on the boat dog. why the whole country seems to be talking about what happened when a black co-captain standing on that dog, pre faced an unprovoked attack by a mob of white folks for asking them to move their pontoon boat, please say. >> as the co-captain approached the dock and attempted to peacefully move the boat over, just so that they could park, the owners of the boat confront them in a hostile manner. there were words exchanged and then it turned into the combat that you have all seen. so the co-captain was doing his job. >> now we have an interview with the montgomery police chief in a bit and we will -- will more charges becoming, or talk about it ahead. but let's begin with our breaking news this hour. cnn projects that voters in ohio have rejected a measure that is seen as a proxy in the battle over abortion rights. they voted down in effort to make it harder to amend the state constitution. the head of november referendum on whether to constitutionally guaranteed abortion rights in that state. it sounds a bit confusing but we are going to explain it all, at least we have people who can do that for me. tonight we have cnn political commentator jeff duncan, the former republican lieutenant governor of georgia, and harry enten, cnn's senior data reporter and lauren leader cofounder and ceo of all in together. plus, cnn political analyst coleman hughes, host of the podcast conversations with coleman. all right, here we go. so let me first ask you, harry, about what this vote meant because it was a vote no, but it meant that you have a yes when it comes to abortion rights. >> very bizarre, right? confusing all around, but i'll explain it this way. pro abortion rights advocates got a ballot measure on the ballot this upcoming november in which a yes vote which essentially mean that abortion rights would be legalized in the state of ohio. at this point, the law is that you need 50% plus one for a ballot measure to pass, so tonight, what happened was that republicans, conservatives, decided to put a ballot measure on the ballot in which they tried to say no, it is not 50% plus one that you need, it is 60 plus one that you need. so all of a sudden they were like okay we want to raise that bar for that abortion measure come november. so, in this particular case the no vote was saying no we want to keep it at 50% plus one and what we saw was overwhelmingly the voters in fact -- >> so a simple majority versus a supermajority. >> exactly right. >> what did the numbers look like? how big did this go towards saying we want to keep the constitution the same? >> it was a double digit blowout. right now you can see that what we are looking at, essentially, is a 13 point margin at this particular point and keep in mind that donald trump won in the state of ohio by eight points. so all of the sudden you had a really red state, in ohio, that voted for donald trump by eight points saying no by about 13 points and no one in this particular case is a proxy for saying that abortion rights in the state of ohio are popular by 13 points. >> there is a lot of money spent to try to show voters what this really meant, because it is a bit confusing. lauren, i want to ask you what the thoughts are on how potent this issue is. what does this tell us about how important this issue is to americans? >> over and over again we have been hearing -- since the dobbs decision saying that this issue is going to fade into the background, it's the economy, and other issues. we heard that going into 2022 midterms, they've been wrong again and again. this is the most salient, galvanizing, political issue for women on the left, but also increasingly from our poles, for independent women, which is why it is so powerful in states like ohio. what we saw in kansas, every single place in the country where we have had a ballot measures since dobbs, asking voters what they want in terms of abortion rights. they voted in favor of abortion rights. and the fact that otin ohio is such a blowout, to your point, it was not even close. in an august of the cycle, single vote election, which was intentionally held in an off time when peop on vacation to try to kee away from the polls and yet, folks turned out. i think that when we get into the data and we start seeing what that looks like and the exit polls, we'll get a better sense of it. but there is no question, in our polling, poll after poll, abortion and guns are the two top issues for women voters going into this election. and the last thing that i will say on this is that there may be annex of suspected consequence of dobbs is the extent that voters are paying attention to state politics. ohio has been a place where democracy has been dying in darkness for years there. a lot of gerrymandering, gamesmanship in the state legislature. suddenly, since dobbs, there and states around the country you are seeing voters hyper focused on statewide elections that is going to rewrite the map in a lot of ways for years to come. >> i'm curious, jeff, about what you think about this. is this a mistake for republicans to focus on abortion because of some of the numbers that you have seen a year? i do want to throw up a full screen to give you an idea of some recent polling that we have done. 64% of americans disapprove the overturning of roe v. wade. when you look at those numbers it is democrat and independent voters who seem to be the ones who are up for grabs, if you will, on this issue. they are saying, look, this is important to, us we really, really are going to pay attention to what people are saying about this issue. should republicans be pushing this issue if they are running for state office? if they're running for federal office? >> i think it's important to recognize that democracy was put on display here. the supreme court to push this back to the state and each state is going to have their own personality, their own leans towards policies one way or another. oh hines spoke and they spoke loudly, with which direction they want to go in. also, these constitutional questions are really, really confusing's. when the most confusing that i dealt with in state government is how you actually write the question, are you present double negatives, how it is delivered out to the populace. from a republican standpoint i feel like this issue, we need to do a better job of being empathetic. we need to do a better job, regardless of pro-life or pro-choice, we need to understand that single teenage girl who is pregnant and worried, we need to be empathetic and understand rather than just trying to preach, we need to understand. i look at georgia. we passed a heartbeat bill, stacey abrams use that as her cornerstone issued beat ryan camp because it was not trying to go out and point fingers and make a point out of it, he was simply trying to pass foster care legislation to make things easier for the adoptive process. >> coleman, every state in the country, that was before dobbs. and i think the rules have been completely written and across the board this is an absolutely -- for republican and you look at like what a liability is becoming for people like ron desantis's who are committed that they were not change the laws in the state of georgia. then against the will for the vast majority of them voters in the state of florida it passed an extraordinarily restrictive bill. and that is what we are seeing, where it is passing it to passing against the will of the majority of folks in that state and even some republican lawmakers, especially women lawmakers, are saying that this is a loser for republicans. americans don't want this and it is hard, i think, for republican legislatures to catch up to how much the national sentiment has changed since dobbs. it is a totally different world from a year ago, the politics have shifted. >> coleman, do you think that this is going to continue to be the thing that propels people to go to the polls. one of the big issues that they are going to be concerned about when it comes to 2024,? even >> i think that if we learn anything tonight it is that there are a lot of independents and even some republicans who, they like republicans on crime, and on immigration, but on abortion they really prefer the compromise position that abortion should be safe, legal, and rare, and legal throughout the first trimester. so i think we are going to keep seeing these people and their vote mattering in certain instances and, like you said, this could become a losing issue for republicans. >> you did see some people pulling back from that, harry i want to talk to you about what ed since the supreme court overturned dobbs. what has been happening across the country? how many places have come up with a trying to change things in their state legislatures and rules and have been knocked out? >> yeah, we have had six ballot measures since roe v. wade was overturned and when it came to abortion sentiment. and every, single one of those instances the pro-abortion rights side one. and we're not just talking about blue states like vermont and california, we're talking about red states. we're talking about places like kansas, places like the dakotas. we have seen montana, all of this type of stuff where we have seen clear instances in which abortion has been put on the ballot and, in those particular cases, what we have seen is the pro-abortion rights side has one and another little nugget that i will drop in here is that i was looking at the polling and i was looking at the voters who voted for barack obama in 2012, and then voted for trump in 2020. those voters who are key to trump's coalition, come next year, or actually more in favor of abortion rights and against them. it's something to keep in mind. >> that's fascinating. i want to keep the conversation going. however, we are getting this new information about georgia and the potential that there may be another case coming down the pipe for fulton county and the dea there. this has been talked about by donald trump ad nauseam, there is some fallout from the beginning, how are you feeling about all of this? do you think she is going to bring charges in this case? >> well, certainly, the news broke yesterday that i actually did receive a subpoena for the additional grand jury that is going there, so i am eliminating want to speak about. but certainly, it is turning that direction. it is certainly that duffy's had months if not years to pull all of this together. i think it is not only going to be when but who, and all of those details around it. so much of this as we unpack this, it just solutions and sort of problem that started in the oval office. i mean, that is really what this is all about. dream up some crazy concocted idea and then go try to find micro points and facts and descended tweets and create a ground scurry. that is what we saw play out and it literally captured the attention of an entire party and even in years removed were still affected by it. >> i'm curious, are you talking about donald trump doing it or are you talking about the biden administration doing that? >> i'm talking specifically about the 2020 election cycle and donald trump in the oval office. in his administration, to watch that continue to stir the pot and put us in such a bad political position where we are today. it should be the easiest election cycles for republicans to win the white house, statistically speaking. it should be a layup for us, but we continue to put the weakest person, in my opinion, on the top of the list. but we still have time and there is a lot of work to be done. >> do you think he has any chance of winning if he becomes the nominee? >> i do not. i think it would be the biggest gift ever, every dollar written to donald trump goes, in my opinion, directly to joe biden's campaign. >> jeff? >> diminishing returns on donald trump for years and he is not gaining the electorate in any of this. you could talk all day long about why corbin maga voters are unperturbed by these indictments, but fundamentally he cannot grow a share of the electorate and that's why i think anyone who looks at the numbers the says that there is no universe in which donald trump can beat joe biden. but something that decide, georgia is really interesting. so much of what the president has been claiming is that he can't get a fair trial and grand jury in the washington d.c. because it is a blue city. now he is potentially the case going before a georgia grand jury. completely different political landscape, it is a purple state, democrats narrowly run this state. it is going to be very hard for him to make this, but it will be very hard. and ultimately, this is a jury that will decide this. fani willis is serving the people of georgia who faced the disenfranchisement of their vote. >> i have something stuck in my throat. lauren coleman, harry, jeff, i think i got it all right. thank you so much of that for that great discussion. i'll try to stop choking on myself. i appreciate you guys having that discussion, just ahead, the montgomery alabama riverside doc brawl. the video has gone viral and people across the country are talking about it. up next, a one-on-one interview with montgomery's police chief. we will hear directly also from an eyewitness who shot kyiv idiot of that melee. ♪ (upbeat music) ♪ ( ♪ ) constant contact's advanced automation lets you send the right message at the rightime, evertime. 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it has a lot to do with many black and brown folks feeling like they are under attack in different ways right now. from whitewashing american history in florida to a famous country singer using -- warning them what would happen if they did that in a small town. to the hopelessness of crime affecting black communities and this latest slight, today these are trumps words on the campaign trail about the black female d.a. in georgia. >> they say there is a young woman, a young racist in atlanta. and this is a person that wants to indict me. she's got a lot of problems, but she wants to indict me to try to run for some other office. >> it is hard to fight against all that, but in this case, black people, in particular, showed up for each other. black bystanders, men and women, jumped in to help the black co-captain who is just trying to do his job. he faced an apparently unprovoked attack by a white man, and then a mob of people jumped on to him and beat him down until black bystanders ran, and even swam to his aid. above the melee, both black and white people took the video doing their part so that one please did show up they could see what really happened and how it started. joining me now is montgomery police chief daryl albert. thank you, sir, for being here. >> thank you very much sir, thanks for having me. >> chief, you have rolled out crimes or rioting charges, but hate crimes in particular you have ruled those out. why is that? >> well, i tell you, we looked at it internally. we looked at the entire case in it's totality and we looked at the merits of the case and we not only talked about these internally, but we have reached out to a local state and federal partners to say that we are heading down the right path, that we are a prying appropriate charges and based on the matrix for hate crimes, it just did not meet that threshold. i will say that this investigation is ongoing. i know you heard that, and the community has heard that over and over again, but it is ongoing. as new developments come forward we will and then charges as necessary, or as needed. so we continue to ask the public to provide those pieces of video, surveillance tools to come forward, and be good witnesses for elsa so that we can continue this investigation and let it go whatever path it takes. if it rises to the level of hate crimes, then it rises to the level of inciting a riot, or whatever that look like. we will do just that. so, hats off to the community, hats off to everyone who participated and got themselves involved and talked to the montgomery police department and gave that much needed video and witness statements to help us properly charge at this time. >> i want to ask you about that. had that video not surfaced, had that not been the start of what appeared to be the start of it, and how it all began, do you think the police would have had the tools to arrest of the right folks and all of this? >> well, you know, what we did was detained 13 individuals on the spot. those 13 individuals were brought over to police headquarters and interviews went on for hours and hours. at the time we did not have the luxury of all the videos that we have seen now that even i have all seen and that the world has seen. basically what we had was witness statements and he said she said. so our police officers and detectives had to decipher all of that and then apply the procreate charges at that time. again, as we gained more information and get more video, as we talked more individuals as charges to be amended then they will be amended appropriately as necessary to make the final judgment on this case. but, again, that is not indicative of what we are here in the city of montgomery. we strive hard to be a fun community city and we just love all of the things that we have going on in the city at this time. there is a lot of growth, there is a lot of visitors coming here to see what the city asked offer and this is not going to set us back. this is something that will help us get through this and move forward, move forward as a city, move forward as a group of people that is here to help each other and love and learn and enjoy our city. we welcome folks to come, montgomery's open. this was an isolated incident and again we are going to move forward from this. >> can you tell, me, sir where arrests might happen? you talked about more charges, but do you see more arrests happening as well? >> well, we are surely looking at every piece of evidence that has come in. we have hundreds of videos and witness statements at this time and, you know, i would say at this point it is highly likely that more arrests and more individuals will face charges. >> okay, so more arrests and more people facing charges. i want to take a look at this video, a lot of people talking about the man wielding a folding chair during the brawl. important to know that he is being put in restraints by officers doing this, and you are still looking to speak with him. why? >> well, we have identified him and we know that, based on what we know now, with that chair incident, we need to interview him and we need to continue our investigation with regards to what happened without chair. you know, where that leads us, it will be determined when that individual comes forward. we have appealed to that individual through the media to reach out to the montgomery police department so that we can have that discussion. if charges are appropriate, charges will be filed. we are asking him to come forward, we are asking him to come forward so that we don't have to go out and get him. he is got an opportunity to turn himself in and sit down with our detectives and find out where we go next from here. >> chief albert, i'm curious to get your take on why you think that this has turned into a viral video that people are discussing on a hourly bases over the past three days. what do you think it is about what happened there in montgomery that has really sparked a lot of conversation about this? >> you know, montgomery is the birthplace of this war its movement. there is no doubt that we have a lot of civil rights icons here. we have the legacy museum, we have a lot of different items in terms of rosa parks court score downtown, and so what happened here in the past it left an impression on the city. it has left an impression on the country. and so of course folks from the community, they are very concerned and i want to make sure that we do the right thing. and we want to do the right thing. that is why we are slow and methodical and making sure that we are reaching out to each and every one of our local state partners to make sure that we get this right from the start. >> chief, thank you so much for coming on and giving us the latest that you can on this case and we will be checking in with you as time goes on. you have mentioned that there could be more arrests and charges coming, we will definitely stay in close contact with you, we appreciate your time, sir. >> thank you very much. >> all right, now we want to bring in chris owen, she is a witness to the brawl. thank you so much for being here. you were there, i think you are on the river boat with your husband and daughter. you ended up filming the incident. why do you think it was important to do that? >> i was filming it for a different reason, just because i thought it was unbelievable that the guys didn't move the pontoon boat. but when the first punch game i knew that i had to keep rolling so that the police would know where it started. i just wanted the first punches to be out there in the news and in a police in case something was to come and, of course, something came. >> i am curious did you talk to police at all when they got there, show them the video, this is how it all began. it is not what you might think it is getting here after it was started there, appears by that gentlemen in the hut who is just. attacking this man for doing a job, it appears. >> that is right. when i disembark to the boat there was a police officer just a few feet onto the dock and i did, i stopped and i started my video just at the place before the punches started, i want to show you that i caught it. he was overwhelmed, he was confused on what was going on and there are other people with videos that they wanted to show. so although i did kind of put my camera in his face to show the video. he didn't need me to stick around and as a left that is when i thought, i'm going to contact a news agency in montgomery to see if they want what i have. >> wow, the fact that you want to police and said hey, look, i saw how it started, i have video of how it started, i needed to know this so that the right people are put under arrest is pretty powerful. krista, in some of the deals we have seen people on the boat, they can be heard yelling for someone to go help the co-captain who standing there trying to get them to move the pontoon boat. what were you thinking about as you are watching all of this unfold? >> oh, it was very helpless feeling. i know how helpless that man must have sold, but we were forced spectators and this was a human atrocity that was happening. none of us can do anything and then one of the crew mended jump ship and swim and i thought,, okay there is our hero, somebody is doing something. but the rest of us it was a horrific moment to watch. >> the internet has lit up with means and people who have said that they felt quite proud of the fact that black folks stood up for someone, that they got there, they did something. but you also took a video of something that was really significant in this case. why do you think this is taking on the kind of attention that it has. >> there was a man just doing his job and that was my vantage point. our crew man, who has found out later was a co-captain, he was trying to get us to dock so that we could leave the boat and enjoy the rest of our evening. we had a job to do, the men on the pontoon boat did not listen to the captain's request over and over again and this guy was saving our night. so when he was assaulted it was just mind-blowing. unnecessary attack and i really believe alcohol was involved, on the part of the men on pontoon. you can see them with cops in their hands. from where i stood, they just seemed angry that any would have touched their boat and moved it. unfortunately our crew man was the one who did it. >> doing his job. thank you for taking the video, thank you for sharing your story with us, and thank you for talking to police to let them know what you had because it certainly is in evidence now. i appreciate you coming on the show. >> thank you, ma'am. >> the story is resonating among so many americans, especially black folks, but what if there was no video to record what really happened on the dog. we'll talk about all that, next. ♪ chevy silverado s what it takes to do it all. with up to 13 camera views. and the z71 off-road package. ♪ you ok? 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what is it about what we all saw? >> there are multiple reasons. one, obviously the main aspect of it and not especially comes from the guy that was swimming from the river boat near the dock who people are calling -- scuba gooding jr. was my favorite one. >> analysts mean content there. on a more serious note, the people that really were shocked by this video was because it evoked an image of three or four white guys beating up a defenseless black guy, which obviously evokes memories of racist violence, especially given the location. now, that is a separate question, that emotional and psychological resonance. it's a separate question from what the actual motivations were in this case. it could just be a case of a drunk idiot starting a fight for no reason letting his emotions get out of control, rays may have had nothing to do with it. or race may have had something to do with it, but people jumped to that conclusion on an emotional and psychological level simply because of the image. >> what are your thoughts on that? because i think there is one more element here that i keep seeing talk about, where they see black folks coming to the aid of other black americans. is that part of this? >> i think it's certainly a part of it. there is, coleman in our talking before about this sense of entitlement a run these white guys who had their pontoon boat moved, as it should have been moved obviously, to attack this guy. as coleman just said, there's no way to take out of the racial lens from what is taking place and why we're so interested by it. at the same time, this comes amid some very unrelated stories of other violence right here in new york city there was a riot basically in union square after an influencer said he is going to give away game controllers and he didn't and people were in union square and there was this paroxysm of violence that took place. we're seeing this with musicians having stuff thrown at them, and there seems to be an ambient rage that's in our country right now. and i find it as a rabbi and a journalist profoundly worrying. >> why is that? is it covid being cooped up and having all of these feelings that you can't express, what is going on where people are lashing out at this just appalling way? >> it seems clear there is no one answer. new york mayor eric adams blames social media. social media, it doesn't always lead people to rioting in union square. we don't know, was it just some three drunk idiots with her pontoon boats, don't touch my boat. we don't know. was there are racial element, was this part of the general rage among some people that their country is being taken away from them? does it come from trump, irresponsible politicians and journalists who are stoking anger rather than calming it? personally i also think there might be a lane here. i think about that line in mccarthyism, have you no sense of decency, sir? who is standing up for decency? i think it's our opportunity for -- but i don't think it is political, i see this as all of these incidents as symptoms of a simmering anger in our culture that has profound roots and a lot of causes but something that we haven't been dealing with in a serious way. >> to defend eric adams slightly, social media plays a role. the fact that everyone has smartphones nowadays, everyone is their own journalist means that we see so much of what goes on in the world where as 20 years ago, brawls like this would break out at bars and no one would capture it. but now we have to see all of it. >> no one would pay attention to it. the arab spring, there is a lot of things that started because of social media, to see those in a very good light and others don't. i do want to make the point that the police chief that we just spoke to, that they are not being charged, those who have been arrested with a hate crime. but they're looking at other potential charges that may come up the more they look at the video they are going to decide what to do and whether more people will be charged and whether that will come up. but at this point in time, what we saw was a black man doing his job and him getting punched in the face by someone who hasn't even in the argument and then being piled on by a bunch of that man's, i don't know, friends? we don't know? but it was definitely race was visible to everyone. >> just speaking to what the police chief said, the bar for hate crimes is and should be high. there is clearly a racial element what is happening in this interaction, but we want the bar to be high. we don't want hate crimes to just be something that are added on to any other kind of a charge. their house to -- he has to have been targeted because of his race and so, there doesn't seem to be the evidence -- there may be, as the police chief said, but as of now there is not evidence for that. but we should distinguish between the hate crime charge, which has a very high bar, and just to the complexity of what is really happening in this situation. >> in montgomery alabama. one of the people that was arrested is going to jail in selma, a lot of people talking about that as well because of the history. up next, possible shark sightings. we are doing a lot today. off the beaches of long island, one day after a woman was bitten by a shark at new york city beach. we will get answers on what the heck is happening from wildlife nation host -- ♪ (upbeat music) ♪ ( ♪ ) constant contact's advanced automation lets you send the right message at the right time, every time. the right message at th( ♪ )ht time, constant contact. helping the small stand tall. shark scare at a popular new york city beach. a 65-year-old woman is in stable condition after being bitten by a shark while swimming at rockaway beach. this is a six inch architect reported in new york so far this summer, and tonight new york authorities are telling cnn that there has been multiple shark sightings at long island beaches today following last night's attack. so what is happening? let's get answers from wildlife biologist, super excited he is here, jeff or when they host of abc's wildlife nation. jeff, i want to look at a picture really quickly first from our affiliate wcbs that shows the woman being treated by first responders. this shark bite is the first confirmed attack in new york city in 70 years. are we seeing more of them now, or are we just hearing about the more? >> well, sarah, i think it is a combination of all of that. if you were to compare the shark attack rate of this year to last year they are just about equal. i think we have out a couple of more encounters this year, but we also have much more technology. we have technology in the water so that we can detect these animals, we have transponders and transducers that actually pick up the movement of these creatures. we have this smart technology rate here that allows us to be connected, not only to visually capture these moments for social media, but also multiple apps. my phone alone i have to apps that allow me to track sharks. so i think we are more connected and sensitive to them. we are also seeing more sharks than we had years ago. two, three, four decades ago the shark populations had collapsed. but sarah, around here, especially in new york and where i live in new england, i live in an island of cape cod, we have an explosion. the bunker, what we call the man hayden, we have the mackerel, for the bigger sharks we have seals, the gray seals and harbor seals. more food means more sharks. >> sensibly it is a good thing that there are more sharks, the warships have been warming up and of the fish are dying of and other issues that we have seen. i want to ask you, a little bit, about some of the things you just mentioned. you can track them on your phone. can people find out exactly where they are at any given time? because it is terrifying for a lot of people going into the, water especially after the movie jaws in the 70s. we all had this sort of real fear of sharks especially -- even because doesn't have not often. >> sarah, it's a great observation. first of all, when peter ventrally wrote jaws, which was a huge commercial hit and of course the movie was even bigger, he immediately, when that movie came out, he immediately regretted writing that book and became an advocate for shark conservation because -- i remember at that time i, was a little kid when that came out, and everyone was terrified to go into the water because of this book. the other thing that you touched on, which i think is so important, is that sharks are what we call a sentinel species. they are the aquatic canary in this oceanic coal mine around us. when we see sharks they indicate, as an indicator species, that an ecosystem is healthy. when ecosystems collapse they can no longer sustain their apex predator and we lose those sharks. so it is actually a nice sign. of course, you don't want to be on the wrong end of a shark, so there are things we can do to avoid that, but having sharks around is good for our ecosystem and it tells us that things are in a good place environment really. remember this, sarah, i don't know if this gives you comfort or not, but when you are in the water, whether it is new england or new york, new jersey, and that is a nice clean, pristine beach, you are never more than 300 feet away from a shark. hopefully that will put you at ease tonight. >> this might be controversial, but i'm actually not afraid of sharks. i groping florida, different things were just interesting to me. maybe that is not good on my part. but i want to ask you, what do you do to try to not attract sharks? should you stop the splashing around? what can you do? >> it's a great question, and before i touch on that let me go back to the conference of asian story. while we are seeing an increase in shark populations. the great whites are here because of the seals and other things. around the world it is a different story. we have lost sharks because of ecosystems collapsing, and from the black market wildlife trade. last year, over 100 at 100 million sharks were killed. so what do we do? what are the chances of something going south with a shark? you have better chance of being struck by lightning twice in your life than being attacked by a shark. it is incredibly, incredibly rare, although probably in florida you have a better chance than anywhere else to be struck by lightning. so what is happening now in our environment. why could these very rare, negative moments, these encounters with sharks happening off the coast of the tri-state area? one reason is that it is the time of year. all the bait's ear. i am a voracious fishermen and i go out to look for the bait to go catch the -- antuna. those sharks argue to capitalize that on that debate and on the fish that eat the bait. also, we have had tons of thunderstorms and environmental instability that literally creates a soupy environment. so lots of washout from storm drains, low light conditions, that increases the conditions for a very rare negative encounter with a shark. so in those situations i am just very careful when i'm in the water. >> when it looks all muddy and soupy watch out, and don't swim near fishermen is what i've learned. you also might get hooked. >> and florida, that is actually very true. because there is so much competition on these fishing grounds and the shark population has exploded, the fish population is shrinking, and there is a lot of competition. you very well could catch a fish, put it in the, water and then be inside a shark. >> i'm glad i'm inside, you're talking about getting struck by lightning. it happens more than getting bitten by a shark. jeff gordon, it's always wonderful to talk to you, thank you so much for coming. on >> my pleasure. >> up next, the man who shot megan thee stallion back in 2020 is sentenced to ten years behind bars. that story, when we come back. s my third time selling to carvana. yoyou just enter your license plate or your vin, ananswer a few questions. boom, yoyou get a real offer. sell your car to carvana today. introducing the limited edition disney collection from blendjet. nine exciting designs your whole family will adore blendjet 2 is portable, which means you can blend up nutritious smoothies, protein shakes, or frozen treats, just about anywhere! recharge quickly via usb-c. it even cleans itself. order yours now from blendjet.com and bring a little disney into your life. try killing bugs the worry-free way. not the other way. zevo traps use light to attract and trap flying insects with no odor and no mess. they work continuously, so you don't have to. zevo. people-friendly. bug-deadly. recording artist tory lane the man convicted of shooting megan thee stallion in the foot in 2020 is sentenced today to ten years in prison. back in december, los angeles jury found lanes guilty of three charges, including assault with a semi automatic fire arm. the megan thee stallion accused lanes of shooting her in the foot after she exited a vehicle following an argument. megan thee stallion facing an unbelievable amount of criticism. her critics did not believe, or spread false information, attacked immersive bully even though she was the victim in the shooting. stli addressed the shooting to all makes-ing saying that as i reflect on the past three years i view myself as a survivor because i have truly survived the unimaginable. thank you so much for watching, our coverage continues. with new scope squeez mouthwash concentrate, just add water. squeez to control the strength of your mouthwash. and find a zone all your own. ♪ ♪ scope squeez. ♪ (upbeat music) ♪ ( ♪ ) constant contact's advanced automation lets you send the right message at the right time, every time. 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