continues with "ac 360." for the first time in this country's history, a former president of the united states has been charged with felonies allegedly committed while he was president. i'm anderson cooper here in new york along with jake tapper. >> anderson, the indictment charges former president trump with four things, one that is anti-t anti-thetical. >> despite having lost the defendant, donald trump, was determined to remain in power, unquote. >> we learned of the indictment in the 5:00 hour today. shortly after 6 special counsel jack smith made a statement. here it is in full. >> good evening. fod an indictment was unsealed charging donald j. trump with conspiring to defraud the united states, conspiring to disenfranchise voters and extending and from disrupting the scene. it sets forth the crimes charged in detail. i encourage everyone to read it in full. the attack on our nation's capitol on january 6th, 2021, was an unprecedented situation. it was filed in the indictment fueled by lies, lies by the defendant targeted at obstructing a bedrock function of the u.s. government, the nation's process of collecting, counting and certifying the results of the presidential election. . the men and women of law enforcement who defended the u.s. capitol on january 6th are heroes. they are patriots and the very best of us. they did not just defend a buildings or the people sheltering in it, they put their lives on the line to defend who we are as a country and as a people. they defended the very institutions and principles that define the united states. since the attack on our capitol, the department of justice has remained committed to ensuring co counter ability. this was brought consistent with that and our investigation of other individuals continues. in this case, my office will seek a speedy trial so that our evidence can be tested in court and judged by a jury of citizens. in the meantime, i must emphasize that the indictment is only an allegation and that the defendant must be presumed innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable dot in a court of law. i would like to thank the members of the fbi as well as the career prosecutors and law enforcement agents from around the country who have worked on previous january 6th allegations. it is a privilege to work alongside them. thank you. >> a short time later camera crews caught up with the attorney general merrick garland in philadelphia and he had these brief remarks. >> jack smith, special council to take on the -- mr. smith and his team of principal leaders will follow the law. any questions about the matter will have to be answered by the filings made in the courtroom. >> the form er and paula reid ad evan peres is there. >> what's the reaction from the former president and his allies? >> of course they were not worried about this. they were bracing for this. they were waiting to see what the charges were. former president trump was saying he was the one who was indicted there. they didn't say his names or initials. he was lashing out about it. it took quite some time clearly as we've seen how this has played out. his campaign is referring to the nazi holocaust and referring to the 1930s. that's a comparison they made before the indictment came down. the reality is he is facing his second set of charges. he is very clearly going to tie it back to the campaign. another defense he is going to make is he is listening to the advice of the attorneys. they are referenced here as unnamed but listed co-con spiritors in this case. that is one thing that the allies are wondering. why they were named in the indictment they were not done so yet. we've talked to many of them. they have not received target letters yet for the most part. that's a question his own legal team is asked tonight given the allegations in this indictment. >> paula, in terms of the indictment, what was expected? what was unexpected? >> anderson, the charges we're seeing were very much expected based on the former president indicated was in the target letter. conspiring to defraud the united states and civil rights charge which was not a surprise. what was a surprise is the fact that under his name there's about 6 inches and it's blank. the fact that no one else was charged. they listed six-co-con spiritors. lastly, there's not a lot of new information here. this has been this issue this day, the leadup up to january 6th has been exhaustively investigated. not a lot of new details. you had a pretty or shocking story. this indictment, it's pretty difficult if you are not an attorney to really follow the entire conspiracy. not clear if it's going to break through to regular voters. >> evan, it is -- the former president -- how many people in the former president's orbit explained to him why whaet he ws saying was a lie and factually incorrect. no one reading this document of the people all around the former president from his own attorneys, the department of homeland security's leader. the vice president, all of these people explained to him yet he still moves over. >> right. exactly, anderson. that's part of the focus of what jack smith and the prosecution are trying to portray to prove. despite the fact the former president has a right -- or he had a right to challenge, he has a right to lie, right? to say there was a fraud. he has all of those rights. what he doesn't have a right to is to concoct the united states to have this conspiracy to try to deprive the citizens of their right to have their vote counted. so that's what they go through in chapter and verse. what prosecutors draw a picture of, someone being told by his vice president, by the homeland sec security, all of whom were responsible for securing the election. he picked them. he chose. they were italian satellites or venezuela or china. so that's how prosecutors are trying to draw the picture even if he's claiming to this day, he's absolutely lying. when he was concocting these changes. >> do you have any sense of how that will play out, what he'll be doing in the meantime? will he actually go? >> i think that's the big question. we don't know the logistics. we've soon a trial when it was in miami. we'll ask john loro who is a new attorney who has been added to the race in the next few weeks. they will be handling this case now that it has been actual charges. i think it's a question of what thursday already looks like. i will note what's different here is that the indictment was unsealed almost immediately. you could open it up and see what was laid out. you and i were on air when he told us about the indictment and the documents investigation. there was a vacuum where we had not seen it yet. you can read in this and that's what people are encouraged to do. >> paula, you mentioned the co-conspirators but not actually charged yet. he said the investigation continues. is it clear to you what areas he's still looking into? >> well, we know from our reporting that they have looked into fundraising. campaign finance violations and statements and claims they knew were not charged. it's unclear if it will be. the special counsel will be speaking to several new witnesses over the next few weeks. it includes the former police commissioner who worked closely with rudy giuliani. we also know of one former trump attorney is going to go in and speak with investigators. these are not grand jury appearances, these are interviews with prosecutors. it's clear they're gathering evidence. not just him saying, yeah, we're going to investigate. firn any of those co-con s spiritors. we have andrew mccape as well as abby phillip and dana bash and senior chief legal analyst laura coates. let's talk about some of what's in this indictment. what is being alleged is nothing short of a criminal conspiracy. we heard from liz cheney about the degree to which this was not just happen stance and not just chaos, it was a concerted effort with many conspiricists coming up with various ways to try to overturn the results of a free and fair election. >> from state to state to state, from pennsylvania and beyond. the climax of course is what the former president did with his then vice president. yes, you're absolutely right. the january 6th committee plowed a lot of this ground for the special much investigator and mike pence. he did speak to the special counsel are in and about, what happened between donald trump and mike pence. in conversation after conversation including a christmas call saying, mike, you've got to do this pushing the vais president -- the then vice president to overturn the election and it said some of the quotes in here were from mike pence's contemporaneous notes that he took at the time. it's really, really stunning. then it turns the corner to the then president not having the sway with mike pence in private and taking it public, and we all know what happened then. just how dense this indictment is. they're really methodically going through point by point, date by date. what struck out to me, truin georgia the votes were not being brought in from nowhere, his own chief of staff that a specific claim about georgia voegts and then the very next day he goes out and amplifies or spreads those false claims or in some cases very shortly after something was told to people, trump or his co-conspirators, rudy giuliani who's sort of unnamed as a co-con spirit who are here and calls state lawmakers and says, i need you to do this. i need you to cast more doubt on the election results. and detailing not just words, what we are always hearing from trump's lawyers, he wasn't using his remarkable. what the speed does -- he was told and then he went out and did things. he's done things that are alleged violations. >> one of the things we should note, he did not could om perfect rate with the january 6th committee. he did sell a book in which he will get his version of this pence issued a statement. he said today'indictment serves as an important reminder, anyone who puts themselves. our conson is more important than any one man's career. i chose the constitution and i always will. the we'll note that mike pence might not even make the debate in august. his statement is accurate. i mean, this is not a matter of opinion. the first part is but the idea that the constitution is supposed to be more important than any one man's career, that is empirically clear. >> that's true. clearly political points. he shouldn't be the party's nominee and run for presidency again. >> right. >> what we're seeing across the board is the republican talking points. there's always a phrase you hear, this time two-tiered justice system. he didn't talk about the indictment, he talked about hunter biden. we'll see that over and over and over again. one of the things i found striking, this is, as january said, with the january 6th committee laid out. he did not go broad. these are things he thinks he can get a conviction but donald trump is front and center from the very first page. just the way it's here. he is the boss of this. he's the one in charge. >> let's talk about one of those co of con spiritor, 4, yes, jeffrey clark, is the individual who we're alleged trump had told him he would be acting attorney general and he's identified as attorney general clark. let meust read frothis. on january 2nd, , four days after the proceeding, jeffrey clark tried torce the acting attorney general and acting deputy attorney general, richard clark's draft letter which contained false statements to state official alzheimer's. he told them that the president -- that donald trump was considering making him, clark, the new acting attorney general if they would agree to send the proposed letter to the targeted states but they refused. that is an allegation of a criminal act. r to commit fraud against the united states. >> indeed, it is as part of the factual predicate, as they say, behind all of this. sometimes cases come down to one question, why? why did you engage in all of this behavior? conspiracy, you talk about that phrase, the meeting of the mind. a conspiracy at a core asks the jurors to understand the why? what was the purpose? why did you agree? the purpose of the conspiracy was to overturn the legitimate rejections. why would they go along. there is a bit of a carrot at the end of the stick. if i buy into this i have skin in the game. part of the reason you're not seeing the charges is here is a first amendment defense. you have every right to at times even lie, if the purpose was to answer the why. every co-con spiritor that was named or unnamed at the moment is going to go back in that continued thread. why? why are you part of this? he now in terms of allegation becomes increasingly clear that he had some benefit of that bargain. >> what's interesting also about this, andy mccabe, former deputy white house -- deputy fbi director is the allegation of the fake electors. the idea this is not an organic protest. i feel like i support trump and, therefore, i'm going to pretend to be an elector. that it was organized. and it talks about how trump, this is on page 5 of the indictment, how trump and the co-con spiritorsized these slates. they didn't spontaneously happen. they organized the they said that the strategy, quote, includeusing the fraudulent electors to meet when they were to gather and cast their votes,ast fraudulent votes for trump, sign certificatesalsely representing that they were legitimate electors and then it says some of these fake electors, i'm just quoting here, were tricked into participating based on the understanding that their votes would be used only if trump succeeded in the lawsuits within their state which he never did. so this is not only -- i mean as always with donald trump, he is often committing these offenses against the american people but against his own supporters. >> that's right. that's why the election or the elector scheme is so fascinating. there are so many specific tangible acts that took place in the course of that scheme. didn't rely specifically on coercive phone calls. they started with, if you believe the allegations, a legal theory, right, which evolved into an overt plan -- >> we're having issues with your microphone. let's keep talking about this, dana bash. the idea of the fake electors is fascinating because it's beyond just rudy giuliani going out and lying which we saw a whole lot of or donald trump on twitter or wherever going on and lying. it is lying to specific groups of people in order to have the conspiracy succeed, lying to legislators, lying to fake electors and trying to get all of the stage set so that either vice president pence or some legislator, some member of congress could object and say, hey, you have these fake electors here. we need to send this back to the states. >> it is stunning especially with a group of people that didn't necessarily seem like they could get it together to, you know, find evidence or to get a scheme together that was this elaborate, but they certainly did. they tried to the way this is described in state after state after state. the slate of fake electors is one of the things i agree with you that is the most troubling for the basics of democracy, not only because they lied to the people who they were talking to and they thought this would only happen if they won in court but also because this was an early move to get to the point where they hoped they could convince, going back to mike pence, him to throw out the real slates of electors and put in these fake elect organization and therefore keeping trump in the white house. >> why is it, do you think jamie, that the only legal action we've seen against these fake electors has been as of now in michigan, the michigan attorney general nestle, she has brought charges, but there were fake electors in arizona, georgia, michigan, pennsylvania, like why haven't we seen the attorneys generals in those states doing the same thing? although fannie willis in georgia may well do so in her atlanta legislation. >> i would stress the words as of now. >> right. >> we are beginning to hear that other investigations have picked up. we've heard that in arizona the attorney general there has now started an investigation. so i think we will see more of those. and those can be very important because if there are charges against donald trump in a state, if you can connect donald trump and he becomes president again, he cannot pardon himself if he is convicted in a state case as opposed to a federal case. >> andy, i'm told your microphone is working. the point you were making about the depths of the conspiracy and how much is in this document. let me take a step back. now having read this 45 page document, what are your impressions? >> it's vast. it's detailed. clearly took a strong roadmap from the january 6th committee. a lot of the things we're reading here have heard in the hearings and read in the report. there are a couple of things that have jumped out to me. a lot of talk about mark meadows and what his role may have been as a cooperating witness in the course of the investigation. he is very clearly referred to in the document as the defendant's chief of staff, so not referred to as a co-con spiritor. that lends a lot of credence to the theory he is working with, cooperating with, providing significant information to jack smith and his team. >> yeah. just to interject for one second. there's a part where he is -- mark meadows, i think, is in georgia and he texts donald trump, i'm misquoting because i don't have it right in front of me, paraphrasing here, something here is everything here is air tight. the georgia officials know what they're doing. that could only have come from donald trump or mark meadows. >> that's exactly right. >> let me throw it back to anderson. >> joining us now is van jones. jessica roth and cnn senior legal analyst ellie hoenig. melissa and david have worked for the former president. i want to start with my two attorneys over here. ellie, you have had time to absorb this. it can be hard to wade through but it's fascinating. >> we have been referring to this as january 6th. the january 6th case. the january 6th indictment. this indictment is largely not about the actual events of january 6th, 2021. it's a last chapter, maybe a footnote. really what this indictment is focused on is the fraud scheme that predated this over the prior months and weeks leading up to january 6th. this is a master work prosecutorially. i've read countless indictments. this is remarkably persuasive. what they're getting across is there is such thing as the truth, knowing what the truth is and there is such thing as knowing you are telling a lie. you can only bury your head in the sand and that's crucial. that's going to donald trump's intent and this is going to swing on that. >> jessica? >> the indictment commits to the proposition that donald trump knew that he was telling lies but it goes on to say even if a person thinks they have won an election, there are lawful means available to them to pursue that theory. they can ask for a recount. they can contest the election in court. >> all of which he did. >> they were counted in the indictment. >> he has the right to tell lies. >> absolutely. what they can't do is take action to subvert the election. they can talk about it. when you actually translate those lies into action such as creating false slates of electors which is what the conspiracy did in part and taking action to actually substitute those slates of electors for the true slates of electors in congress and in addition pressure the vice president and members of congress to accept the false electors, you've gone into a whole different realm beyond your speech. that's powerfully conveyed. >> it documents very much the role that the vice president, mike pence played, the pressure he was under. the pressure he was put under and his pushing back on it. you know, it talks about january 1st, called the vice president and berated him. the vice president opposed it and said you're too honest which is incredible. >> and there's a time line of communications between the former president and former vice president leading up to and on january 6th that puts you in that moment between the two of them and the incredible pressure that was being brought to bear and the indictment draws the connection between the violence of the mob and what transpired and the lead up to it and it actually says that essentially that trump and his co-conspirators exploited that violence to increase the pressure. >> in paragraph 9 the 4, page 35, also on january 4th when co-con spiritor 2 which is attorney eastman acknowledged the defendant's senior adviser that no court would support it, senior adviser told co-con spiritor two, you're going to cause violence in the streets and they say -- >> it goes to the intent. it shows they knew what they were doing was dishonest, wrong, illegal and dangerous. one thing that's important to jessica's point. it's clear mike pence is a witness. it's clear doj has assessed his testimony. decided he is credible. you wouldn't have the testimony laid out in the indictment if you were not going to rely on it. we're going to have a scenario where donald trump's own former vice president will be testifying against him. >> you were reading this. does it come back and ring true? >> it does. there's another detail that talks about co-conspirator 3 talking to pat philbin who we know spoke to the grand jury and he tells them point blank, donald trump will be leaving office on january 20th. he responds saying, that's what the insurrection act is for. that is terrifying. i worked at the department of defense. if the acting secretary of defense had ordered active duty military to be deployed to quell protests, i think the entirety of the joint chiefs of staff would have resigned before they let that happen. we are talking about democracy on the brink as you read through this indictment. nothing about this makes me happy. it's actually quite scary. it shows how close we got. by the way, he's the gop front-runner and nothing to say he wouldn't do it again or worse if he's in office. >> i want be to read what conservative retired judge ludig put out. he said highly respected, conservative jurists. these are as grave of offenses as a president could commit save possibly treason. he's neither a victim nor a martyr today. >> yeah, look. yet still he's -- as she eluded to, he's still a front-runner. "the new york times" had a poll out that shows him tied with the current president in the race. so what is it about trump that america's missing, right? listen, there are lots of good people i know in america that believe the 2020 election was stolen. they're otherwise rational, normal people. if you asked them what happened in the election, stolen. it's not just because donald trump said so. there's something going on in america that we need to get used to. we have to figure out what's eating america and causing all of this. trump may be a symptom of it. i think it's worth talking about. interestingly, alyssa worked for the chief of staff to the president. he's not mentioned in this document at all. >> well, he is actually -- >> he calls the secret service to say that mike pence is in danger. >> put your guy in some danger. >> it also brings us to georgia because he is actually mentioned in this indictment early on as telling the president because mark meadows, who has been kind of a shadow figure and is trying to disappear from public view, he did go down to georgia and he reported back to the president that georgia election officials there were doing his job dutifully. he ignored that putting out a tweet saying it was shameful. >> this reads like a diary entry as you go page to page. you could feel there was a coordinated effort of stoke the fire, send a couple of officials down there to create faux meetings and proper status to these rumors. all of a sudden, next thing you know, that's how you trick the republican base. i come as a political pundant. i'm embarrassed as a lifelong republicans. he's the head of my party. he's the head of the conservative future of the party. he's forfeited the right. it's our job to prove to people, good people, that we have conservatism and not -- >> it's embarrassing they're clutching his hand -- >> i don't know if it's the party of ronald regan anymore. this is the party of donald trump. he's reshaped the republican party in his own image. >> they have willingly leapt -- they had the opportunity after january 6, man, to disassociate themselves and out of fear, they went with him. >> count number four. conspiracy against rights. what rights? what rights? the right to vote. the right to vote and have your vote count in this country. that's what this whole thing is about. and somebody stood up for that. we stand in very long lines in my community, by the way, to vote. we shed blood in this country to vote. somebody tried to take that away, just take it away, because he didn't want to lead office. somebody finally stood up to him and said, any fifth grade class knows you can't cheat, lie, bully, get your way. what applies to the fifth grade applies to the oval office. i'm proud much jack smith, the election workers in this country who have been bullied and tortured stood up today. >> if this had occurred and they appeared on tv with little epilets on them -- >> it's a coup. >> -- the american people would have been, this is hype they the particular. that's who they are. i encourage people to read the january 6th committee. it was long and a whole bunch. if you want to argue with your best friend, uncle, read this. next how the former president's former republicans are reacting. one asa hutchinson joins us. a former member of the house select committee jamie raskin as our breaking news continues on this historic and sad night. ggl] ♪ jitterbug! ♪ [ giggles loudly ] [ tapping ] ♪ you put the boom-boom into my heart ♪ intuitive sit-to-start in the all-electric id.4. it's the little things, it's a vw. ♪ "please don't go" by harry casey, richard raymond finch ♪ (sfx: ping) ( ♪ ) ♪ please don't go ♪ ♪ please don't go... ♪ ♪ please don't go ♪ ♪ please don't go ♪ ♪ don't goooooo! ♪ ( ♪ ) ♪ don't go away ♪ get a free storage upgrade when you pre-order at t-mobile. ♪ please don't go ♪ our ears connect us to the moments that matter. give them the nutrients they need with lipo. it's formulated with ingredients clinically shown to protect your ears from dizziness, ear ringing, and even hearing loss. never miss a moment with lipo flavonoid. you tried. limiting when it was okay. no tech behind closed doors. but social media's algorithms of addiction always won out. it's not your fault. alone you can't stop it. together, we will. we have a plan. join us. 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>> it's similar to the reaction he gave on the 7th when he made comments about anyone who puts himself above the constitution should not be serving in the role of the united states. >> one thing we learned in this indictment when it was new, pence had these contemporaneous notes from a meeting with trump on january 4th. he had asked pat cipollone to deliberately not attend. did pence usually take notes? why defiel the need to take notes after that meeting? >> i think he took some notes. it was specific to that meeting. they were subpoenaed by the special counsel. it was part of the testimony that he gave, but i think that, you know, that particular meeting was obviously incredibly important because it was in that meeting that the president was more or less asking the vice president to throw out the electors. and then subsequently there came a strategy to say, well, how about we just return them to the state. >> neither of which were possible. >> no, neither of which in 250 years of our republic nor would any republican want kamala harris to have that authority in 2024. even for many of us who had concerns initially in 2020 do believe some of the state laws were changed inappropriately, there was no evidence that any of that fraud would have overturned the results of any of the states. >> that's a state decision. >> it is a state decision. that's important. >> did he hand the notes over to jack smith? did he quote them -- >> i don't know. you would have to ask mike or his team? >> did he comply with a subpoena? >> i think he complied with a subpoena. >> the day of the january 6th riot, trump refused a request to withdraw the certification election objections. we did not know that pat cipollone had asked that. i didn't know. as you probably are aware on january 6th, we didn't have much direct communication with the white house. once the riots began, the vice president was in the basement, the loading dock, and he was working with general millito make sure the national guard was deployed. he was working with senators mcconnell, schumer, pelosi and others to make sure everybody was safe. he met with the police chief to make sure the building was secure. our focus wasn't what was happening on the other ends of pennsylvania avenue, it was securing the capitol. >> there was a question whether you could get back on the white house grounds because there was so much anger at your direction coming from the west wing. >> you know, actually, when that night ended at 5 a.m. i went back to the white house, went back into my office. there was plenty of stories that i had had my credentials taken away because of the counsel i had provided to the vice president. >> which is he could not legally do what he could not do. >> they were making the argument after this indictment came out this is a free speech issue. trump had the right to contest the results of the election. as somebody who was there on january 6th, what do you say when you hear that? >> to me it's a tremendous shift in the argument. for a long time it was the election was stolen and mike pence had the authority to overturn it. now the premise is all politicians lie and this was a misrepresentation, i'm not a lawyer, i don't know the criminality of that. it's a big shift and let's accept what the president was telling the american people was faulgs and what mike pence did was right. >> the question is, do they argue that in court? thank you for joining us. >> thank you. >> obviously he was there on january 6th. someone who is as close to this as the former vice president mike pence was himself as you look through the indictment. >> yes. that was a rough day for the pence team, no date. thanks so much. throughout the evening we have been getting reaction to the indictment from trump's various rivals for the republican nomination. for president we just heard former vice president pence's statement. ron desantis criticizewhat he is calling the weaponization of government. while i've seen reports, i have not read the indictment. i do believe we need to enact reforms so americans have the right to remove cases from washington d.c. to their home districts not really addressing the allegations in the charges themselves. the indictment is called unamerican. will herd says trump is, quote, driven by an attempt to stay out of prison and scam his supporters into footing his legal bills, unquote. i'm joined now by another republican, presidential candidate asa hutchinson. broad view now, what is your reaction to today's indictment? and what do you think of the specific charges against donald trump? >> it's another sad day for america when a former president is indicted, particularly dealing with the lawful transfer of power from one administration to another administration. that's the hallmark of our democracy. the world looks on us as amazing that we can do this. this goes to the heart of our democracy, the heart of what it means to be an american that we can peacefully transfer power from one administration to the next. it's a very sad day for us. obviously the most serious charges that is imaginable. what strikes me, jake, is that the voters that donald trump has misled. the indictment talks about that he knew that he had not won the election but he continued to propagate the idea he had and he misled the voters and continues to do that today. >> also says some of the fake electors had been misled. the conspiracy which involved donald trump and six others, some of the people who were the bogus electors had told the slates were only going to be refiled was if donald trump won in that specific state and that wasn't true. once again we have trump supporters being victimized by these lies. >> well, that's right. and there's two impacts to this indictment. obviously the first one is that it's a very serious criminal charge that donald trump has to face. the most serious issue to a democracy, but then secondly from a political standpoint, his relationship with his supporters has been so rock solid and yet this undermines it because clearly he has misled them all along to his own benefit and to his own ego. so that very well could have a political impact as well as the criminal case as it proceeds. >> it hasn't yet though, has it? i mean, all the polling that we've seen up until before this indictment came out suggests that donald trump's hold on the republican party and perhaps even more importantly the lies that he's told about the election are now disregarded as party dogma by republicans. why do you think that is? >> well, because they believed a trusted leader. that is the bottom line on it, and he developed that trust relationship with him, and that continues to today. we'll see if this disrupts that. i'm here in new hampshire, just had a great barbecue and with scott brown and had many people there, and i read my statement to them. they didn't really ask a whole lot of questions about donald trump. we did have many people there that understand we need to have a new direction in our country, and so there's a division among the republican party right now, and our job as candidates is to grow the idea that we ought to have new leadership in our country. that's why i'm engaged in this and fighting to get on the debate schedule, the debate stage next month. >> scott brown, we should note, the former republican senator from massachusetts who also owns property up there in new hampshire. trump was the only person indicted today, but the indictment specifically names six co-conspirators who we've identified five of, rudy giuliani, john eastman, sidney powell, jeffrey clark and kenneth chessboro. why do you think none of them were indicted today? what do you think is going on there? you're a former prosecutor. >> well, as a former united states attorney, it seems to me that he's going to give those other co-conspirators an opportunity to cooperate, to make agreements with the special prosecutor, and they could line up some very significant testimony to support the case, and so i think he was balancing needing because of the urgency of the matter to get the first indictment done against donald trump and then as you can see what happened in the florida case, he's either going to indict additional defendants in this case or there's going to be deals with cooperation where they'll be testifying against donald trump in this case. >> all right, governor asa hutchinson in new hampshire, thanks very much. i'm joined by jamie raskin of maryland, former house of the select committee investigating january 6th. congressman raskin, given all the work that you and your committee put in and sent a criminal referral on the matter to the department of justice, are you satisfied with this indictment? >> well, sure, it's a powerful vindication of the rule of law in democracy, anderson, and, you know, the counts closely track what we had recommended to the department of justice. there's a lot of overlap there, but i was especially impressed by the count about how this was a massive violation of the voting rights of the people, and this is, you know, precisely what abraham lincoln said about the problem with insurrections and coups, it's an attempt to steal from the people their right to choose their own leaders, and that's what this was, and we've got people spending a year or more, several years in jail for casting one additional vote. as voter fraud what's the proper punishment for someone trying to steal an entire presidential election from the people? >> a lot of the details about the president being told then president being told by the people around him that what he was saying was false and just simply factually incorrect are certainly borne out in the indictment in great detail. it's very hard to read this indictment and all the people and all the organizations that told the president at the time in realtime his statements were false that anybody could believe he actually believed he had won the election. >> well, you'll recall that attorney general william barr, who was nothing, if not trump's sycophant for several year, told him that his claims and his alleged facts were b.s. the white house counsel told him there was nothing there. all of the serious lawyers in his inner circle told him there was nothing there, which is why he reached to the outlandish circle of, you know, the bar scene from "star wars" to advise him to go ahead with what it was he just wanted to do. he clearly knew that he had lost the election and had made several statements to that effect. one of the new facts that appears in this indictment that we didn't have that does not appear in the january 6th select committee report is trump saying directly to pence, you're too honest which jumped out at me as a statement that probably came from mike pence. i don't though where it came from, but if he did say that to him undoubtedly it was something pence heard but trump obviously ope operates on lies, and, in fact, even the people who defend him don't say that he operates based on the truth. they just say all the politicians do it, because trump has basically lowered everybody's sense of what is expected from politicians in the country. >> yeah, jack smith's team actually, clearly had access to contemptuous notes that vice president pence kept which your committee did not. are you surprised no one else was indicted among these other co-conspirators. asa hutchinson was just on saying as a former state's attorney he thinks not naming anyone, not actually bringing charges against any of these co-conspirators is basically an opportunity for one of them to or some of them to make a deal. >> sure, there might be strategic dimensions into the staging, the sequencing of different prosecutions. the sole prosecution of donald trump i think properly lays responsibility where it belongs, none of this would have happened without donald trump, i mean, remember that he was the one that pushed the idea that january 6th could be a moment for stealing the election away from the rightful victor. when the -- most of the right wing demonstrators were focused on january the 20th and having just a counterprotest at biden's inauguration, but trump got them to shift everything over to january 6th saying in essence this wasn't over, be there, will be wild, all of this flowed out of his determination to guetapens to step outside of his constitutional role and to declare unilateral powers to nullify the election and to hand it over to trump. >> congressman jamie raskin, i appreciate your time. thank you. our special coverage continues in a moment and we'll be joined by one of the former president's attorneys who joined the legal team ahead of this indictment. rude. who are you? 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