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At first, i wasnt sure. But i have come to believe that he knew well he had lost the election. And now, what i think is important is the government assumed the burden of proving that. The government, in the indictment, takes the position that he had actual knowledge that he had lost the election and the election wasnt stolen through fraud. They have to prove that beyond a reasonable doubt. Thats a high bar. That leads me to believe that were only seeing the tip of the iceberg. You believe jack smith has more . I believe he has a lot more. Lets bring in Michael Cohen, Donald Trumps former fixer and attorney. Hes a principal of crisis. Hes the author of the New York Times best seller, revenge how donald trump weaponized the Department Of Justice against his critics. Michael, great to have you here tonight. You heard the former Attorney General, he believes that donald trump knew he lost the election. And what do you think about that being a defense, that his attorneys are going to say, he believed that there was Election Fraud, nobody could ever show evidence of it . Donald will now reach to any defense he thinks will exonerate him from the charges that are being brought against him. He will lie, in order to accomplish that. I have a whole issue with bill barr, to be honest with you. What is it . Bill barr is a man who was Donald Trumps fixer after me. He became the Attorney General of the united states. As far as weaponizing the Department Of Justice, he was the z he was the head of the Department Of Justice. It would be no different than sammie the bull gravano for john gotti. And before he has the ability, if it comes on this station or any station, and talk about what donald trump did, what he needs to do is to come clean himself, talk about, for example, the weaponization of the Justice Department, that donald trump told him to do, including, like what my book is about. How they, meaning bill barr, donald trump, et cetera, weaponized the Justice Department to go against a critic because i refuse to waive my First Amendment constitutional right. Its interesting you say that. He did talk about donald trump weaponizing the doj tonight with Kaitlan Collins. And what bill barr said was, theres no question he believes these understand Tugs Instituti used to go after his enemies. Thats the whole premise of my book. However, who did he use to ef effect the goal . Bill barr. Before bill barr welcomes himself back into polite society, he needs to own what he did. He needs to be accountable for his actions, the same way i did, when i testified in front of the house overnight committee. I can understand why you have strong feelings about him. He said Something Else interesting to Kaitlan Collins tonight, about the amount of carnage, his word, that he thinks that donald trump leaves in his wake. Let me play this for you. He belleaves in his wake, rud lives like this, the people that went up to capitol hill, many that served him in government that got sucked into things. And he leaves all of this carnage in his wake. You think he cares about that . No. He doesnt care about that. Loyalty is a oneway street for him. I feel like you have something to say about that phenomenon. I agree with everything that he said. Except for the fact that he was part of the group that was leaving the carnage in the street. He was part of the people who were weaponizing the Department Of Justice. He is not an innocent baby in this case. He is, in fact, a guilty party. And again, he needs to come clean. As we we believe, the indictment says theres six Unindicted Coconspirators. We have a graphic of who we know believe they are, and th, o we theres a sixth that we have not confird o that is. You know some of those folks, particularly Rudy Giuliani. What do you think is in store for these six Unindicted Coconspirators . A lot of trouble. What will ultimately happen is government will come to these Unindicted Coconspirators and give them an opportunity to tell the truth, to tell their side of the story. Every one of them to knows based on the allegations, the causes of action that were raised in the indictment. Each and every one of them knows that this is me, that theyre talking about. And right now, theyre in the honeymoon stage, where theres an investigation, theyre looking into me. So far, theres nothing happening. Maybe they think they wont be indicted. Maybe they think they have gotten away with something. Thats a foolish way to think. The government, especially jack smith, is not allowing anybody to escape. So, each and every one of them knows that this is me that theyre talking about, and i think its necessary for me to have my attorneys reach out to jack smith and his team to ensure that at least i have an opportunity to provide information. If they havent already. Like, im a Firm Believer that Rudy Giuliani has already spoken. What makes you think that . I understand rudy. Rudy has no interest in intending his remaining days on this planet behind bars for donald trump. In fact, you know, i think the more important thing is not who the six coconspirators are, but rather who is missing from the indictment. Like, for example, you dont see any mention of mark meadows. You see nothing of jared ku kushner. Jared kushner was the secretary of everything. How is it possible he is not listed here . He was there. He was on donalds lap, from the entire time the day that donald entered the white house, to the day he left. How do you explain it . I believe he is a cooperating witness. Jared kushner. Thats interesting. People have pointed out that mark meadows is conspicuously absence from the indictment. But vch jury ared kushner is hi soninlaw. You think Jared Kushner would cooperate . You dont think donald wouldnt throw jared under the bus . Its an emphatic yes. You think the same is true about mark meadows . Absolutely. Whats one thing that bill barr said . Donald trump doesnt care. Hes a oneway street. That means in jared goes down, mark meadows, or Rudy Giuliani, or eastman, or any of them, he doesnt care. Thats just who he is. Re speaking of eastman, eastmans Attorney Says john eastman will not turn on donald trump. Heres what he said earlier tonight. Dr. Eastman is happy to tell his side of the story. To tell the issues he believes are important to the constitution and the country. Under the right circumstances he would share those views and share his recollection of everything happened in 2020. By cooperation, you mean flipping on donald trump or providing indrim nating information, then absolutely not. Interesting. He will share his recollections but not provide incriminating information. The lawyer is talking gibb gibberish. You dont need john eastman to come out and tell the story. Jack smith has the story. He has the Text Messages and emails and the testimony from other witnesses that places john eastman in this scenario. Either hes going to turn around and deny it, which would be a violation for lying to Law Enforcement, or hes going to turn around and corroborate what the other testimony the witnesses have made. Whatever this guy says, its irre irrelevant. Theyre all in the honeymoon stage, where they are not feeling the full force of what jack smith is going to bring on to them. Look, ive been there. And im talking about the Southern District of new york. 24 hours to plead guilty, or theyre filing an 80page indictment thats going to include my wife. Thats on my case. Imagine what jock ack smith and doj is going to do. Knowing they have the information, the testimony, and the Documentary Evidence and so on, to bring all of the people to justice. Donald trump, one of his defenses was, i was just listening to the advice of my counsel. They were telling me to pursue the fraudulent election claims. What do you think of that defense . Thats exactly why rudy, eastman, clark, sidney powell, all of them need to come clean and all of them need to provide testimony because donald is telling them what hes going to do. Hes going to use them as a scap scapegoat, like he did with me. Hes going to use them in order to exonerate himself. And theyre going to be, like me, the ones holding the bag for donald. Re Michael Cohen, great to get your perspective. Thanks for coming in. Kaitlan collins just interviewed former Attorney General bill barr this evening. As you heard, he had a lot to say about trumps legal trouble. You know, to me, its amazing that you read through the indictment and his behavior in that indictment, and its nauseating. Its despicable behavior. Whether its criminal or not, someone who participated in that bullying about a process thats fundamental to our system and our government shouldnt be anywhere near the oval office. And for him to be attacking a prosecutor, who is investigating that, with all of the epithets and so forth, he has no basis for, as far as i can tell, you know, is ridiculous. Hes an aggressive prosecutor. Hes the kind of prosecutor, in my view, if he thinks someone has committed a crime, you know, he hones in on it and really goes to make that case. Theres no question hes aggressive. But i do not think that hes a partisan actor. Here to discuss all of this, we have jessica washington, cnn political analyst, john avlon, joe pinion and harry litman. Great to have you here tonight. Bill barr, it was fascinating to hear everything he said to Kaitlan Collins. She did an incredible interview tonight. Bill barr is a big believer in president ial power. Okay . He thinks that donald trump should be nowhere near the oval office again tonight. Your thoughts as you listened to what he said. Yeah. The fact that bill barr was one of his biggest defenders and now hes saying, i dont think, like you said, anywhere near the presidency. I think we should listen to that. Theres been other reports. I believe nbc spoke to, i think, dozens of folks within trumps cabinet who says, we do not think it was anonymous. We dont think this man should be president. I think that matters. The American Public should Pay Attention to that. Thoughts . You think . This is part of a pattern. His attorney, such a strong advocate, prodonald trump saying this man should be nowhere near the oval office because he will weaponize this against his enemies. Add that to all of the former Cabinet Members who are warning his supporters and the American People of the danger of a second donald trump term. And his hardcore supporters believe they know this man better than the people who worked with him daytoday, were warning. The people that know you best are warning about you the best, listen to them. Joe, what jumped out at you in this indictment . This 45page indictment . Theres behavior that i think was already outlined in the january 6th investigation, on capitol hill. So, for me, i dont think there was anything that was shocking or new. Theres some things in there that are shocking. If you look in the broader context of the conversation, many people have pointed out, theres no explicit quid pro quo. If you look at the charges brought relative to the actions taken by the president , its difficult, a high burden to prove that the president was knowingly making those statements. Theres many people who are better equipped than i am, attorneys that have worked at the Department Of Justice. I think we cant be picking and choosing. Its a difficult row to hoe. Before i have you respond to that, i want to play for you the defenses that Donald Trumps attorney on this network and others appears to be trying out. Okay . Heres a mashup of those. You have one of the leading constitutional scholars in the united states, john eastman, say to donald trump, this is a protocol you can follow, its legal. That eliminates criminal intent. Our focus is that this is an attack on free speech and political advocacy. And theres nothing thats more protected under the First Amendment than political speech. They want to go to trial so that, instead of debating the issues against joe biden, that President Trump is sitting in a courtroom. How is that justice . Okay. What i got from that, harry, he listened to his lawyers. This is a free speech issue. He can say whatever he wants. And this is to distract what the biden family problems. Speed round, huh . The last one wont come up in the courtroom. The last one is gibberish. Hes in charge with making agreements to do things unlawful. He uses words to do that. That doesnt make it a free speech issue. Hes trying to up end the political process. And lawyers theres six reasons it wont fly. The first one, they are coconspirators. You cannot rely on advice from someone who is conspiring with you to break the law. Wait a minute. They are his attorneys. Before they were his coconspirators, they were attorneys. Why cant he rely on advice from his attorneys . Because, if the advice is given in furtherance, of a crime, they need to come forward and say, i told him it was okay to have false electors. I told him its okay to obstruct. Not, i told him you can do your free speech. Its the actual charge they have to be able to go for. Quickly, joe. Were playing fast and loose. I listened to a disbarred attorney saying one of two men who have been Attorney General more than one is a hitman for the president. But also, at the same time, saying we should agree with it. Hes referring to Michael Cohen. Michael cohens point is that he feels that bill barr weaponized the Justice Department against him. He has that beef with him. He has his own animouse. Lets do that, joe. You said earlier, you know, theres all this conflicting evidence and we cant possibly know. One of the things the indictment you read the indictment, it lays out clearly a pattern of behavior that would suggest that donald trump was repeatedly confronted with the facts that he had lost the election by his closest aides. He was told again and again, the conspiracies he was spouting was not true and would go on ahead and spout them. Thats a fact pattern theyre going to rely upon. You need to take that into account when youre coming up with the, its impossible for us to know because they laid out a clear fact pattern. I never said it was impossible for us to know. Theres certainly many attorneys who have gone to prestigious institutions who have been apointed by republicans and democrats, who said unequivocally, this is a difficult case to prove. I dont know how somehow you want to put words in my mouth and say can i make one quick point . Quickly. Doesnt matter if he thinks this. Whether or not he believes it fairly, you cannot do false electors. You cant obstruct a proceeding. Jessica, one thing that was interesting to hear, mike pence, former Vice President mike pence spoke out. Hes been remarkably consistent since january 6th. Hes always said that the constitution did not allow him to do what was asked of him. Even after all of the pressure that was put on him. Here he is today. At the end of the day, history will hold donald trump accountable for his reckless words and actions on that day. The American People deserve to know that President Trump and his advisers didnt just ask me to pause. They asked me to reject votes, return votes, essentially to overturn the election. Thats Even Stronger than some of the things he said in the past. He was asked to overturn the election. I agree. I think that. Its hard to argue that this behavior wasnt at least potentially illegal. The thing is its hard not to come out as political in these things. Were looking at, repeatedly, trump was told, this did not happen over and over again in that indictment. And mike pence is saying, i was told to do something that was uncons unconstitutional. That donald trump had the knowledge to know it was unconstitutional. And we can say that a few people that were listed as coconspirators in this indictment, said it wasnt unconstitutional. But he was told repeatedly over and over again we have every reason to believe he should have understood that. Were were not living on a should have kind of right. Were out of time. I want to say i understand why youre struggling with it, jessica. It hasnt been adjudicated. We saw it with our own eyes. We are all trying to do the verbal gymnastic. The former Vice President is telling us that he told him to overturn the election. Hell tell the jury that, too. Most republicans have come out and said, not only was trying to have a separate state of electors disaster, we would have had chaos and bedlam. I think the preponderance of republicans are saying that. I look forward to the measurement. I dont know how you figure a preponderance there. Which in congress are saying that . Theres plenty that said, if we had a separate state of electors going in there. If you said in the supreme court, what was the legal remedy for this, they could not come to conclusion. I think theres plenty of republicans who agree with same thing. Friends, thank you very much. A lot of republicans think that donald trump is getting a raw deal. And a lot of those are fox viewers. Geraldo rivera left fox. He knows how the network and donald trump operate. 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Donald trumps Attorney General just sat down with our Catlin Collins to talk about this indictment. Bill barr says donald trump does not belong anywhere near the oval office again. Joining me now is Award Winning journalist, lawyer, and former fox hoest, geraldo rivera. Youre a lawyer. Im sure you read this 45page indictment. What jumps out at you . I believe everything that jack smith alleges is true. I believe that as he alleges, President Trump incited a riot, unleashed it with the intent of derailing the electoral process. He stabbed the constitution in the back. I think its obvious. I think that he, if not hatched the bizarre alternate elector scheme, he certainly embraced it. So, i think that he is facing, you know, the abyss. I think its tragic. I think many people, you know my former audience at fox, feel grieved by it. They feel its unfair. Threequarters of republicans in this country, believe that this is bogus, the weaponization of this. Its an affront to democracy. I think theyve got it backwards. You cant doubt the intensity, the ferocity of their loyalty for donald trump. I want to ask you about that, geraldo. Its very interesting that mirror image that youre describing about the weaponization of the doj, as you say, many fox hosts beat that drum all the time, as though jack smith is somehow doing something at the behest of President Biden, when, in fact, hes completely independent and theres no evidence of that. However, tonight, bill barr, the former Attorney General, did talk about former President Trump weaponizing the doj and he would do it again. And so, here is what bill barr said tonight. I think its ironic that all these people are getting huffy about weaponization. We cant go tit for tat. But trump, as you say, hes clear about it. I think theres no question that he believes these institutions should be used to go after his enemies. What about that, geraldo . Why dont fox hosts and fox viewers worry about that . I think, first of all, bill barr is, i believe, the most honorable man to come out of the trump administrations. Hes been absolutely right. He came in the administration to save the president from himself and from people who wanted him impeached the day before he took office. I really believe that bill barr saved the 45th president. What he is saying about the weaponization and so forth, i would not help but note, when youre interviewing Michael Cohen, that Michael Cohen was saying all of these things about bill barr, the Attorney General, and saying he was in on the various schemes and so forth. Michael cohen cant hold a candle to bill barr in terms of who is honorable and who is a lawabiding my point, geraldo. Michael cohen feels he was victimized by bill barr. Thats his personal feeling. Bill barr is saying that donald trump has talked about and will, to quote him, go after his political enemies. Thats what im talking about. Thats weaponizing the doj. I think that, first of all, do not believe that the doj is weaponized. I do not buy the Big Deep State conspiracy notions at all. I think the doj is relatively straightforward. However, there were, you know, options and going after trump for these allegations, i argue that impeachment was enough. He was acquitted by the senate to now go for indictments for the first time in 247 years. I think that is, you know, perhaps excessive. Let me ask you about that. Theyre two separate things. A senate trial is the political arena. And a criminal indictment is the criminal you know, arena. Our judicial arena. How can why are you saying its redundant . For instance, the senate trial and impeachment doesnt carry jail term. Theres no teeth to that. Its about whether youre going to fire the president. This is totally different. I appreciate that. Impeachment is what i thought the constitution made it very clear that impeachment was the remedy of malfeasance in office. Indictment is whats happening right now. This is the first time a president has been indicted. I mean, theres a reason why for 247 years its never happened even though president s have been all over the map. Why didnt they indict Richard Nixon . For instance. Maybe thats why my idea that donald trump should be pardoned has legs. Maybe we need to take a deep breath and say, do we really want to see the president the former president of the united states, the man half the country believes is the right man for the job, do we really want him to be reelected in jail . What happens to the country Going Forward . What happens now . All of these indictments go forward and i said at the top of the presentation. I think that everything that the Special Prosecutor has alleged is true. Are we going to watch trump be on trial, then in a primary . On trial, in a debate, on trial, in a primary on trial . Yeah. Were talking about two different tiers of justice . If not, arent we talking if you believe everything in the indictment is true, then you are saying that somebody is above the law. Well, you know, maybe i am. I think they got it backwards. The six Unindicted Coconspirators, i would argue and i believe, that these six Unindicted Coconspirators are the architects of these schemes. I believe that these you know, i love Rudy Giuliani after 9 11, everyone did. Americas mayor. He led these crackpots in the word of Vice President pence Vice President pence, Paraphernali Believe is an american hero, has demonstrated throughout this process, this sordid process, that he does put the constitution ahead of the interest of his political party. I know that he is reviled because of that. But i think that he has done a Great Service to the country. He was reviled by the extreme Trump Supporters and maybe fox viewers. One last thing, geraldo. Theres reporting that two Fox Executives On The Night that trump was indicted, met with him, at his Bedminster Golf Club to try to convince him to be part of the upcoming president ial debate they will be holding in milwaukee. Its just interesting to see well, let me ask you this. Do you think they are still very dedicated and devoted to donald trump . Well, thats a separate question. I think first of all, when jay wallace is in charge of News Gathering and the Chief Executive of the news division, when they meet donald trump, it is because, what is a debate when you dont have the person who is attracting 75 of the vote . What is the debate . What is this debate . A bunch of little guys and nikki haley running around going from 1 to 2 to 3 . Come on. Its no debate without donald trump. You know, when he missed iowa, i covered the 2016, when he missed iowa. Everyone was, you know, the whole angle of all the reports were, where is donald trump . If only donald trump was there, it would have been different. Now, he is bigger than ever, and larger than life, the former president , when hes having a debate to run for reelection under these bizarre circumstances. And i quickly want to say, for trump, this is win or die. Trump wins the election. He can pardon himself. He can put all this behind him. Trump loses the election, we go through all of the bizarre scenarios, where, you know, hes in jail. Hes in Orange Jumpsuit or handcuffs and, my fellow americans, the state of our nation come on. Is this really what do we do if he wins . He will pardon himself, i believe. Great point. Miles an geraldo. Great to get your perspective. How many lies about the election did donald trump actually tell . According to prosecutors, a lot. Daniel dale is here with our fact check, next. We planned well for retirement, but i wish we had more cash. You think those two have any idea . That they can sell their Life Insurance policy for cash . 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You have counted the lies. What is the tally . I counted 41 in the indictment. If you count it differently, theres some subjectivity. You can go as low as 18 or as high as 25, but i made a list of 21. The overarching lie that he was the stolen election. That fraud changed the outcome. Numerous trump officials, trump himself appointed, had them him this narrative was baseless, groundless, false. Lie number two, the lie that fake Protrump Lefters in states bon by biden were real electors. Lies three and four were the remarkable lies, on trumps pressure on the Justice Department. That trump tried to get doj to get a government stamp of approval to his lies by sending an official letter saying doj had major. Carolyn kmpbs. It had not. Trump alerted top officials ta to say the election was corrupt and leave the rest to me. Lie five is that Vice President pence had the power to reject votes. Pence and white house lawyers had repeatedly told trump that pence did not, this would be illegal, unconstitutional. But trump kept declaring that pence had that power. Number six, another lie about pence. Trump allegedly had his Campaign Issue a january 5th statement saying pence totally agreed that the v. P. Had the power to act, even though pence told trump just hours prior, he still actually totally disagreed. And number seven, trump allegedly told pence at a january 4th meeting they had won every state in question by hundreds of thousands of votes. Again, obviously false. Lies eight and nine are Conspiracy Theory about anyone onvoting machines. That there was switch from frump to biden. He repeated this claim, even though it was wrong. Number nine, trump retweeted Sidney Powells lie about Election Fraud involving dominion. He said that powell sounded, quote, crazy. Lies 10 through 13 are about georgia, one of the swing states he lost. Number ten, was that georgia had Tens Of Thousands of ballots from dead people. The republican Secretary Of State had told trump directly on the infamous phone call they found two dead voter cases. Number 11 is trumps lie that georgia had Tens Of Thousands of ballots from people out of state. Ra raf raf number 12, two Election Workers were caught on video stuffing the ballot box. Top officials told him this was false, and the workers were doing their jobs. Trump would not stop. He continues to repeat that lie this year, 2023, still going. Number 13, trumps tweeted lie that he was unwilling or unable to address his various fraud claims on that call. He debunked the claims and in detail on that call. Lie number 14, the false claim about a nefarious dump vote in michigan. He repeated this the day after barr directly explained to him what had happened in detroit was normal standard vote counting. Lies 15 and 16 were the pennsylvania and wisconsin, two more swing states had more votes than actual voters. Doj officials told trump this was untrue. But he still used the pennsylvania part in his preriot january 6th speech. 17 is the trump lie in that speech, that pennsylvania wanted to recertify its election results, showing the biden victory. Some republicans in the state did. But the democratic governor and elections chief, the people that had the certification power, did not. And lies 18 through 21, finally, are assorted false claims about various states. 18 that nevada had Tens Of Thousands of double votes. 19, that dead people and nonresidents voted in arizona. Wrong again. 20, 30,000 noncitizens voted in arizona. His Campaign Manager told him this was wrong. And 21, that wisconsin had major fraud and Tens Of Thousands of unlawful votes, all baseless. The crowd goes wild. The crowd has gone wild. I hope the guinness book of World Records was watching that. I dont believe you took a breath. I tried my best. Your breathwork is impressive. Is that everything . In all seriousness, that is not all of the election lying that trump did. In my own factchecking, i counted dozens of additional lies that the indictment did not mention. Of course, the indictments dont mention everything. Maybe some of the others will come up at a potential trial. Daniel, youre remarkable. You are remarkable. That was i cant believe you fit that into one live shot and one breath, as far as i can tell. Thanks so much for doing that for us. Next, what former President Obama told President Biden about President Trump. Former President Obama had lunch with President Biden in june and delivered an urgent message. According to the washington post, obama told President Biden that democrats were underestimating Donald Trumps political strengths in the 2024 election. Mr. Obama promised he would do everything in his power to get President Biden reelected. Doesnt joe biden know heres what apparently President Obama told President Biden. D that Donald Trumps political strengths are included trumpfriendly conservative a Media Ecosystem in a polarized country. Does joe biden not know that . Or does he not take them as seriously as he should . Im not inside the white house. I dont know what joe biden is thinking. I do think that sometimes theres this idea that it would be better to run against trump. Now this point a thrice indicted president ial candidate. But like obama said, donald trump is a threat. Its scary to think he can be indicted three times and still be a threat. Theres no doubt that we have a massive political divide and that donald trump has a following that, if anything, seems emboldened by the indictments. So, it doesnt seem to be hitting a wall that maybe a typical candidate, like joe biden, who has been in politics, light expect. Such a great point. I think that i think that obama was trying to say, not only is donald trump a threat, hes a big threat. And maybe democrats dont know that. Yeah. I mean, they should figure that out by now. Its the same logic in 2016. A new poll coming out a few days ago, showing a dead heat. If you look at his republican support. 37 of republicans say they will support him no matter what. The remainder are persuadable. Thats a bad number for donald trump. But obama is saying to biden and democrats, dont cheer lead for trump to be the nominee. Dont assume this is an easy win. Were a polarized country. Anything can happen. Compete, take it seriously. Thats smart. Joe . Theres a law of diminishing returns. Theres a flipside, the court of public opinion. When you have so much of a focus on President Trump, the first indictment felt like o. J. Simpson, driving down the road in the white bronco. By now, its barely a blip for peep as they try to go through their everyday lives, particularly the kovrcoverage o. As we realize that biden no, maamics, as many reports are saying, in some ways falling on deaf ears. The exact opposite is true. The economy is doing well. What is striking is he is not getting credit for it. Just because you say it, doesnt make it true. Look at the numbers. Today, we had the actual ratings were america by the way, were leading to instability of the country. Put aside that we have 500,000 americans that are 60 days behind on car payments. Record low unemployment. Dont just trot that out. You can say that biden is not getting credit for the economy. I think hes getting credit for an economy, that he should not be getting credit for. So, i dont want to get into this whole thing. This is actually the problem right, that we have a country that is seeing the world through two different prisms. Im saying lets have a debate about facts. What did i say about facts inaccurate . That the economy is going down. We have people late on their car payment. You are right. This is the point. You can have perspectives on the facts, that doesnt mean the facts are null and void. Last thoughts . Im the lawyer and former prosecutor. Theres two boxes out there. All i can say is, we have to focus on this and its paramount for the country. I dont know if this is a 20 box and 80 box. Its a disaster box and the end of democracy. Im all about this box. You mean in terms of this adjudication coming up . Okay. Thank you. Even the campaign. Everything goes by the boards if trump wins. Its a disaster. Im focus on the rule of law. Its all a lawyer can do. Thats what jack smith is doing. Got it. Up next, tomorrows news tonight. How Law Enforcement is gearing up for Donald Trumps appearance in Federal Court tomorrow. Nt. New cascade platinum plus. With double The Dawn Grease Fighting power and double the scrubbing power. For a no rewash clean. 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