Hawaii senator maisi hirono joins me next on . Donald trump could face a fourth indictment. I did receive notification to appear at Fulton County grand jury. Now President Bidens son may go to trial himself. It is in the Special Interest to appoint a Special Counsel. Will legal troubles oversee the election . Plus crunch time. Its political season at the iowa state fair. Give careful consideration to the choice that you will make. With the debate in less than two weeks. The gop should be a party that appreciates a comp tigs of ideas. Who will be on stage . Republican president ial candidate will hurd joins me in moments. Hello. Im jake tapper in washington where the state of our union is in shock. The fire that swept through maui this week is now the deadliest u. S. Wildfire in more than 100 years. Officials said last night with at 93 people dead and that figure is tragically expected to only grow. As Emergency Workers uncover more scenes of horror, lines of abandoned, charred car that traced the fury of the flames and fanned by winds of a Hurricane Hundreds of miles away, homes reduced to ash as people ran for their lives some running into the sea where some battled for hours battling fumes and watching their city burn. The ocean off lahaina, hawaii, will also need to be dredged for bodies, one leader said. As those who recover asked desperately for help and information, top Officials Say they are still battling dangerous circumstances on the ground and pledged to give hawaii all of the resources it needs to recover and why to investigate yet island of maui was not more prepared for this disaster. Joining us live from hawaii is sen senator maisi hirono with the director of fema. Senator, thank you so much for joining us. I am so sorry its under the tragic circumstances. You toured the devastation first hand yesterday. What did you see and what did you hear from people on the ground . The entire Historic Town of lahaina burned to the ground. The images of cars totally they have been demolished and we saw a group cars near the ocean, and it is quite clear that the occupants of those cars probably fled into the ocean, and i was told that at least 12 people were rescued from the ocean in that location, but to see all of these charred, totally demolished cars, but the scenes of devastation will stay with me, and that is why i really thank the president for declaring an Emergency Declaration within hours of being asked to do that by the state of hawaii, and i was there with the family federal agencies including the administrator of fema, sba, u. S. Fire, 150 fema people were there and they brought in cadaver dogs to continue the search. What is it like for you on a personal level and on an emotional level to see this kind of destruction and loss of life in your beloved home state. Many of us have stayed in lahaina. I did, too, and it is an iconic town, and so many people went there because it is very, very historic. It was the seat of the monarchy, the capital of the monarchy and there were many Historic Buildings including, i have to say this massive banyan tree, 150 years old, the oldest banyan tree in the country, and my hope is that it is that it will be restored and very importantly, yes, as i said yesterday we are in a period of mourning and loss as we search for more people who are still unaccounted for. Some of them have been found in the shelters. I visited one with some 400 residents sleeping on cots, and we are going to need to provide them with shortterm and longterm house,ing, but we are all there to do that. Ordinary hawaii residents have been mobilizing to support the victims of the fires and fema is there and other Government Agencies. My colleague bill weir is reporting from maui, and hes hearing from people there who are still desperate for more help from the government, people who are wondering where is the navy . Where is the army . Why isnt the military flooding into the region and where are the hospital ships, et cetera . Are you satisfied that Everything Possible is being done to ensure that these hawaiians are getting all of the help they need from the government . I can understand why there is frustration because, as i say, we are in a period of shock and loss. From what i can see the Government Agencies are there and they will set up areas so people can come and people can get their drivers licenses restored and yes, theyll need a lot of help and from what i saw there is a pledge. President biden called me directly to pledge his support because we know that recovery will be long and the resources will be necessary. I have also heard from my senate colleagues. Chuck schumer and others pledging their support. It will take a lot of resources and the focus right now is truly on the recovery, there are still people who are unaccounted for. They need to be identified. There is a call for people to come in to provide dna. So we are in the, still, i would say the initial phases, but we will do everything we can to provide the kind of support that people will need. We are also hearing from hawaiians questions about how this could have happened . There was a statewide assessment released last year saying that the threat to hawaii residents to wildfires was low. A 2021 Maui Report On Wildfire Prevention Efforts found the Fire Department had no actual plan for preventing fires and as youve heard personally many maui residents said they didnt receive any official warnings before it was too late and state officials are acknowledging that none of the 80 warning sirens on maui were ever activated. Why do you think officials were so unprepared for this . Im not going to make any excuses for this tragedy, but the Attorney General has launched a review of what happened with those sirens and some of the other actions that were taken. So that is happening, and there will be time enough, i would say, for those reviews and investigations to occur, but we are really focused, as far as im concerned of the need for rescue and, well, the location of we know, sadly, more bodies, and as we talk with the people with this large place where the residents were that, yes, were going to need to provide a lot of support, and that is why im asking for, and i expect to receive bipartisan support for additional funds that will enable us to recover. That recovery is going take time. It is not going to be overnight by any means. It will take years. This is an entire town that has burned to the ground. Some 11,000 residents live there, and of the tourists who were there, thousands were evacuated to o thatahu, mainly the airlines stepped up to limit their fees and the hotels have also stepped up to provide lodging for our visitors, so i think that we are doing a lot in order to provide the kind of support we need, to be providing, but there will always be the call for more, and my hope and expectation is that all of that will come. Experts warn that extreme disasters such as this one are only becoming more common because Climate Change is fueling stronger storms, hotter temperatures. Yes. More widespread droughts and earlier this week, President Biden incorrectly claimed he was give emergency, given what you see on the ground, do you want President Biden to actually declare a Climate Emergency . I think that we very much need to acknowledge that Climate Change is upon us. There are whole states, by the way, jake, where you cant even use the word Climate Change because they have a hide in the sand attitude. The Inflation Reduction Act provided 300 billion to combat Climate Change and to move us away from continuing reliance on fossil fuels. Yes, there is more that needs to be done and there will be Lessons Learned from this ongoing tragedy for the other counties as well as the county of maui. Clearly, wildfires is an occurrence in hawaii. People dont realize that acres have burneded in hawaii as in so many other states and in percentage of Acreage Burned Hawaii is on par with other states. Theres not enough recognition that we will need to combat these kind of wildfires and weve had situations where the tremendously high winds that were attended to Hurricane Dora just resulted in these flames just leaping and spreading and just just i cant even tell you how fast the flames spread. So we need to be assessing our ability to contend with these kinds of natural occurring disasters which we are seeing more of, and the frequency and the damage that is done, clearly, this is happening all across the world. Yeah. Senator, mazie hirono, we thank you for your time and our thoughts and prayers. Thank you. Go out to the people of hawaii this morning. Thank you so much for being with us. Thank you. For those of you at home looking for ways to help that way Wildfire Victims you can head to cnn. Com impact. Cnn. Com impact where we have a list of vetted resources or you can donate by texting word hawaii hawaii to 707070. Coming up next, shocking new evidence in georgias election interference probe. Well talk to one of Donald Trumps rivals in the president ial race about it next, and a potential Hunter Biden Trial in the middle of his dads campaign . Oversight Committee Democrat dan goldman joins us ahead. Ill be taking meetings. With family and friends. 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Some shocking news just in this morning broken by ed cohen and sara murray in georgias election interference probe. Prosecutors tell cnn that they can connect or sources tell cnn that prosecutors can connect a 2021 Voting System breach to the top levels of Donald Trumps inner circle. Sources tell cnn that atlanta prosecutors have Text Messages and emails that directly connect members of trumps legal team to the 2021 breach of a Voting System in georgias coffey county. This comes as a presentation in georgia is set to start as soon as tomorrow and that could potentially result in a fourth indictment for donald trump. Will hurd, former texas congressman joins us now. Thank you very much for being here. Appreciate it. What is your response . Prosecutors say according to our sources that they have evidence that the trump team was involved in this breach of election equipment. Well, as someone who helped Build Cybersecurity companies, i think this is an example of how this is not about the first amendment. This is about a president trying to overturn an election and creating a conspiracy. This kind of infrastructure is considered Critical Infrastructure and its supposed to be defended. The trump team tried to get access in other places and they went through the Legal Process and courts gave access to some of the information. In this case, they werent getting it so they tried to take it themselves, and to me, its an indication of how fragile our Election System is, and how Donald Trumps efforts were making us increased our lack trust in our systems, and one more example of why donald trump is running for president is because hes trying to stay out of jail because as more of this information comes out, and as the American People recognizes the extent of his baggage, theyre getting sick and tired of it. Do polls indicate that republicans are, though . Because all of the polls ive seen suggest that most republicans believe this lie about the election that has been fed to them by not only donald trump, but fox and other rightwing media and other people on capitol hill who are lying about the election being stolen. Sure. When obviously we know thats not the case. These are the same pollsters that thought issue one in ohio was going to pass, and it ended up getting crushed by 18 . These are the same people in that 2022 said Kevin Mccarthy would have a 40 majority in the house and it ended up in five. Heres the reality, when i crisscross the state whether im in new hampshire, alabama, california, people say youre right, he is running to stay out of prison. Im not questioning his frontrunner status, but what i am saying is that many people dont want to see donald trump or joe biden be the nominees and people are looking for something different, and guess what . If they want to have these things happen and if those people want to see something different, i need them to go to hurd for america. Com and help me get on the debate stage so we can talk about these things and all i need is one dollar ever a r r of a donation to make sure i hit the thresholds. In order to be on the stage you need to hit a Polling Threshold and a donor threshold, 40,000 donor and you need to find the rnc pledge. You think you will hit the polling and donors threshold . Thats correct. Thats correct. Im hoping that at the end of this conversation i can say all of the jake tappers friends watching tv helped me get over the 40,000 threshold by going to hurd for america. Com, but look, jake, i said it ago. Im not going to lie to get access to a meeicrophone and i never signed a contract without making amendments to it and since 2015 ive been the only person in the race that has been critical of donald trump and talked about how hes a National Security threat, and so my goal is to hit all those requirements and force the conversation. Oh, and guess what . Donald trump hasnt even agreed to sign the debate pledge. Donald trump hasnt eaven agree to show up to the debate and it was donald trump and his team that got the rnc to put in his loyalty oath because he wanted the other candidates to bend a knee to him. Im not going to do that. Ive been honest about that and were working hard to hit those other requirements. The pledge says that whoever if you participate in the debate, you will support whoever the nominee is, and youre right, donald trump said yesterday or the day before that theyre, like, three or four people that he would never support, so these expressed skepticism. But that does suggest, though, that donald trump who had said he wouldnt be on the debate stage and is that a Campaign Ender for you . No. A lot can happen in the next ten days and so i want to be able to force that conversation and see what happens. If donald trump doesnt participate, what is the rnc going to do . So there are a lot of variables at play here. My issue is not supporting the republican nominee. My issue is im not going to support donald trump. Donald trump is not running for president to make America Great again. Donald trump is running for president to stay out prison. Would you vote for President Biden over President Trump . My vote is to be for myself and thats plan a and thats what im focused on. I want to ask about hunter biden because a lot of colleagues, including house colleagues of yours are blasting Attorney GeneralMerrick Garlands appointment of Special Counsel david weiss in the hunter biden probe, they claim its a coverup to protect biden and some had asked to get Special Counsel powers. What do you make of that and what do you think of the appointment of the Special Counsel . I think a Special Counsel should have been appointed in this case. The question now this is the individual that tried to negotiate a Sweetheart Deal for hunter biden on those two other cases. The question is is he going to use the full extent of his powers in order to prosecute this or is this going to be an effort to shield information going to what do you think . Look. Time is going to tell. Ive made it very clear that doj should show a level of tr. Translator patransparency, whether its the documents case against donald trump or whats happening against hunter biden. There is a lack of truck in our institutions and the only way you can repair trust is by showing a level of transparency and thats what is called for in all of these cases and again, i think the the whistleblower that talked about hunter biden calling his father when he had when he had clients on the line. Heres the reality, the inner circle or the immediate family of a president should not be allowed to be lobbyists or consultants when their father or their husband is the president of the United States. Yeah. That call just fyi took place in 2017 when biden when joe biden was not in office. I want to ask you about immigration because youre from you used to represent a Border District and just on thursday, a 3yearold child who was aboard a bus of Asylum Seekers died. The bus had been headed to chicago from texas as part of Texas Governor greg abbots program sending Asylum Seekers that had come intoen democraticrun cities and obviously a horrible insent in these migrants and what about this little boy . Any deaths should be prevened from happening, and a hundred people just died last month inhumane policies. Because of open borders . Because were not stopping narc owe traffickers and Human Smugglers and were not addressing root causes in places like the northern triangle. We should be upset about all of this and 5. 5 Million People coming into the country illegally is unacceptable. Last year there was a Drowning Case two broDrowning Cases a couple of weeks ago. Last year 140 people drowned in the Rio Grande River and nobody was talking about that. The policies of joe biden are the ones that are inhumane. He needs to start treating Human Smugglers like terrorist organizations. We need to be addressing the fentanyl issue. I think fentanyl is the precursor of a Weapon Of Mass Destruction and we need to be treating it to that nfocus and donald trump was pretty terrible at that. These are things that we should be doing and these are the conversations that we should be having and this is why americans are sick and tired of both donald trump and joe biden and all of their legal baggage because theres a lot more issues we should be addressing that we havent had the chance to do. Congressman will hurd, always good to see you, sir. Always good to have you in the studio. The Attorney General picks a Special Counsel to investigate hunter biden. What will that look like . Congressman dan goldman of new congressman dan goldman of new york will join me next. Its overwhelming, but you just have to put your mind to it and fight. Subject 2 it doesnt feel good because you cant play outside with other children. Subject 3 as a parent, it is your job to protect your family. But here is something that i cannot do. 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Attorney general garland said he believed it was in the Public Interest to appoint attorney david weiss as Special Counsel to oversee the hunter biden probe. Do you agree . Do you think its in the publics interest . I defer to the Attorney Generals determination on this. What we now know is that david weiss, the trumpappointed u. S. Attorney in delaware was right all along, that he did have ultimate authority and when he requested Special Counsel status because the Plea Agreement has broken down and he may have to charge Hunt Are Biden outside of his own district which he requires Additional Authority to do, he got it and this is just another reflection of the true independence of this department of justice, a trumpappointed u. S. Attorney is investigating the president s son. That is pretty remarkable, and you dont hear from the other side, a respect for the fact that joe biden has stayed out of this investigation, and so i defer to Merrick Garland and david weiss. If hunter biden has committed crimes he should be charged with them. Im a democrat saying that. You dont hear any currently elected rep rublican saying if donald trump committed crimes he should be held accountable and thats a critical distinction that the public needs to understand. House republicans say and we heard former Congressman Will HurdSay Something similar just now, hey, u. S. Attorney weiss, he may be a trump appointee, but he is also the one that signed off on the slap on the wrist Sweetheart Deals, their words, not mine, when it came to hunter biden being charged with two misdemeanors and a Diversion Program instead of charges and therefore Speaker Mccarthy and other republicans say david weiss cant be trusted to be the Special Counsel. What do you say about that . Well, no one knows what the evidence is. So when they say this is a Sweetheart Deal they are blowing smoke because they have no idea, and so this is, to my mind, having been a federal prosecutor for ten years and not at all a Sweetheart Deal, this is something that is routinely treated in a civil way through Civil Penalties and not criminally and yet hunter biden was charged with crimes. This is a fiveyear investigation. They looked at everything and we know that from testimony in the Oversight Committee. They had Foreign Bank Records and domestic records and hundreds of thousands of documents and this is ultimately what they thought they could charge. In the ordinary course you would not give immunity from other conduct than from what is charged and this is not the ordinary course and you have a pet, vindictive Bully Running for president on the Republican Party who will use revenge and weaponize the department of justice to potentially charge hunter biden. So even though, im sure hunter biden has confidence that david weiss will not charge him with additional crimes. They have no confidence that if donald trump wins that he would weaponize the department of justice to charge hunter biden and go back and charge him and thats why this Plea Agreement has broken down because of the threat of Donald Trumps weaponization of the department of justice if he were to become president. You said that President Biden has stayed out of that, and i know you meant in terms of interfering with the department of justice, but i want to play something that the president said in an interview just a few months ago. My sons done nothing wrong. I trust him. I have faith in him. You understand this is a dad talking about his son and it is also the president of the United States talking about a potential defendant in the case that his Justice Department is prosecuting. Also, he was about to plead guilty to some things that he did wrong. Does the president need to stop publicly saying his son did nothing wrong . Well, look, i think the president has been very clear that hell let the process play out. What we do know is that through all of the investigations in congress there are theyre simply investigating a private citizen. Hunter biden is not running for president and joe biden is running for president and yet and he is the president and yet not withstanding all of the time, effort and all of the moving goalposts, theres no evidence connecting President Biden to any of his sons business dealings, and you can sing all you want and make all sorts of accusations, but the fact of the matter is that President Biden, theres been no evidence to show that hes been involved in anything. So hunter biden will be treated by the department of justice as he should be, but Congress Needs to stop investigating a private citizen and stop this Fishing Expedition to try to link President Biden to Hunter Bidens conduct when there is no evidence to support that. Well, devin archer, Hunter BidensBusiness Partner told you in closeddoor testimony that hunter would put his father on Speaker Phone with while he was meeting with his Business Associates and this happened at least 20 times and archer told you that hunter would use these calls to send signals to his Business Partner that his father was involved each though, youre right, as there has been no establishment of any facts that joe biden did anything as Vice President or relatedly, but shouldnt President Biden have realized what hunter biden was doing here in in talking with Speaker Phone with his Business Associates and didnt it at the very least show a major lapse in judgment and a blind spot with his son and how he handled this . Look, i think that same witness also made very clear that ni never discussed business, that hunter biden was trying to promote an illusion for access to his father and thats Hunt Are Biden. Whatever judgment you want to make whether that was appropriate or not, but the president saying hello to people when his son puts him on the phone is not at all doing anything to influence any policy, to use his position for any nefarious purposes and in fact, what we do know, is that the only official action the president took related to Hunter BidensBusiness Interests was detrimental to Hunter Bidens company, business interest. It was detrimental to barisma as devin archer because burisma had, and i quote the witness, under control and that was a good thing for that Prosecutor General to be in office and yet joe biden urged u rkraine, the Ukrainian Government to fire the Prosecutor General. Thats the only connection that President Biden had with any of hunters business dealings. All right, congressman dan goldman, thank you very much for your time today. Appreciate it. Thank you. Coming up, its not all corn dogs and but the are cows at the iowa state fair. 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My uncle who is a democrat is, like, if hes on the ticket i will vote republican for him. He just seems to be to everyone, to me, who knows him personally, reasonable. Hes just reasonable. Hes always willing to step outside of the republican box to solve a problem, and i appreciate that. You know him from South Carolina. Would you agree with that assessment . No, i do think that for many individuals tim scott is someone who represents what they want the Republican Party to be. Still scott is actually very, very conservative and i dont think that people give that a great deal of value. He is one of the most conservative voting records out there, but he does have to answer for the records in South Carol Killer for the wellbeing of South Carolina and all in all, hes a friend of mean and is the least palatable on is that the word . Palatable than the other guys that are running and at the end of the day, jake, this race is Donald Trumps alone. Trump has been trolling a lot of the candidates out there. Hes specifically trolling ron desantis which is the campaign that they spend most of their time on. He was on the plane more than he was on the ground. He was on the ground on. Its a long time. A long flight for a short walk. The fair is like a narrative play, right . You want to show people that theyre trying to earn it and thats what desantis is trying to do. He was do the fair and the rides with his kids and hes trying to do the 99county circuit and theyre pushing the narrative that hes trying to earn the vote whereas trump is trying to push the narrative and to some degree successful so far that theyre ants under my boot and thats how hes trying to portray the race and it doesnt sound like he will participate in. Why would i participate in a debate with people that arent within spitting distance. Do you think donald trump should participate in the debate . I do, such as President Biden should participate in debates. With kennedy jr. And marianne williams. Yeah, go ahead and throw dr. West in there, too. Both of the front runners seem to have the attitude that its us and the American People do not have a say. They do not have a choice and so were not going to give audience to the other peasants below us and thats what it is. Earn the vote. Earn the vote. As far as the republicans, Bad News Bears senator tim scott not withstanding. The antiblack does not exist in america. Ive got a problem with that. I agree with brother baccari t, and antiblack racism does not exist in America Needs to go see a specialist. But to the point of donald trump participating in the debate, why . What value, inherent political value is there when youre beating everybody by 40 points to sit there and be bludgeoned by Chris Kristie anchristie. He got bludgeoned. I was the moderator for that, and i dont know if he got destroyed, but keep going. He got so destroyed that he won the race and he won by 20 points in reelection. First of all, me and you both could have beat Charlie Crist and he didnt perform well in the Charlie Crist debate either. What im trying to say is ron desantis will not be a good debater when hes on the debate stage with others and even if will hurd makes the debate stage. Will hurd is a brilliant man, and if he makes the debate stage it will be difficult for ron desantis or donald trump. I dont think anyone is ready for will hurd. Ive heard him in hearings. He is actually pretty hes so smart hes actually pretty phenomenal. I dont i dont think no, no, no. He can get a point across and make people understand and feel it. Hes a great communicator. With former President Donald Trump on the stage, he has nothing to lose, but hes treating them like peasants, as i mi i said. The man flew into iowa with a fairside chat and he took the oxygen out of the room and as you laid out, scott, he barely walked the ground and during the fairside chat that desantis was having with the governor, he had a plane was flying by saying being more likable, ron. Theyre not ready for the show that donald j. Trump can put together, smart or not because this is not about being smart. This donald trump. Yeah. It is about the theater. People are making it stick. The be more likable thing is an i lllusion where ron desanti was being prepared for the Gill Emdebate and someone told him be more likable. I dont know that you support desant i but i do sense some hopes for his campaign from you if thats okay to characterize. Do you think hes succeeding at being more likable . I mean, no one of the nontrump candidates is succeeding at consolidating the nontrump half of the Republican Party. Thats his main problem is the fragmentation. Youve got all of these people out there, some have come, but none have gone and until that happens, i dont know how any of them, whether its desantis or tim scott or anybody else will get near donald trump. If you look at the surveys nationally hes at 50 or just above and trump is still well over 40 percent in the surveys right now which is more than enough to win the race. 200, 215,000 votes in this thing and hes sitting at 40 of it. Its hard to imagine the fragmentation doing more than putting a head on the field. I want to switch for a second to hunter biden because we had democratic minnesota congressman Dean Phillipoips on friday and someone saying there should be someone out there challenging President Biden and expressing concerns about biden in 20 24 ad heres what he said about Special Counsel being appointed. I think hunter biden, former addict, unsavory, part of what he did we will find out i dont think it touches the president and we all know what kind of an era we live in. Its not whats real. Its how people feel. Do you share that concern . I do. Theres a false, give equivalency, and theres a difference between former President Donald Trump being indicted so many times ive lost count. Three, soon to be four. Just to help you out. Not including the superseding indictment. And huntser biden, the son of the current president , former Vice President. Its not an equivalent. Let the Investigation Tack Place and if theres Something Else then lets have at it. Thats the difference between democrats and our republican colleagues, if hunter biden hold him accountable. You dont have democrats running around saying oh, my god, lets let him run free. Thats what the Justice Department wanted to do by getting him a Sweetheart Deal. They said lets let him walk free. You heard Merrick Garland say well have a Special Counsel. There are charges. Youre going to take this case to trial outside of your district and thats why you need that role, thats why you need that jurisdiction. Look, let the investigations play out. Thats fine with me. I love you. I take issue with that because you, out of everyone, knows that i have held the former President Donald Trump accountable. Sure. True. The only issue, the Biggest Issue i have with the president , the current president is that this was happening in his family. Its like the Biden Crime Family 20 million because this didnt happen hunts are biden wasnt given this money because of his good judgment. He was given this money because his father, because of who his father was. To allow that to happen is absolutely unethical. Thats according to the house o Oversight Committee numbers and thats biden Family Members and associates. Im not excusing it. You dont pay the Vice President , now president s family 20 million so he can hop on the phone to give you the weather. Im sorry. No one believes that. Again, what were doing is we are attempting and i dont appreciate dean philips and he was decently selfserving and he referred to the president s son as an addict. Thats right. We all have had Family Members if you have crack, if youre black or come from a certain generation. Thats one thing and he needs to go get it checked or get checked in because thats not fair. Thats first. Second, we just saw Donald Trumps family, we just saw them grift their way from washington, d. C. , from hotel deals to ivanka and donald trump juniors wealth blowing up exponentially and jared kushner. 2 billion, and we have not held them to the same standard. We treat them as if this is going to be wooeere all talg about trump versus biden, whos worse . There are other people in the picture. Im holding these two issues completely separately. I used to be a member of congress. Yeah. I used to be a member thank you. 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