Powerful film. Just wanted to tell everybody yes. If you want to see the film, go to truefreedomfilm. Com and sign up for the screener and it will have the screener there, as well as cvs health, aetna, they gave a facilitators guide, so if you want it in your mentoring program. Truefreedomfilm. Com. Thats where you can download the film and watch it. Thank you so much, fredricka. We really appreciate this. Perfect. Making it available, thats the key. To you so much to both of you gentlemen. Great to see you. Hello again, everyone. Thank you so much for joining me. In washington, d. C. , im fredricka whitfield. First on cnn, were following a Major New Development in what could soon be Donald Trumps fourth indictment. Just a short time ago i spoke with former Georgia RepublicanLieutenant Governor, jeff duncan, who told me that he will testify in the next 48 hours before a grand jury in atlanta. District attorney fani willis has subpoenaed duncan to testify about efforts by former President Donald Trump and his allies to overturn the 2020 president ial election in georgia. We also now know that an independent journalist has tweeted today that he was also called by the Fulton CountyDistrict Attorney, and also was asked to testify before that grand jury on tuesday. Jeff duncan is now a cnn political commentator and this is his entire interview with me earlier today, as duncan talks about the subpoena and his plans to testify. So have you received that notice that would come from their office, a 48hour notice to testify . Fredricka, i did just receive notification to appear on Tuesday Morning at the Fulton County grand jury, and i certainly will be there to do my part in recounting the facts. Okay. You were one of 70 people who testified last year before a grand jury. Is it your expectation that on tuesday, when youre asked questions again, that they will be similar, or do you expect or are you preparing yourself for new questions and a broadening of the investigation . Well, i have no expectations as to the questions and ill certainly answer whatever question is put in front of me and dont want to go any deeper than that to jeopardize the investigation. For me, this is a story thats important for republicans to hear, americans to hear. Lets hear the truth and nothing but the truth about Donald Trumps actions and the surrounding cast of characters around him. We watched a series of events happen here that were tragic and untruthful and hes got a chance to present these facts and say, hey, i didnt know what was going on, or i think what reality is going on, they knew exactly what they were doing. I think the interesting part to this indictment thats different from the others is that theres going to be 12 plus coconspirators, and these folks dont have the same level of loyalty they had for donald trump when he was trying to change the election outcome in 2020. Its going to be interesting to see which way they go. These are serious charges, racketeering, conspiracy, these are things garnered for the mafia or the mob. So well certainly see this get ratcheted up in the next few days. Tell me more about that. People who you believe once were very loyal to trump, now as a result of the investigation and the ongoing investigation, no longer have the same kind of loyalties. How do you believe that may have changed the building of this case against trump . Yeah, i think a number of people arrived on Donald Trumps conspiracy team from a number of different angles. Some folks got there because the sitting president , the head of their party told them it was true, so they just believed it word for word. Others got there because they saw an opportunity to be in the Cool Kids Club for the first time, to be in the inner circle of the president. And lots of things in between. Thats going to be the part that plays out. There are currently elected folks, formerly elected folks, party leads, successful business owners. This is a wide swath of georgia, representatives of georgia, that are going to have to face the consequences of answering tough questions. But the reality is i have yet to see a single ounce of proof that the election was not fair and legal. Didnt turn out the way republicans wanted it to, but it was fair and legal here in georgia, and quite honestly, the rest of the country. This is important for the Republican Party to face. If were going to truly turn and look forward, turn the page for a gop 2. 0, weve got to have donald trump in the Rearview Mirror and the uncomfortable facts of what he did in the post election 2020 part of time is going to be part of the Healing Process for the Republican Party. Its necessary but its going to be painful. How immediately did your loyalties to trump as the Lieutenant Governor of georgia as a republican when and how and under what circumstances did that change where you were no longer on board with the former president . So its interesting, it actually started this is the first chapter of my book, a rally two days before the election in rome, georgia, i made remarks before former President Trump got on stage. I made every time we lower taxes, its not just for republicans, its for democrats, too. I got booed by 2,000 maga hats. I said every time we improve education its for republicans and democrats and they got louder. I said our policies are so good, they hope the people that dont vote for us, and i got booed louder. I realized that crew of 30,000 people were not conservative, they were angry. And within hours of the 2020 election when i started hearing donald trump talk about his notion that the election was rigged and the machines were corrupt and whatever else conspiracy theories, i quickly turned the page and i tried to get to it as quickly as i could so that i could try to stop the grass fire from turning into a forest fire. Unfortunately, i was unsuccessful. There wasnt enough of us. Instead, were going to have the slow, painful process of realizing what the truth is, that donald trump ran the Worst Campaign ever and he will get beat by joe biden again because it will be the Worst Campaign a republican could ever put forward. Again, the Breaking News here, the former Lieutenant Governor, jeff duncan, of georgia, has been called to appear before a Fulton County, georgia, grand jury. He said he will be there on tuesday. With me now to discuss these developments is a former federal prosecutor and marshal cowen. Tell us about the significance of this announcement by duncan that he will testify in the coming days before the grand jury. Fredricka, its happening. Its finally here. There have been so much speculation and preparation and security measures and grand juries and rulings and motions and litigation. Its finally here, with these notifications going out to jeff duncan and another member of another person who is going to testify to the grand jury with these notifications. It is clear that fanny i willis moving forward. This is her big moment to give this presentation to the grand jury. Expect it to begin on monday, could spill into tuesday, where shes expected, as cnn has been reporting for a while, to seek indictments against donald trump and many of his republican allies in georgia, possibly more than a dozen defendants. We are talking very serious Felony Charges on the table like conspiracy and racketeering, rico, which fani willis has a lot of experience with. So the notifications really are the starting gun of the final stretch of this investigation. You said notifications going out today. So we know jeff duncan, we understand that another witness who was an independent journalist. What can you tell us about that person and does that mean there are more after that . There very well could be more. You broke the story on your show with jeff duncan. And in the wake of that, shortly after that, the independent journalist george cheaty, who is an atlantabased journalist, he tweeted out that he had been asked to appear on tuesday as well. We previously reported that he was subpoenaed, and now he is announcing that the date of that appearance will be, like Lieutenant Governor duncan, on tuesday. This is an interesting figure because he actually was a witness in 2020, December 2020, to the fake electors, the fake protrump electors meeting in the statehouse in atlanta in December 2020 as part of that trumpbacked scheme to subvert the Electoral College process. That might be a clue of one of the things that the grand jurors are going to hear. That is one of the many prongs of this investigation, the fake elector scheme. It will all come to a head presumably in the next few days. These notifications going out to witnesses to appear before the grand jury happening simultaneous to the former president making Campaign Stops there in iowa at the state fair today. That was the video that you were seeing just a moment ago. So what does this mean that you would have some witnesses called to testify before the grand jury this week, and these are witnesses that have already testified in the past and now being brought back . What does it say about where the case is . Well, it says that we are in mile 25 of the marathon, so to speak. We are basically close to the end, as marshal mentioned, fred. This now is a charging grand jury, a grand jury that can return an indictment, and fani willis and her team are putting their evidence into that grand jury so that ultimately they can ask in the very near future, whether its this week or next, ask for the fourth indictment of donald trump, and perhaps the first of some of his coconspirators or schemers. Does a d. A. Pick a witness to testify again reveal something new about information . Is it to clarify, or is it to, perhaps, underscore something thats already been discovered . So its a couple things. First of all, the information needs to get from the Special Grand Jury to the new one. Instead of reading the testimony, you could have someone read the transcript of what happened before the Special Grand Jury. Its obviously more powerful if its presented in person. They can ask some additional questions, for example, new things that theyve learned over the course of their investigation. But ultimately the pain purpose is to take the information they already have i dont think theres going to be any big surprises about what the Lieutenant Governor is going to say since theyve already spoken to him. But theyre going to put that in front of this grand jury so the grand jury has an opportunity to see these witnesses, see the evidence, and the District Attorney can make sure the grand jury is going to return the indictment she puts before them. And renato, this case is different than the other three indictments of trump, in that this is a state case and wont involve federal charges. Last hour when i was talking to election attorney ben ginsberg, he reminded us that state cases, if trump were to be reelected, he would be unable to pardon himself. What else is significant about the types of charges the Fulton County prosecutor is considering . A few things. Not only would he not be able to pardon himself, but the Pardon Process in georgia means that Governor Kemp would not be able to pardon him either. Theres a pardon board, so its a more complicated process. He also would not be able to shut down the investigation in the same way. In other words, trump could try to make some argument to courts in georgia that as president he cant be subject to a state indictment. But if he was president of the united states, he could order the Attorney General, install an Attorney General, someone like jeffrey clark, who would literally shut down jack smiths investigation. He cant do that to fani willis. Shes an elected official in the state of georgia. But separate and apart from that, unlike the other state charge, theres a manhattan d. A. Indictment thats also not a federal charge. This is for conduct that occurred while he was president of the united states, not beforehand. This is not just some sort of books and records violation. This is a charge for him trying to overturn the election in georgia, and as i think marshal pointed out a moment ago, there are potentially others that can be part of this. Theres an interplay between this and those other cases. If, for example, john eastman or Rudy Giuliani faces a charge here and ultimately decides that its in their best interest to cooperate, that could have an impact on these other investigations as well. So definitely important. Theres really a Multiplier Effect and interplay between these different prosecutions that we should keep in mind. Another commonality in all of this, marshal, even though there are distinctions of these three indictments and now a possible fourth, is that trumps style is to go after the prosecutors, go after the Special Counsel, jack smith, go after the d. A. , alvin bragg and also his record of going after and im talking about verbally, taunting, threats, however you want to put it, of fani willis. So given that, then, marshal, how does that continue to complicate these cases, even as these prosecutors, Special Counsel may try to coordinate with one another . The atmosphere of threats and intimidation and vitreal has only been getting stronger and stronger, and with fani willis, who is an African American woman elected in atlanta, shes actually the first woman to hold that position of d. A. In Fulton County, a lot of the attacks have been racial in character. I would be remiss if i didnt point out that donald trump himself regularly accuses fani willis of being racist and marxist and a lunatic. He in the past several days spread some incredibly ugly claims that are totally false about her that i wont repeat. She has had security beefed up, not just in the courthouse, but for her personally. Look, if he does end up as a criminal defendant in the state of georgia, he will have to answer to a judge, and those comments may be brought before the judge, just like they have been right here in washington, d. C. , as we literally saw yesterday with a hearing in his federal election subversion case, where prosecutors were flagging to the judge trumps post on truth social, if you come after me, ill come after you. And whether that type of rhetoric where that falls on the line between free speech, defending ones self and a serious threat to the interests of justice. Fani willis has said shes been called the n word and been subjected to threats of violence more in the last year than she has in her entire life. The connection that shes made to the investigation of the former president. Marshal cowen, thank you. Still to come, the political impact of this Breaking News, new signs that a fourth indictment for donald trump could be coming soon in Fulton County, georgia. 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Former President Donald Trump is at the Iowa State Fair where he is drawing in quite the crowd of supporters, this coming after former Lieutenant Governor of georgia and cnn contributor jeff duncan revealed to cnn today that he has been told to testify before a Fulton County grand jury about the former president s efforts to overturn the 2020 election. Joining me right now is cnns jeff zeleny, who is at the state fair, and jeff duncan telling me about his appearance now on tuesday. He said that today. Has that signal been sent to the former president and has he commented on it . Reporter this is something that former President Donald Trump obviously has been expecting. Impact, hes been campaigning on the fact that hes been anticipating, and he would say looking forward to a fourth indictment in georgia. At least politically. Legally, of course, it is a very different matter. But th