Indictment of donald trump. The federal judge overseeing trumps Election Fraud case has responded to a court filing from special counsel jack smith late last night. Smith wants a protective order after trump posted this last night. It says, quote, if you go after me, im coming after me. Smith wants the judge to stop trump and his legal team from publicly discussing sensitive evidence and hes citing that social media post as one reason why. The judge has given trump until monday. Smith called it an unnecessary delay when trump asked to push it back. A california democrat who served on the january 6th select committee, congressman, thank you for joining me. Your sense of what has been taking place over the last 24 hours, the special counsel is asking the judge to issue this protective order to restrict trump and his lawyers from publicizing sensitivity evidence. Theyre noting this social media post that came from trump yesterday evening essentially leveling a threat. An unspecified generic threat. I suppose some could infer that he was trying to send a warning to people involved in this case. Well, yes, it certainly is an obvious reading of that. Hes coming after people. I understand some of his supporters said it was in a political sense. But any ordinary person reading that would come to the conclusion that he would be coming after people he perceived as opposed to him. Seeking this Pregnantive Order is not unusual. Theres a protective order already in the florida documents case. It is not uncommon in criminal cases. If they are going to share all the evidence with the testimony, they need to be sure that wont be put out in the public to intimidate witnesses, make people afraid to speak. And we do know that the expresident has a record of threatening and demeaning other judges, their families, lawyers who are prosecuting. So this is not something that is just out of the air. And i think the Special Prosecutor has a legitimate concern that people who night speak up would be afraid, that witnesses testimony would be chilled. It doesnt prevent the president from speaking. It just prevents him from publicizing the evidence that he receives from the Special Prosecutor. Is it your sense, congresswoman, based on your work that the president will Start Playing these kinds of game and it may dove tail with his defense teams legal strategy. If he can go out there and stir up a hornets nest and it promise them to say to the judge, we need a protective order. You can see where ill going. The former president could do this from now until there is a trial and that would play into his play book, as you know all too well, of delay, delay, delay when he gets into legal hot water. Well, his game is delay. We know that. From the way he dealt with us in the january 6th committee. Always delaying matters, trying to prevent them from being heard. I think it is interesting that the trial judge did not allow delay. It as to be filed by day after tomorrow. Trumps lawyers asked for an extension. She denied it. So a decision will be made quite soon. Hes not going to be able to engage in unreasonable delay unless the Trial Court Judge goes along with it, and thats not her reputation. Shes no nonsense. Just a day after this arraignment, and this third criminal indictments, trump was joking that four may be his lucky number. Here what he said at a rally last night. Every time they file an indictment, we go way up in the polls. We need one more indictment to close out this election. One more indictment and this election is closed out. Nobody has even a chance. Its true that trump has remained the front runner and he seems to invite these indictments coming his way. What is your reaction to what hes saying . Well, i dont know what to make of it. I guess he believes that his supporters are further energized when hes charged with a crime. I think thats kind of weird. But perhaps its true. It has nothing to do with what kael of justice plan to do. They have to charge it. He doesnt have strong defenses on indictments. It looks lick his biggest to defense. And when you read the special counsels indictment, did you see a lot of the committees work essentially showing up, this very important document from the special counsel . Yes. I did, actually. Starting at the beginning, it was the tail that we were able to tell from the evidence we uncovered almost completely. There were a few things we did not uncover. For instance, mike pence would not talk to us so we didnt know he had taken contemporaneous notes. We didnt know that the president said he was too honest when he refused to go along with the president in overturning the election. We didnt know that there was a discussion about calling out the army to American Cities if he succeeded in overturning the election. For the most part, the scheme that the president , then president was at the center of, the multifaceted effort to overturn the election was uncover. I think it was upheld to the Special Prosecutor. He would have to interview the witnesses himself. He couldnt rely on our interviews. But it looks like he went ahead and did that. And it was a pretty quick process for a federal investigation. It was less than a year. Now we have these serious accusations that have been fail. What is your sense that the special counsel said that former trump essentially told mike pence, youre too honest . Does that say to you that you would have loved to have had him speak to the january 6th committee . Thats one of my questions. Doesnt it set the table, congresswoman, for the former Vice President to be perhaps the star witness, or one of the star witnesses at the former president s trial in this . Well, when i read that, the first thing i thought was pence Rebecause Theed to lie and violate his oath. We already knew that. I think it was really in essence to ask and to be part of the president s dishonest scheme. It is almost an admission of dishonesty from trump. We did hear from the Vice President s people and we did hear a lot. The other witness we dont know about, it doesnt look lake mark meadows fits the description of any of the cocould not spaer or thes that are mentioned in the indictment. Now, i dont know whether something about him is going to come later or whether hes a witness. If he is a witness, he did know a great deal. He was with drum throughout the riot, every step of the way as the the plot was made. He. And i assume mark meadows is someone you want taking the witness stand. He did cooperate to some extent with the january 6th committee until he stopped. He provided the very important. Mark meadows appears to be one of these individuals who do just be a fountain of information for the special counsel in making this case. Ive never really understood why mark meadows provided all of these documents, Text Messages and the like, and then decided not too cooperate. What happened . Whether President Trump, then President Trump prevail upon him, i dont know. Obviously, the information he did provide was very unlightening and we certainly wanted to follow up. If jack smith is able to do that, i believe he will find out a lot. All right. Thank you. A number of trumps defenders have started attacking americas Democratic Institutions. Next, a closer look at how right wing media is reacting to the indictments. And later, win or go home for the we wills soccer team. Theyve struggled a bit. How will they take down sweden . Brandi will be here to break it down. dont gooo dont go away preorder now and get a free storage upgrade. please dont go our ears connect us to the moments that matter. Give them the nutrients they need with lipo. 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What do you think, are net works like fox normalizing trumps actions, misleading viewers . A little bit of both . Thats exactly what theyre doing. If you were to turn on fox or right wing media, right wing radio like breitbart, you would language with these indictments. In world, joe biden is an evil force in that world and hes nefariously using the Department Of Justice as a weapon to target and unjustly imprison his political opponent. Of course, this is not what is happening. But in that world, millions of people are immersed. So theyre walking away with a very different picture of what is taking place with these trump indictments. It is really worrisome because this is the type of rhetoric that leads to violence. When people feel their Democratic Institutions have been taken over by people who dont believe in democracy, who have overthrown institutions, thats what leads them taking action into their own hands. Thats what you saw after january 6th when people felt the electricity was stolen. It raises alarm as trump is prosecuted for these various charges, if people feel that the Justice System is no longer representing american justice but has been weaponized and is, you know, at the hands of a tyrant. Weve been talking about it throughout this program. Just 24 hours after the arraignment, trump has already started to engage once again in this sort of incitement, this language that hes been using on social media. If you come after me, were going after you. And that just raises alarm bells all over again. Like we saw in the days before january 6th. He was saying, this could be wild. He does have an effect on his followers out there. And you know, what is remarkable about what youre saying about fox is that fox executives are said to be pressing trump to take part in the first republican debate. What are you hearing about that . The remarkable thing about this all is that fox is so firmly in trumps corner. They are dishonestly carrying his Talking Points to their millions of viewers. And trump seems to not like fox very much these days. He doesnt think its sufficiently loyal. So over the past year, youve seen him attack fox news, attack rupert murdoch, say the channel is becoming a leftist network is preposterous. So fox news now is hosting the first republican debates later this month and trump is effectively floating the idea of skipping it. Refusing to participate. So you have fox news executives, they dined with trump on the night of his third indictment and they tried to persuade the republican front runner to participate in their debate. But hes no longer seemingly a fan of that network and from his point of view, hes leading the republican field by a substantial number. Perhaps hes thinking, why risk that by going on stage with people who are trailing him significantly. It sounds like a ploy to make fox more trumpy, despite the huge settlement that they had to pay to dominion voting systems. Its remarkable to see the executives having dinner with him the other night. Incredible stuff. Great reporting as always. Thank you very much. In a new article for the atlantic, the Senior EditorRon Brownstein writes, each time gop leaders have had the opportunity to move away from trump, the party has sped past the off ramp. And cnn Political EditorRon Brownstein joins me now. Why do you say this could be a Step Toward Containing American Democracy . It seems perhaps convicting him might also be a necessary step. Necessary but not sufficient. The threat that trump has created and poses to american democracy is probably the most serious weve seen since the civil war. Since the years before the civil war. But its gone way beyond him. We certainly saw in 2020, republicans in the key state closest to the election, by and large with the integrity of their own state, and we saw there were people immediately around trump who are now raising alarms, certainly more visible like bill barr. In between the vast majority of elected officials and rank and File Republican voters, have lined up behind trump. We forget that the vast majority of House Republicans in 2020 voted to overturn the election. To reject the election results. Something like twothirds of the elected Attorneys General joined a spurious lawsuit to overturn the election results. We see in the polling, 70 of republicans, voters still say that joe biden was illegitimately elected. Now 60 say they describe january 6th as a legitimate protest. This is a broad strain in the party and it really does cause you to question whether if trump is the nominee and loses in november, whether there would be any more resistance in the Republican Party than there was in 2020 to him trying to overturn the election in anything short of another fullscale physical assault on the capitol itself. You write that the term of Election Denialism has spread so far throughout the Republican Party. You were just laying that out a few moments ago. Will it ever go away . I think the Election Denialism is rooted in the, tied to the core of American Politics. And i believe for the last 16 years or so, the fundamental fissure between the two parties is between those who are comfortable the way the country is changing dem graphically, economically, culturally, and those who are alienated or fearful of it. Trump has solidified the republican identity, solidified the republican reliance of the voters who are most uneasy about the way the country is changing. In one of his rallies after the election in 2020, in georgia, he was in front of all white rural audience. And he said this is our country. They are trying to take it away through stealing and rigging of elections. And it is clear that he ties this idea of Election Fraud in big cities to this broader concern among his predominantly white, predominantly nonurban, culturally conservative base, that they are losing control of the country. And i do believe that is something that will outlive trump, whatever happens to him legally or politically in 2024. It is now a part of the Republican Coalition that American Politics lfr to deal with for some time. And ron, he seems to be further inflaming what youre talking about here. If you look at what happened just 24 hours after his arraignment. He puts this post up on social media saying if you come after me, were coming after you. And that, of course, promise the special counsel to go to the judge and say, look what hes doing here. You have to be careful about sharing evidence with the Trump Defense team and the defend. Look what he does. Hes also put out a social media post about the Vice President , calling him deranged and so. On it doesnt sound like the judge, the legal system will put guardrails around the former president through this process. He seems to be delighting in all this and using it to inflame his base further. Well, the legal system will face the burden. Trump has taken the lesson from his eight years now on the National Stage that there is essentially no boundary he can cross that can cause a Critical Mass of other republicans to try to convince their voters that this is too far. If you think about all the behavior that is outlined in this indictment, even the discussion of using the army to quell protests if theres an attempt, if there was an attempt to overturn the election. Astonishingly few have said publicly, this is behavior that disqualifies you from being president again. Mike pence has suggested that, certainly. From a ron desantis or t scott, much more likely to echo trump saying he is the victim of