>> good evening everyone. i am alison tamora. they're would come to cnn tonight. lots of news of legal cases. against former president trump. in georgia, fulton county district attorney funny well is investigating the attempts to overturn joe biden's victory, saying that she is making a decision. and in florida, a manager making his appearance in a courtroom today. in order to conceal classified documents. he's charged with conspiracy to obstruct justice, and making false statements to the fbi. as for the last of the gop field, we talked to a strategist who say that ron desantis campaign is in trouble because ron desantis is a very flawed candidate. and the latest biden family knows, president biden acknowledging his seventh grandchild for the first time. >> i have seven grandkids. four of them, or five of them would love to talk on the phone. every day i either text them, or call them. >> we will find out if biden will suffer any repercussions for the delay in acknowledging his daughter. and are donald trump's legal troubles putting a dent in his support? i am sitting down with voters to find out. >> if he is in the middle of a trial at the time that the election, the general election comes up in 2024, or if, let's just say, somehow he has already been convicted. would you still vote for him? their answers in a moment. but let's begin with the 2024 race, donald trump is crushing his competition in the polls, despite his legal problems. the latest new york times poll, of likely republican voters has trump at 54%. his closest challenger, ron desantis, is at a distant 17%. so why is governor ron desantis struggling to make a dent in trump's lead? i will ask a republican strategist who was the head of the political action committee, but now blames the governor for thcampaigns missteps. this might have something to do with it. seems many republican voters are not fansf rodesantis war on woke. only 38% of gop votersould support a candidate who fights private corporations that promote, so-called, woke ideology. 52% want a candidate to stay out of what businesses do, or do not support. ron desantis as you know, has gone to battle with multiple companies. including disney, bud light, norwegian cruise, is u.s. shooter, and big tech. joining me now, former reagan chief political adviser, ed rods, who stepped down from a pro desantis pack, after coming to the conclusion that governor desantis is a quote, very flawed candidate. good to be with you. what makes desantis a flawed? >> despite being a governor, he has strong opinions. but any candidate out in iowa, presidential campaigns are totally different. it's about going out, talking to people. you've got to talk to them instead of going out and preaching the culture to people in iowa. google say something about the school system, are you happy with the school system? what do you want. culture is just not the key thing. the key thing is farming, proper cost of wheat, corn, all of those things. and political people, particularly in places like iowa, new hampshire, they expect you to come out and listen to them. >> did you ever tell him that? did you share your concerns? >> i shared it with some people on staff, i was involved in the super pac, so we can't have coordination, we can't talk, so. and i'm not sure that he's going to listen to what i told him, if it would make any difference. but i think it's him, and everybody who has told me sense. people say i have traveled all the way to israel, he's not said a word, he's just not a natural candidate. unfortunately, i have nothing against him as a governor. we have some great governors that run for president. but i don't think he's the guy who is going to beat trump. and trump at this point, is stronger than he has ever been. >> so desantis, it sounds like you're saying, is not a people person. >> he is not a people person. >> do you think he is open to constructive criticism? >> from everything i hear. he is not. and he makes no moves. controlling the budget is a very important part of a campaign. he raised a lot of money early on, you a third of your staff a week before you're going to announce iowa. you wait a couple of weeks, you spread them out, you do something with them, send them home. but you don't basically, arrive in iowa, i haven't been managing my budget. i have to lay off a third of my people. people say, this is the job that you're running for. it's about management. and a lot of other things. so to me, everything he's kind of done, it's just, he's not a bad guy, he's a good guy with a lot of good guides running from presidency. but you're not gonna beat trump. >> was that the moment that major not want to be involved anymore with the pack? >> it was a big part of it. i had rumblings before that the staff was being blamed and the rest of it. having been a staff person all my life it's a candidate. and the candidates that have done well, in iowa, and new hampshire. people like rival reagan, obama, bill clinton. it's not about how good of governors they were. it's about people. he doesn't relate to people well. >> who do you support now? >> i support the republican nominee. >> anyone? >> well whoever goes to the process. >> even donald trump? because you had previously left working with trump. >> yes, the tragedy of trump's if donald trump would've walked away the day after the election, and basically said, okay. i want to challenge everything. and when i lose the challenge is, if i do, i want to run again. he would be 30 points ahead. the activity since then, to talk about what he did as president. people are out there supporting him. like when he was president. and the reality is, they don't like what he has done of the the next president, that's the issue here. no one has ever, in the historian, or the presidential scholar for the last ten years. at the end of the day, studied every presidency many times and talk to courses. there is never been a presidency like trumps, and there is never been a campaign like this one. >> if not desantis, who do you think a strongest to challenge trump? >> i don't think any are going to challenge trump, the truth matters, -- big of an, our big state, major player for president. but at the end of the day, trump's base is strong, it stays above 50%. equally as important of a campaign, as the four years ago, two years ago. understand it's a delicate process, and what most people understand is that the delegates are not paid. they're picked, most of the states on the republican side is winner take all. so 50% of the vote in california, is all the california delegates. that's more than all of the delegates that we are talking about. so my sense is that that they are running a stronger campaign. they will drop the legal stuff at the end of the day here. that's gonna be a big distraction. how do you break your message through when you have to drive to court every day? >> but essentially this. you've described that he has been the sore loser, and not a good post president. why would you support him as the nominee? >> i'm not a republican. i basically been a republican for 50 years, and i've lost faith. republicans are struggling with their philosophies. but i'm up first wrong national defense, swearing in cobb's, the things that we used to do. and things that were good for the country. >> thank you for having you here. thanks for your perspective. we have a lot to talk about, let's bring in cnn political commentator, navarro, rolling stone columnist, jay michaelson, former candidate, joe pinion, and special watergate prosecutor, john. great to have you here tonight. governor desantis has now responded to ed rowlands criticisms, as well as other, so here is what he just said tonight. >> when i hear about culture war, standing up for the rights of parents? standing up for the well-being of children? that is not some culture war, that is central to the lives of tens of millions of people throughout this country. it is the right thing to do to stand with our kids. it is the right thing to impose indoctrination in the schools. and i totally reject being in iowa, new hampshire that people don't think that those are important. they do think that they are important. >> okay, and your thoughts. he is sticking with the culture wars and his other half? >> of course he's going to stay with it. it's the only thing that he has. he has become a one hit wonder, and that is his one hit. woke, woke, woke, woke, woke. today, he tried to talk about the economy. frankly if he had started with the economy, if he had made the economy his banner issue, he might be in better shape. but, you know, you only get one chance to make a first impression. and he has made it. and he turned himself into this gladiator for culture wars. for wokeness, anti-wokeness, he has created an environment in florida. you live in florida, i live in florida, he created an environment where one ignorant parent can get a book banned. he created an environment where mickey mouse is now a criminal. he created an environment where he is constantly defending standards regarding slavery, that even black republicans are telling him to stop defending. when you are picking a fight with descendants of slaves? like tim scott? and byron donalds? an african american congressman from florida. republican. maybe, just maybe, you're on the wrong path here. >> as one of our other republicans on the panel. do you think that ron desantis is losing steam. do you think that someone else will pick it up? >> i think the issue with governor desantis is always not what you do. it's how you do it. not what you say, how you say it. yes, he is correct that there is a large, robust population of republicans concerned about these cultural issues. but i think what ed is trying to nudge him towards. now that he is no longer with the pact. is the reality facing most americans. that they don't want joe biden to be the president anymore. and they are going to be making a case to republican primary voters, to talk about the deficiencies of that presidency. the economy, you should be talking about the schools that are not teaching our children. you should be talking about the fact that every single day we have a migrant crisis that has gone unchecked. by the administration. we should be talking about, is there an actual doctrine from the biden administration as it relates to ukraine. and what would your doctrine be particularly in life. of the billions of dollars not being spent here at home? there is a whole host of issues that are ripe for the taking. if the government would simply go down that path, so i think that there are a lot of people who are in their own way trying to nudge the governor towards a path that would be better suited if the plan is to try to overtake the presidency. >> slowly we have heard donald trump's opponents, many of them in the gop field, could continue to be more aggressive to donald trump. here is what they have said this week. >> by the time we get on the debate stage on august 23rd, the front runner will be out on bail in four different jurisdictions? >> if these accusations are true. it's dangerous to our national security. >> when he hits me with the juvenile insults, i think that helps me. i don't think voters like that. it is the reminder why there are so many millions of voters who will never vote for him going forward. >> donald trump is not running for president to make america great again, donald trump is running to stay out of prison. >> what do you see happening here? >> in a way, the new york times study that said there was 37% of republican voters in the base, in the maga base. but last i checked the math, 63 is still greater than 37. there is a majority of republicans who are not, necessarily, in that space. and maybe six months, maybe three months for the party to figure out who can really be the alternative. >> -- >> they're not, and i think it is early in that regard, i think there is also a lot of money to enter the race. and speaking from the other side of the aisle. i think, part of, there are some democrats relishing the opportunity to have donald trump to be the nominee. because he's a weak nominee in the general election. but for me, this is playing with dynamite. and this is just terrifying to consider even the campaign. let alone the possibility of him becoming president, or whatever he would become as soon as he abolishes the checks and balances of our government. so for me, i don't want to say that i am optimistic, but it is the case that i think for desantis to run to the right of trump. from the anti woke thing. that clearly has not worked. there is a large constituency but within the republican party of what somebody is seeing. >> back to trump's legal problems in georgia today. the fulton county d.a., fani willis, says she will be announcing the trial decision by september 1st. but she also said, quote, the work is accomplished. and quote, she is ready to go. what is he waiting for? >> what i don't understand about her. is months ago she said i'm gonna make a charging decisions in the summer. well, they indicted former president trump in miami on four days notice. what law enforcement was mobilized. usually, law enforcement does something called deconfliction, they talk to each other. and i'm just concerned that the feds in georgia are going to step on each other toes. because there's a big overlap in there. so i don't know why she keeps making these announcements. either you do something, bring charges, or close it. one way or the other. >> one more question for you. so carlos de oliveira who is the code of funded in the classified documents case, in mar-a-lago. he was in court for the first time today. so now that the new codefendant has been added, does that push the trial date beyond may? >> it has to. and jack smith actually brought this delay on, by bringing the new case. when you have a new defendant, he hasn't been arraigned. he has a florida council. but there may be method to the madness. because maybe, just maybe, if the january 6th cases brought tomorrow, like we are all thinking. and if the classified document cases put off. maybe that will leave space for a watching to d.c. judge to set the new case. if there is one. donald trump has three things going for him. one, the constitution that he wanted to suspend. he's always going to be presumed innocent. it's gonna protect him. to, a strategy of delay. with all criminal of defense uses. and third, is the money. the big pack. and money makes a big difference, because criminal defense lawyers are expensive. >> thank you for the segue. prince stick around, we're gonna talk about it, because donald trump's political action committees spending more than $3 million on his legal fees this year alone. i sit down with a group of gop voters, to ask what they think about trump's legal woes. so i called innovation refunds. their team of f independent tax attorneys will work with your cpa to detetermine if your company is eligible. 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>> alison, headlines are swirling that the former presidents troubles with the law, his many troubles, have his political action committee, the save america pac on a massive, massive spending spree. $40 million. so far this year. that is how much the pac has reportedly spent on legal fees. so much, that the new york times first reported that the pac gave 60 million to a super pac supporting trump, and now once that money back. my comparison, the federal election commission shows save america spent much less than half that amount of lawyers, for all of 2022. >> all of those millions, just for donald trump's defense? >> no, not all just for him. so many cases coming down on trump, sources tell cnn, his team is creating a legal defense fund to help defend some of the people who have worked with him, and have also come under legal scrutiny. for example, those two men you mentioned a minute ago. the department of justice have accused along with trump, to delete classified footage in the classified documents case. walt nauta and carlos de oliveira. of course trump denies those accusations. >> where is the money coming from? >> most of it is coming from small donors. his campaign has been relentless, and very effective, into tapping into them. and team trump says it is fine to spend their money fighting, what trump calls, political persecution. look at the statement. in order to combat these heinous actions by joe biden's cronies, and protect these innocent people from financial ruin, and control their lives from being politically destroyed. they have legal fees to ensure that they have representation and against unlawful harassment. some legal and political analysts are raising ethical eyebrows over trump's team paying the bills of those who might be witnesses against the former president. alison? >> tom, thank you very much for all that explanation. so, we wonder how republican voters feel about trump's political pac spending millions. so we gathered a small group tonight to ask them. none of these voters say that trump is the first choice in the primary. but wait until you hear about what they say about the general election. -- south, with this news that donald trump's super pac has spent $40 million at least on his legal bills, a show of hands, how many of you are bothered by that? ryan, tell me your thoughts. >> all right, so 40 million is a huge sum of money. and his bucket for the campaign has got a giant hole in it. and that's just going to be a problem from a strategic standpoint. i think it's going to hurt him. >> jack, your thoughts? >> so, if you go to donate to president trump, and his campaign, 10% of that money is going to that super pac. a small donor donating to the campaign, thinking it's going to fund the political activity. that's when i have the problem. >> one of trump's competitors calls it disgraceful, because basically his point is is that donald trump is a billionaire. and why can't he pay for his own legal fees? >> so i do not have a problem. we have trump using campaign donation for his legal defense fund because his legal issues have everything to do with his reelection bid. >> to any of you think that this will hurt him? his legal entanglements will hurt him in the general election? >> it's going to hurt him because it's going to be a sideshow. it's going to be a constant distraction. it is a distraction that is purposeful. his legal problem started when he went down the escalator. and it will continue until he gives a political office, and in the ambitions of that. >> is any of this his fault? or his responsibility? has donald trump been reckless with the law and with the boundaries? >> i think we still have to wait for more information to come out. obviously, everyone is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. >> guys, i'm just curious. a show of hands. how many of you would have been upset if barack obama had taken boxes of classified documents home with him, and when the national archives realized it, move them around. so he didn't have to give him that? >> joe biden took documents after he left office? >> and gave them back. when the national asked for them, he gave them back. is there no distinction in your mind between giving them back, and what the prosecutors say was obstruction of giving the back? and for a year and a half, refusing to give them back? is there no distinction between those two? >> with the fbi, they asked donald trump to add a different lock on his safe. but it was in one location. they said on the hillary clinton stuff that there was evidence that it was likely hacked by both the russians and the chinese. >> that's not true. the fbi said the server was not hacked. that's not true. >> it was her personal server, it wasn't even a governor server. >> what do you think it's more secure, the clinton server that they built in their home. or the cardboard box in the public bathroom that was next to the toilet in mar-a-lago? >> that's a good point. and i don't have an answer that. >> here is my last question for you guys. if he is in the middle of a trial at the time that the election, the general election comes up in 2024, or, if let's just say somehow, he's already been convicted, would you still vote for him? show of hands. okay, so all of you would still vote for him even if he was convicted of a crime? >> it depends on who his vp is. i am half and. >> i am just challenge to believe that america could not afford another four years with president biden, vice president harris. you have to pick one of those two options. and i could not see myself ever voting for joe biden. >> the cause is greater for the man. ultimately, the cause is furthering a conservative governance in the united states. there is probably no one else who can, more keenly feel the results of what the deep state has done to our institutions. our once proud institutions, like the fbi, the doj. >> i'm not planning to vote for donald trump, and i think it's time to move on from him. put all these legal issues aside. go for somebody younger, somebody who has fresh, new blood. trump had his chance to drain the swamp. i think it's time to go for another candidate who can drain the swamp. >> okay, i'm back with anna, jay, joe, and john. anna, i'm always fascinated when i talk to folks. outside of manhattan. and here. to hear what the rest of the country's thinking. your thoughts when you heard this? >> i know some of these people. who think the same way. some of them are, in my family. look, trump has been very effective in portraying his christ-like complex. and, talking about how he is taking this with him. he is suffering for them. it is his sacrifice for them. and there are people who generally believe that despite the fact that there is video, audio, and hard evidence documenting. they do not believe their eyes. they do not believe what they see, it is cult like behavior but we saw this from republicans already. let us not forget that a bunch of conservative christian republicans, voted for trump. after having heard him say, in audio, that he had sexually assaulted a woman. and they did not care. because they care about the supreme court, and he delivered, and they remember that. >> what i heard from these guys wasn't that they don't believe what is happening with trump, it's that they don't think that democrats have done the same thing. >> i have a slightly different take on those three voters, and i think myself, i am a pessimist. i think the glass is half empty. let me put it that way. [inaudible] [laughter] >> having said that, these are pretty reflective cups. and i think some of the things that trump said that he would do, when made president, will really give some of these truly conservative people pause. so ignoring congressional mandates, wiping out -- not just the doj, but other agencies. censoring the white house. these are authoritarian, most democrats are not talking about it yet. because they are in the general election. i took a flight amount of hope. because they weren't, and i totally agree, the 37%. this is a cult like behavior. and everyone should see the cult of donald trump, and understand what's really going on. this is about that. however, it fell to me like these weren't the true believers. and, these are people who support the issues. >> there were other people in the primary by the way. >> if the situation were reversed, joe biden might not be my candidate of choice. but i would certainly vote for him, because i basically believe in the values that he has spoken for. and i think when it's coming to settle the legal issues. when we see what the plan for donald trump is for america. reasonable conservatives are going to be horrified. >> joe, quickly. >> look, to your point, there's a lot of republicans who recognize that there is no conservative case for joe biden. a lot of republicans to believe that if you are looking at what donald trump is proposing from a 30,000 foot policy standpoint which is what the biden administration has put forth. there is no comparison. that we should be disabused of any notion that joe biden is going to govern from the center. i think that is what a lot of republicans are dealing with. it is very difficult to say, put the legal issues aside. because in some ways they are unprecedented. it's very difficult to put the monies aside because in some ways it is unprecedented. but there are people who simply recognized, and to that point, that panels point, the legal is inextricably linked with the politics whether you think that some of it might have been brought on by the president. >> and then very quickly, is there any federal election commission problem with donald trump's pac paying for all his legal? >> there isn't. but it's an ethical challenge. if an ethical lawyer says the third-party is playing, but by my obligation is to you. and not the person paying. it's fine. but if your bags science, it's not just unethical. it could be obstruction. >> okay. a first for president biden, acknowledging his -- what took so long? that's next. when the murrays discovered gain scent beads, they fell in love with the irresistible scent. ♪ ♪ huh, huh, so did their dog roger. ♪ ♪ huh, huh, so did gain scent beads keep even the stkiest stuff smelling fresh. make a splash with the ultimate pool party essential. blendjet gives you ice-crushing, big blender power on-the-go, so you can soak up the sun with a frosty beverage. enjoy 15+ blends before rapidly recharging via usb-c. and it even cleans itself with a drop of soap and water. stand out even when you're accidentally twinning with our kaleidoscope of colors. make this summer the coolest ever. order yours now from blendjet.com. 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>> i take a different view. i think the real problem is, speaking as a rabbi, i say this. the unquestioned reaction to this entire consolation of issues around hunter biden. this is clearly a man who has suffered a lot, and has broken, and has struggled with addiction. and i struggled with loss that i have never experienced. on a magnitude that i cannot understand. and the fact that this person. >> meaning his mother, his sister, his brother, early original loss. >> exactly, and the fact that this is being made into political hay. and it is leading the news in some quarters. like it's the biggest scandal. is way out of proportion. there are clearly misdeeds, trying to take a political deal around some of that. but i want to take a look at john chapter seven, he who has not sandcastle for stone. >> is it a problem for biden? joe biden? >> i don't think so. i don't think it's a problem politically. i think people understand, most people understand, that there was a legal case going on. for years, it took time to resolve. and now that that's over, i think they're going to quickly move towards this new -- you can't argue with the fact that joe biden has been there for his kids. and his grandkids. this is a man that has took a train back and forth between washington and delaware every single day. >> but not this grandchild? i mean this grandchild. >> because they were in a custody battle. because they were fighting over money. because it was a legal issue. and i hate that this has become, that this has become a political issue. because that child is going to read that when she gets older. but i do know joe biden, and i trust that he, his love of family will supersede the legal and the political. and that he really does want the best for his children, because that's what he has been wanting for the other ones. for the grandchildren that lost their father, both children, he's been there for hunters children when hunter was having all of those issues. and hunter is having to be held accountable. rightly so. for the very bad decisions and actions that he did and took while he was in the throes of addiction. >> in a world where we were and potentially talking about everything president trump, this would be a character issue for joe biden. it would certainly be a character issue i think for his presidency. if you are talking about somebody who is, his entire essence of a political images imbued to compassion. i would thank my family, or many families would say we don't know if hunter is a father. but we are here to do everything humanly possible to make sure in this period of uncertainty, this person, this child does not feel as if they are ostracized. and clearly the nature of how this proceeding unraveled, is the fact that they had felt isolated, and acknowledge. pushed to the side, treated as less than. yes, it should be a character issue. if you're going to talk about joe biden, and everything that they have been through, certainly if anything it should speak to them having a greater amount of compassion, then less than. so yes, will it be the deciding issue, but when it comes to policy the moral high ground has become obliterated. it is become a winner takes all issue here. but we should care about, it and if we are going back to this whole, my word as a biden thing, where all of a sudden that has become the unimpeachable word of this president. not only for here, but for the legal issues that hunter is dealing with, the stuff with china that we don't have to talk about today. all of it comes back to integrity. he's supposed to be the integrity candidate, this certainly should impede that. >> france, thank, you for all the perspectives. as you all know, barbie's experience a renaissance. so if a male radio host calls a sports reporter, barbie, is that for losing his job? 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>> i was really bombed to hear it. aren't we passed this? aren't we down with this? of course we're not, and it is always so disappointing. and you heard the way that he talked about her, this was not some offhanded comment, this was a very extensively demeaning her, talking about how she looked, that she is tight, that she is a check. i thought she was a cheerleader. this is a working journalist, a person who came to work that day and this is what happened to her. and it is so frustrating when you hear this kind of stuff because we ask women in tv, or all of us, and specifically in sports tv, look attractive. you tell people, that you want to be tv ready and presentable and then you criticize her for looking attractive. it is a tough position to put a woman in. the irony is that the barbie movie that you referred to addresses this. there's a great moment in the barbie movie where america ferreira is saying that they're supposed to look like this, and they criticized if they do look like that. it's exactly what happened here. it's -- that to show that you know your stuff, it to have somebody who is a voice of the team and that is what he was. a team broadcasters say these things about you and then you are expected to be in on the joke, which is also really frustrating because then you have to be a partner to somebody demeaning you and that is worse. i'm happy to see that everybody involved at saugus for what it was. >> i knew you'd have an interesting perspective on this because having been in sports television for so long, as you have, i am guessing that you have personal experience with comments like this. >> i've been called sideline barbie, which was fun. i grew up in the northern d.c. era and i've heard john dawn geronimo before i was a teenager. he is a history of lewd comments about women. this might be some of the context that is missing here, this was not done in a vacuum. not only does he have a personal history, but the team has a history that they're battling with. the washington football team just changed hands a couple of weeks ago. before that it was owned for 20 years by dan snyder who had so many problems with women, misogyny, sexual harassment, the congress opened an investigation into his behavior and the team. that is the level that it reached. he was found to have propagated an environment in the office where women were groped, they were told that just don't sit near him if he is going to grow you and manhandle you. women were told that they had to wear something cute and tight to meetings so that the men would have something to look at. and most upsetting was a video that was put together for the team by one of the league broadcasters, again, this is where this comes into play, for dance amusement that was a behind the scenes video shoot of a cheerleader calendar shoot except it caught some of the women's changing. apparently the team broadcaster had -- put them together in a ten minute edited video for his amusement and the team owners amusement. this is what the history that they are dealing with, the bottom of this comment. so, once this happened the team, especially with new ownership, felt it had to take action and, you can see why they did. >> rachel, it is so helpful to have all of that context. particularly for people to dismiss it as a flipping to comment or joke, it is really helpful to know all of that and always great to see you. up next, another loss for elon musk. we are going to tell you what happened to the giant flashing x sign that he put up on his headquarters. ean? 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