Investigation looked into the efforts by the former president and his allies to subvert Election Results in seven states in which President Biden won in 2020. One state is georgia, where biden had a win in 2020 british trump refused to accept the result and he and his allies engaged in a number of plots to overturn bidens win. Some of these actions were so aggressive they drew attention of the Fulton County District Attorney, who launched her own program 2021. A grand jury has been convened and the former president could face more indictments in the weeks to come. What exactly did trump and his allies do in georgia . What charges they face. We will lay out the entire investigation and piece together what we know about the campaigns, trumps private calls , a major data breach and the plot to subvert the electoral college. Reporter prosecutors in georgia have open a criminal investigation. Reporter investigation into former President Trump because it is generally phone call to the georgia secretary of date. Reporter he tends to include the ministration of the 2020 georgia general election. Donald trump got beat by joe biden. There is no way we lost. That was a rigged election. He went on a warpath like a scolded child to do anything he could to overturn an election. They defrauded us out of a win. We are not going to forget it. I underestimated his willingness to push the envelope as far as he did. To just boldface lie again, and again, and again. Reporter three months after the election the District Attorney in Fulton County, georgia, funny willis, open an investigation into donald trump efforts to overturn the president ial Election Results. This is a criminal investigation. I plan to use the power of the law because it is my responsibility. Willis is known as a prosecutors prosecutor. She is known as a tough cookie who is a real preparer. She likes to say i dont like to try things skinny. I dont like to be in a courtroom unprepared. Reporter it is a matt wayne that willis requested a grand jury to assist in her investigation. This is rare in georgia. Reporter robert james is one of the few District Attorneys is overseeing a special Purchase Rancheria in georgia. Their powers are much of broader than a regular grand jury. Reporter while it does not issue indictments, it can be a useful tool for prosecutor. She wanted to use the powers to subpoena people that she would not have access to. It could get her more information about details of the allegations that she was investigating. Reporter a grand jury was impaneled in may of 2022. After nearly seven months and 75 witnesses, they offered a report in december 2022, recommending indictments. The case has involve some of the biggest names in the trump orbit, as well as some local and state level politicians, many of which you have never heard of. And this entire investigation stems back to a single phone call. Mr. President , everyone is on the line. This is the chief of staff. Reporter to this day, trump says he did nothing wrong. No one found anything wrong. It all started on fani williss full day in the office after she was sworn in as fultons county first female District Attorney. On the morning of january 4th, she walks in and sets her stuff on the desk and immediately takes note of the story that is dominating cable news coverage. Reporter major breaking news. Reporter inside a stunning new pressure campaign. Reporter the president pressuring the Secretary Of State to overturn his defeat in georgia. Snippets of this Extraordinary League phone conversation between donald trump and raffensperger per reporter Brand Raffensperger is the Secretary Of State in georgia and one of the few republicans who publicly stood up against the Conspiracy Theory and claims of Election Fraud after losing the 2020 president ial election. Thank you very much. We appreciate the time and the call. Trump was joined by another of advisers. We could just go over some of the numbers. I think it is clear that we won and we won substantially in georgia. Reporter at the time of the election, Gabriel Sterling was the voting implementation manager. When did you mccall was taking place . About 60 seconds before the call took place reporter what was your thought when you learn he would hop on the phone with the president . I was irritated i was on the call. And then i heard the call the next day. And i was so thankful i was not on the call an hour that the president spoke. It was the greatest hits of all the stuff that weve been debunking for two months. Giving oxygen to this information is leading to a continuing erosion of peoples belief in our elections. Reporter trump appeared to threaten the Secretary Of State. You know what they did and you are not reporting it. That is a criminal offense. You cannot let that happen. That is a big risk to you. Reporter and then there is this i just want to find 11,780 vote, which is one more than we have. Reporter 11,780, the exact number of votes that trump needed to win georgia. How are you taking this in . There was not the boats to find. We checked out all the allegations. We knew we had the right result. Reporter raffensperger refused to budge. Mr. President , the challenge that you have is the data that you have is wrong. Reporter by this Point Raffensperger had overseen three separate ballot counts, conducted many reviews of the process and investigated more than 250 claims of voter fraud. The facts did remain that trump had lost the state of georgia. We had to lean into the law and the facts. We had both on our side. Reporter raffensperger also received a call from lindsey graham. The Secretary Of State left the call believing graham implied he should try to throw out ballots. Graham denies that claim. I asked if the ballots could be matched back to the voters. And then i guess it was thought that i implied you could throw those out. He made a handful of calls to officials in georgia. He called Francis Watson who is an investigator in the Secretary Of States office. I won by Hundreds Of Thousands of votes. Whatever you can do, francis. The former president called chris carr in December Of 2020 asking him, basically, not to get involved as texas was fighting georgias Election Results at the supreme court. Reporter trump also made vocals to officials requesting a Special Session of the legislator. Georgia legislators could appoint their own electors, instead of the ones for biden that the voters had selected. He called the former speaker of the Georgia House of representatives. David ralston, a republican. He made at least two phone call to the governor. Reporter both refused to call for the legislative session. There was a calculated process going on around us in georgia, trying to get us to change our mind. So far we have not been able to find the people with the courage to do the right thing. Reporter this is trump just hours after the governor were declined his request. The governor to stop it easily if he knew what he was doing and donald trump was intimately involved in every process around trying to overturn this election. This was a game of epic proportions. This was somewhat obsessed with overturning the election at all cost. Up next were you flying down to the Georgia State camp little for a Subcommittee Hearing. . Reporter Rudy Giuliani hijacks the georgia legislator. And this future champ. And if we proffer it, we know youll proffer it too. Hes cocky for a nineteen year old. Our ears connect us to the moments that matter. Give them the nutrients they need with lipo. 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No you dethrown the king. Pedialyte. 3x the electrolytes. December 3rd, 2020 began as jen expected. The jen Georgia Democratic state senator went downtown to the capital for meeting. It was a Government Oversight Meeting to talk about what happened in the elections it ended up being a pretty straightforward Committee Heating meeting. We would not know why it spread problems. Okay, we have answered some of these conspiracies. We have dealt with the issues. It felt like an Adult Committee hearing. I went to my office and then i am assuming we get a text. Someone was like, youve got to get over to the capital. Something is going down. s call be subcommittee of the judiciary to order. Reporter unbeknownst to jen jordan, William Ligon convened another special committee to look into questions of Election Fraud. These complaints deserve full investigation. His committee ended up playing host to Rudy Giuliani and many of the Election Deniers related to the Trump Campaign. We love you, rudy. Distinguish members of the community. Thank you for giving us this hearing. I represent President Trump along with jenna ellis. Reporter Rudy Giuliani was not the only surprise appearance. The news media were not the usual characters. People ive the epic times, newsmax all of these various news outlets that had a very particular view, in terms of how they were covering the election, postnovember. It was incredibly troubling. Reporter dear member having any other kind of Committee Proceeding . No. Why are you flying down from d. C. On december 3rd to the Georgia State capitol for some, nothing, Subcommittee Hearing . What triggered serious alarm bells is when the tweet went out from the then president. Reporter President Trump fired up this tweet to his millions of followers ahead of the hearing, directing them to one news network to watch what would unfold at the georgia capital. What did that tell you about who the audience was for this production . It was not me. It was not voters. It was just a random person. They were Trump Supporters, who needed to be fed this conspiracy and be shown that there was evidence. Reporter as Lieutenant Governor at the time, jeff duncan, served as the president of the georgia senate. Those were not official meetings. I did not sanction those. Those were something that have the formality of feeling like official meetings. They wanted a Special Session because that added one layer of authenticity. Reporter perhaps the most egregious of allegations came in the form of a video. The trump Team Presented what they claimed was evidence of fraud from election Ballot Tabulating at the State Farm Arena in downtown atlanta. It purported to show a number of nefarious moments, including sending Election Observers home to secretly count ballots. Four people stay behind and continue counting and tabulating well into the night. Reporter they claimed Election Workers were pulling out suitcases of hidden ballots, after others were sent home. Once everyone is gone, coast is clear. They are going to pull ballots out from underneath a table. Reporter and scanning ballots multiple times. How many ballots went through those machines in those two hours, when there was no one there, to supervise . We believe there could easily be be on the margin of victory. The story she told was just telling, in terms of look at what they are doing. The video does not lie. When you look at what you saw on the video, to me, it was a smoking gun. The problem was the video had been selectively edited. Reporter what did you make when you saw this video of what happened at State Farm Arena . There was a magical suitcase full of pallets. It was a valid carrier. It is a normal thing you would have elections. They slice that thing down. They intentionally misled the state senate in order to keep pushing this narrative and get the election thrown out. Reporter so he lied . Yeah. Reporter the fbi and the Department Of Justice also got involved in chasing the allegations. Both came to the same conclusion at the Secretary Of State. My opinion then in my opinion now is that the election was not stolen by fraud. Reporter there was no illegal activity by the Election Workers. There has to be a villain or an enemy. In this hearing, in particular, the villain really was the Election Workers in Fulton County. There is more than ample evidence to conclude that this election was a sham. Reporter once the video was made public and misrepresented as as evidence of fraud, two of the women calving balance, ruby freeman and her daughter, their faces, names and addresses and Phone Numbers were shared online. A motley crue emerged Phoning Freeman and showing up at her home. Stephen lee, a pastor from chicago, dark outside freemans house until she dialed 911. I am stephen lim. I am a pastor. I working with enforcement. Im trying to get to the truth of what is going on. It would be nice if i could talk to her. You want to talk to him . Know. Okay. Reporter almost three weeks later. A publicist who had previously done work for r. Kelly and kanye west also showed up in georgia. Freeman agreed to talk to coody. Allegedly, coody pressured freeman. Offering her protection if she would confess to engaging in Election Fraud, even though freeman had done nothing wrong. Freeman and maas later testified about racist threats that they received. It turned my life upside down. I dont want to go anywhere. I secondguess everything that i do. It affects my life in a major way, every way all because of lies. Reporter giuliani has conceded that he made defamatory statements about the two Election Workers. Nearly other other Georgia Election official who stood up to the lies received similar threats. The personal emails reporter it was not just you, it was your Family Numbers . My wife and myself she got the more vile, personal stuff. State patrol and heightened security and bomb sniffing dogs. There was a website that form that put a picture of my house, my address and my kids names. You should go to jail. You are a judas. You have committed treason. Reporter Me December 3rd hearing would bring even more chaos to the state in the aftermath of the election. When a littleknown attorney appeared. What do you remember about the presentation that day . I thought it was ridiculous. These violations are more than enough. He sought as the duty of the legislature to step in, and basically throw out the will of georgia voters. And for the legislature to convene a Special Session and report their own electors. I dont think it is your authority to that you have a duty to do that and protect the integrity of the elections here in georgia. They do not have a clue what he was talking about. He is wrong. Anyone who can read and especially someone who purports to be some kind of constitutional expert, this does not feel like it is legit. Reporter December 3rd Hearing would not be the only appearance by giuliani and other trump allies in the peach state. Giuliani appeared at two other hearings in front of the georgia legislature. In december 2020, he continued to push the claims of fraud. There are 10 ways to demonstrate this election was stolen, that the votes were phony. Phony ballots. Reporter at the last hearing where he appeared on december 30th, the Senate Subcommittee released a report with their findings. The first stating, quote, be November 3rd 2020 election was chaotic and the results cannot be trusted. That regurgitate a lot of the Conspiracy Theories and halftruths about the vote count in georgia without investigating any claims. That report, in turn, ended up being cited by the Trump Campaign and many others in their push is to invalidate Election Results elsewhere. 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Alex jones out of the kubla at the top, like Dimestore Mussolini just extorting people. Dont let them take this away from you, often the distance. Reporter george judy is a democrat and a local journal to report on politics and mine he called the groups that dissented on the capital after the 2020 election. Faith of the stairs and they are talking about taking over the capital and i to think what exactly are they trying to do there was a conversation that was happening in white ring spaces about disrupting the electoral count. I went to the capital on December 14th. Reporter December 14th was the date that the state electors all across the country would need to certify their vote. I thought maybe the 3 militia or some other group are going to show up and do something stupid and i wanted to bear witness. Reporter did you see those types when you got to the capital . I did not. Reporter Wet Chidi Ditzy was an activist to he recognized from his reporting. Hey, why are you here . He did not make eye contact with me and he went into a room in the capital. Im looking around and who else is seeing this. Does anyone know what is going on . Reporter room 16 at the Georgia State capitol, just one floor below where the democratic electors for meeting to certify the georgia vote for president elect, biden. So you follow him. I went into the room. What is going on here . What are you doing . We are having a meeting read i am looking around. I got to thinking, and then she says, hes got a camera going. Another fellow comes in and gets me out. What is this meeting . She says it is an Education Meeting. And then they all marched me out of the room. They posted someone out front to make sure no one else went in. Reporter reagan visit was an Education Meeting . I was convinced it was exactly what i thought it was. Reporter and what he thought turned out to be right. A group of republican Shadow Electors gathered to sign an illegitimate certification for President Trump. Many of the republicans who serve as alternate electors that mid december day were high up figures in the state party. State senator bert jones, who is now Lieutenant Governor. Reporter bert jones was initially a target of the investigation. But the judge presiding over the special purpose grand jury the District Attorney from investigating him. After fani willis funded a Fundraiser For Jones political opponent. All of the other georgia republicans, her served as Fake Electors, reliable targets in the Fulton County investigation. Though some were granted immunity. At the head of the table was david shafer, who was the current chair of the gop in georgia. Reporter shafer played a key role in organizing the fake slate of electors for the help secure the remain at an, convene them at the capital and served as one of the Fake Electors. Afterwards he said, he had acted in response to what the Trump Campaign had told him. Because the president s lawsuit has not been decided or even heard, we help this meeting to preserve his rights. Had we not have the meeting, his lawsuit would have effectively be mooted. Reporter shafers attorney said he broke no laws and was falling legal advice when he cast a Contention Ballot for trump. What is your impression at that point . It is like david shafer has to Say Something because we have caught them. I thought so. Reporter what you make of that narrative now . I have never been thrown out of a meeting in a public legislative space. That is unheard of. I was not being disruptive. They did not have a good reason to do it. There is no such things as secret meetings at the state capital. That is just not how things work. Reporter does that explanation hold water to you . We were not trying to hide anything . There trying to hide something, at least at first. Reporter shafers attorney told cnn that his client did not try to keep things secret. That claim is contradicted by an email the Fake Electors received just 18 hours before they met at the capital. The email sent by robert, the Election Day Operations lead in georgia at the time asked for, quote, complete secrecy and discretion. He told them to conceal what they were going to do. Reporter the email instructed the Fake Electors to tell Security Guard they were attending a meeting with two then state senators, Brandon Beach and bert jones. According to the author, he was directed to senate by Trump Campaign lawyers and david shafer. And a prophetess process that is probably one of the most important things the government does, to get an email that says to keep the secret and radar, there is no good motive. Reporter he now regrets his part in the scheme. In his opposition to the january 6th committee, he respects expressed regret for his actions. We were useful idiots at that point. A strong part of me feels that is just kind of as the road continued and it was failure, failure, that that got formulated as what we had on the table. Let us just do it. Reporter there is evidence of a larger plan orchestrated by a number of operators in trumps orbit, outside of the state of georgia. Much of that late out from another investigation. The Jerry Sixth Committee On Capitol Hill has helped fani willis in her criminal investigation here. Reporter according to a final report from the january 6th committee, the motivation behind grading the slate of electors in georgia and other states was to create chaos to persuade mike pence to subvert the constitution and fill out the 2020 Election Results On January 6th. The Fulton County prosecutors zeroed in on the part in the plot. They were very interested in his alleged role at the center of coming up with a scheme of appointing these republican electors. Reporter the attorney made unfounded claims of voter fraud. 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About 200 miles southeast of metro atlanta, six Coffee County. It is a rural area with a population of about 43,000. In the 2020 election, donald trump captured about 70 of the vote in this conservative county. It is also the site of a major data breach at the countys election offices, involving some of the most Vocal Conspiracy Theorist in the trump orbit. The story is under the radar. There is an effort to gain access to Voting Systems specifically in georgia and trump wanted to find evidence of fraud in the Conspiracy Theories that he was pushing. Then you could produce the evidence that there was fraud. Reporter Coffee County, seen as a trump area became a target for those looking to access Voting Systems. January 7, 2021, was a day that i finally got it. Reporter and it was all caught on tape. Technicians from the Data Services firm, selden strickler, were let into the Elections Office by kathy lay firm, who was who was the chair of the party in Coffee County. She had served as my 16 Fake Electors in jurors. She denied it had been accessed until Security Footage proved otherwise. It is now shows that she communicated directly with the Election Supervisor in Coffee County about getting access to the office. You see they spend hours inside this room in the office. Reporter scott hall and paul dimaggio, hall is in the lounge area Bail Bondsman who served as a poll watcher and is a trump supporter. Maggio works for strickler. In a statement cnn, sullivan said of the firm was directed by the attorneys who hired them to obtain access to certain data and distribute it to certain individuals. Mac the firm had no reason to believe these attorneys would ask or direct sullivan to do anything either improper or illegal. They were basically able to take an entire copy of the Voting System with the idea it would be used to Pontiff Vulnerabilities and 2. 2 different issues with the Voting Machines themselves. The plan was to use that as evidence of voter fraud. Reporter another shocking twist in the story, the Coffee County data breach would remain secret for 20 months. When did you learn that there was a potential breach involving Coffee County . About a year after it happened. We heard about this, at first, it actually got sprung on us in a lawsuit. Reporter that lawsuit, which is unrelated to the 2020 election, was filed in 2017. After independent coalition to the Secretary Of State over the security of the georgia Voting System. The video of the data breach 11 piece of evidence in that suit. It revealed exactly what the trump supports were up to after he lost the state. They played a snippet of an audio of one of the plaintiffs talking to a person claiming to have done this. Reporter that person was scott hall, the man seen here in the surveillance footage. They charted the jet to go down to Coffee County and then inspect all of those computers. They scan all the equipment and all of the hard drives and scanned every single ballot. Without that reporting and scott hall, we would probably never know what we know now. Reporter the Georgia Bureau of investigation has been looking into the incident was the summer of 2022. He says the investigation is still ongoing. Did you have any sense this was tied to other operatives in the Trump Campaign that was beyond lowerlevel people in Coffee County . Not initially. There were allegations. As you dig down deep, more is revealed. Sydney powell was the one who ended up commissioning the services of sullivan strickler. It is the broader trumps Team Involvement in Coffee County. Reporter powell advocated season Voting Machines from Executive Order from trump at an expose of meeting in december 2020. Another idea that was pitched was raised by Rudy Giuliani. He thought they could coerce or convince local Election Officials to voluntarily give their investigators access to the Voting System. Reporter in other words, exactly what happened in Coffee County on january 7th, 2021. Do you feel like the longer it goes on, it feels like this is bigger than even we realized that the time . When you start with the president of the United States thing that the election was there. Nothing outside of that will be surprising. Nothing is surprising to me. Reporter despite searching for evidence, there is no indication there were any Voting Irregularities discovered during the data breach. To this day, we dont know where the data lives and how exactly the Trump Supporters plan to use it. Of next we are about to have a David And Goliath fight. Reporter the challenges of trying to indict a former president. If they indict him and cannot convict him, there will be an exoneration. Okay. Ill work on that. Save up to 500 on the new sleep number® smart bed. Plus, free Home Delivery when you add an adjustable base. Shop now only at sleep number®. 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I want to speak to georgians. Put down your differences. Put down your partisanship. More than 20 Georgia Residents would go on to face charges. Stemming from their actions in washington, d. C. On january 6th. According to a cnn tally. Donald trump stopped caring about this country the moment he started lying about the election, the Conspiracy Theories that were part of the beginning and ending of january 6th, in my opinion a direct attack against democracy itself. The Conspiracy Theories and lies may have reached their impact On January 6th but even now nor than two years later, donald trump refuses to acknowledge the 2020 Election Results. It was a rigged election. And still cant accept his loss in georgia. We have elections that were horrible. If you look at what happened in atlanta, millions of votes, and all you have to do is take a look at government cameras. Even at the Fulton County District Attorney, fanni willis, is expected to ask a grand jury for multiple indictments, after investigating efforts to overturn the Election Results in georgia. Local officials here, another Trump Indictment fear could spark violence. Especially among Trump Supporters who still believe the last election was stolen. If January The 6th was the result of somebody dropping a few drops of gas on the fire, then i think that these indictments could be like turning open the pump. It really, really causes some problems. I think that we will see a number of sort of far right Fringe Groups become much more active. If these radical, vicious racist prosecutors do anything wrong or illegal, i hope we are going to have in this country the biggest protest we have ever had in washington, d. C. , in new york, in atlanta, and elsewhere, because our country and our elections are corrupt. He has some supporters who will demonstrate in the street in front of the courthouse. Theres a capacity for violence. In the far right that cannot be dismissed. This fake case was brought only to interfere with the upcoming 2024 election. The cases against trump continue to pile up. The former president has already been indicted three times. Special counsel jack smith charging trump with four counts in federal court. For trumps efforts to ub vert the peaceful transfer of power after the 2020 election. Trump and his supporters, activities in georgia, after the votes were cast in 2020, are heavily featured in the 45page federal indictment. Charging him with conspiracy to defraud the United States. President trump reporter trump pleaded not guilty to the latest charges. After pleading not guilty in two other cases. I consider it a badge, a good great beautiful badge of honor and courage. Because im being indicted for you. Reporter a fourth indictment in georgia would only intensify the already Unprecedented Movement in american history. I ran twice. I won twice. In georgia, it isnt just former President Donald Trump prosecutors are looking at. We know they are considering racketeering and conspiracy charges. Allowing the District Attorney to bring charges against multiple defendants who took part in the former president s plot. Here is the armageddon scenario, all right . There is this rico indictment, and theres several Public Officials that are indicted that are in this indictment, and every one of them will have their own army, their team of lawyer, and every one of them is going to be filing all of these motions, and youre going to have to respond to all of them. If she does bring charges, and this does go to trial, what do you think the biggest hurdle for willis is going to be . Her biggest hurdle is going to be can she get a conviction with jurors who essentially are going to be like a snapshot of the electorate. The ridiculous and baseless indictment of me by the biden administrations Weaponized Department Of Injustice will go down as among the most horrific abuses of power in the history of our country. This is not going to be an easy win. I dont care how compelling, how strong your evidence is, how many tapes you have, how many witnesses you have. Reporter and trump isnt just a former president. He also is the leading republican candidate for 2024. How does it feel now to see all of this and donald trump is heading for the white house again . More of the same. A lot of noise thats not supported by the facts. But the candidacy is a point to try to use to his advantage in the courtroom. Here with donald trump, how do you juggle the court dates, again, two, three, four indictments, with campaigning for president of the United States . Yeah, i think thats going to be a legitimate issue he brings up to the court. And while we all want to see some resolution, i dont think theres any question that hes got a good credible case to make that he shouldnt be forced now to have to try his case in the middle of a president ial primary. What happens if hes reelected president of the United States before these cases are decided . I think that hes immune from prosecution at least in the state court. I think in the federal system, it is a different question all together. If he were elected he does hold sort of the ultimate pardon pin and the question is the same with the end of the last term, does he have the authority to pardon himself. Were more than two years past the pressure campaign. The harassment of public and private citizens. The coordinating of Fake Electors. The breach of election equipment. And we still dont know, will trump and his allies face charges here in georgia . And if so, will there be convictions . They rigged the president ial election in 020, and were not going to allow them to rig the president ial election of 2024. Did voters deserve an answer to this question before donald trump became an announced candidate again . I dont think there is any question about that. I mean so from a national perspective, no question about it. From a local perspective, no question about it. Do you see any risk in moving forward with the indictment of former president , setting any kind of a dangerous precedent . I think were setting a dangerous precedent if we dont move forward, if we dont hold him accountable. I think the risk is much more significant. We saw former President Trump lie to the american people. We saw him gin this un. Is it a remedy if he is charged with a crime in georgia. If they indict him and they cant convict him, there will be an exoneration, is that better or worse . I dont know. What message does it sound if they dont go, if you dont charge someone who tried to overturn the results and allowed these sort of threats to permeate . Theres no Good Solutions here. What we see is we actually in our society, where lady justice is blind and it doesnt matter if youre rich, poor, black, white, democratic or republican, if you lie or violate the law, youre going to be charged. The Fulton County grand jury is decided to decide in august whether to bring any charges against trump and his allies. If so, a new jury will be seated to hear the case and a date yet to be set by the trial judge. Thanks for watching the whole story. Ill see you next sunday. Good morning, everyone. It is saturday, august 5th. Im amara walker. Im victor blackwell. Youre in the cnn newsroom. Special counsel jack smith is taking aim at former President Trump after he appeared to make threats against his opponents. Last nig