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The grand jury handling Donald Trumps Election Subversion Case is meeting right now, with indictment number 4 possible in the coming days. Why this case in georgia could create some of his most complicated legal problems yet. The death toll on maui keeps climbing. 96 confirmed fatalities now, with that number sadly expected to rise as Search And Rescue forge ahead. And the power companys now facing a lawsuit for not cutting electricity when forecasters were warning about powerful wind gusts. And almost two years after the chaotic u. S. Exit from afghanistan allies who fled the taliban and were promised a home in the United States say theyre now being sent back. We are following these major developing stories and many more all coming in right here to cnn news central. Potential indictment number 4 of former President Donald Trump could be days if not hours away. Today a grand jury in atlanta is hearing the culmination of a yearslong probe into efforts to overturn georgias 2020 election results. Fulton County District attorney fani willis is presenting the case, and cnn has recently learned about a key piece of evidence, messages directly tying Donald Trumps team to a breach of sensitive Voting Systems, a breach that was caught on this Security Footage you see from january of 2021. Lets take you now to atlanta and cnns paula reid, whos outside the courthouse for us live. Paula, youve been watching closely to see whos been coming in and out of court all day. What are you seeing . Reporter thats right. Well, boris, the grand jury has already heard today from two witnesses, at least two witnesses. Both of these witnesses are former Georgia State lawmakers. Now, both are democratic former state senators, jen jordan and bee nguyen. They both allegedly witnessed a conspiracyladen presentation from then trump attorney rudy giuliani. Now, were just getting new breaking news from our colleague sara murray that another witness who was supposed to testify tomorrow, an independent journalist, george chidi, he was supposed to testify tomorrow but were learning from this reporting from sara that the case is moving so quickly theyre actually going to call him in today. We still expect the District Attorney is going to need two days to fully present their case. Shes been investigating this for over two years, and we know that at least one of the witnesses expected tomorrow is the former republican Lieutenant Governor of georgia, geoff duncan. And paula, notably theres been a flurry of activity at the courthouse. Theres also been a flurry of activity on Donald Trumps social media accounts trying to discredit all of it, right . Reporter thats right. On social media he has gone after not only geoff duncan suggesting he, quote, shouldnt testify and dismissing him as a, quote, nasty disaster, hes also attacked the District Attorney, fani willis. Now, this is not new. He has previously called her a racist, a marxist. But in these new social media posts he has suggested that she is just, quote, out to get trump. Now, boris, some of the former president s associates, theyve told me they think there are legitimate concerns about whether elected prosecutors, in this case a democratic prosecutor, should be able to file charges against former president s. They say that could set a dangerous precedent. But thats not the argument the former president is making here on social media. He appears to be pressuring a witness and knocking the District Attorney for Crime Problems in atlanta. All of this comes amid new cnn reporting about just how much evidence the District Attorney has. Our colleagues over the weekend breaking the story that prosecutors are in the possession of Text Messages that we have learned reveal that the former president and his associates were part of an effort to breach Voting Systems in Rural Georgia as part of an effort to overturn the election. Paula reid reporting from outside the courthouse in atlanta. Thank you so much. Jim . Lets dig deeper. Shannon mckifry, Senior Editor for the atlanta journalconstitutions trump grand jury team. And elliot williams, cnn legal analyst, former federal prosecutor. Elliot, i do want to begin with you because we have this news now that the independent journalist george chidi who witnessed the events there on the day, the legislature attempting to overturn the election, was expected to appear tomorrow, now appearing today. What does that tell you about the progress of this grand jury hearing . Does it mean we might hear a decision today . Well, its clear that theyre moving along. Its clear that theyre working. You never know what can lead to a witnesss appearance. And frankly, it may have been Something Like a personal conflict on the part of an attorney or the witness. It may be nothing or it may be theyre trying to move toward indictment very soon. Hes certainly a very important witness because its not just that he witnesses this exchange happen, he also witnesses the fact that they in effect lie to him about what theyre doing. They say this is i believe an educational meeting, which is notable in that it shows knowledge of wrongdoing, knowledge of criminal wrongdoing on the part of the people being investigated. It will be interesting to see what comes of his testimony. Thats a great point because intent with so many of the charges in this case and others is so key. Shannon mccaffrey, you and your team have been following this closer than anyone i imagine in recent weeks and months, and a lot of following a grand jury is about watching Court Filings and which Court Employees are moving to which room to appear before which judge at which time. As your team has been watching this, do you have a sense of where things stand . Yeah, we have a fairly large team at the courthouse today that are trying to catch folks coming and going. We did see State Representative former State Representative bee nguyen and state senator jen jordan today. We saw Gabe Sterling entering the building as well, folks from the 2020 election will recall he was the person who was often providing an update on what the real Voter Information was as Conspiracy Theorys were going around. Weve been waiting on this case for about 2 1 2 years now. Now it does appear we are ready to go. Fani williss team is moving forward now with haste now that they actually are presenting their case to a grand jury. Elliot, as this happens, trump as he has been wont to do in previous cases, appeared to apply pressure on one of the key witnesses in this case, that is, Former Georgia Lieutenant Governor, cnn contributor and republican geoff duncan. I want to read from his posting. He says, i am reading reports that failed former Lieutenant Governor of georgia geoff duncan, that is misspelled we should note, will be testifying before the Fulton County grand jury. He shouldnt. Then he goes on to say i barely know him as he often says about people who worked with him very closely. Is that can that be construed as witness tampering, to make a Public Statement like that to your many followers . It could certainly be construed as witness tampering. What the standard is including in georgia and in the federal system is that an individual who knowingly uses threats or intimidation to try to influence, delay or prevent someones testimony can be witness tampering. Now, that statement alone, jim, to be candid is not going to be sufficient for witness tampering. But its certainly something the judge will consider. It will certainly earn the former President A Warning from the judge. And if conduct like that continues then certainly absolutely you could be charged with a criminal offense of tampering with witnesses. And in fact, when youre looking at a Racketeering Investigation where the prosecutors will be investigating a series of criminal acts, they can also fold Witness Intimidation into that if thats what theyre looking into. And as we should note in the case already under way here the judge has explicitly warned trump against this kind of Public Statement. Shannon, i want to ask you a question because one thing several of the key witnesses in this case have in common, whether youre talking about a geoff duncan or Brad Raffensperger or the governor brian kemp, theyre all republicans. And they were pressured by the former president to overturn results of the former election and pushed back and refused and have criticized his activity here. The former president has attempted to portray all this as he often does as a partisan witch hunt, et cetera. In georgia given that many of those involved in this are in fact republicans themselves involved as witnesses against the former president , how is that being received . Is he successfully tainting this case as a partisan case . Well, trump still has very strong support here in georgia. He and brian kemp have famously had a strained relationship for quite a while. He also has had a strained relationship with Brad Raffensperger ever since that phone call. So you know, as with trump in other places, there are folks who are Still Standing by him very strongly. You know, a new poll had him up by double digits against any of his possible competitors. You know, there are some folks who believe that only republicans will be able to sort of legitimately make a case against donald trump because they are on his side. But it hasnt seemed to matter yet. I mean, brian kemp has still managed to do well in georgia even though donald trump has his own support. So i guess it remains to be seen. Well see a lot more when this indictment actually comes out and we see what those folks have to say. Well, im sure well have you back when we see what that ultimate decision is. Shannon mccaffrey, elliot williams, thanks so much to both of you. Boris. Donald trumps potential fourth indictment, which could come as soon as tomorrow, does not seem to be slowing down the former president s 2024 campaign. Trump seized the spotlight at the Iowa State Fair this weekend, drawing massive crowds and at the same time overshadowing his republican rivals. Cnn political director David Chalian joins us now. And david, you are fresh off a visit to the Iowa State Fair. Donald trump seems to make each of his legal troubles central to his campaign and this looming fourth indictment is no different. No different. They have a playbook they employ. They use it to really juice grassroots donations. He uses it from a Messaging Spe Perspective of being a victim of what he calls a political persecution. That rallies and fortifies his supporters to come to his defense. And it is inextricable from his campaign at this point. It is his campaign, his legal defense. And we have seen since the indictment started his fundraising has gone up and his poll numbers have gone up. Did you get a chance to speak to voters there that shared any hesitation over how the legal trouble might play in 2024 . Oh, speak to a lot of voters who have that hesitation. More than half the republicans in iowa are looking for a nontrump alternative. They havent coalesced around any one person for that. But it is not it is quite clear that there is a path here for somebody in this field to really consolidate that support and what is the reason when you do talk to a voter who has trepidations about it . Its that they think donald trump is going to have so much baggage, specifically with independent voters, that he wont be the best person for the party to put forth to beat joe biden in the fall. That winning argument, that he may not be the one most likely to win, is a palpable argument you hear from folks. On the question of that coalescing of the other candidates, its almost like a split screen, like you see donald trump and theres this passion among his supporters and you see a lot of other events where there isnt as much energy. But how do those candidates then coalesce around someone . How do they get to where he is at least in polling . Yeah. There is the trump show and then theres the more traditional president ial campaign thats happening. And that was on display at the state fair. I know so yes, he comes in and he dominates. He dominates the headlines. He certainly gets the largest crowd. But i dont know that we know that that is at the detriment necessarily of some of his competitors. I spent an hour Walking Around the state fair with ron desantis. He was meeting a ton of voters. He was getting all those friendly images with his family, his young kids on the bumper cars. Thats all positive stuff for him. And by the way, his campaign has been out organizing. Theyve got in every single county they have a campaign chair. Hes hit 38 of the 99 counties in iowa, says hell get the full 99 by the fall. So he is there doing the work, as nikki haley, mike pence, others are as well. Do you think it comes down to a difference in who shakes the most amount of hands versus who dominates the headlines . What do you think will yield the best results . I mean, i think there is no doubt youre not going to be able to shake enough hands to actually win the Iowa Caucuses necessarily, but i do think that that is important as each of that county by county organization. It is also true that donald trump is more organized as a campaign and a candidate than he was back in 2015 and 2016. They have a ton of data from his term as president and the 16 and 20 election to be able to target voters and they are doing that as well. He had a Volunteer Force that was quite apparent at the fair separate and apart from his brief visit. Fascinating to watch. Unprecedented in so many ways. David chalian, always a pleasure. Thanks so much. Jim . Coming up, new updates on the just horrific fires on maui. 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