left him lying in a pool of blood, gathered on the porch of the house to discuss how to cover it up. >> reporter: in july i spoke to parker, jenkins and jenkins' mother, and cnn toured the home where the crimes occurred. >> it's hard to stay here knowing what happened here. >> reporter: jenkins' injuries make it difficult for him to speak. >> it hurt. embarrassed. >> has anyone from the department ever reached out to you and apologized? have they ever asked for anything at all? >> no. >> reporter: rankin county sheriff, brian bailey, who is also named in a federal lawsuit by the victims but does not face any charges spoke about the incident in late june. >> i believe in my heart that this department remains one of the best. >> reporter: he later apologized saying he didn't initially fully understand the gravity of the crimes. today he issued a statement saying in part, we hope today's guilty pleas bring some sense of justice to the two victims in this case. jake, when you think about the pain this family had to go through, mary jenkins said she didn't think her son was going to survive this. now the big question moving forward, how many other victims have been involved with this goon squad? 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>> well, first of all, i'm really excited about the ruling. it's been a long time coming. we've waited three years, being part of this case and we've known about human-caused climate change for at least half a century. getting a ruling that listens to or stories and our voices and the best available science is just really important. yeah. all we can do is the actions that are in our control moving forward. whether that's as individuals or states, we can take responsibility, and all generations are involved in that. >> ricky, the office of montana's attorney general said this ruling is absurd but not surprising from a judge who let the plaintiff's attorneys put on a week-long taxpayer publicity stunt. montana is expected to appeal the ruling. you just graduated from college. will you continue this fight if the state appeals? >> yeah. julia can talk about this more. if it gets appealed, we'll go to the montana supreme court and it will continue, yeah. >> julia, on a practical level, what does this ruling accomplish beyond, obviously, the symbolic victory? this ruling is monumental. it's one of the most important rulings on climate change in the history of the world. what happened in montana was experts, climate scientists, medical professionals and the youth like ricky took the stand and they told the truth about what's happening to the planet and to montana and to the health of these young people. and what the ruling will do is it will stop fossil fuel pollution, not overnight in montana but it does really hamper the state's ability to continue to improve new fossil fuel projects. the judge says it's unconstitutional to continue to do so. and the state's going to have to look hard at continuing to allow fossil fuel development and emissions in montana going forward. >> but if the state does appeal the ruling and it goes to the montana supreme court, is that friendly terrain for your case, do you think, julia? >> i think the montana supreme court is a very fair and thoughtful court, that it is willing to uphold the montana constitution and protect the rights of the people of montana, including its youth. so we think we have a really fair shot. and in the meanwhile, the judge's opinion is the law of the land in the state of montana and the state's required to comply with it. >> and do you plan on doing this in other states? >> we do. we have a hawaii trial set for june 2024. we're going to the utah supreme court, and we're also in the virginia court of appeals in addition to our big federal case the julianna versus united states litigation. we are aiming to get to trial early next year. >> julia and ricky, congratulations to both of you and thank you for your time today. turning to our health lead, stroke is the fifth most common cause of death in the united states and for those who do survive, strokes often leave them disabled. now for the first time a deep brain still lmulateor can help move. >> reporter: stan nicholas was a born performer. ♪ people say i'm crazing doing what i'm doing ♪ >> reporter: a founder of the cleveland-based burnt river band, he spent decades on stage, but it all came to a halt one evening in 2017. he was 66 years old. >> i lost my balance and i fell to the floor. every time i got halfway up, my knees would buckle and i'd fall down again. >> reporter: 14 hours later, a friend found him on the floor. >> i was checked into the university hospital in downtown cleveland where i woke up with a doctor standing over me. i asked the doctor if i had died. the doctor said you had a bad stroke. >> reporter: this is what stan's brain looked like a few days later. all that dark part on the left, that's the part of stan's brain that died because it hadn't received enough blood. >> i couldn't walk when i got up. i couldn't move my left arm or my left hand. i thought i was going to be disabled for life. i've had a lot of therapy. >> within a few months, all that stan was able to do was take a few steps and then he simply plateaued. when you first saw him, what was the expectation for his recovery. >> the expectation was poor. he was more than a year out from his stroke. he had already undergone physical therapy, occupational therapy and despite the early improvements, it wasn't improving. >> that why dr. andre machado offered something to stand that was -- to stan that was a first in humans, a deep brain stimulateor. you may have heard of this for parkinson's disease but this was specifically to help stan recover from the stroke. >> stan had weakness but was able to walk with his left leg. but it's arm, he was unable to close and open his hand and lifting his arms. he was having difficulties. >> he had enormous difficulty using his hand for any useful activity on the left side. >> since september of 2020, three years after his stroke, stan underwent an eight-hour long operation where this 1.3 millimeter probe, which is as wide as a grain of sand, was placed into the cerebellum of his brain. >> he had physical therapy, stimulateor placed. >> how soon after did you start to see any changes? >> within the first month i could lift my left arm, which i couldn't do. >> look at this. this can transition from being hope, which it is today to perhaps a treatment that will be a standard treatment in the future. >> reporter: for stan, it now means being able to lift independently. >> it's helped me out with my cooking, during my feels and eating and things around the house, yard work and household chores. >> reporter: and hopefully one day he'll be able to play again. dr. sanjay gupta, cnn, reporting. >> our thanks to sanjay gupta for that report. at the fulton county courthouse this evening, the grand jury is still working, well after 5 p.m. what we're learning about today's testimony as that investigation into 2020 election crimes could soon lead to an indictment. stay with us. ♪ this just in ♪ ♪ got the keys to what you want and what you need ♪ ♪ something new something sweet ♪ ♪ m moving to a different beat♪ ♪ okay now (what?) ♪ ♪ can i get a (get a) drumroll? 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we know they're still in there. >> it's after 5:00 right now. paula, walk us through what happens if the grand jury decides to indict donald trump and/or any of his allies. >> reporter: we expect the indictment also be for over a dozen people. the former president's lawyers say they do expect he will be among those indicted. we would expect the district attorney would seek an indictment from the grand jury and it would go to the clerk's office where we will most likely get our copy. then it will be made public and we'll be able to read about the charges. one of the things that's unclear, jake, is when the former president would appear for his initial appearance and a potential arraignment. in the federal cases that happened quickly. down in georgia, sources telling cnn that the former president's team expects it may take a little longer to have his first appearance down in georgia if he's indicted. >> paula reid, thanks so much. as those witnesses continue to testify before the grand jury in atlanta, donald trump is expecting he could be indicted at any moment. cnn's alayna treene joins us. how is trump's team preparing for this latest indictment? >> reporter: jake, they have a playbook now. they've had to respond to three previous indictments, and they're planning to use the same playbook with this potential indictment. they are lining up surrogates and allies, having them ready to respond to potential charges if they are filed. they've also spoken to conservative media and had them write pre written statements. they're preparing a response ahead of time for when or if an indictment in georgia does come. i'm also told that donald trump's team does expect that a potential arraignment, if he is indicted, would be in person. that he would have to show up in person in georgia and appear before the court. of course, that's an early guess from his team, from what they tell me. that's what they're anticipating at this time, jake. >> alayna treene, thanks so much. i want to bring in tom dupree, the former assistant attorney general under president george w. bush. we heard trump's team is expecting an indictment imminently. i know this is all speculation, but informed speculation. what kind of charges are you expecting? >> i think these are going to be broad charges. my strong suspicion is that fani willis will indict many witnesses. the other claim she might bring which i'm keeping an eye on is a rico charge. >> explain what that is. that's usually for gangsters. >> exactly. rico is a federal and state statute. what it basically does is allows prosecutors applying to a variety of situations. my strong hunch is they are looking seriously as bringing a rico-type complaint against president trump and his advisers for a conspiracy involving the election. >> we know donald trump leaned on secretary of state brad raffensperger to find the correct number of votes, to flip it. we know the prosecutor has evidence tieing the trump legal team to a breach of the election machines in a republican county. we know that there was a slate of fake electors that was submitted and not accepted. we know rudy giuliani went down there and met with legislators to talk about these wild and outlandish and disapproved claims about the election and telling them they should, therefore, flip the election to donald trump. is that a conspiracy to commit a crime? >> it should be. what you've articulated is what lawyers call predicate acts, discream criminal acts that you use to tie together a larger criminal conspiracy. there are items you mentioned, the call to brad raffensperger, voting machine alleged tampering, the slate of false electors. the other thing is more recent conduct by president trump or advisers to tamper with witnesses or otherwise obstruct justice. that would be something that was a little different in time, separated in time from the 2020 election. nonetheless, it could form a part of the charges she's about to bring. >> you talk about tampering with witnesses. our cnn colleague and former lieutenant governor geoff duncan who is a witness and testifying today, donald trump posted something on the social media site saying he shouldn't testify. is that witness tampering? >> well, a prosecutor can make a strong case that's witness tampering. if you have someone you know or reasonably expect is testifying either before the grand jury or before trial and you threaten or cajole or attempt to obstruct that testimony, sure, a prosecutor can make out a case for witness tampering. that seems to me at least a little too recent in time to form a basis for this indictment that presumably is forthcoming. it wouldn't surprise me if fani willis found other examples where people on the trump team used what she deems to be improper pressure to get witnesses not to testify. >> paula, there's a key difference in this case and the fed federal case. in georgia, trump cannot pardon himself even if he is elected president next november. >> reporter: that's right, jake. this is one of the reasons that the former president's legal team has been most concerned about georgia. not only the evidence that many of us are familiar with like that call with the secretary of state, many other key pieces of evidence that fani willis has gathered. once this case is brought, if he's indicted, he can't make it go away. if he's re-elected to the white house, most legal experts agree he would likely have his handpicked attorney general fire the special counsel. he also has his pardon power, likely for himself and certainly for others. but the state of georgia, that is beyond the reach of even the president of the united states. there's no mechanism for him to make this case go away even if he is re-elected. >> so what happens, tom? what happens if donald trump -- let's presume the verdict doesn't come in until after november 2024, and let's presume for the sake of this exercise that he wins which could happen, both the nomination and the presidency. what happens if a georgia jury says he's guilty of xyz, rico has a five-year minimum sentence. the president of the united states goes to prison? >> i think there are a few hurdles they'd have to get through to make that happen. in that scenario, president trump would say you need to exercise discretion and not sentence him to jail time. in other words, he's the duly elected new president of the united states, and you should either suspend the sentence, allow him to serve as president. the second argument the trump team would make is it infringes on his constitutional duty to execute the laws of the united states, it would be unconstitutional to force an incumbent president of the united states to serve jail time on a state charge. we're a long way away from that point. those arguments have never succeeded, have never needed to be presented. that's the sort of argument you would see if the scenario played out as articulated. >> we should note if a thing and a verdict happened before the presidential election, he could run for president from prison. it's happened before. eugene debs in the '20s or something was a presidential candidate who had been put in prison for violating the sedition act of all things. >> absolutely right. you have to dig pretty far back in our nation's history to find something even remotely analogous. our founders probably didn't envision the scenario we find ourselves in today. >> we see trump attacking d.a. fani willis on his truth social page, even as she's in that building possibly preparing an indictment against him. >> reporter: that's right. this is nothing new. he's repeatedly attacked fani willis, calling her a marxist, a racist, today pointing out the crime issues in the city of atlanta, suggesting she should be focusing on that instead of this indictment. similar to the attacks he launched against the mann district attorney who also indicted him in a second case. lawyers who have worked for the former president have made the argument to me that there are legitimate questions about whether elected district attorneys, in this case, a democratic prosecutor, should be able to file charges against a former president of the united states, or if that's something that should be reserved for the justice department and for special counsel. the former president not making that nuanced argument, instead calling people, quote, nasty disa disasters, marxists, leftists, and launching personal attacks. behind the scenes his lawyers have other questions that i do think are going to become a theme in the court of public opinion, but probably not on truth social. >> paula reid and tom dupree, thanks to both of you. growing questions and fewer answers as more videos emerge showing live power lines flung into the air were the deadly fires erupted. the first-of-its-kind implant that could change the lives of stroke survivors. cnn's sanjay gupta follows one patient who could barely walk before and is now doing yard work. ♪ ("drumroll" by lónis, little league ) ♪ ( ♪ ♪ ) ♪ this just in ♪ ♪ got the keys to what you want and what you need ♪ ♪ something new something sweet ♪ ♪ moving to a different beat ♪ ♪ okay now (what?) ♪ ♪ can i get a (get a) drumroll? 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[ bleep ]. nobody came to help us. we rely on people like you guys that have compassion like we do, that are willing to help us because, please, we need help. we need help. the next step -- this is just the first inning. this is the first inning of what we're facing. >> tourism is our number one source of income. i would hope that our representatives, our politicians, our government would ask the people from here when can we open. they shouldn't be telling us, oh, we want to open six months from now. the truth of the matter is, when you look at the overall devastation, we are not going to be ready to allow people to see what we're living through in six months. >> reporter: archie says he hopes this outpouring from around the world for maui is sustainable beyond these weeks, into next year, the years it will take to rebuild. they're very hopeful they can rebuild in a sustainable way to avoid the addiction to fossil fuels that set up the addictions to this. multigenerational hawaiians who are being priced out of these paradise settings right now. the soul is being sent out. they want to keep this from happening ever again. >> bill weir in maui, thank you very much. let's go to cnn's nick watt. nick, so many questions remain about how this fire started and how it got as bad as it did. today new information about how power lines on the island might have played a role. >> that's right, jake. the local utility is under increasing scrutiny. did downed power lines spark the fires? should they have done more over the years to prepare for something like this? and should they have preemptively shut down the grid in such high winds? a class action lawsuit has already been filed against the power company and it reads in part, by failing to shut off power during these dangerous fire conditions defendants caused loss of life. here is the pushback, specific to a formal power program, we like most utilities do not have one t hawaiian electric spokesperson told cnn. he said shutoffs would have had to have been coordinated with the first responders because on m maui, quote, electricity powers the pumps needed for firefighting. he said the focus right now is on helping the recovery. >> nick, our investigative team uncovered some social media videos that focus on those power lines what do they seem to show? >> well, you know, these videos are ramping up the pressure. on the utility we see poles and pylons bending in high wind and downed power lines. listen to shane true as he films outside his house. >> heads up. the line is live on the ground right now. thank you. the power line is live. the power line, it started from up the road there. >> reporter: the utility has been making efforts at fire mitigation. last year they asked for nearly $190 million for a, quote, climate adaptation program. but in the previous four years, they did not remove any hazardous trees outside of the right-of-way around their equipment. utilities have been found at fault for fires in the past. here in california pg&e was found guilty of 84 counts of involuntary manslaughter for the fire that pretty much destroyed the town of paradise. now, i must stress there is no official cause yet for the fire that destroyed lahaina. clearly there were a few factors at play, those storm winds as well as a lot of dry vegetation. the big remaining question, what provided the sparks. jake. >> nick watt, thanks so much. joining us on the phone now is kakoa lansford, a resident of lahaina. a few days ago you said people were still finding bodies floating in the water. is that still the case? tell us what you're seeing there. >> - - there was bodies in the water. >> kakoa, thank you. i know there's a real problem with cell phone connectivity on maui. we're going to check back with you when we get a better connection so people can hear what you're saying, kakoa lansford, thank you. head to cnn.com/impact for a list of resources. you can text the word hawaii to this number, 707070. coming up, heartburn is not the only fallout from the iowa state fair. there's the 2024 presidential politics. that's next. will you pause it real quick? 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>> no. trump would be foolish to do so. he may do it because he's quite a foolish guy. is his ego bigger than his political sense. he gains nothing. he's 40 points ahead. by the way, i love the trolling. i do. i'm a small, horrible person. >> it's all aboveboard. for trump, that's -- >> he knows desantis who is very high in intellect but not quick witted. what if desantis looked up and said, oh, look, ladies and gentlemen, there's con air. maybe he's lost. desantis could have done this. >> you're like me with the con air reference. i take your point. laura, in order to join the debate stage trump would have to sign the rnc pledge, that you would support the nominee no matter who it is. trump said he didn't want to sign it, there were three or four people he wouldn't support. >> at the same time fox is asking to join. i think ultimately, even if the former president signs it to get on the debate stage, it doesn't mean -- there's enough evidence. we've seen this play out before. it doesn't mean he's going to actually hold true to it and support the eventual nominee if it isn't him. i think right now, i'd be surprised if the former president actually joins the debate stage. he has said over and over again to paul's point, that he doesn't think it would help him, he's so far ahead in the polls. he's threatened to counterprogram. when i talk to republican strategists across swing states they say, look, trump could just drop in somewhere, command a crowd of thousands, and that's all he needs to do. he doesn't have to be there every day the way other candidates do. >> these candidates are all looking for their breakout moment. oh, nikki haley. oh oh, ron desantis. vivek ramaswamy started rapping at the fair. a tribute to eminem. take a listen. ♪ he opens his mouth but the words won't come out ♪ ♪ everybody is joking now ♪ ♪ back to reality, up there goes gravity ♪ >> so that happened. any thoughts? first of all, he's trying to lean in to young voters, but i will say that the people who like that song are oldies like you and me, gen xers, do you know who -- >> yes. millennialtion like him. >> he found the one white rapper. look. i can't get too worked up about it one way or the other. i don't like performative politics necessarily. >> it was good rapping. >> i think ramaswamy has been very effective at meeting a big chunk of the republican electorate that's paying attention, that's tuned in to all this stuff, by being a bomb thrower and an entertaining guy. i think he's probably the second choice for a lot of trump pers as opposed to ron desantis. the whole plan was that he was going to be the alternative to donald trump. i think ramaswamy is kind of a lightweight when it comes to the actual substance of things, but so is donald trump, and that's been very successful. >> paul, on the democratic side, robert kennedy jr. made an eye-catching remark over the weekend. well, this is what he told a reporter, i think an nbc reporter about whether or not there should be a ban on abortion. >> i believe that a decision to abort a child should be up to the woman during the first three weeks of life. >> so you could cap it at 15 weeks? >> yes. >> or 21 weeks? >> yeah, three months. >> you would sign a federal cap on that? >> yes. >> hours later his campaign put out a statement that read in part, quote, mr. kennedy's position on abortion is that it's always the woman's right to choose. he doesn't support legislation banning abortion. the campaign tried to blame this on, there was bad sound or whatever. >> he said it three or four times in that interview. he kept coming back to it. it's not 15 weeks. it's 12. do the math, bobby. it's 12. when his uncle teddy was running against romney for the senate. teddy said in the debate, mit, you're not pro choice, you're multiple choice. bobby is now multiple choice. >> do you think this is going to hurt robert kennedy or do you think people, 10% to 19% of the democrats in certain polls say they support him, do you think they don't care, they're just anti-biden? >> he's definitely benefiting from the anti-biden wing. i don't see how you actually make a viable case in the democratic primary, one where you can potentially win which i don't think he can at all, and that's safe to say, and say that you support a national ban on abortion at 12 weeks, at three months. this is such a salient issue for democratic voters, and even independent voters. the voters that republicans or an independent candidate is going to try to have to win over if they want to make a viable case. all the voters that i've checked in with in these swing states that are maybe on the fence, they say that abortion is one of their biggest issues. >> especially since roe v. wade was overturned, which is one of the reasons it was so staggering that he didn't seem to have a position articulated at the time. this is kind of important to democratic voters. >> i kind of welcomed it. it's been much commented upon on my side of the aisle about how republicans don't have the vocabulary to talk about abortion because they can hide behind roe v. wade all this time. it's nice to see democrats not have the vocabulary either. >> i'm not sure how many people consider him a democrat at this point. thanks so much. an emotional court appearance today, six mississippi law enforcement officers who called themselves the goon squad accused of torturing two black men. the reaction from those men ahead. use priceline, they'vet deals no one else has. what about work? 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>> guilty. >> reporter: the men admitted to calling themselves the goon squad, giving themselves that moniker because of their alleged willingness to use excessive force and not report their actions. on january 24th, the six officers entered the victim's hope without a warrant, handcuffed, repeatedly tased and attempted to sexually assault the two men after a white neighbor complained about suspicious activity at the home. it ended with jenkins getting shot in the mouth. >> they left him lying in a pool of blood, gathered on the porch of the house to discuss how to cover it up. >> reporter: in july i spoke to parker, jenkins and jenkins' mother, and cnn toured the home where the crimes occurred. >> it's hard to stay here knowing what happened here. >> reporter: jenkins' injuries make it difficult for him to speak. >> it hurt. embarrassed. >> has anyone from the department ever reached out to you and apologized? have they ever asked for anything at all? >> no. >> reporter: rankin county sheriff, brian bailey, who is also named in a federal lawsuit by the victims but does not face any charges spoke about the incident in late june. >> i believe in my heart that this department remains one of the best. >> reporter: he later apologized saying he didn't initially fully understand the gravity of the crimes. today he issued a statement saying in part, we hope today's guilty pleas bring some sense of justice to the two victims in this case. jake, when you think about the pain this family had to go through, mary jenkins said she didn't think her son was going to survive this. now the big question moving forward, how many other victims have been involved with this goon squad? 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>> well, first of all, i'm really excited about the ruling. it's been a long time coming. we've waited three years, being part of this case and we've known about human-caused climate change for at least half a century. getting a ruling that listens to or stories and our voices and the best available science is just really important. yeah. all we can do is the actions that are in our control moving forward. whether that's as individuals or states, we can take responsibility, and all generations are involved in that. >> ricky, the office of montana's attorney general said this ruling is absurd but not surprising from a judge who let the plaintiff's attorneys put on a week-long taxpayer publicity stunt. montana is expected to appeal the ruling. you just graduated from college. will you continue this fight if the state appeals? >> yeah. julia can talk about this more. if it gets appealed, we'll go to the montana supreme court and it will continue, yeah. >> julia, on a practical level, what does this ruling accomplish beyond, obviously, the symbolic victory? this ruling is monumental. it's one of the most important rulings on climate change in the history of the world. what happened in montana was experts, climate scientists, medical professionals and the youth like ricky took the stand and they told the truth about what's happening to the planet and to montana and to the health of these young people. and what the ruling will do is it will stop fossil fuel pollution, not overnight in montana but it does really hamper the state's ability to continue to improve new fossil fuel projects. the judge says it's unconstitutional to continue to do so. and the state's going to have to look hard at continuing to allow fossil fuel development and emissions in montana going forward. >> but if the state does appeal the ruling and it goes to the montana supreme court, is that friendly terrain for your case, do you think, julia? >> i think the montana supreme court is a very fair and thoughtful court, that it is willing to uphold the montana constitution and protect the rights of the people of montana, including its youth. so we think we have a really fair shot. and in the meanwhile, the judge's opinion is the law of the land in the state of montana and the state's required to comply with it. >> and do you plan on doing this in other states? >> we do. we have a hawaii trial set for june 2024. we're going to the utah supreme court, and we're also in the virginia court of appeals in addition to our big federal case the julianna versus united states litigation. we are aiming to get to trial early next year. >> julia and ricky, congratulations to both of you and thank you for your time today. turning to our health lead, stroke is the fifth most common cause of death in the united states and for those who do survive, strokes often leave them disabled. now for the first time a deep brain still lmulateor can help move. >> reporter: stan nicholas was a born performer. ♪ people say i'm crazing doing what i'm doing ♪ >> reporter: a founder of the cleveland-based burnt river band, he spent decades on stage, but it all came to a halt one evening in 2017. he was 66 years old. >> i lost my balance and i fell to the floor. every time i got halfway up, my knees would buckle and i'd fall down again. >> reporter: 14 hours later, a friend found him on the floor. >> i was checked into the university hospital in downtown cleveland where i woke up with a doctor standing over me. i asked the doctor if i had died. the doctor said you had a bad stroke. >> reporter: this is what stan's brain looked like a few days later. all that dark part on the left, that's the part of stan's brain that died because it hadn't received enough blood. >> i couldn't walk when i got up. i couldn't move my left arm or my left hand. i thought i was going to be disabled for life. i've had a lot of therapy. >> within a few months, all that stan was able to do was take a few steps and then he simply plateaued. when you first saw him, what was the expectation for his recovery. >> the expectation was poor. he was more than a year out from his stroke. he had already undergone physical therapy, occupational therapy and despite the early improvements, it wasn't improving. >> that why dr. andre machado offered something to stand that was -- to stan that was a first in humans, a deep brain stimulateor. you may have heard of this for parkinson's disease but this was specifically to help stan recover from the stroke. >> stan had weakness but was able to walk with his left leg. but it's arm, he was unable to close and open his hand and lifting his arms. he was having difficulties. >> he had enormous difficulty using his hand for any useful activity on the left side. >> since september of 2020, three years after his stroke, stan underwent an eight-hour long operation where this 1.3 millimeter probe, which is as wide as a grain of sand, was placed into the cerebellum of his brain. >> he had physical therapy, stimulateor placed. >> how soon after did you start to see any changes? 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