I believe in the american people, and i believe in the fact that jurors will listen fairly and impartially. And for people who say they wont, dana, those are people who believe only in themselves, like donald trump and not the american people. Former Vice President mike pence says he has no plans to testify in a federal trial of trumps efforts to overturn the 2020 election, but he says he will comply with the law if called to be a witness. The day before january 6th, if memory serves, they came back, his lawyers did, and said we want you to reject votes outright. They were asking me to overturn the election. I had no right to overturn the election. You can say right here that you will rule out voting for donald trump again for president . Dana, i will tell you, i dont think well have to make that decision. What if you do . Im confident ill be able to support the republican nominee, especially if its me. Lets get some reaction now from one of the contenders vying for the republican nomination. Joining us live from iowa, republican president ial candidate, former governor of arkansas asa hutchinson. Governor, thanks so much for being with us. We appreciate it. Lets just get right to it if we can. This past week, as you heard, trump, the leader of the Republican Party, the current frontrunner for the gop nomination, was indicted on charges of attempting to overthrow the 2020 election. He traveled to washington for his arraignment. Since then, hes been issuing these threats on social media, saying, if you go after me, im coming after you. He described the Special Counsel, jack smith, as deranged. Hes now attacking the judge handling the case, saying theres no way he can get a fair trial from her. How do you think the judge should handle this situation . Does he need to be issued a warning, do you think . Well, i think she will, and of course theres a whole trough of evidence thats going to be turned over to the defense which theyll show and share with donald trump. And what he does with that information is a legitimate question. Obviously if he sees something to his political advantage, hes going to put it out on social media, and thats a concern if its used to intimidate witnesses. You know, the last statement, im not sure who that was focused on, and theyre going to have to explain that. It could be his political competitors in this race or a member of congress, that if you criticize me, im going to go after you. So its both a political threat but also who knows where else he intended that to go . Yeah. But he said that on social media about a day after he was arraigned in Federal Court in washington. I mean it doesnt take too much of an imagination to infer he was directing that at people involved in the case. Well, certainly, and thats why i know the judge will be concerned about it. Again, if you look at it from an evidentiary standpoint, discovery is not intended to be put out into the media. Now, theres two defense strategies. One, they want to keep the Public Relations, which is that they believe donald trump has been victimized. Hes been picked on. Im here in iowa. Theres a sense among republicans that thats exactly the case. So theres sympathy for him. And then secondly, a part of their defense is that its free speech, that he had a political rally there that hes entitled to. So this is not easy for the prosecution. Its a heavy burden of proof as it should be. And so thats the Defense Strategy, and of course the prosecutions going to really have to show this goes beyond political speech if theyre going to make their case. Let me ask you about what trump said at this rally last night in south carolina. He was railing against the indictment. Lets listen to this. Virtually every poll where kicking bidens ass, and thats the problem. If i wasnt, we wouldnt be under investigation by deranged jack smith. Hes a deranged human being. You take a look at that face, you say that guy is a sick man. Theres something wrong with him. Governor hutchinson, you worked at both the federal and the state level. I mean, i just wonder what your thoughts are on the current republican frontrunner, the former president , railing against the Special Counsel in that fashion, a Justice Department employee. And based on this behavior, im curious how you could contemplate supporting him as the nominee of the Republican Party based on how hes acting right now. Well, hes acted like he has before, and its always an affront to him. Hes always the victim. And here you have the importance of our Justice System at stake, and he attacks it left and right. And the bottom line is that this case is going to be resolved based upon the facts and the law thats presented in the courtroom. Then the Public Relations goes out the window. Then all of his bluster goes out the window and its determined based upon the case that is presented. I dont think its a good Defense Strategy to be attacking either the judge or the jury pool in washington, d. C. Or the prosecutor. It doesnt make sense, but hes playing to his crowd because hes intertwined both his campaign with his legal Defense Strategy. So the voters are going to have to sort this through. Its not easy for them, and hes making it complicated for them. And so were counting on the voters to make sure they put their mind both to the evidence in the trial but also looking at how we can better support and reform our criminal Justice System to make it work better. Yeah, and let me ask you about the race. Why do you think your other republican opponents arent seizing on these indictments, hitting trump harder . It sounds like a lot of these other gop rivals in the field, theyre sort of tiptoeing around really going after the former president. Youre one of the exceptions. Former new Jersey Governor Chris Christie is one of the exceptions. But many of the others stop short of going after the former president on these indictments. Its kind of astounding to somebody youre speaking with right now who has covered a lot of president ial campaigns. Typically, you know, if a candidate gets indicted, the other candidates in the race pound him. Why isnt that happening . Well, its, again, because of the victimization that donald trump has portrayed himself as being the result of the criminal Justice System that is tainted against him. Why do people fall for that if you dont mind me interrupting . Why are people falling for that . What is he the victim of . Hes not the victim of anything. Well, i agree. He brought this on himself. But youre asking me about the voters and why its difficult. It starts with alvin bragg that brought a questionable case. That looked like political influence in the case and politically motivated. So that starts tainting the prosecutions. So its not justified. You know, the former president has brought this on himself. Hes going to be held accountable in a court of law on it. But its a challenge with the Republican Voters because they see a Justice System that needs changing, and thats why i support the criminal Justice System, but i also want to see it reformed. Thats why i sent a whole package of Reform Measures that focuses their jurisdiction more, brings in more accountability and transparency. Thats the right way to approach it. There are challenges, but it should be separated from the case that donald trump faces. Hes going to have to answer in a court of law, and i just simply make that case to the voters as i talk to them. And i think these things will change as we go further into the campaign season. And in an interview with npr this past week, you said you were optimistic that trumps grip on the gop could loosen. Lets show that poll, though, that shows how things are going in iowa. A new poll of Iowa Republicans who say theyre voting for trump shows that more than half of them are only considering him. Hes also leading his next closest rival, ron desantis, by double digits in that state. Youre out there in iowa. Youre talking to people out there. When you talk to them, does the name trump come up . Are they talking about other things . What makes you think you can change the dynamic there in iowa . I talked to hundreds of iowa voters tonight, incredible event. And i asked them, one, do you want donald trump on the debate stage . Most of them say yes because they want to see them all together and how they respond to each other. And they take they know theyll be asked questions about the case itself. They want to know how he responds to that. And then secondly, theres a lot of trump support, absolutely, and theres a sense whether theyre for trump or somebody else, that the system has not treated him fairly. But they also recognize they need to move away. Thats a very gradual process. So this is going to be, you know, a pot coming to a boil over time, and its going to take the debate. Its going to take a lot of examination by iowa voters really to sort through who theyre going to support. What was encouraging to me tonight is the number of iowans that had stickers on im an undecided iowa voter. Theres a whole bunch of those stickers that are out there. Lets turn to the first debate happening later this month. You said youre close to halfway to reaching the required donor threshold. Are we going to see you on that debate stage . Are you going to be able to make it . I am thanks to the support of people all across the country. Its asa2024. Com. A dollar helps us get on the debate stage. But were making progress every day. Weve got a lot of things planned in the coming weeks to make sure that we get there. People expect me on the debate stage. I want to be able to speak to the issues that weve talked about today. Its important for them to hear that. Is there something wrong with the Debate Qualification Process in your party if donald trump, who has three indictments hanging over his head, can make the debate stage and somebody like yourself, whos been the governor of the state of arkansas, cant get on the debate stage . That doesnt sound right. Well, ive made it clear i it doesnt sound right. I dont like the requirements in place, but we have to abide by them. Weve got to get to 40,000. Ive already complied with the requirement in polling numbers. So weve made the National Polling requirements. Weve just got to get the number of donors to qualify. Then youve got to sign a pledge as well. So a lot of restrictions to get on that debate, but its important to be there. Iowans and New Hampshire folks are looking at that debate to start separating the candidates. So everything is wide open until that time. You know, governor, i wonder if youve had conversations with members of your party, leaders in your party, and had any kind of discussion about what happens if trump is convicted and sentenced to prison around the time of next years republican convention. Has anybody thought this through inside the party . What would be the party do at this point if all of a sudden your nominee is hauled off to jail . Well, ive thought it through, and thats why i asked for an exception. I dont want to sign a pledge that says im going to support somebody whos been convicted of serious crimes. But, you know, theyre not trying to get in the middle of that. Of course theres a constitutional limitation on doesnt disqualify him. I believe he is morally disqualified, and he ought to withdraw. But the rnc does not share that view, and so we could be in a real predicament. Thats why donald trump wants to postpone all these trials until after the election. And its going to be up to the judge to say not just the defendant has the right to a speedy trial, but the government does as well, and the public does. That speedy trial requirement is for the public at large that we have speedy access to our Justice System. And so its up to the judges. I hope its resolved before the election is over with. All right. I guess well have to see if that happens. Good luck tonight at the event there in cedar rapids. Former Governor Asa Hutchinson, thanks so much for your time. We appreciate it. Thank you, jim. Good to be with you. In the meantime, its a real possibility. What happens if former President Trump returns to the white house and then gets convicted . Thats another possibility, i suppose. Well ask a legal expert about that, if trump could actually serve his term. 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As former President Trump faces a range of criminal charges related to 2020 election subversions, Many Americans may be wondering could he serve as president if convicted . Lets get some answers to that and more from one of the countrys leading experts on election law. Rick hasen joins us now. Hes the director of Safeguarding Democracy Project at the ucla school of law. Rick, great to see you. This is a question thats on a lot of americans minds. I mean, could he somehow assume the Oval Office Even after being convicted . I was talking to former Governor Asa Hutchinson about this in a similar fashion a few moments ago. What happens if trump is convicted and sentenced to jail and this happens right around the republican nomination, but i suppose it could happen before inauguration, and we ask that question too. What if . Can he go into the oval office . Well, the first thing to say is that the constitution has very few requirements to be president. You have to be 35, natural born citizen. You have to be a resident of the United States for a certain period of time. Thats it. So, you know, trump lives in florida. If he were a convicted felon, he wouldnt be able to vote for himself but nothing in the constitution says he cant serve. Rick, the other question that has come up, and, you know, ive talked to a former trump adviser about this, who has said all they want to do is push these cases past the ele