Its very significant. The weight of resources are no longer in your favor, i dont care how much money you necessarily have. What theyre doing now is likely expected a not guilty plea where he will formally tell the court he has notice of all the charges against him, and they will set some date in the future in terms of when he will have to either have discovery provided to him, there likely is not going to be a Motion Schedule for the things that you would argue about what would come into evidence, thats going to be longer down the road. But the notion of a rap sheet is so significant with these different indictments, particularly because of this reason normally if somebody has charges against them, trials in the same vicinity, youre talking about maybe if they are convicted theyre going to run concurrent sentences, meaning this one will run on top of the other and the other. Its not going to be youll serve five years for this one, then ten years for another, five for the next. It will run together. These cases so far are of different incnatures. They wont have the same factual basis. The court will likely say sentences could run consecutive. Youre talking about a significant amount of time. This is the Magistrate Judge, not the judge who will ultimately hear the case. Youve heard about that particular judge. Its significant nonetheless because right now, being treated, as he should be, as every other defendant in america who has to come before a court, not appear through zoom, although he could have here, and actually show up. I will applaud for a moment we joked how jack smith was at subway getting the Subway Sandwich shop. He was not hiding. Hes in the courtroom today. Hes in the courtroom before the person whos called him deranged, before the people that question whether he has a political axe to grind. He is showing up to present and recall what he said when the indictment was unsealed. It is up to the jury to have the evidence tested, and if the Presumption Of Innocence is there, you have the presumption now of the credibility of a prosecutor disstanding behind t decision. Youre watching the lead, and we have coverage of donald trump being arrested and arraigned for a third time. This time in a washington, d. C. , courthouse. And kerry cordero, arguably this is the most important of all of the cases including the pending possible indictment in georgia. Certainly a more consequential and taken more seriously than the new york case from alvin bragg, the District Attorney there. But possibly more significant even than the classified documents case, as well. It is. I think from a Historical Perspective this case is the most important case. Its about the functioning of democracy. Its about the allegations that the former president and his coconspirators tried to overturn the outcome of an election. It really doesnt get more important than that. The classified documents case are allegations of serious crimes with mishandling Classified Information and obstruction of that investigation. Those are serious federal crimes. But there are other individuals in the country over years who have been charged with those crimes. No former president has been charged with this. I think the historical significance is really important. I also want to follow up from something that katelyn and my colleague david aaron were speaking about which is the fact in this case right now the former president is the only defendant. And while i understand that there may be strategic reasons why the Special Counsel did that in terms of the case potentially being able to move more quickly, i do think from an optics standpoint and from how the public will understand this case it is important that they understand it was a conspiracy of more than one person, a conspiracy under the law requires more than one person. And the fact that we dont yet know who the other named coconspirators are, from the Justice Department, the reporting can speculate about who they are. But from the Justice Department, they are not named as coconspirators. I think that matters in terms of how the country understands that this wasnt just about the former president , this was a plot, this was a plot by numerous individuals who were lawyers, who were advisers, who worked together with the former president , the Justice Department alleges, to overturn the outcome of the rightful election. And George Conway, the other big difference between this and the fudging of Business Records to hire up the hushmoney payment to Stormy Daniels in new york and the classified documents case is there are 330 million americans who witnessed a lot of this take place on television. Now obviously we didnt know the extent of the conspiracy, especially when it came to the fake electors plot. But we did see a lot of it. How strong do you think the case is . I think the case is extremely strong. I think its extremely strong because we have so many people there is going to be this parade of people, some of whom are conspirators, some of whom are not, who are telling trump that, you know, he had to he lost the election. And theres its going to be ebbs tensive evidence from people who worked for donald trump, again. And that i think is going to make a big difference at the end of the day because the only Public Relations gambit that they really have is that somehow trump is being framed for this. But its his own people providing the evidence against him. Yeah. Let me go to paula reid because im curious as to whats going on inside that courtroom right now. Paula, youre standing outside. What are your sources telling you . What is donald trump doing, what is he going through . What can you tell us . Reporter well, jake tapper, my best sources now are our colleagues who are inside the courtroom, inside the media room. They tell us that the former president and jack smith are seated just about 15 feet away from each other. Now apparently the two men have exchanged several looks as they await this hearing to get under way. Were told it as very quiet in the courtroom now. The former president is seated with his lawyers, hes been signing some paperwork, talking to them for a little while. Most of the courtroom could hear what they were discussing because they were on a microphone that was on. When they realized that, they pushed that away. Of course, they dont the assembled media to hear the legal advice that they are giving their client. The prosecutors are seated at a different table, several prosecutors from the Special Counsels team. Again, jack smith is not expected to participate in this hearing, but his presence is notable. Again, this is one of the only times that he will come face to face with the former president before this case goes to trial. He also attended the initial appearance down in florida. Right now our colleagues in the courtroom, theyre telling us that theyre still waiting for this to get under way. Okay. Paula reid. Thank you so much. Andy mccabe, as former Deputy Director of the fbi, tell us your view of what you think is going on in there now, and are there Law Enforcement officials beyond the prosecutors from the Special Counsels office . Typically there are. This is obviously not a typical situation. But typically the defendant surrenders at the courthouse, is taken into custody by Law Enforcement, be they fbi agents if its an fbi case or u. S. Marshals, and go through processing. Thats where the photographs are taken, fingerprints are taken. And biographical information is taken from the defendant, their name, how they spell it, date of birth, sorts of basic facts. And while it seems mundane, that is actually the information thats put into a system we refer to as ncic, the National Criminal index information centers. And thats what forms your rap sheet or your your arrest history essentially. So its you have to have that information. The company with the photograph and the fingerprints in order to make that entry. And thats that essentially establishes the First Official record of the arrest which follows you for the rest of your life. Eventually there will be a new entry that resolves that indicates how those charges were resolved. But if you walk into a gun shop to purchase a firearm and go through the background, the federal background check, it will come up that you were arrested on this date in this courthouse for the following charges and how those were resolved, which could ultimately deny you the privilege of purchasing a firearm. So its a mundane process but one that follows you the rest of your life. Whether or not thats happening for the president , well have to find out. Jamie . I just want to take a step back. We would not be here today if it wasnt for the january 6th committee, for liz cheney, the republican, thenrepublican congresswoman, making a break with her party, with nancy pelosi. The two of them working together. Doj was not anxious to bring this case. We know that from our reporting. But i think we have to look back at those hearings. They interviewed more than 1,000 witnesses, there were bombshells like Cassidy Hutchinson who spoke out. What im obviously waiting for here is the trial. I mean, last night we heard Attorney General for donald trump bill barr say he believed looking at the indictment that the evidence laid out there was the tip of the iceberg. What dont we know . Is mark meadows cooperating . He was noticeably absent from the indictment. Will mike pence be called to the stand . And to go back to your point, carrie, about it being a streamlined indictment, my understanding from justice sources is they are going to try to move this as quickly as possible and go to trial before the election. Whether or not that happens, whole other thing. But that is the goal. Theres a reason why in the criminal Justice System president s are not in the cross hairs per se. That is because it is dealt with constitutionally through congress, through the impeachment process. We have to remember he was impeached for this very thing. He didnt get convicted by the senate, but the house did impeach him. I think thats probably why going back to right after this happened there was some trepidation inside the doj about making this a criminal matter, but now it is. Now what were seeing is many people are numb to the fact that hes getting indicted three times in four months. But this is the only one that has to do with an alleged crime that he committed while in office about his office, and about not just his office but the fundamentals of the democracy that allows presidency to even exist. George, let me ask you, of the charges there are four charges against donald trump in this indictment what do you think is the strongest one . What do you think is the weakest one . I think theyre all pretty much strong. I think its pretty clear that he did commit a fraud on the United States, thats the first charge, section 371. He used lies and trickery and used the false electoral certificates to try to Corrupt The Process and to try to stop the process. That also you know, basically its a glove that fits in different ways, you put it on in different ways. Youve got the other charges of obstructing a congressional proceeding, conspiring to obstruct a congressional proceeding, and the last one, 241, the charge that was interference with the Voting Rights of all americans. All of those fit in different ways, but they fit nicely. And the secotion 371 charge, its important to know it doesnt really matter whether donald trump thinks that in some broad sense the election was stolen from him. The fact what matters is the fact that he used lies to fix what he perceived to be a problem, if he perceived to be a problem. I agree with bolton, i agree with barr that trump clearly understood that he lost the election, he was told that by multiple people. The fact of the matter is if just because you think you were wrong, its the two wrongs dont make a right thing that bolton referred to. Doesnt mean that you can use lies to overcome the problem. And the analogy i like to use is the o. J. Case. Not the murder case, but the case in which he was sent to jail for in nevada where he thought these items, these Memorabilia Items that he was trying to get back, belonged to him rightfully. But he used a gun, he used a gun and held people at gunpoint to take the items back. Here trump maybe he thought thought so, i dont think he did, but he won the election in some abstract sense, but he used lies and used pressure on the Vice President , on secretary raffensperger, to compel them to violate the law. And that fits all of these counts perfectly. First of all, the second that George Conway mentioned glove, i knew an o. J. Reference was coming. Knew it was coming. We followed the actual vehicle. We knew it was coming. To me, the civil rights lawyer within me is saying the fact that had a motorcade, too had a motorcade, too, and a white car fact that the Special Counsel has prosecuted charges involving deprivation of rights at a time when the Supreme Court although most recently in this term has tried to buttress the power of the Voting Rights act and gerrymandering and antigerrymandering, were at a time when Voting Rights have been on the Chopping Block for quite some time in this country. When we talk about the notion of this being a Clear And Present Danger and ongoing threat as former congresswoman liz cheney spoke about beyond, this was their signal to say this could be an ongoing threat. Part of the goal of prosecution is not only just to punish, its also to deter conduct. So trying to ensure this will not happen again is very significant. General specific deterrent. Specific deterrents of this one individual who, as bolton pointed out, secretary bolton pointed out to jake, he he would try to finish the job if he gets back into office. Lets throw it back to anderson in new york. Anderson . Thank you so much. I want to check in with paula and katelyn outside the courthouse. Explain where were at in this proceeding. Reporter well, our colleagues who are inside the courthouse giving us minutebyminute updates. I have attended dozens and dozens of hearings inside this court. Its amazing that what theyre describing is similar to any other defendant. Just waiting for a judge judges are typically late. Picture the scene, you have an empty bench where the judge would sit, and then you have two tables. One for the prosecution team, and one for the defense. And our colleague describes how trump is sitting there with his hands folded. Hes looking down. He is discussing things with his lawyers. He has a lot of questions, it appears, about the papers on his table. Hes discussing it with his lawyers. His lawyers are taking great pains so all the reporters in the room cant hear what theyre discussing. One of his lawyers is putting his hand over his mouth as he discusses something with the former president. Were told its so quiet in the room right now that you can hear someone in there somewhere clicking a pen. Now the only big difference inside this courtroom right now is the significant Security Presence. They say there are seven, seven marshals guarding the door to the courtroom, while usually have a Security Presence in a federal courtroom. That is really one of the only details that sticks out right now that reminds us how extraordinary it is that a former president is once again sitting inside a federal courtroom. It looks like right now they have said all rise, the judge is in. It appears the judge is on the bench, and the hearing is under way. So right now the hearing appears to be under way. The Special Counsel prosecutors have begun to speak to the jujudge mab mablean to the judge, and well have updates from the courthouse. Who is in the room . Reporter One More Time . Kaitlan collins, can you talk about the attorneys for the former president who are in the room . Reporter yes. This is really interesting actually. Weve been talking about the two who were representing them in the case, todd blanch and john lauro, that are here. Were also looking from our reporters in the room that Evan Corcoran is also there. And thats notable because obviously Evan Corcoran, hes a former assistant u. S. Attorney, has worked inside here. He also reported steve bannon. Most notably is a witness against trump in the documents case. He is the attorney that trump, according to the indictment, tried to mislead when it came to whether or not where the documents were placed, he had notes that he took on his phone about interactions he had with trump about plucking documents out that trump thought were bad ones. And he had to go and Attorney Client privilege was pierced and speak to jack smiths investigators in that case. Thats separate obviously than the reason why trump is in the courtroom today. Its notable that he is in there today. He has not yet entered his name on this case from what we have seen in the court filings, but he is in the back of the room. That means hes not at the counsels table with trump and john lauro and todd blanch. But it is notable that he is in the room. Also the fact that donald trump and jack smith are sitting 15 feet apart from each other right now, occasionally glancing at one another, but the fact that that is happening and t