Erin . The arraignment is in a courthouse thats already handled hundreds of january 6th defendants. It is those lies that are central to the prosecutions case. The man behind it all, the man who has been a target of a Public Smear Campaign by the 45th President is jack smith. You see him there. Paula reid is outside that courthouse right now. Paula, how will all of this play out, the logistics of this once trump arrives where you are . Reporter well, erin, this courthouse is accustomed to dealing with vips, security details, so he has the option to pull underneath the courthouse in a garage. We may not be able to seen him at all. Once inside, he will be placed under arrest. He will be processed. We expect fingerprints, but there wont be a mug shot. Federal authorities have said they already have a mug shot. And the hearing should be pretty short. He will hear the charges filed against hi and hell have th opportunity, as expecting to enter a plea in florida he had s attorney enter that plea, so its possible we wont hear him utter a word. Well have to contend with his bond agreement, assuming theres no glitches there, this hearing should be over quickly. This will teenage place over a magistrate judge. This is, of course, his third and arrest and arraignment this year, so he knows what to expect. Paula, thank you very much. So, lets go now to bed minister. Thats where our Kristin Holmes has been there reporting. And now he know youre at the airport to see where he goes, and where he heads to where paula is. What more are you hearing about trumps travel today . Reporter erin, were hearing hes about to leave bed minister, and will land here at regan airport in d. C. Hes joined by some of his closest political aides, as well as two of his attorneys, todd blanch and john lawyuro. An then theyll go to the courthouse. Advisers do not believe it will be a lengthy time at the courthouse. Now, not entirely sure why for the reasoning, but thats their belief. When he goes into court, hes going to appear with two of his attorneys, todd blanch and john lauro. Then he will come back to the airport before taking off to newark. He wants to get out of here as soon as that arraignment is over. We do anticipate him giving remark to the reporters traveling with him. It will all be dependent on the president and how he files. Reporter hes talking about how another indictment will get him elected president. Given that stance hes clearly taking, i would anticipate very strongly we are going to hear from the former president after that arraignment today, erin. Kristen, thank you very much. Wolf . One of the key voices condemning him is his former Attorney General. In an exclusive interview, bill barr drilled down on the core issue, the election lies that trump kept spreading even after to which Trump Administration officials repeatedly told him they were false. He can say what he wants. He can even lie. He can even tell people the election was stolen when he knew better, but that does not protect you from entering into a conspiracy. All conspiracies involve speech, and all fraud involves speech. So, you know, free speech doesnt give you the right to engage in a fraudulent conspiracy. I have come to believe that he knew well he had lost the election. Lets bring in our panel of experts. Kaitlan is with us. An excellent interview. Were you surprised how blunt he was, the former Attorney General, in criticizing trump and trumps potential Defense Tactics . I think hes often pretty blunt. Hes always had that characterization from anyone who worked with him, even when he was Attorney General. He knows trump so well. I think thats why that moment there at the end, where he did acknowledge that he does believe trump knew he lost an election was notable. I wasnt sure what he would say about the argument that trump attorneys are making, this is free speech, he was just exercising free speech, and they cant move forward. He completely eviscerated that and poked holes in it, and thats not why hes being i indicted here. He also went after the other defense weve heard, that trump was acting on the advice of counsel, particularly john eastman, the Attorney General who basically came up with the blueprint for a coup. Bill barr said, a, he didnt think that john eastman would giving what was qualified as advice, but also he doesnt think it would work, because it would required trump to take the stand, be crossexamined, and he didnt believe trump would essentially remember his own version of events. He was incredibly blunt. It was a nearly 40minute interview where he went through all the steps, with not just this, but the other charges. Theres not one lawyer i know who have represented donald trump who ever wanted to put him on the stand, period. They know that he lies, and putting him on the stand would be very, very very dangerous for donald trump. Agree, of course. Absolutely. He would fall apart in minutes or seconds. That was the conclusion of Bob Woodwards first book, where a lot of that seems to have been based on long recorded interviews with jim dowd, who was trumps outside lawyer in the mueller investigation. There was a request for an interview of President Trump, and the question was, well, are you going to let him talk to the special down . They conducted basically an interview, a Mock Interview or mock crocssexamination, and th last line is a soliloquy, that hes a liar. You just saw trump getting in his car. Hell be heading over to the Newark Airport, to Washington Regan National airport, and then drives to the court House Resolution right here in washington. You know, norm, trumps new attorney is expected to be at the hearing today. You know him. What do you think his approach will be today . We practiced criminal defense law together in the same firm. I think that in court today it would be an accelerated proceedings. Temp has already done this once, but out of court well see the fullcourt press, where theyre previewing the argument. Dont assume that theyre the same once theyre going to use in court. The government and the defense, of course, always plays a certain amount of a pretrial game. Jack smith cant talk. Hes letting this Indictment Talk for him. John can talk. He was also with kaitlan, and hes been everywhere. These argument wont be the versions well get at trial. These are weak versions. Bill barr was right to knock them down. This is consolidating trumps support. This is free campaigning. There will be more arguments that will be launched at trial. The problem is they dont have the facts or the law on side, and jack smith and his team are just as ferocious. Still, it will be a legal battle for the ages. Whats the other argument . One argument is i was just listening to my lawyers, you know, this is the advice they gave me. This is what barr was talking about last night. Whats the other argument . Gloria, theyre also going to say, and we always heard this, donald trump genuinely believed this. You may disagree with it, but he believed it. We heard lauro say somebody tried to prove he didnt believe it. Jack smith will dodd that. He has laid out all the reasons that donald trump confessed privately, he knew he lost the election. So youll see a very ferocious battle across all the different fronts of the case that lauro was laying out. Theyll argue for delay, the fairness of rushing this to trial. That may be their most important argument. We have the live pictures of the motorcade leaving bed minister heading to the Newark Airport right now. What are you hearing from inside the trump camp, when it comes to the six coconspirators appeared potential witnesses who may actually flip . They were surprised that no one else had been indicted. Theyre listed, but not named in there. Theyre trying to figure out who coconspirator number six is. No one has been able to say, but obviously thats a huge question here, the role they play, and the other thing bill barr said, he found the indictment impressive in its restrained, blue believes that jack smith has a lot more information. This is not just a legal aspect, but a political aspect. I am told we will hear donald trump speak today. Where it is, we dont know. Hes not a shy guy. He likes to speak. Do you see this case, george, going to trial before the election . I hope so, and i think its quite possible. I think thats the reason why you dont see other defendants here. It always becomes more complicated when you have more codefendants and more lawyers. Every lawyer gets to crossexamine. The jury has to keep track of the evidence against each defendant. Everything takes longer and is exponentially more complicated, whereas the reason why this indictment is really one of the great things about this indictment, it basically tracks trump, what trump was told, what he said, what he did, what he was told, how he lied about what he was told, and just a continual sequence of following donald trump along. When you see that, you know, he was told by so many lawyers, people, Justice Department, private lawyers, white House Counsel, that he lost the election, you cannot thats why norm is right, the facts are not on their side. You know, wolf, theres a distinct possibility that this will go to trial as soon as march of 2024, because alvin bragg, the manhattan d. A. Has a place held on the calendar for a trial in march, and he said hes willing to step aside for the interests of justice. Jack smith may take him up on that, and Tanya Chutkin broadband the judge to say, lets do it. Shell do it. She knows all the Defense Tactics in delay. Thats not uncommon for criminal defendants. Shes One Of The Best at it. [ laughter ] the Trump Campaign doesnt see it that way. As happy as they were to get judge cannon, theyre unhappy about her. Shes been very harsh on the january 6th rioters. She has a lot of trial experience, and the concern, of course, is she could move forward. Could we talk about this blank space here on this indictment . My question to the lawyers here is, is this also a way to overtly pressure people and say, um, you know, okay, you want to cooperate with us at some point, we havent indicted you. Youre a coconspirator, but we havent indicted you, so maybe youll think twice about gives us more of what we need to try to convict donald trump so that you avoid it. Its a second act, because the investigation to date was a pressure campaign. You know, the other blank in here that goes to that point is, where is mark meadows . Why is he not identified as one of these six individuals . It must be the case we dont know it for sure, but logic and experience tells us he must be cooperating either under courtordered immunity, or an agreement, or both. So, you know, the train is leaving the station a bit. Its not the first stop, but yes. That may be what barr was talking about about kaitlan, that jack smith knows a lot more than he is saying in this indictment. And one of the he may know more about, and in his Brief Statement on tuesday, he flatly said the investigation is continues, so we shall see where it goes. Theyre driving to the airport. Were watching this unfold on live coverage. 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Ask your doctor for important safety information. [Camera Shutter] to find a doctor who uses mako visit makocan. Com in just a few moments, we expect President Trumps airplane to take off. Todays are els of a new cnn poll, which strates whats happening within the gop. 69 of republicanleaning voters now sae biden win was not legitimate. And of course, its not true, but people believe it, and you can see that they still believe it, our panel is with me now. Jeff duncan, former Lieutenant Governor of georgia, frontrow seat, lets put it that way. Those numbers have gone up from earlier this year. Hard to explain from my seat other than to say its another example of the chaos donald trump has sewn through the Republican Party. Its one of these ultimate trojan horse moment. He came under the guys of a businessminded changer from the outside. And our winning percentage, most importantly. And he says his post today, im one more indictment from being reelected, rerring, it appears, to georgia. Im being arrested for you. Its an honor to be arrested for you. Look, thats classic donald trump defliect and project. Thats what demagogues do. Hes being persecuted, not prosecuted for the things he has done. You talk about a reality check, its obviously deeply troubling, everyone is entitled to their own pin. Why . Because hyperpartisanship is a hell of a drug. Remember this. If the country is not actually 5050, its a third democrat, third republican, third independent. Even 70 of the Republican Party is around 22 , if of the american people. Thats important for people to understand. As we were saying during the commercial break, thats calming in some senses, but yet its a twoparty system. And thats a real tight problem. I dont want people to think theres a supermajority believe Donald Trumps statements. Look at herschel brian kemp in that same election beat the brakes over Stacey Abrams with the same voters, with the same machines, i might add, and important to say the same mention in the context of this indictment. Geoff, you have the former president in miss motorcade. We under the circumstances from kristens reporter that jason miller, saying when our research and legal team cant bac t claims, yocan see why rear 032 on the case. Yet hes with trump today defending him. It makes you wonder how long hes going to stay or if hes going to stay. He may be called as a witness in this trial. It would be strange for him now helping out with the campaign, but this is what happened. All these people around trump were telling him the truth about what was happening in the election, that he had lost the election. So he kind of had to go outside to what mike pence referred to as the crackpot lawyers and others to find people who were willing to say, okay were willing to pretend this is a fraud and disinformation, and see what we can do with it. The people around him were telling him no. And john eastman, conspirator number two, his attorney was saying they would be thrilled to tang some sort of deal, but saying the context is wrong here. We have a different recollection. The jury simply may not believe that. What were seeing from John Eastmans attorney is undermining some of the basic points. Number one, this was just about free speech. Number two, the president was relying on advice appeared advisers. All of those, if they choose to bring defenses, which they dont have to, you know, those will all be tested, but, you know, i think eastmans attorneys, this was just a misunderstanding of the opinion, the point will not hold, particularly given that, you know, at least one other federal judge halls already found that john eastman, more likely than not, committed a crimy concert with the president. Now that a California Court has ruled something doesnt obligate another court to find the same thing, but its still persuasive. A judge said, you know what . I think the two individuals committed a crime together. Thats significant. And trumps lawyer is saying its all John Eastmans fault. That playing okay on tv, i guess, but if youre going to bring an advise of counsel defense, that means you waive the attorneyclient privilege, you get all sorts of documents, so trump will not make that argument officially. Just in a court of public pinp opinion, as we say. 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