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>> the entire historic town of lahaina burned to the ground. the images of cars totally -- they have been demolished and we saw a group cars near the ocean, and it is quite clear that the occupants of those cars probably fled into the ocean, and i was told that at least 12 people were rescued from the ocean in that location, but to see all of these charred, totally demolished cars, but the scenes of devastation will stay with me, and that is why i really thank the president for declaring an emergency declaration within hours of being asked to do that by the state of hawaii, and i was there with the family federal agencies including the administrator of fema, sba, u.s. fire, 150 fema people were there and they brought in cadaver dogs to continue the search. >> what is it like for you on a personal level and on an emotional level to see this kind of destruction and loss of life in your beloved home state. >> many of us have stayed in lahaina. i did, too, and it is an iconic town, and so many people went there because it is very, very historic. it was the seat of the monarchy, the capital of the monarchy and there were many historic buildings including, i have to say this massive banyan tree, 150 years old, the oldest banyan tree in the country, and my hope is that it is -- that it will be restored and very importantly, yes, as i said yesterday we are in a period of mourning and loss as we search for more people who are still unaccounted for. some of them have been found in the shelters. i visited one with some 400 residents sleeping on cots, and we are going to need to provide them with short-term and long-term house,ing, but we are all there to do that. >> ordinary hawaii residents have been mobilizing to support the victims of the fires and fema is there and other government agencies. my colleague bill weir is reporting from maui, and he's hearing from people there who are still desperate for more help from the government, people who are wondering where is the navy? where is the army? why isn't the military flooding into the region and where are the hospital ships, et cetera? are you satisfied that everything possible is being done to ensure that these hawaiians are getting all of the help they need from the government? >> i can understand why there is frustration because, as i say, we are in a period of shock and loss. from what i can see the government agencies are there and they will set up areas so people can come and people can get their driver's licenses restored and yes, they'll need a lot of help and from what i saw there is a pledge. president biden called me directly to pledge his support because we know that recovery will be long and the resources will be necessary. i have also heard from my senate colleagues. chuck schumer and others pledging their support. it will take a lot of resources and the focus right now is truly on the recovery, there are still people who are unaccounted for. they need to be identified. there is a call for people to come in to provide dna. so we are in the, still, i would say the initial phases, but we will do everything we can to provide the kind of support that people will need. >> we are also hearing from hawaiians questions about how this could have happened? there was a statewide assessment released last year saying that the threat to hawaii residents to wildfires was low. a 2021 maui report on wildfire prevention efforts found the fire department had no actual plan for preventing fires and as you've heard personally many maui residents said they didn't receive any official warnings before it was too late and state officials are acknowledging that none of the 80 warning sirens on maui were ever activated. why do you think officials were so unprepared for this? >> i'm not going to make any excuses for this tragedy, but the attorney general has launched a review of what happened with those sirens and some of the other actions that were taken. so that is happening, and there will be time enough, i would say, for those reviews and investigations to occur, but we are really focused, as far as i'm concerned of the need for rescue and, well, the location of -- we know, sadly, more bodies, and as we talk with the people with this large place where the residents were that, yes, we're going to need to provide a lot of support, and that is why i'm asking for, and i expect to receive bipartisan support for additional funds that will enable us to recover. that recovery is going take time. it is not going to be overnight by any means. it will take years. this is an entire town that has burned to the ground. some 11,000 residents live there, and of the tourists who were there, thousands were evacuated to o thatahu, mainly the airlines stepped up to limit their fees and the hotels have also stepped up to provide lodging for our visitors, so i think that we are doing a lot in order to provide the kind of support we need, to be providing, but there will always be the call for more, and my hope and expectation is that all of that will come. >> experts warn that extreme disasters such as this one are only becoming more common because climate change is fueling stronger storms, hotter temperatures. >> yes. >> more widespread droughts and earlier this week, president biden incorrectly claimed he was give emergency, given what you see on the ground, do you want president biden to actually declare a climate emergency? >> i think that we very much need to acknowledge that climate change is upon us. there are whole states, by the way, jake, where you can't even use the word climate change because they have a hide in the sand attitude. the inflation reduction act provided $300 billion to combat climate change and to move us away from continuing reliance on fossil fuels. yes, there is more that needs to be done and there will be lessons learned from this ongoing tragedy for the other counties as well as the county of maui. clearly, wildfires is an occurrence in hawaii. people don't realize that acres have burneded in hawaii as in so many other states and in percentage of acreage burned hawaii is on par with other states. there's not enough recognition that we will need to combat these kind of wildfires and we've had situations where the tremendously high winds that were attended to hurricane dora just resulted in these flames just leaping and spreading and just -- just -- i can't even tell you how fast the flames spread. so we need to be assessing our ability to contend with these kinds of natural occurring disasters which we are seeing more of, and the frequency and the damage that is done, clearly, this is happening all across the world. >> yeah. >> senator, mazie hirono, we thank you for your time and our thoughts and prayers. >> thank you. >> go out to the people of hawaii this morning. thank you so much for being with us. >> thank you. >> for those of you at home looking for ways to help that way wildfire victims you can head to cnn.com/impact. cnn.com/impact where we have a list of vetted resources or you can donate by texting word hawaii h-a-w-a-i-i to 707070. coming up next, shocking new evidence in georgia's election interference probe. we'll talk to one of donald trump's rivals in the presidential race about it next, and a potential hunter biden trial in the middle of his dad's campaign? 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prosecutors say according to our sources that they have evidence that the trump team was involved in this breach of election equipment. >> well, as someone who helped build cybersecurity companies, i think this is an example of how this is not about the first amendment. this is about a president trying to overturn an election and creating a conspiracy. this kind of infrastructure is considered critical infrastructure and it's supposed to be defended. the trump team tried to get access in other places and they went through the legal process and courts gave access to some of the information. in this case, they weren't getting it so they tried to take it themselves, and to me, it's an indication of how fragile our election system is, and how donald trump's efforts were making us -- increased our lack trust in our systems, and one more example of why donald trump is running for president is because he's trying to stay out of jail because as more of this information comes out, and as the american people recognizes the extent of his baggage, they're getting sick and tired of it. >> do polls indicate that republicans are, though? because all of the polls i've seen suggest that most republicans believe this lie about the election that has been fed to them by not only donald trump, but fox and other right-wing media and other people on capitol hill who are lying about the election being stolen. >> sure. >> -- when obviously we know that's not the case. >> these are the same pollsters that thought issue one in ohio was going to pass, and it ended up getting crushed by 18%. these are the same people in that 2022 said kevin mccarthy would have a 40+ majority in the house and it ended up in five. here's the reality, when i criss-cross the state whether i'm in new hampshire, alabama, california, people say you're right, he is running to stay out of prison. i'm not questioning his front-runner status, but what i am saying is that many people don't want to see donald trump or joe biden be the nominees and people are looking for something different, and guess what? if they want to have these things happen and if those people want to see something different, i need them to go to hurd for america.com and help me get on the debate stage so we can talk about these things and all i need is one dollar ever a r r of a donation to make sure i hit the thresholds. >> in order to be on the stage you need to hit a polling threshold and a donor threshold, 40,000 donor and you need to find the rnc pledge. you think you will hit the polling and donors threshold? >> that's correct. that's correct. i'm hoping that at the end of this conversation i can say all of the jake tapper's friends watching tv helped me get over the 40,000 threshold by going to hurd for america.com, but look, jake, i said it ago. i'm not going to lie to get access to a meeicrophone and i' never signed a contract without making amendments to it and since 2015 i've been the only person in the race that has been critical of donald trump and talked about how he's a national security threat, and so my goal is to hit all those requirements and force the conversation. oh, and guess what? donald trump hasn't even agreed to sign the debate pledge. donald trump hasn't eaven agree to show up to the debate and it was donald trump and his team that got the rnc to put in his loyalty oath because he wanted the other candidates to bend a knee to him. i'm not going to do that. i've been honest about that and we're working hard to hit those other requirements. >> the pledge says that whoever -- if you participate in the debate, you will support whoever the nominee is, and you're right, donald trump said yesterday or the day before that they're, like, three or four people that he would never support, so these expressed skepticism. but that does suggest, though, that donald trump who had said he wouldn't be on the debate stage and is that a campaign ender for you? >> no. a lot can happen in the next ten days and so i want to be able to force that conversation and see what happens. if donald trump doesn't participate, what is the rnc going to do? so there are a lot of variables at play here. my issue is not supporting the republican nominee. my issue is i'm not going to support donald trump. donald trump is not running for president to make america great again. donald trump is running for president to stay out prison. >> would you vote for president biden over president trump? my vote is to be for myself and that's plan a and that's what i'm focused on. >> i want to ask about hunter biden because a lot of colleagues, including house colleagues of yours are blasting attorney general merrick garland's appointment of special counsel david weiss in the hunter biden probe, they claim it's a cover-up to protect biden and some had asked to get special counsel powers. what do you make of that and what do you think of the appointment of the special counsel? >> i think a special counsel should have been appointed in this case. the question now this is the individual that tried to negotiate a sweetheart deal for hunter biden on those two other cases. the question is is he going to use the full extent of his powers in order to prosecute this or is this going to be an effort to shield information going to -- what do you think? >> look. time is going to tell. i've made it very clear that doj should show a level of tr. >> translator: patransparency, whether it's the documents case against donald trump or what's happening against hunter biden. there is a lack of truck in our institutions and the only way you can repair trust is by showing a level of transparency and that's what is called for in all of these cases and again, i think the -- the whistle-blower that talked about hunter biden calling his father when he had -- when he had clients on the line. here's the reality, the inner circle or the immediate family of a president should not be allowed to be lobbyists or consultants when their father or their husband is the president of the united states. >> yeah. that call just fyi took place in 2017 when biden -- when joe biden was not in office. i want to ask you about immigration because you're from -- you used to represent a border district and just on thursday, a 3-year-old child who was aboard a bus of asylum seekers died. the bus had been headed to chicago from texas as part of texas governor greg abbot's program sending asylum seekers that had come intoen democratic-run cities and obviously a horrible insent in these migrants and what about this little boy? >> any deaths should be prevened from happening, and a hundred people just died last month inhumane policies. >> because of open borders? >> because we're not stopping narc owe traffickers and human smugglers and we're not addressing root causes in places like the northern triangle. we should be upset about all of this and 5.5 million people coming into the country illegally is unacceptable. last year there was a drowning case -- two brodrowning cases a couple of weeks ago. last year 140 people drowned in the rio grande river and nobody was talking about that. the policies of joe biden are the ones that are inhumane. he needs to start treating human smugglers like terrorist organizations. we need to be addressing the fentanyl issue. i think fentanyl is the precursor of a weapon of mass destruction and we need to be treating it to that nfocus and donald trump was pretty terrible at that. these are things that we should be doing and these are the conversations that we should be having and this is why americans are sick and tired of both donald trump and joe biden and all of their legal baggage because there's a lot more issues we should be addressing that we haven't had the chance to do. >> congressman will hurd, always good to see you, sir. always good to have you in the studio. the attorney general picks a special counsel to investigate hunter biden. what will that look like? 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>> well, no one knows what the evidence is. so when they say this is a sweetheart deal they are blowing smoke because they have no idea, and so this is, to my mind, having been a federal prosecutor for ten years and not at all a sweetheart deal, this is something that is routinely treated in a civil way through civil penalties and not criminally and yet hunter biden was charged with crimes. this is a five-year investigation. they looked at everything and we know that from testimony in the oversight committee. they had foreign bank records and domestic records and hundreds of thousands of documents and this is ultimately what they thought they could charge. in the ordinary course you would not give immunity from other conduct than from what is charged and this is not the ordinary course and you have a pet, vindictive bully running for president on the republican party who will use revenge and weaponize the department of justice to potentially charge hunter biden. so even though, i'm sure hunter biden has confidence that david weiss will not charge him with additional crimes. they have no confidence that if donald trump wins that he would weaponize the department of justice to charge hunter biden and go back and charge him and that's why this plea agreement has broken down because of the threat of donald trump's weaponization of the department of justice if he were to become president. >> you said that president biden has stayed out of that, and i know you meant in terms of interfering with the department of justice, but i want to play something that the president said in an interview just a few months ago. >> my son's done nothing wrong. i trust him. i have faith in him. >> you understand this is a dad talking about his son and it is also the president of the united states talking about a potential defendant in the case that his justice department is prosecuting. also, he was about to plead guilty to some things that he did wrong. does the president need to stop publicly saying his son did nothing wrong? >> well, look, i think the president has been very clear that he'll let the process play out. what we do know is that through all of the investigations in congress there are -- they're simply investigating a private citizen. hunter biden is not running for president and joe biden is running for president and yet -- and he is the president and yet not withstanding all of the time, effort and all of the moving goalposts, there's no evidence connecting president biden to any of his son's business dealings, and you can sing all you want and make all sorts of accusations, but the fact of the matter is that president biden, there's been no evidence to show that he's been involved in anything. so hunter biden will be treated by the department of justice as he should be, but congress needs to stop investigating a private citizen and stop this fishing expedition to try to link president biden to hunter biden's conduct when there is no evidence to support that. >> well, devin archer, hunter biden's business partner told you in closed-door testimony that hunter would put his father on speaker phone with -- while he was meeting with his business associates and this happened at least 20 times and archer told you that hunter would use these calls to send signals to his business partner that his father was involved each though, you're right, as there has been no establishment of any facts that joe biden did anything as vice president or relatedly, but shouldn't president biden have realized what hunter biden was doing here in in talking with speaker phone with his business associates and didn't it at the very least show a major lapse in judgment and a blind spot with his son and how he handled this? >> look, i think that same witness also made very clear that ni never discussed business, that hunter biden was trying to promote an illusion for access to his father and that's hunt are biden. whatever judgment you want to make whether that was appropriate or not, but the president saying hello to people when his son puts him on the phone is not at all doing anything to influence any policy, to use his position for any nefarious purposes and in fact, what we do know, is that the only official action the president took related to hunter biden's business interests was detrimental to hunter biden's company, business interest. it was detrimental to barisma as devin archer because burisma had, and i quote the witness, under control and that was a good thing for that prosecutor general to be in office and yet joe biden urged u rkraine, the ukrainian government to fire the prosecutor general. that's the only connection that president biden had with any of hunter's business dealings. all right, congressman dan goldman, thank you very much for your time today. appreciate it. >> thank you. coming up, it's not all corn dogs and but the are cows at the iowa state fair. there was also some trolling this year. we'll get into it with my panel next. as mine. save 50% on the sleep number limited edition smart bed. plus, 36 month financing on select smart beds. shop now only at sleep number. my cpa told me i wouldn't qualify for the erc tax refund, so i called innovation refunds. their team of independent tax attorneys will work with your cpa to determine if your company is eligible. 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are you excited about any of these candidates? ? i'm actually excited about someone we are not talking about very much. tim scott. he's got broad appeal. my uncle who is a democrat is, like, if he's on the ticket i will vote republican for him. he just seems to be to everyone, to me, who knows him personally, reasonable. he's just reasonable. he's always willing to step outside of the republican box to solve a problem, and i appreciate that. >> you know him from south carolina. would you agree with that assessment? >> no, i do think that for many individuals tim scott is someone who represents what they want the republican party to be. still scott is actually very, very conservative and i don't think that people give that a great deal of value. he is one of the most conservative voting records out there, but he does have to answer for the records in south carol killer for the well-being of south carolina and all in all, he's a friend of mean and is the least palatable on is that the word? palatable than the other guys that are running and at the end of the day, jake, this race is donald trump's alone. >> trump has been trolling a lot of the candidates out there. >> he's specifically trolling ron desantis which is the campaign that they spend most of their time on. he was on the plane more than he was on the ground. >> he was on the ground on. >> it's a long time. >> a long flight for a short walk. the fair is like a narrative play, right? you want to show people that they're trying to earn it and that's what desantis is trying to do. he was do the fair and the rides with his kids and he's trying to do the 99-county circuit and they're pushing the narrative that he's trying to earn the vote whereas trump is trying to push the narrative and to some degree successful so far that they're ants under my boot and that's how he's trying to portray the race and it doesn't sound like he will participate in. why would i participate in a debate with people that aren't within spitting distance. >> do you think donald trump should participate in the debate? >> i do, such as president biden should participate in debates. >> with kennedy jr. and marianne williams. >> yeah, go ahead and throw dr. west in there, too. both of the front runners seem to have the attitude that it's us and the american people do not have a say. they do not have a choice and so we're not going to give audience to the other peasants below us and that's what it is. >> earn the vote. >> earn the vote. as far as the republicans, bad news bears senator tim scott not withstanding. the anti-black does not exist in america. i've got a problem with that. i agree with brother baccari t, and anti-black racism does not exist in america needs to go see a specialist. >> but to the point of donald trump participating in the debate, why? what value, inherent political value is there when you're beating everybody by 40 points to sit there and be bludgeoned by chris kristie anchristie. >> he got bludgeoned. >> i was the moderator for that, and i don't know if he got destroyed, but keep going. >> he got so destroyed that he won the race and he won by 20 points in re-election. >> first of all, me and you both could have beat charlie crist and he didn't perform well in the charlie crist debate either. what i'm trying to say is ron desantis will not be a good debater when he's on the debate stage with others and even if will hurd makes the debate stage. will hurd is a brilliant man, and if he makes the debate stage it will be difficult for ron desantis or donald trump. >> i don't think anyone is ready for will hurd. i've heard him in hearings. he is actually pretty -- he's so smart -- he's actually pretty phenomenal. i don't -- i don't think -- >> no, no, no. he can get a point across and make people understand and feel it. he's a great communicator. >> with former president donald trump on the stage, he has nothing to lose, but he's treating them like peasants, as i mi i said. the man flew into iowa with a fairside chat and he took the oxygen out of the room and as you laid out, scott, he barely walked the ground and during the fairside chat that desantis was having with the governor, he had a plane was flying by saying being more likable, ron. they're not ready for the show that donald j. trump can put together, smart or not because this is not about being smart. >> this -- donald trump. >> yeah. >> it is about the theater. >> people are making it stick. >> the be more likable thing is an i lllusion where ron desanti was being prepared for the gill emdebate and someone told him be more likable. i don't know that you support desant i but i do sense some hopes for his campaign from you if that's okay to characterize. do you think he's succeeding at being more likable? >> i mean, no one of the non-trump candidates is succeeding at consolidating the non-trump half of the republican party. that's his main problem is the fragmentation. you've got all of these people out there, some have come, but none have gone and until that happens, i don't know how any of them, whether it's desantis or tim scott or anybody else will get near donald trump. if you look at the surveys nationally he's at 50 or just above and trump is still well over 40 percent in the surveys right now which is more than enough to win the race. 200, 215,000 votes in this thing and he's sitting at 40% of it. it's hard to imagine the fragmentation doing more than putting a head on the field. >> i want to switch for a second to hunter biden because we had democratic minnesota congressman dean phillipoips on friday and someone saying there should be someone out there challenging president biden and expressing concerns about biden in 20 24 ad here's what he said about special counsel being appointed. >> i think hunter biden, former addict, unsavory, part of what he did we will find out i don't think it touches the president and we all know what kind of an era we live in. it's not what's real. it's how people feel. >> do you share that concern? >> i do. there's a false, give equivalency, and there's a difference between former president donald trump being indicted so many times i've lost count. >> three, soon to be four. >> just to help you out. >> not including the superseding indictment. >> and huntser biden, the son of the current president, former vice president. >> it's not an equivalent. >> let the investigation tack place and if there's something else then let's have at it. >> that's the difference between democrats and our republican colleagues, if hunter biden hold him accountable. you don't have democrats running around saying oh, my god, let's let him run free. >> that's what the justice department wanted to do by getting him a sweetheart deal. they said let's let him walk free. >> you heard merrick garland say we'll have a special counsel. there are charges. you're going to take this case to trial outside of your district and that's why you need that role, that's why you need that jurisdiction. look, let the investigations play out. that's fine with me. >> i love you. i take issue with that because you, out of everyone, knows that i have held the former president donald trump accountable. >> sure. true. >> the only issue, the biggest issue i have with the president, the current president is that this was happening in his family. it's like the biden crime family $20 million because -- this didn't happen -- hunts are biden wasn't given this money because of his good judgment. he was given this money because his father, because of who his father was. to allow that to happen is absolutely unethical. >> that's according to the house o oversight committee numbers and that's biden family members and associates. i'm not excusing it. >> you don't pay the vice president, now president's family $20 million so he can hop on the phone to give you the weather. i'm sorry. no one believes that. >> again, what we're doing is we are attempting and i don't appreciate dean philips and he was decently self-serving and he referred to the president's son as an addict. >> that's right. >> we all have had family members if you have crack, if you're black or come from a certain generation. that's one thing and he needs to go get it checked or get checked in because that's not fair. that's first. second, we just saw donald trump's family, we just saw them grift their way from washington, d.c., from hotel deals to ivanka and donald trump junior's wealth blowing up exponentially and jared kushner. >> $2 billion, and we have not held them to the same standard. >> we treat them as if this is going to be -- wooee're all talg about trump versus biden, who's worse? >> there are other people in the picture. i'm holding these two issues completely separately. i used to be a member of congress. >> yeah. i used to be a member -- >> >> thank you. >> part of the problem is that the american people is being lost in all of this and that's my concern. >> we'll take a quick break. we'll be right back. from $30 a month to just $15 a month. well, it's easy. we know a great price on a great product is better than one of those things. right? does big wireless really believe that these things actually work? 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