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We are live at the courthouse following every detail. An alleged Serial Killer in court. Just one hour from now the man accused of the Gilgo Beach Murders makes his second court appearance. He is charged now in three killings. The suspect in a fourth. Now his wife is telling cnn about the Police Search for evidence. And moscow under attack. A second drone strike there in as many days. More on ukraines apparent strategy as it unleashes on russian soil. We are following these major developing stories and many more, all coming in right here to Cnn News Central. This is a live look outside of the federal courthouse here in washington, d. C. , where the grand jury is convening right now in the Special Counsels investigation of efforts to overturn the 2020 election. Donald trump and his legal team now face the very real possibility that an indictment is about to drop. The former president himself predicting on his truth social account that charges could come any day now. And we are just learning new details on how trump and his advisers are preparing, including how they plan to publicly respond. And as that indictment looms we are learning about new Key Developments in the maralago classified documents case. In a court filing monday the Special Counsels team said they have obtained new Surveillance Footage connected to the new charges against trump and his two codefendants, Aide Walt Nauta and carlos de oliveira, who is maralagos property manager. De oliveira made his First Court Appearance yesterday and was released on a 100,000 bond. Lets begin, though, live with our coverage with the very latest on this grand jury meeting happening right now in washington. We have Cnns Katelyn Polantz outside the federal courthouse. What are you seeing there, katelyn . Reporter well, brianna, the grand jury is in. The prosecutors are very likely here in this building working with them from the Special Counsels office. They broke for lunch. They had lunch. And theyre back at work in that secret proceeding. Now, this grand jury, we are watching so closely because they have had quite a bit of momentum over the past couple weeks. Donald trump received that Target Letter saying he was very likely to be indicted by the Special Counsel investigation around the 2020 election, and since then his lawyers had a meeting with Special Counsel jack smith and then the grand jury has been back last thursday and then again today. We dont know exactly what theyre doing inside that room. But at some point in time the Justice Department is very likely to present to the grand jurors the proposed indictment, the proposed charges they have after collecting all of that evidence through the grand jury proceeding and asking the grand jurors to potentially approve charges against donald trump and perhaps even others he was working with after the 2020 election when he wanted to block the transfer of power to joe biden and maintain the presidency for himself both in Battleground States and in congress as congress was meeting for the electoral college. So a lot to watch here. But we just wont be seeing much at all until theyre ready. And when theyre ready, we are watching a magistrate judge, that courtroom. We are also watching other judges in the building to see if a case would emerge publicly and then we would have charges to look at. And brianna, we dont though exactly what those charges would be, but they do appear they could be quite substantial around conspiracy, obstruction, deprivation of rights, major accusations to make against donald trump from when he was in the presidency. And we also are waiting to see exactly what details would be in a potential indictment and of course when it will be public. Brianna . Yeah. And we are waiting for that. The Special Counsel is now saying it has new Surveillance Footage from the maralago from maralago thats linked to the new Obstruction Charges filed last week against trump and two codefendants in the documents case. What more can you tell us about it . Reporter right, brianna, so this is a substantial case about donald trump after he leaves the presidency in florida at maralago, accused of retaining National Defense secrets and trying to keep them from the federal government, hide them essentially. All of that now the Justice Department is able to turn over evidence that theyve collected. Theyve turned over Surveillance Tapes before. They had lots of Surveillance Tapes from maralago in building that case and just disclosed yesterday that they got even more Surveillance Tapes around this alleged Obstruction Scheme after they indicted donald trump in june. And the purpose of what the Justice Department is finding there is theyre trying to piece together what people who were working for donald trump were doing as they were trying to get rid of essentially Surveillance Tapes that would have captured the movement of boxes inside the maralago resort. So we get this new tidbit from the Justice Department and it is a teaser essentially of what we would be seeing at a trial. Surveillance tapes seem to be the very thing that might be played for a jury when donald trump and his codefendants go to trial and we see things like what the Justice Department is accusing them of, carrying around flashlights, looking at Surveillance Cameras, moving boxes on those tapes and also crawling through bushes. Brianna . Well, that is something. Katelyn polantz live for us here in washington. Thank you. Jim . Another investigation of trump, state investigation, this in georgia, new signs fulton District Attorney fani willis soon could file charges in the Election Interference Probe there. An independent journalist in atlanta now says he received a subpoena to appear before the grand jury there. He discovered a meeting of Fake Trump Electors at the Georgia State capitol in december of 2020. And this just in to cnn, a former Georgia Democratic State Senator has received subpoenas to testify before the grand jury there later this month. Cnns sara murray joins us now. So sara, first tell us about the importance of this journalists testimony specifically and what he witnessed on that day in December 2020. Sure. Well, i mean, george chidi is an independent journalist in atlanta. We interviewed him for a documentary we did about the georgia case, and he sort of stumbled upon the republican fake electors meeting at the Georgia State capitol. He essentially got kicked out of the room where they were meeting. He was told they were meeting about an education matter, which of course was not the case. Hes somebody who already testified before the special grand jury, again, the one that was collecting evidence but that couldnt issue indictments in georgia about what he saw. So hes an important witness for fani willis in regards to her inquiry in the fake elector probe. When you look at jen jordan, who is this former Democratic State senator, shes the one who, again, was a State Senator in December 2020 when Rudy Giuliani and this whole band of trump allies showed up and made a presentation before State Lawmakers that was riddled with conspiracy theories. We know thats another element of this that fani willis has been looking at in her investigation. Again, jen jordan shared what she knew with the special grand jury that was collecting evidence. And shes now gotten a new subpoena to appear before a regular grand jury in august. And jim, these subpoenas are important both to chidi and jen jordan because this is the strongest signal yet that willis is actually going to be seeking indictments. You dont line people up, you dont pull together a grand jury presentation unless you are going to go before a grand jury and ask them to issue an indictment. Again, she hasnt made any announcements about who if anyone could face charges. We expect that to come at some point this month. But this is a very strong signal about where shes headed. Sara murray, thanks so much. Joining me now is former federal prosecutor elliot williams. Elliot, i think for folks at home its often hard to keep track of the number of investigations but also to place them into context. Lets speak about georgia first. So witnesses before the grand jury there testifying, we are told, to a meeting to present fake electors. Georgia voted one way. That then leads to electors representing the actual winner in that state, joe biden. But there was an effort to seek fake electors. Have we ever seen this before . What would be the significance of these charges if the grand jury finds sufficient evidence to indict . Well, to answer your first question, jim, no, we have not seen any of this. The point of a grand jur is its an investigative tool that hears evidence, working with prosecutors to ultimately bring charges against an individual. Now, the specifics of the fake electors scheme, this meeting with this journalist who has been called before the grand jury, its potentially very devastating evidence because, number one, apparently someone in the room lies to this journalist and says were having an Education Meeting when in fact it was a meeting of fake electors. That there, that lying right there is itself evidence of knowledge of criminality. They know theyre doing something wrong and had to lie about it and had to keep that meeting secret. It is quite significant that this individual who witnessed what is going on in there could have testimony. Now, its a little complicated. Hes a journalist. And anytime as you know well, jim, anytime a journalist is asked to come before the criminal Justice System is he going to be asked to give up sources or his notes and that gets a little tricky. But it is potentially quite important evidence. Okay. So what we are looking at today is the possibility of a decision from the Special Counsel about federal charges against the former president and his allies, both in relation to january 6th but also an effort to overturn the results and not just in georgia but in a number of states in the 2020 election. Again, folks at home, theyve heard of a lot of indictments in recent weeks and months. What would be the significance if the federal if the Special Counsel here and the grand jury found sufficient evidence to charge the former president either or perhaps both, over his role on january 6th or an effort to overturn the election . Quite significant. Again, rewind once again. What we were just talking about a second ago was georgia. The state of georgia investigating violations of the law of the state of georgia. What were talking about now in the context of january 6th are federal crimes and potentially crimes such as conspiracy to defraud the United States, potentially conspiracy to interfere with voters and their ability to cast votes. This is under the laws of the United States. This is all significant, jim, because these are all investigations of a former president or any high government official. Its particularly significant because you would now have a second federal indictment. Thats the United States department of justice, having established two grand juries that i talked about a moment ago, that theres at least probable cause to believe that crimes are committed, that they think they can convict him of. So that is enormous significance. We know with cnns reporting that the trump team is already preparing its responses to this. Theyve even said it will be quite similar to their responses to other indictments. And the commonality of those has been that this is a biased investigation, et cetera, et cetera. We do know, however, that republican lawmakers including Georgia Legislators and in other states have been called to testify here. Presumably the evidence well, we know that the evidence we know that the witnesses that have come before this grand jury have spanned the parties. Would the Special Counsel make a special effort here to make sure that the evidence was not confined to one party or the other . You know, perhaps. I think more than anything else in order to get a case past a grand jury you have to establish ill use the term i used a moment ago. Probable cause that a crime has been committed. At least the grand jurys convinced a crime was committed if theyve approved charges. So the idea that its all tainted by politics is sort of undermined by the fact that a grand jury and then ai judge is going to here the case thereafter and sort of wash away some of the stink of politics. And again, more to the point, jim, in order to convict somebody of a crime you then have to get it past a regular jury, whats called a petit jury of just ordinary citizens. There are many checks along the way. I recognize that politicians are going to make arguments that the whole process is tainted. But there are many, many checks built in to ensure that politics does not infect charging decisions. And weve seen the Public Comments of some of those whove been called before this grand jury as well. Elliot williams, thanks so much as always. Much to watch. Brianna . Certainly is. So here in less than an hour we will be watching this. The suspect in the gilgo beach serial killings is going to be in court on long island. This is Rex Heuermanns first appearance since pleading not guilty to the murders of three women. Police believe heuermann committed the killings inside of his familys home when his wife and two children were out of town. And after an intensive search of the property his wifes attorney shared these photos of the aftermath. And hes telling cnn that his client had no idea that all of this was going on in her home. Everything in the house was turned upside down. Dresser drawers were emptied out. The bathroom tub, which was a vinyl tub, was actually cut open. The floors were ripped up. The couches and the mattresses have been removed. And just piles and piles of debris that were left in the residence where you barely had Walking Space to get into the house. Its been extremely overwhelming for her and the children trying to piece life back together, what it was 2 1 2 weeks ago. I dont know if theyre ever going to return to normalcy. Cnns Brynn Gingras is joining us live outside of the courthouse where this is expected to happen here shortly. Brynn, what are you expecting today . So brianna, this is a judges conference. Essentially, were expecting to hear the attorneys discuss matters with this next step, in what will likely be a very long Legal Process for Rex Heuermann. He is expected to appear in court today when this conference hearing gets started at about 2 00. But were not expecting some major headlines. One of the things were keeping an eye out for and certainly one we hope to ask the District Attorney, who is expected to make some comments after this hearing, is whether those new charges are going to be, you know if hes going to face those new charges for that fourth woman whose body was discovered amongst the other victims, the gilgo four as they were notoriously known as. Remember Rex Heuermann is the Prime Suspect in that case. Walk us through these photos released by the family attorney. Yeah. I just actually want to note that Rex Heuermanns attorney did just arrive to court. So again, this hearing is going to get started around 2 00. We are still expecting that. As far as those photos, you can see the amount the intensity really of the Police Investigation that took place inside the heuermann home. Remember, sources are telling cnn they do believe its possible some of those murders happened inside that home. So its really not too surprising that they scoured through every inch of that place looking for any possible evidence that could be tied not only to the murders that heuermann is charged with but ones that are still being investigated, not only here on long island but also in other states as we know it. So it is it was a situation of disarray. The wife of Rex Heuermann, soon to be exwife, telling the New York Post this is her home and this is all she has. And of course upset and unsettl

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