former president trump now making his way back to his golf club in new jersey. earlier pleading not guilty to four criminal counts tied to alleges that he conspired to overturn the 2020 election. and that courthouse where he was is symbolically so crucial. just blocks from where trump supporters stormed the capitol on january 6th. an insurrection fueled by what the indictment calls trump's pervasive lies and election fraud. >> today's 27-minute hearing marks his third arraignment in just four months. our reporter in the courtroom said trump appeared angry, his hands collapsed as he stared straight ahead. we're also told he had what appeared to be some heated conversations with his attorney, todd blanch. the judge also sitting, setting the next hearing for august 28th. which is just days after the first republican primary debate. >> and wolf, trump responding to today's hearing speaking briefly to reporters. he railed against the judge. in the hearing. >> when you look at what's happening, this is a persecution of a political opponent. this was never supposed to happen in america. this is the persecution of the person that's leading by very, very substantial numbers in the republican primary and leading biden by a lot. so if you can't beat him, you persecute him or you prosecute him. >> all right. well, it was a sad day for america. something of course we heard often after the january 6th attack on the united states capitol and we have so much to cover over the next hour. with wolf and myself. we want to begin though with paula reid live outside that courthouse in washington. and paula, what are you learning about what's next in this case? >> well, erin, we could be looking at a rocket docket here because the judge will oversee this case and a probable trial. she's told the government she wants to know in seven days, she wants them to tell her when they can take this case to trial and how long it will take. then the defense attorneys, they have just another week to tell her the same thing. because she appears ready to set a trial date at the next hearing, which is on august 28th. defense attorneys in court today, they did raise some concerns about how long it will take them to really understand how much evidence they have to review in this case. but it appears that she wants to move this along swiftly. this courthouse has overseen hundreds of january 6th related cases. at this point, it's just impossible to say if this case will definitely go on before the 2024 election. one thing that could really impact a potential timeline is if there are additional charges or additional defendants added to this case. we know from our reporting that over the next several weeks, the special counsel will interview at least two additional witnesses suggesting that additional charges are possible. >> all right. paula, thank you very much. wolf? >> erin, i want to go quickly to cnn's kristen holmes who's been following trump all day today. the former president touching down in new jersey tonight. what are you learning about the thinking within the trump camp tonight? >> we're hearing from trump again who's saying considering the fact i had to fly to a filthy, dirty, falling apart washington, d.c. then arrested by my political opponent, it was a very good day. that's a paraphrase. i cut some of the middle adjectives out there. this is what we are told by multiple sources. usually on days like today, he is angry. frustrated. this is not something he wants to be doing. he wants to be running a political campaign. wants to be focused on 2024. that's why so much of the time we're talking to these advisers, they say he's conpartmentalizing. he's not thinking about the legal. only talking about the next election but we are at a place here where the legal and political are the same. this is an argument here that is both legal. it's about his legal issues but also political because he is saying that because he believes that he will be the front-runner and right now, polls show he is, that joe biden is personally attacking him because they're going to run against each other. now, the question of course is whether or not voters will believe this but this is something they are hammering down. they are saying the doj is corrupt. the fbi is corrupt. they are saying this is all a political scheme because he is running for president and they are going to continue hammering that narrative obviously as we've seen. we heard from him tonight. he did not take questions. we were told he would then he walked away after about three minutes. very unlike him to give a statement that short. >> good point. erin? >> ty cobb joins us now. another historic day and here you are. it is the first time a former president in the united states has ever been charged with crimes committed while in office. what's your reaction watching this? well as you know, i think this is sad. unfortunately as the situation could have been avoided, trump forced it upon the department of justice. by the way he conducted himself in the last few days in office. and by the criminal conduct that he committed as he finished his presidency. i do think as we've discussed, that former judge ludig's poignant comments on what this means for america and for the world. the fact that the star that america has been to the rest of the world for the past 250 years. you know the a little, has been dimmed greatly by trump. but it's a little brighter tonight because as a country, we've shown that we are going to stand up for the constitution. that we are not going to tolerate unconstitutional criminal behavior and that we will apply that law you know to the highest offices in the land. so this could be an inflection point. i hope it is. in terms of america returning to greater standing within the world and fortunately demonstrating our commitment to the rule of law. >> so ty, the next court date is august 28th. that's when we'll find out when the trial is set to begin. trump's attorney already today in the hearing pushed back on prosecutors push for a quote unquote speedy trial. they say he needs a lot of time because there's a massive amount of discovery he needed to do and it just can't happen quickly. does that add up and how long will this take? >> no, it doesn't. i think mr. laurel for all his skills, which you know, i understand to be considerable, he's been in this case for two weeks, ten days. he doesn't know all the facts. couldn't possibly have mastered them all by now. he's making only political arguments. he's been out insisting that they're criminalizing speech where the simple counter to that is you actually can facilitate it further crime through speech and be prosecuted for it just saw an example in the some of the reporting today where if tony soprano tells one of his guys to whack a witness, well, that speech, that's crime. so i think some of his arguments are not well thought out and purely theatrical. i think in terms of the theory that this case could take nine months, that's delusional. the government has a very, very strong case. they will probably need, i would say somewhere in the neighborhood of four to six weeks to put on their case. but the defendant has virtually nothing to come back with. it's not like he can say you know, i didn't say that. if trump and pence and eastman and meadows and other people are all in the same room and say he did. it's not like he can go out and find somebody to say you know, trump really believed he lost. that's here say. that's an opinion. the only person they can put trump's state of mind into the trial is trump and trump testifying subjects himself to questions like let me run through the, this 500 or 600 examples of tv clips where you lied to the country and explain each lie to us. he's not going to testify. so i think the likelihood of the defense putting on much of a case is nil. i don't think they have anything that they can come back with. by the direct questioning by the prosecution while it will be lengthy, it will be consistent with the narrative set forth in the indictment. >> while you're saying four to six weeks to present and they wouldn't have much to say, this would be extremely quick. are you implying this is something that could you could be done by christmas? >> well, you could although i will say one thing. the judge is an excellent judge. a no nonsense judge and she will move this case expeditiously. but as a former public defender, she's very mindful of the right that is the defendants have of the due process rights. she's not going to disadvantage the defendant trying this case at a pace that treats him unfairly. she would have taken that into consideration. but yes, i do think this case could get to trial shortly after the first of the year and i wouldn't be surprised to see the first one on the docket. >> thank you very much. so what do you think, ryan? first of the year and be quick after? could be the first one out. it's pretty incredible when you think about it. this is basically judiciously litigating the 2020 election. >> yeah. this is the big one. and the manhattan district attorney seems to recognize that as well by having intimated in a recent interview that he is potentially willing to move his case, which is otherwise scheduled in march, to accommodate jack smith because he says in the interest of justice, that the country needs to see this first as a bigger case. what is he thinking? his trial is march. that's creating space. and that window. and i think that's the right window. it's also i think a situation in which jack smith will probably operate as he's doing in florida with the classified documents case in which he'll give the defendant an enormous amount of information that the prosecutors don't have to give until the first day of trial just to say we are ready to go. we want to have an expeditious trial. there's a public interest in having this trial proceed as quickly as possible with all the defendants' rights in tact. >> you know to your point and part of your question was about relitigating the 2020 election. really touches on something ty said, which is this is a great chance for us to show we don't tolerate unconstitutional behavior. i want to push back on that a bit because who's the we because january 6th was a sign that actually we do tolerate unconstitutional behavior based on the fact there are millions of americans who believe number one that donald trump did nothing wrong and that number two, january 6th was you know a tourist event and so on. the rule of law and supporters believe that we are subordinate to it in some way and that's not a per valing view. >> that's the great fear. when you look at it and we were talking all day. 70% of republicans, 69% to be exact believe that biden's not the legitimate president of the united states. that's the context in which a day like today plays out. >> today, my heart is really heavy because i think about the day i decided i wanted to be a public servant and go into politics. i think about young children who hear the president tells his number two that you're just a little too honest. these are the principles we teach children. honesty and not telling lies but when they see the person that was holding the highest office persuade people that he is their boss to potentially lie, our country is in trouble and this is beggar than politics right now. this is about when we talk about we hold these truths to be self-evident. if we do not live in a country where facts mean something and when no matter who you are, the janitor or the president of the united states, you do something dishonest, you do not have to be held account. presidential elections campaign staffs mean nothing that that moment. so whatever intervepntions have to happen in this country and get back into a reality of truth must happen across party lines, across gender, across socioeconomic or we won't survive the next attack on our democracy because it is too fragile. >> interesting what tyler was saying that america starved because what has happened but today, he felt brightness because the system worked. you also have a heavy heart today. you have an ominous, foreboding feeling. >> i'm a frustrated republican because i know this should be much simpler. just think the different days joe biden and donald trump had today. donald trump got arrested and joe biden took a nap on the beach. this is going to continue to play out over and over again. there's such a right moment in time for republicans to put a once in a generation leader. a leader that steps up and prop projects these big ideas. really whether democrat or republican, really putting this vision out there. i'm reminded of the way reagan led. the person who agrees 80% of the time is a friend and ally. i'm frustrated because you know, unfortunately, it looks like we're going to have to lose again to maybe learn our lesson. he has hijacked our party and we've let him. >> one other question i want to ask you. when you talk about the speed this trial could happen. there's the question of jurisdiction. which is coming up again. obviously the proceedings themselves, the actual certification happened in washington, d.c. there are seven states mentioned here. is there an argument to be made by trump that it could be successful about changing the jurisdiction? >> no. or somebody's wanted in d.c., it's not going to happen. it's not going to move out. ty pointed at this with other arguments mr. laurie is making in the public square about venue. the idea he won't get a fair shake in d.c. >> 10% of people voted for trump. they're making a political argument there. >> exactly. it's political. it's not a legal argument. that will not work in a courtroom. if you make that argument in a courtroom, they'll probably just lose the entire question because that's not how the system works. the system would never base it on that. th that's why also the justice department could not instead of bringing the classify documents case in florida, bring it in d.c., they can never say that. they couldn't say that in a room in the justice department that that would be a legitimate calculation. the law doesn't hear that. because we think the system can hold and we can get jurors to be impartial. >> in the courtroom, there were reporters, we didn't have cameras, but there were reporters. kaitlyn was one and you were able to watch trump throughout this tell us about what you saw. froms. >> he commands attention when he walks into a courtroom. all eyes are going to go to him. and he was fidgeting quite a bit as he sat in the courtroom. sort of playing with his jacket. had his hand folded. wanted to talk to his lawyers and they had to move the microphone away from him so it wouldn't pick up the whiserring he was doing to his lawyers. he was really looking around a lot. he looked at directly at jack smith, the special counsel. he looked and observed the others in the courtroom. there were about 50 people from the court staff, the press, members of the public as well. at one point, he looked down to the table he was at and picked up a stack of papers and you could see him pick it up, hold it in front of him, read it a little bit and that became very clear as he was placing down, it was the indictment himself that he was pleading not guilty to in court today and so there was another person who was there just because they recognized this was such a historical moment. they wanted to tell their grandchildren about it. but it's also a humbling moment to have a criminal defendant in court and when donald trump is in court, he is the former president but he is addressed like any other criminal defendant. he's sitting further down her looking up and every time she's asking him question, he has to respond for the record. do you understand what i'm asking you. yes. can you comply with the orders from this court that's going to place on you. what your bail terms are. that you can't intimidate any witnesses or potential jurors. that you need to make sure that you understand what's happening here and that you also have the right to remain silent and to that, donald trump did vocally on all of those things tell the judge yes, i understand. he did answer her questions in the affirmative she asked and he also was sworn in at one point with his hand up to the sky to be sworn in around the time that he did need to plead not guilty. >> interesting that' even the looking up, these things matter. the dynamic of the power in the courtroom is the judge and the law. the law itself. wolf, also interesting what kaitlyn just reported there that she saw him putting papers down and she was able from where she was sitting to see that was the actual indictment. >> i want to bring back our legal and political experts for more angealysis. jamie jamie, what do you make of the description about how trump was behaving with his head down. he seemed pretty nervous. >> we're hearing from many sources that today was different. that it was a sobering day. stephanie grisham said he looked angry to her on the tarmac. one other notable thing. we have been very lucky. whether it was in new york or florida or here today, there was no violence. the security worked. we were talking about you know perhaps part of that is because so many of the rioters from january 6th, they've got to jail. people don't want to go to jail. it's been a deterrent. that said, donald trump continues to attack the department of justice, judges, the special counsel. he's calls the special counsel thugs. slime ball. gustapo. there were a number of federal judges that came into the courtroom today. that's very unusual. his judges did not go in there because they were curious. texted me and said they were there to show solidarity. they know the rule of law, democracy, the justice department has been you under ak and that was the statement they gave today. >> and this case as well as all of the january 6th related cases, they're really serving two purposes. one is to hold the actual individuals who are accused accountable for the particular thing they are being charged or convicted with. the other has a deterrent factor. thankfully there is no violence that is acomp niring any of these proceedings. there was some police presence but there was nothing that caused any violence today. >> knock on wood. for the attack on the capitol, i believe those really are having a deterrent effect on individuals is about protecting future elections. there's a deterrent aspect to not allow the same coconspirators to engage in similar activities that would prevent the rightful outcome. >> can i just add one more thing about donald trump? we've been hearing a lot about his behavior and his arms folded and this is a man who is used to being in charge and only likes to be in charge and believes he always should be in charge. no matter what. as we saw, i'm the one who talks the vice president, end of discussion. and in the courtroom, donald trump is not in charge. he is not in charge. and insulting and after all, i'm donald trump. i'm the former president of the united states. actually, i believe i'm the real president of the united states. why should i be answering these questions and so the anger builds i think on it. >> and that really keys into the point jamie was making about the judges. the courtroom, the majesty of the courtroom is the majesty of law. and judges are the vanguard, the people who protect and maintain the rule of law. they are in a sense, a last line of defense and i know jamie really appreciates that because her mother -- >> my mother's a judge. >> and you become a federal judge. particularly in a district like district of columbia or the southern district of new york. theesz lawyers who become judges, a law school d randy moss, these people could make millions of dollars at law firms just down the street. they give that up because being a judge, a federal judge in particular where no offense to jamie's mom, is a calling. >> right. >> it is a calling to defend lady justice. it's a calling to defend the constitution. and to the constitutional order than this one man who took an oath as the supreme protector, the man defending the constitution of the united states, there has never been a greater threat to the constitution than that one man. >> and they're this in charge. >> what do you think? >> well, i think that is true. that the judges are in charge in the courtroom. the magistrate judge's admonition to him not to influence jurors he's a different man than the one arraigned in mar-a-lago's case because now there are additional obstruction counts against him. it makes perfect sense to admonish him about that because that threat has grown larger but it also creates a potential conundrum here. almost everything he says when he's insulting prosecutor, witnesses, in a normal case can be construed as trying to affect jurors. if he gets called on that, it's going to set up quite a train wreck. in a normal case, he could be held in contempt. that's going to immediately tee up the first amendment argument and the way it's not teed up. all of that, everything we've talked about and saw today is about and this is i think part of the reason that jeff and the other federal judges were in the back row today. all of that, the weight of our democracy, the rule of law. these very difficult legal and factual questions are about to rest on the shoulders of one judge. and she is going to carry the burden. she wasn't in the court today but made her presence felt, setting a date. august 28th. she's going to set a trial date. i think it's going to be a fast one. >> thank you very much. next, the six coconspirators in the january 6th investigation were not in court today. what will they do next? trump's former attorney is joining us next. plus, trump's legal strategy. delay, delay, delay. but can he delay this trial until after the election? lawrence tribe is my guest. stay with us, you're watching a special edition of "outfront." 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"the new york times" says there are signs he is coconspirator number six in the indictment. he's described as political -- now you know boris well. do you think he's involved? do you think that he would turn on trump or that he would have the, i don't know what the right word would be but the fortitude to not? >> is he involved, certainly he was around this whole thing at the time. not exactly sure. you know one interesting thing to remember is that boris is represented by blanch. an attorney for donald trump. for boris to flip requires his own attorney to turn against his own clients. there's an interesting little conflict there that would complicate any complication or flipping by boris. >> there's boris and now i want to ask you about jason miller because he was there all day today, too. we've got video of him waiting outside the courthouse where trump was arraigned. reports say he flew down with them. sources tell cnn he is cited in the indictment as a senior campaign adviser who spoke with the defendant on a daily basis. he is not a coconspirator but that's where he would appear in the indictment. in the indictment, it says he informed trump on multiple occasions that various fraud claims were untrue and it quotes him in an e-mail saying that the trump team was 0-32 on legal challenges to the election because there was nothing to back up the claims of frd and says the e-mail continues to say, quote, i'll obviously hustle to help on all fronts but it's tough to own any of this when it's just conspiracy expletive beamed down from the mothership. to some, that might seem strange but this is trump world. do you think trump and miller should still be spending time together like they clearly were today? >> it's always an interesting case of having witnesses and defendants together. of course when they're running a campaign, it's a whole different kettle of fish. but i don't know. i've never met him or dealt with him directly. certainly those quotes are not helpful to him but at the same time, it's questionable as to who would call him as a witness. the government could call him to say these things. the defendant could call him to say yes, i believesaid those tht i didn't have access to the information that the president and giuliani had. that was basically my impression. i don't know what he's going to say. and so it's kind of a wild card. you don't know which direction he's going to go. ultimately he could be wans who comes in and simply tells the truth and doesn't really help or hurt either side. f >> all right. i appreciate your time. thank you. >> thank you. wolf? >> former president trump is now back at bedminister, his country club in new jersey. i want to go to elena who's live in new jersey near the president's golf club. it's notable i suspect that trump chose to appear in person today in the federal courthouse. how did they come to that decision? it is notable, wolf. especially if you've been looking at donald trump's truth social feed today. he's been criticizing washington, d.c., arguing he was forced to appear in court today. but his team did have the decision to conduct this arraignment and to participate in this arraignment remotely and via zoom, but they chose to do that in person. i'm told the strategy behind that was to try and gain more media attention. drum up more attention on his in-person appearance. they're arguing the strategy was to act like he was taken off the campaign trial and forced to appear. they think that gets to their argument that this entire indictment is taking him away in the time on the campaign and interfering in the 2024 presidential election. i also just want to point out some things that i've picked up over the past several days now. i know donald trump is privately very frustrated by these indictments. you could see that in his demeanor today both inside the courtroom and when speaking with reporters. he did not take reporters' questions. he didn't put on that posturing when he talks about these charges. he wasn't defiant but then again later on truth social, you saw him go back to kind of using the bravado he likes to use. it's interesting to note how he's feeling behind the scenes. one thing i'm also picking up on is donald trump, as much he is concerned about this indictment, he's also very worried about his legacy. i've followed him for years now and i know his legacy is something he thinks a lot about. that's really been weighing on him today. >> good reporting. thank you very much. joining us now, professor lawrence tribe, the harvard professor of constitutional law. professor, thank you so much for joining us. you just heard, we all just heard tim, one of trump's former lawyers. what did you make of his km comments and how do prosecutors get to trump's intent? >> his intent is clear in his own words when he says to mike pence, you're being too honest. there's no question about it. his intent is clear. the indictment makes it clear everyone knows that his lawyers wouldn't put him on the stand because he would just perjure himself. what i found really interesting is that'ven today, he publicly lied about the trial. he said i was forced to appear. we know in fact he was given the opportunity to appear virtually. he didn't have to come there but it was part of the pr strategy. that's what this whole trial was about. trust me. he has no legal defense. he has no factual defense. this is a conspiracy to steal votes from people and to overturn the election. so what does he have? he has the ability to continue lying to the american people. now that's not a crime. that's how he hopes to win this case. he didn't successfully delay it indefinitely but what he can do since we haven't yet got cameras in the courtroom and that's what we should have, what he can do is just present his picture of what happened each day. and there isn't going to be an opposite picture because jack smith is constrained by the rules that bind him not to talk back so we've got one hand clapping. we've got the government with one arm tied behind its back and in the end, the american people, whatever the verdict, are not going to see justice done unless the chief justice of the united states who is in charge of the judicial conference finally decides that this should be the exceptional case. the case that is visible to the american people. i argued a case in 1980. there, the court held that the press and public have a right to see a trial, any criminal trial. but there's a catch. it's only the people who can fit in the courtroom. but the country can't fit in the courtroom. you know, this is the 214th anniversary of the other biggest trial in american history. a trial of aaron burr for treason. for fomenting and putting together an insurrection against the government of the united states. john marshall opened that trial 214 years ago today. it wasn't televised but that's because if memory serves, television hadn't been invented in 1807. we don't have excuse now. we've got television. we could have live coverage. the country and the world could see this most fundamental trial of the ma el len area. >> tv cameras are not allowed in federal trials as of now. let's see if that ever changes. >> nothing inevitable. >> i would certainly like to see cameras inside so the whole country, the whole world could see that trial. but as of now, no cameras, tv cameras are allowed inside. how big of a test, professor s this for america's judiciary and for the rule of law? >> well it's a very important test. the rule of law looks like it will prevail. but the rule of law is subordinate to the rule of politics. and even though the former president tried unsuccessfully to overturn the election, he might succeed this time in becoming president again or having someone else become president and then simply erase this trial. simply -- then dismisses it all. the people who say we can't pardon out of these es kate trials. the current policy of the justice department, he's going to recognize that. her policy of the justice department is that a president cannot be tried even in a state criminal case while he's president. so as trump becomes president again, he can wipe out fani willis, alvin bragg. where is the country then? then it has someone who has demonstrated his willingness, ability to disregard the election returns. and conspire with a number of social indicters, coconspirators to of fake electoral slates. it's really scary. that's why i think we need to watch this trial closely. >> really scary moment in american history. thank you so much for joining us. >> thank you, wolf. >> "outfront" next, the house speaker keeping to our manu raju moments ago. you'll want to hear how he's defending trump, tonight. every day, more dog people are deciding it's time for a fresh approach to pet food. developed with vets. porti. and delivered right to your door. 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you shouldn't be prosecuted for your thoughts. >> manu raju is "outfront." what else is the speaker saying? >> he is trying to make the case this is similar to the situations involving democrats hillary clinton and al gore after they lost their races, even though the situations are far different. clinton and gore both conceded their races. gore himself preside over the counting of the electoral votes before a joint session of congress in the house chamber. donald trump of course did the opposite, has not conceded the race, organized the rally on january 6th, and is also facing allegations in the jack smith indictment of taking actions and conspireing to try to subvert the will of the voters. but nevertheless, the speaker is trying to make the argument that if donald trump is being prosecuted, those democrats should have been as well. >> i can say the same thing that hillary clinton says about her election that she lost. i can say the same thing about the dnc who said it about the 2016 race. i can say the same thing about those in the democratic party from the leadership on down about george bush not winning, that al gore did. but were any of them prosecuted? were any of them put in jail? when hillary clinton said it, nothing happened to her. when they said it in georgia's election, nothing happened to them either. you know what? when the dnc said it, nothing happened to them either. >> hillary clinton conceded the race in the aftermath of her loss to donald trump in 2016. even as the speaker continued to say there are two different standards of justice, he pivoted to joe biden and hunter biden and those two not facing any sort of prosecution, he also made clear, erin, what the focus of house republicans will be in the fall, which is to continue to investigate joe biden's ties to hunter biden, any work with hunter biden in his business dealings suggesting that the house could open an impeachment inquiry, not looking into the former president's actions, but into the current president, which could be a big focus of republicans in the fall as he argues there are two standards of justice in the united states, one for democrats, one for republicans. erin? >> all right, man you, thank you very much. everyone back with me. lieutenant governor, you know, it's interesting. obviously talking about al gore, they conceded their races. in this case it ended up as an insid insurrection. people died. it is amazing that there are sophisticated powerful people in your party who are still excusing and supporting it. >> one of the most surprising things for me when i got into politics ten years ago when i walked into the room of all these elected officials, i thought they would be natural born leaders bouncing off of each other. and that wasn't the case. what kevin mccarthy is doing right there is not being a leader. he knows the truth. he knows there are no facts there, and he has an opportunity to convince thousands if not millions of republicans this isn't true and there is a better chance to go forward. donald trump had his chance, he had his time and he lost. if i had any magic pixie dust left i'd splash it on the raupt and tell them the election wasn't rigged and we'd move on and i think we'd be better for it. once again week, going to have to take our medicine and admit that. >> this is the rhetoric. >> yeah. >> i guess the reality is this rhetoric is reality to millions of people. >> yeah, i mean, i remember when al gore lost. i remember when hillary clinton lost. i was livid. i was someone that wanted -- i did question the results of the election. but guess what? today and after the president bush was installed and trump was installed, i acknowledged that i might not want him to be my president, but he is my president. that's the difference we're talking about. you might not like the result, but adults accept results. and then what do you do? you organize. you learn how to win an election. you talk to people. you start to go to voters and talk about the issues that matter, not continue to perpetuate lies. and in the history looks, people will be written about this time. and kevin mccarthy will not go down as a hero. he will not go down as a leader. he will go down as one of the people who lied to the american public and potentially could be not in the legal sense, but a co-conspirator to the fall of our democracy. >> and as we look at this, it used to be, ryan, other people would be upset about an election outcome, and they would say they were going to move to canada. john mccain maybe once made the joke, nobody actually moves to canada -- nothing against canada -- they just accept it. they move on. the emotion goes away. they regroup. they try to win the next time. and what this lays out in excruciating detail is this was not just saying or expressing frustration, right. this was -- as alleged in here a conspiracy over months. >> and multiple conspiracies. if in fact the allegations in the indictment were as kevin mccarthy described them, then of course that would be a weapons inspection of the justice department and criminalizing very common practices and politics. but that's not the allegations in the indictment. >> right. >> it's laying out criminal scheme and conspiracy after criminal scheme and conspiracy and deceit and deceiving ronna mcdaniel into thinking the false slate of electors will be a contingent, no hope of it working. things like that. trump siding with sidney powell. does mccarthy want to defend donald trump siding with sidney powell and letting her evidence of voter fraud because of the machines be entered into georgia litigation and then trump confides to his advisers privately that he knows that her evidence sounds crazy and is unsupported. that's the allegations in this indictment. that's not politics as normal. that's why this is a criminal conspiracy as charged. if there is the evidence that will support that. but that's at least the allegations of the facts. >> as we are here tonight, i think some of the excellent reporting, katelyn polantz and evan have been talking about, trump's demeanor in that courtroom. he had the indictment. he is staring at jack smith. he has to look up at the judge. >> you know, i dealt with enough search warrants and things where people try to divine a lot from a subject or a target's demeanor. and you just don't know. sometimes it's like well, the guy was really shifty behind the wheel. he must have been guilty. or he was really shifty, he wasn't guilty. it's hard to know. needless to say, it's a profound moment. anything the president does in court is significant because, look, it's a former president sitting in front of a court. >> it's the first time a former president, right, has been indicted for something he did in office. that's a historical moment. >> a lot of historic firsts happening today, erin. and that's the takeaway regardless of what was sitting on the desk in front of him. >> thanks very much to all of you and for all of you being with us for this special coverage, which continues now with "ac 360." for the third time this year, the 45th president of the united states has been arraigned

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