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Bolton. Later, trumps trial judge, tanya chutkan, what we know about the sentences shes already given other january 6th defendants. And ukraine, a remarkable rescue. A ukrainian soldier saved with the help of a drone, which delivered medical supplies and water. Good evening. Tomorrow the former president of the United States will make his second appearance in a Federal Court as an alleged felon. The first was in miami in the documents case. Until donald trump in the 234 years since George Washington has held the office, no holder of the office has had to do that once. Tomorrow, the 44th president since washington will enter a Federal Courthouse in washington, just a short walk from the capitol. Hell be asked by a federal magistrate to plead to four counts in an indictment. An effort that special counsel jack smith said yesterday was, quote, fuelled by lies. And criminal or not, there were plenty of those lies. The indictment identifies 21 separate lies the former president told, lies about nonexistent voter fraud, about ballot dumps that did not happen, lies that former Vice President pence had the power, which he did not, to reject biden Electoral Votes. Today the defender suggesting his former boss was seeking a pause in the certification process, not the reversal of it. Now candidate pence said this. Lets be clear on this point. It wasnt just that he asked for a pause. The president specifically asked me and his gaggle of crack pot lawyered asked me to literally reject votes, which would have resulted in the issue being turned over to the house of representatives. Now, that said, in a separate appearance, mr. Pence reiterated that he did not want to see the former president prosecuted. And that any judgment of his actions would be, quote, left to the American People, unquote. Which is more than many, though not all of his fellow republican candidates have said since the indictment. In a few minutes, john boltons take. Also what Security Looks like around the courthouse. First, cnns paula reid starts us off. Paula, what is the latest we know about logistics tomorrow. Anderson, we expect the former president will travel here to washington to attend this hearing in person, even though he did have the option to do this virtually. Now, this is a courthouse that is used to dealing with vips and people with motorcades, so it is entirely possible that we may not see him at all during this Court Proceeding because there is a garage underneath this courthouse where most vips or people who want to avoid the media can easily pull into. And of course there are no cameras in Federal Court. Once hes inside the courthouse tomorrow, hes effectively under arrest. Hell be processed like any other defendant, but we do not expect he will have a mug shot taken. This issue came up in the manhattan appearance and the florida initial appearance. Mug shots are for when a suspect goes on the lam. He is, of course, one of the most recognizable faces in the world, so they have not been taking mug shots of him. Now, during this hearing, he will not be appearing before judge chutkan, who will handle the event case and trial. This will be before a magistrate judge. Its a procedural hearing. It should be over pretty quickly. Hes expected to have the opportunity to enter a plea, and of course we expect that to be not guilty. Is it clear where the special counsels Investigation Goes Af tomorrow . It obviously continues. Thats right. The special counsel has made it clear they will continue to investigate. And through our reporting, weve gotten insight into exactly what that means. We know that special counsel investigators, not the grand jury but the prosecutors, are going to speak to additional witnesses over the next few weeks. This next week they will sit down with bernie karat, former new york police commissioner. He worked right alongside Rudy Giuliani in all of his efforts to overturn the results of the 2020 election. So, thats just one of several witnesses we know theyre speaking to through the end of the summer. But anderson, it also speaks to the possibility of additional charges. We know this investigation continues. They could file additional charges against new defendants or file additional charges like they did down in florida against the former president. But we know, for example, bernie karat, theyll be talking to him quite a bit about coconspirator number one, Rudy Giuliani. The choice to charge the former president clearly strategic, and well be watching and waiting and reporting to see who else may be charged here. Senior political commentator and january 6th select Committee Member Adam Kinzinger, anthony scaramucci, who is a supporter of and donor to Chris Christie and his campaign. Gloria borger and cnn senior legal analyst, elie honig. Elie, just in terms of what happens in court tomorrow, what point does it go to judge chutkan. She will have the next appearance. What she will do is she has probably already sent the date to the magistrate saying i want the parties in front of me usually within a week or two. You want to get that one done quickly. One of the interesting things that will happen tomorrow is typically in the course of being processed, the u. S. Marshal, the court staff will run someones wrap sheet where you get the history. Hes going to have two other pending charges on that wrap sheet, which is a first in our history. It will be a largely formalistic procedure. He will enter a plea. It will be not guilty. Hell be released on his own recognizance. The big thing at the first appearance in front of the judge is what indication does she give us about the timing and the schedule. Former Vice President did not talk to your committee, the january 6th committee. He did to jack smith. Not a ton. I wish the Vice President would have spoken. And, you know, im glad they got him to speak there. He needs to, i think, go a step further and actually say whether or not he believes this was criminal. You cant just fall back on, im not a lawyer, ill let the lawyers decide. I dont get surprised by these because ive been so surprised, like my Surprise Glands are all destroyed by now. But i basically, the thing that really kind of shocked me was the amount of violence that they were discussing, that these cospontaneous spear investors were talking about, that thiey knew there would be riots in the street. And also just the continuation during the actual insurrection, the 187 minutes of Rudy Giuliani and others continuing to reach out to try to turn the senators and congressmen. Its, like, its nuts. And i just this doesnt feel like real life. It is real life, and thats why its so important for us to follow through, make sure justice is done. Go ahead, gloria. Anderson, you know what was shocking to me was to hear mike pence talk about crack pot lawyers. Its not the kind of language you usually hear from mike pence. And i think hes getting a little bit more bold about how hes going to handle donald trump because, you know, as he said today, anyone who puts himself above the constitution should never be president of the United States. And he said directly that is exactly what the former president was asking him to do. So, i dont think weve ever seen mike pence like this. And i think its going to continue to get worse and worse because i think he realizes that in order to win this nomination one way or another, hes got to go right through donald trump. Anthony, as we said, the person youre supporting, Chris Christie, has been bold in his condemnation of the former president. Theres not a lot of other republicans running who have, asa hutchinson, will hurd to some extent. Mike pence being bold is not exactly, maybe, you know, most peoples definition of bold. Right. Id say its like howdy doody calling out the bully in the bar and expecting something to happen. Of course, nothings going to happen. So, hes a terrific guy, Vice President pence, but if you want to win the republican nomination, youve got to go after mr. Trump. Youve got to explain to the American People the lawlessness of what this is. And also counter the argument that every single one of these governmental jurisdictions, the department of justice, manhattan, possibly georgia, theyre not politicized. These are objective, careful people, and theres a very high threshold to prosecute a former president. And so i think that the candidates, the republican candidates like tim scott and Governor Desantis are doing America A Disservice by not speaking truth to power. Privately they go to these fundraisers and they tell people what they think, but they wont do it on the air and they wont do it in the public domain. But they need to start doing it now because the shot clock is ticking, anderson. Mark meadows is kind of go ahead. Well, no, i was just going to add to that, i still am i just confused as why everybody is scared to death to call this what it is. I mean, if youre a member of the house, youre a moefbt se member of the senate, i get it. You have a reelection. These candidates running for president , i think theyre still hoping just like in 2016 that somehow this magic pony is going to come out of the sky and donald trump is going to be taken out of this race. Since they showed enough fealty to donald trump, maybe now they can scrape up some of his voters and win. Its not going to happen. And only Chris Christie and a couple others have had the courage to do it. Gloria, you agree with that . I totally agree. I dont know what desantis is waiting for here. Look, this is a former president who has a 54 popularity in the republican party. Hes beating desantis by a boatload. What have you got to lose at this point . You have to take on, you know, donald trump. And what shocked me from the New York Times poll yesterday, the times poll said, these are over 300 maga supporters. And we asked them, you know, are you just willing to overlook anything in order to vote, you know, for donald trump . There was not one person in that group who thought that donald trump had any flaws at all to overlook. I want to get back to the trial because, elie, the former president s attorney told Kaitlan Collins last night that he thought it could take nine months to a year given all the court dates and stuff for this. I mean, is they reasonable time frame . Or is that a wish list from the trump side . That is high to me, i think, in terms of trying the actual case. There are cases, though, that take four, five, six months in order to try them in front of a jury. And even if we cut that estimate in half and say this will take four months, thats a big problem for prosecutors because there is not an available realistic fourmonth Calendar Spot at this point. We already have between the two trials that have been scheduled march through july is booked. You cant get it in before that. Its too late after that. Now, keep in mind, these trial dates are not set in stone. They can move. The epa, who has the march and april date, alvin bragg, he has publicly been signaling he would be willing to move off of his date to accommodate this one. The prosecutors, by the way, theres nothing wrong with them getting together and saying, hey, lets prioritize. If we have room to try maybe one or two trials, which is the most important. I think january 6th is the most important. Anthony, were you surprised mark meadows hes referenced once or twice in this indictment. But he doesnt really show up at all. Do you think hes made a deal . Listen, i dont know, so im not going to say that hes made a deal. But i do think that mark meadows, when push comes to shove, hes going to side with the law. And i think if hes underoath somewhere, hes going to be telling people the truth. Hes not donald trump thats going to spew out one lie per second when hes with people. So, listen, you know, Adam Kinzinger is 100 correct. What are you guys doing . Why are you waiting on this . You have a lawless person who is running a cult inside what used to be Ronald Reagans party. Where is the mantle of leadership in this party other than governor christie and Vice President pence. Go after this guy and pop that bubble his cult is living in. If they dont do that, hes going to get a nomination, and were going to have a redo of 2020. Elie, on whether its mark meadows or others, they have more evidence that is not in this indictment. Theyre saving stuff for court . Yeah, you put as much evidence as you need to in the indictment. This is not everything. Mark meadows presents a conundrum for prosecutors. Theres no such thing as halfway cooperation. So, if you take mark meadows, if youre a prosecutor and you want him on board with you, and you believe hes committed crimes, he has to plead guilty to those crimes. Its hard to look at this indictment that donald trump is charged with all these serious crimes and say, somehow mark meadows stayed completely on the other side of the fence and kept himself clean while trump was doing all this. Either he has pled guilty or will plead guilty in which hes a capital c cooperator or else hes not of much use to the government. Just one thing to add about mark meadows. The people that ive interviewed about him inside and outside the white house call him the enabler. He was with donald trump every single step of the way. And it is incredibly odd that suddenly hes gone silent and they believe he knows a lot and that he was the enabler. Glory, thanks. Elie honig, Adam Kinzinger, anthony scaramucci. Next more on the numbers gloria mentioned a moment ago, what republicans think about the former president af three indictments and john bolton joins me. Later, a closer look at who will be overseeing his upcoming trial, the federal judge with a reputation o of being tough on january 6th defendants. A lifeoftheparty day. A takeontheworld day. A believeinmyself day. A flashmynewteeth day. Because your clearchoice day is the day you get your confidence back for good. A clearchoice day changes every day. Schedule a free consultation. Why didnt we do this last year . Before you were preventing migraine with qulipta® . Remember the pain . Cancelled plans . The worry . That was then. And look at me now. Youll never truly forget migraine. But qulipta® reduces attacks, making zeromigraine days possible. 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And thats a big reason why he maintains this lead in the primary. So, thats a 15, 16, 16, thats people in the republicans who think he should have been charged . Thats correct. Thats republicans who think he should have been charged. The vast majority believe they should not have been charged. Just a sliver of the electorate believe so. What percentage of republicans see the 2020 election as legitimate. Yeah, you probably dont want to see this number because the clear majority believe it was not legitimate. Look at this. Over 60 . And, you know, cnn has polled this any number of times, almost a dozen of times dating back since 2021. And every single time, the result has looked Something Like this, with somewhere between roughly 60 and 70 of the Republican Base who do not believe the 2020 election was legitimate. And i think thats part of the reason why republicans do not believe trump should be charged, given the actions on january 6th because they believe basically the 2020 election was illegitimate and Everything Else thereon, he was just fighting for his rights. So, is that the lens through which people see . How do republican view their vies on the election 2020, color who they support this time . Yeah, so, this i think is the key nugget when trying to understand why donald trump has the lead in the 2024 republican primary race. So, if you break it down under the 2020 election, if you believe that trump did not excuse me, that biden did not win legitimately, look at trumps support. Its into the 60s. If you do believe biden won legitimately, you can basically slice 40 points off of that. Trump is in the mid to high 20s. So, if people actually believed what is true, that is the 2020 election was legitimate, trumps support would be farless. Which is part of the reasons i wonder why other republicans arent going af trump saying, he did lose that election legitimately. For whatever reason, theyre deciding, were going to give the soft hands to trump. The soft hands . The soft i dont know. The not hard, the kiddy gloves. The kiddy gloves. Kiddy gloves. Former u. N. Ambassador john bolton, in addition to National Security adviser, also obviously an attorney. Ambassador bolton, youve seen the indictment alleged the former president tried to illegally overturn the election but he did so knowing he lost it. Are you satisfied with the scope of the charges against him . Well, im satisfied with the scope. I think its a very well done indictment, obviously tailored for a speedy trial, which i think is important. I think this case has a problem that the classified documents case really does not. And that is the question of what trumps State Of Mind actually was and what he knew, purported to know about the election, and what his sbintentions were. And im worried that given the stakes here and given the Criminal Law Standard of reasonable doubt to be enough to find a juror for a juror to find trump not guilty, that this case could be problematic because i think in The Big Picture of whats best for the country, which is making Sure Donald Trump doesnt become president again, if this case were to go to trial, first, lets say, among the several criminal cases and trump were acquitted or got a hung jury, which would be tantamount to the same thing in the short term, i think that would clinch the republican nomination and might even clinch the general election. Do you think, though, that the public have a right to hear this case adjudicated before the election . Well, i think the first right is the defendants right to a fair trial, no question about it. But i think the Public Interest here argues almost beyond a doubt itself in favor of trial before the election. This case and really the classified documents case goes to how trump handled himself as a president and a former president. And both cases show he didnt handle it very well. Trump, if he were innocent, if he were really innocent, he would be saying, i want trial tomorrow. I want this stain removed from my reputation. Thats obviously not his strategy. We all know what his strategy is. But i think the prosecutors really now at this point need to work out what the best schedule is going to be. And i think, frankly, the georgia and new york prosecutors should defer to the federal prosecutors. And if need be move their trials after the election. Main reason i say that is that if trump is elected, he will dismiss the federal prosecutions. And if hes already been convicted, hell pardon himself. Whereas the State Prosecutions can go on even after hes elected. One of the former president s made it clear that in the election case, the january 6th case, theyre clearly going to make some sort of First Amendment defense. Do you think there is such a defense to be had here . No. You know, the First Amendment does not apply to conspiracies to violate the law. And smith tries to show in the indictment itself that hes not going after freedom of speech. So, i think that will fail. I think the problem is in the proof of intent beyond a reasonable doubt. And smith, in fact, makes the point i dont know if he intended to do it, but he makes it in paragraph 54 of the indictment, where he talks about the scheme to set up fake electors. Just read one sentence, if i may. Talking about the memoranda that one of the lawyers prepared, one of trumps lawyers prepared. He says the memoranda evolved over time from a legal strategy to preserve the defendants rights to a covert plan to subvert the federal government function. Thats a statement, which i think is true, that it started out in principle to be legitimate. But then became corrupt over time. And i think thats where it gets very difficult. And i come back again to the wellknown standard of reasonable doubt. It only takes one juror with reasonable doubt to hang the jury on that count. Mark meadows is barely mentioned in this indictment. Does that raise questions for you . Well, it certainly seems to indicate that hes been cooperating. I know his lawyer, a former doj Deputy Attorney general, very well. We worked together on the famous Florida Recount in 2000. And george is a very adroit lawyer. And im sure hes had some interesting discussions with the prosecutors. Meadows could turn out to be a prosecution witness against trump, very definitely. I spoke yesterday with mic michael luttig. He said these events will forever scar and stain the United States and they will forever scar and stain the United States in the eyes of the world. Never again will the world be inspired by americas democracy in the way it has been inspired since americas founding almost 250 years ago. Its a really sad statement. Do you think thats true . Ive known mike for a lot of years, have a lot of respect for him. I dont agree with him on that point. I think trump is an aberration. I think he is so unlike any other american president that the stain will be on him. Any country so many republicans are still voting for him, theyre still supporting him. He could win. The case he could. But it is not a reflection, i think, on the country. It is a reflection on trumps unique ability to lie and get away with it, as he has for many years. Ambassador bolton, thank you so much. Thank you. Coming up next, the Security Preparations underway for the former president s Court Appearance tomorrow. Also the trial judge, tanya chutkan, her history with the defendant and how shes already dealt with january 6th rioters. Oh my god, here it is. 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Were actually at the back of the courthouse here in washington, d. C. , the Federal Courthouse, where we expect the former president to arrive. Hes going to arrive here in the back, anderson. And what we expect is hes going to be driven here through the back. There is a garage here. Hes going to be taken right upstairs to the second floor. This entire street here is going to be closed. This is where the motorcade is. Theres already signs posted here saying that there will be no parking from 6 00 a. M. To 6 00 p. M. So, this entire area we expect to be flooded with Law Enforcement, as they wait for the former president s arrival. And just around the corner here, anderson, where we go is actually the Side Entrance of the courthouse, where we also expect there to be a large Law Enforcement presence. Were not seeing that right now. But certainly through the night and into the morning, we do expect that to change, anderson. What kind of preparations are being put in place tonight . So, actually, i want to show you something, anderson, when we get to the corner here. Were just a couple of blocks from the capitol, and we have already seen Capitol Police putting barriers, barricades, in place. The capitol is just down the street here and to the left, and you can see we saw Capitol Police, other officials, starting to put up barricades. Theres so much concern here that theyre trying to secure the area around the capitol. Of course january 6 on the minds of many here in Law Enforcement. And because of that, theyre going as far as across the street here and placing barriers, these Metal Barriers that you see here. Theyre now placing them all across the capitol. And just up here, anderson, will be the entrance to the courthouse, the Side Entrance, where many of the press are gathering already, as you can see, to get in line to get inside the courthouse. And obviously this entire street we expect that Law Enforcement will close it down. We expect other street closures, given how close we are to the capitol. Theres obviously a lot of concern. Theres no threats, no credible threats. But officials here are not taking any chances. Tomorrow, certainly by the morn, we should see more security, more Law Enforcement officials present out here. Shimon prokupecz, thank you. The former president has decided to show up in person. Hell go before the magistrate judge. For his criminal trial, a federal judge was chosen at random. Her name is tanya chutkan. Shes been on the bench for over a decade and has sentenced other january 6th defendants. Randi kaye has more. Reporter she has described the events of january 6th as a violent mob seeking to overthrow the lawfully elected government. Tanya chutkan has a reputation of handing down tough sentences. Shes talked about 2024 and the threat the rioters pose before sentences. Reporter chutkan has predecided over dozes of criminal cases against alleged january 6th rioters. She has often been outspoken at their sentencing hearings. At a 2022, for two friends that had gone to the capitol, chutkan said, this wasnt bill and teds excellent adventure. They came to washington knowing full well the actions of january 6th. She also called it a violent attempted overthrow of the government that almost succeeded. At a criminal sentencing of another rioter, she said this. He did not go to the u. S. Capitol out of any love for our country. He went for one man. One man in that sentence would be donald trump. This wont be the first time chutkan has dealt with a case involving the former president. Chutkan rejected trumps efforts to block the House Committee investigating january 6th from accessing more than 700 pages of records from the white house. In her ruling in that case, she wrote this memorable line. President s are not kings, and plaintiff is not president. Chutkan has called the January 6th Stviolence an assault on american democracy, saying rioters soiled and defaced the halls of the capitol and showed their contempt for the rule of law. Shes repeatedly gone above. Chutkan has also issued a warning about Political Violence at a sentencing hearing in december 2021. It has to be made clear that trying to stop the peaceful transition of power, assaulting Law Enforcement, is going to be met with certain punishment. Chutkan was born in kingston, jamaica. She was appointed by barack obama in 2014 and has served as a federal judge since the Senate Confirmed her 950. Before that, she spent more than a decade working as a public defender af graduating from the university of pennsylvania law school. Randi kaye, cnn. Just ahead tonight, were going to tell you more about the six coconspirators named in the federal indictment. Evas about to learn her fear of missing out leads to overeating. I totally eat stuff to not miss out. 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The names were not included in the 45page indictment, but cnn has been able to identify those or i should say most of those individuals using quotations from the indictment and context from other sources. Paula reid has more details. Reporter coconspirator one, prosecutors describe as an attorney who was willing to spread knowingly false claims and pursue strategies that the defendants 2020 Reelection Campaign attorneys would not. That is Rudy Giuliani, the man at the center of trumps efforts. And if were wrong, we will be made fools of. Reporter according to the indictment, coconspirator 1 left a voice mail for a u. S. Senator hours before the deadly riot at the capitol on january 6th, asking the lawmaker to stop congress from certifying the vote. Senator tuberville need you, our republican friends, to try to just slow it down so we can get these legislators to get more information. John eastman. Reporter cnn learned Coconspirator Two is lawyer john eastman, the architect of a plot to have then Vice President mike pence block the certification. All we are demanding of Vice President pence is this afternoon at 1 00, he let the legislators of the state look into this. Reporter prosecutors point to a memo cnn has confirmed was authored by eastman, arguing that pence had that authority, even though most legal experts disagree. Did the Trump Legal Team ask you to prepare memorandum regarding the Vice President s role in the counting of Electoral Votes during a session of congress on january 6, 2021 . The third is sidney powell, a prominent pedaler of false claims. We have evidence of different numbers of votes being injected into the system. Reporter the indictment cites a lawsuit that powell based in part on false claims that georgia poll workers tipped the scales for biden. The fourth coconspirator hey, mr. Clark. Yes . How are you, good morning . Reporter former Justice Department official jeffrey clark, tapped by trump in the final days of his presidency to help keep him in office, later becoming a focus of investigators who even searched his home. The indictment referring to an Email A Top Justice official sent to Clark Rebutting Clarks attempting to use the Justice Department to overturn the election. Coconspirator five is kenneth chez bro. Among other things, the indictment references an email memo that Coconspirator Five spent to giuliani about the fake electors plot. Cnn has not been able to identify the sixth coconspirator, described as a political consultant who helped implement a plan to submit fraudulent slates of president ial electors to obstruct the certification proceeding. Back with us, paula reid. Do you know if any of these people could be charged in the future . Its certainly possible, anderson. While it remains up to a jury whether the former president s conduct was illegal, its clear, its a fact, that he did not engage in this conduct alone. And its a strategic choice to only charge former President Trump here. And we know that additional witnesses are coming in, and some of those witnesses could be able to provide very helpful evidence either in support of or against these coconspirators, like bernie kerik we talked about earlier in the show. So, this investigation continues. It is notable that these people were described and identified as coconspirators. And anderson, it is certainly possible that all of them or some of them may be charged. Thanks so much. Just ahead, an incredible rescue of a Wounded Ukrainian soldier spotted by a drone you see him there which went back and delivered supplies to them and let him know that help was on the way. Mom were having triplets. No, what does that mean . It means yououre gonna need more tide. See . Baby ah. Morere likes . More tide. The more adorable . More tide. Everyones gonna need more tide. Youre gonna need more tide. Its a mess out there. Thats why theres 85 more tide in every power pod. From prom dresses. To workouts. And new adventures. You hope the more you give the less theyll miss. But even if your teen was vaccinated against meningitis in the past. They may be missing vaccination for meningitis b. Although uncommon, up to 1 in 5 survivors of meningitis will have long term consequences. Now as youre thinking about all the vaccines your teen might need, make sure you ask your doctor if your teen is missing meningitis b vaccination. I want to turn to the war in ukraine now. Ukrainian officials today said more than 10,000 civilians have been killed since the war began. That doesnt include those killed in russian occupied areas. While russian officials are claiming advances, russia continues its drone strikes. These images are from damage to a port in the odesa region. In all 37 iranian made drones attacked early this morning, there were no casualties. Our Nick Paton Walsh has stunning images from the front lines. In one case, they used a drone to help save a ukrainian soldiers life. Reporter it is usually only the dead lying here in the craters of ukraines southern front. But sometimes a glimpse of life shines. This drone spotting a ukrainian soldier separated from his unit, wounded in the chest and leg by shelling. He filmed this, as he lay alone bleeding. He feared whatever fight to live he put up would not be enough, he later told cnn from his hospital bed. Translator i was ready to fight for my life, and i did, even lying there under the blazing sun. I realized i was too close to the russians, and you even start to look at your gun in a differen t someone behind in field. Probably only several miles away, it was uglier. Here is ukrainian assault by the 15th National Guard on a russian position. It is ferocious and eventually forced a dozen Russian Troops to pull back. Artillery that injured the russian commander badly and the russians left him behind, presuming he was dead. But this Video Supplied by Ukrainian Forces shows they found him alive. And he received medical treatment. Were not naming him for his safety, but he was later awarded a posthumous medal, according to Russian Media reports. Left behind and declared dead by his comrades. The ukrainians who found him say he may have wished he didnt survive. We said dont try anything or youll die, and he asked us to shoot him. We offered him a chance to do it himself, but he said he could not do that. He is an my, and i had no real desire to save him, but orders are orders, and they have our guys, and we can swap prisoners. As a human, another says i was shocked that they had left him behind. But as a soldier, i know my enemy, and i know its not an uncommon practice for them. The opposite fates on different sides in these wide ugly expanses of violence. Nick joins us now. What an extraordinary human story from different Vantage Points on the battlefield. The idea that drone would spot that soldier and be able to bring him supplies. Thats an incredible report. I think its a reflection of the ingenuity we see frankly from the ukrainians using something frankly which you could fit up in your own garage and pull together to drop medicine and it was interesting to hear from the soldier who survived, said an extraordinary sense of his fortune being found, being rescued, and medicine seems to have picked him up enough, given him enough energy to get himself back. And also too, reflecting his power to not immediately run back to the front lines, but still if called upon to come back to the fight partially. And also too, anderson, the fate of the russian commander, sadly another reflection too of how russia appears to value the lives of their own forces. Yes, we do know they may have presumed him to be killed because of the heavy artillery strikes on that trench. But the speed, frankly, in which he was simply written off and presumed to have passed. And then given a posthumous medal, a reflection of the different value of human life by moscow. Nick paton walsh, thank you. A quick programing note. The family of travis king that crossed to north korea is speaking out tonight. Theyll join laura coates at ymn 10 00 p. M. Eastern. Next ford ping us, we reme next ford ping us, we reme friend, a member of our cnn family. Please dont go please e dont go. Pleasase dont go please dont go dont goooooo dont go away get a free storage upgrade when you preorder at at t. Please dont go check. Psych and im about to steal this game from you just like i stole kelly carter in high school. You got no game dude, thats a foul and now youre ready to settle the score. Game over. 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Melissa and others set up a kind of fancy area for dinner here at work. You see it there. They call it chalissas, with candlelight and sparkling apple cider that kind of looks like real wine. There was another thing about melissa that so many people here will never forget, and that was her laugh. It was infectious. You can just see in that picture. You can imagine it. You can hear her laugh echo through halls at work and in the control room. And believe me, there is a lot of pressure in this job, but that laugh, melissa could help put things in perspective. Thank you, melissa, for your laugh and for your creativity, and for your kindness. Our hearts go out to melissas mom regina, her brother john and jennifer her sister, her sisterinlaw as well, and all her nieces and nephews. Their hearts are broken tonight, and we send them our love, and we send melissa our love as well. Melissa elkis was 52 years old. Thats it for us. The news continues. The source for Kaitlan Collins starts now. Tonight, straight from the source, my exclusive interview with former trump Attorney General bill bar. His first reaction to the prosecution of the former president for charges that he tried to