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it there, people gathered at this hour in front of the supreme court, just trying to take this all in. now, until this becomes a decision, abortion, at this hour, still legal in the united states. still the law of the land, although it seems unlikely that given this opinion, that the votes would change, it has happened before. this, though, right now, the conservative majority has, according to politico, provided a draft of this decision, of this opinion, that would overturn that law. now, the pubishing of the draft opinion is a stunning breach in and of itself, of supreme court confidentially and secrecy. you see the website actually posting it online, though cnn cannot confirm the document's authenticity. cnn legal analyst reports now from washington. >> reporter: this is seismic news coming from the supreme court. in a draft opinion obtained by politico, the court appears poised to overturn the landmark decision, roe v. wade, that legalized abortion in the united states. this means nearly 50 years of legal access to abortion in any state may soon change. states could have the option of banning abortion entirely once this ruling is officially handed down. a number of states already have laws ready to be enacted to limit or outright ban abortions. as the law stands now in america, states cannot ban abortion before about 23 weeks of pregnancy. the case at hand brought on by the state of mississippi will entirely change that precedent. what is also shocking is how we came to learn about this decision. normally, we hear at the very end, once a decision is complete from the supreme court. we hear from a majority and we hear from a dissent. but this first draft of the majority decision was made available in an entirely unprecedented way and for some people, might further bring into question the legitimacy of this supreme court. according to politico and our own reporting confirms, this chief justice john roberts would be in dissent in an opinion to overturn roe v. wade and he will be even more concerned about the outcome of this ruling now. >> all right, you just heard joan there call it seismic, and, in fact, the political and legal reaction has been like an earthquake right through this entire country. cnn's don lemon spoke to three of our legal analysts earlier. here's what they had to say about the supreme court and what they might be looking to do when they -- if they vote to strike down roe versus wade. listen. >> this opinion can be, if true, narrowed down and defined quite simply. women are not viewed as equal to men. >> i think the fact of the leak is reflective of how serious an issue it is. as you know, don, i was booked on the show a few hours ago to talk about the investigation into the insurrection on january 6th. >> right. >> and obviously the news cycle has changed. but if you think about it for a minute, i think it's not too great a stretch to say there is some connection between an effort to overturn and election and an effort to overturn roe and it's this, as i've been thinking about it. there's a segment of the ideological spectrum now that thinks it has certain kinds of powers and wants to engage in radical efforts to overturn things they don't like. there's no more incrementalism, there's no more compromise. you don't like the results of the election, you storm the capitol and you talk about hanging the president of the united states and you get the presidency back. similarly here, we've been talking for the last number of months about this move towards, you know, the eradication of abortion by the supreme court and a lot of people were assuming that there would be a nuanced opinion of some sort, an attempt to gut roe without directly overturning roe, that's not what you see here. you see a direct onslaught, a direct, and i think given the history and the precedent, radical effort to erase roe. >> this should not be a surprise. when donald trump ran for president in 2016, he could not have been more explicit. he said over and over again, i will appoint justices to the supreme court who will vote to overturn roe v. wade. and what i think he meant by that was, he was going to appoint justices to the supreme court who will vote to overturn roe v. wade and if this leak is accurate, and i have every reason to believe that it is, that's precisely what happened. and, you know, when democrats have tried to call attention to this, people have said, oh, they're overreacting, they're panicking, it's not true, roe v. wade's been around for 50 years, no one's ever going to overturn it, well, take a look at this. this is what republicans and conservatives have been trying to do for decades. and it looks like they've succeeded. >> okay, that was don lemon speaking earlier to cnn legal analyst laura coates, preet bharara and jeffrey toobin. as we say, this could possibly change a law that has stood in the united states for nearly a half century and we will continue to follow breaking news as we continue to have those live protests, in fact, in front of the supreme court in washington. we do now want to go to other news, including the conflict there in ukraine, and now u.s. and western officials believe vladimir putin could formally declare war on ukraine as soon as may 9th. that's victory day in russia, marking the defeat of the nazis in world war ii. now, remember, to this point, russia has only referred to it as an invasion and a special military operation. they deny that this is a war. meantime, russian forces appear to be pushing further to the west in ukraine. local officials report a number of russian missile strikes now in the city of odesa. ukraine's president says a 14-year-old boy was killed and another teen wounded in an attack on a dormitory. there are also signs that ukrainian forces are fighting back. video posted online shows the aftermath of a large explosion at an airfield in a russian-held area near kherson. neither side is commenting on the cause. ukraine, in fact, is claiming success in regaining territory in its second-largest city to kharkiv, but in the south to kharkiv, a u.s. diplomat reports highly credible evidence that russia may try to annex the donbas region, along as kherson, along that southern coast. for more now on the situation in ukraine, we want to join our issa suarez from lviv. and, again, interesting here, as they continue to try and get those civilians evacuated out of mariupol, a lot of confusion as to exactly how many have been now evacuated and where they've gone. >> reporter: a very good morning to you, paula. very confusing situation. let me bring our viewers up to date with what we know. it's been a desperate situation, of course, growing even worse in the besieged city of mariupol. the city council says that evacuations are due to resume over the coming hours, we'll keep an eye on those, but past efforts, to be honest, have been hit and miss. and russian shelling is once again nonstop. that's what we've been told. on monday, some evacuees began arriving in zaporizhzhia, a city still under ukrainian control. but the fate of those civilians is even less clear at this point. around 100 were able to make it out on sunday, but another round of evacuations planned for monday actually never happened, and a ukrainian commander at the steel plant says they've been under constant bombardment since early monday, and this video really appears to confirm those reports. it shows a large plume of smoke, as you can see there, rising over the city from an area near the plant. and for those who did make it out to safety, as you can imagine, the relief is palpable, but the future remains unc uncertain. our nick paton walsh has this report from zaporizhzhia. >> reporter: after two pomonths when they finally emerged into the light, it was a ravaged world that awaited them. the path out through this, mariupol's steel plant battered by russian explosives for we weeks -- send these ukrainians who had endured the savage rumble of blasts above, grateful to be whisked out, even if it is through a hometown now unrecognizable. this boy has spent a third of his life underground. children always wanted to eat, she says, adults, you know, can wait. but this was the beginning of possibly thousands of similar journeys. here escorted by the united nations and red cross during a brief pause in the violence. after weeks of cajoling in moscow and kyiv at the highest level. thank you, and stay healthy, she says, walking out. these pictures filmed in russian-controlled territory appear to show some of the first movements out of mariupol, guided by the u.n. they are still here under russian armed guard and russia's ministry of defense monday claimed 11 evacuees had decided to stay in territory they control. and 69 to head to zaporizhzhia, held by ukraine. still, monday before dusk, none of the convoy either from the plant or the wider tens of thousands of civilians who might want to get out in the u.n. move, had arrived here. a welcome center where slowly people have been arriving from wider mariupol and the areas around it under their own steam, over journeys spanning previous days. tatiana said she got out of mariupol three days ago. they bombed the buildings, they're aflame. the bolds have been buried. she tries to get up and walk before she's reminded her wheelchair is there for a purpose. in the days ahead, the numbers under u.n. escort arriving here will be a powerful omen whether any sort of talking in this war can save lives. nick paton walsh, cnn, zaporizhzhia, ukraine. >> stay on top of any evacuations that take place this morning. joining me now from california, steve fish, professor of political science at uc-berkeley. a very good evening to you there, steve. let me start, really, what we've heard overnight, your thoughts that the u.s. and western officials believe vladimir putin could formally declare war in ukraine as soon as may 9th. what would that mean, do you think in the battlefield? how would it change this war, steve? can you hear me there, steve? i'm just trying to see if we've got you. can you hear me at all? it doesn't seem that we have got steve, we will try and reconnect with him and see if we can talk to him, of course, about what is happening not just in mariupol, but also the developments we have seen on the east of the country and that offensive, as russia continues to push in. we'll try and reconnect and see if we can reach out to him. in the meantime, let's send it back to paula newton in atlanta. >> thank you, isa. russia's top diplomat drags out a conspiracy theory about adolf hitler in an attempt . and it's not going over well.. we'll be back. ♪ ♪ ♪ allergies don't have to be scary. spraying flonase daily stops your body from overreacting to allergens all season long. psst! psst! flonase all good. discover a simple way to use colors in managing diabetes! inspired by nature, onetouch verio reflect® meter shows instantly if you're below, 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"peace of mind." such a big, beautiful idea. and for us at booking.com this means - free cancellation on most bookings. it's a bit functional. but we'll gladly be functional. so you can be free. booking.com booking.yeah welcome back, i'll isa soares coming to you live from ukraine. earlier, i was trying to connect with steve fish. i believe we have you now, steve. hopefully you can hear me. >> yes. >> and obviously, you didn't hear my question initially, but i wanted really to get your thoughts on what we heard overnight that u.s. and person officials believe vladimir putin could formally declare war in ukraine as soon as may 9th. what would that mean, really, how would it change this war? >> honestly, it won't change it much, isa. he's already throwing everything he's got at this war, and for him to declare war formally would open up the possibility of him, you know, pressing more russian young men into service in ukraine, but the point is is that he's, you know, these will be untrained people. troop morale is incredibly low. there's actually already a war going on and he's throwing everything he's got at ukraine. i think this is just symbolic. >> yeah, i mean, it could potentially change -- doesn't seem like i would change the narrative at all. >> no. >> but also worrying that we've heard in the last 24 hours or so from the ambassador -- the u.s. ambassador to the osce, there are plans to create a people's republic in kherson, of course, this follows reports by ukrainians that are preparing an independence referendum and beginning to use the ruble from next week. what does that tell you, steve, about russia's intentions here in the south as well as the east of ukraine? >> well, what it tells us is that russia, kind of what's been obvious from the beginning, is that russia wants to conquer ukraine, all of it, or as much as it can actually have. now, they can hold all the referendums they want and change to the ruble and try to form a new people's republic, but the fact is, i don't think they're going to be able to hold this territory. they can do this if they want, but right now, given the abysmal performance of the russian military and the truly amazing performance of the ukrainian military, there's no reason for us to think that somehow they're going to actually be able to conquer this territory and annex it to russia. we do know this is what putin wants to do, but his capability of doing so is a whole other matter. >> yeah, we have seen -- you are quite right, we have seen ukrainians holding ground and pushing the russians back. if we turn to mariupol, of course, we are expecting to see another round of evacuations for the city of mariupol, for those who have been sheltering in the city, about 100,000 or so inside the city, looking to get out. yesterday, these evacuations, it was somewhat, you know, hit and miss, regards to the ones, is civilians inside, of course, azovstal. how do you see this playing out? >> there hasn't been any trust between the russians and ukrainians, and for good reason. the russians always turn these humanitarian corridors into war zones. we're not going to see anything there that's going to be of great consequence. look, in the bigger picture here, russia is losing this war and losing it in a very big way. what we're seeing here in the big picture is that russia doesn't have an army. it doesn't have an air force, it doesn't have a navy. this is a world-changing revelation, finding out that russia's whole military is -- this also reflects on what we know about autocracy and about putin's autocracy, which is considered the gold standard. many people have thought that autocracies are somehow stronger, they're better at building stronger militaries and so on -- what we're seeing now is exactly the opposite. the russian military's so ill-equipped, its soldiers are so poorly rationed, due to the fact that there's so much corruption in the system, that there's been a lot of skimming on the part of military officials and bureaucrats, that this is not even a war-ready army. and we're seeing democracies on the other hand uniting, we're seeing the weapons that the ukrainians are using actually working. so, what we're seeing here in the big picture is the kind of vindication of democracy and, you know, the revelation that yoautocracy is not very efficie, it's not very effective, not very good even on security policy. >> yeah, western democracies uniting and more united nato, too, as a consequence of this war. steve fish, appreciate you taking the time to speak with us. thank you very much, steve. and i'll have much more from lviv in just a few minutes. in the meantime, back to paula newton in atlanta. >> thank you, isa. meantime, outrage is erupting around the world of comments the russian foreign minister made about adolf hitler, jews, and ukraine. sergey lavrov told italian tv that hitler had jewish blood and that the most ardent anti-semites are usually jews. he was trying to support kremlin rhetoric and he shrugged off the fact that ukraine was -- does, at this hour, have a jewish president. ukraine's volodymyr zelenskyy loudly denounced his remarks. >> translator: how could this be said on the eve of the anniversary of the victory over naziism? these words mean that russia's top diplomat is blaming the jewish people for nazi crimes. no words. such an anti-semitic thrust by their minister means russia has forgotten all the lessons of world war ii, or maybe they never studied those lessons. >> now, those comments were deemed so absurd that israeli leaders have called lavrov's remarks unforgivable lies. cnn's matthew chance has more reaction now, he's reporting from moscow, where the kremlin has imposed strict laws regarding how russia's presence in ukraine is described. >> reporter: sergey lavrov was attempting to justify why his country has sent so many troops across the border into neighboring ukraine. they say it's because the ukraine of today is run by neo-nazis and that it represents an extension ishl threat to russia in the same way nazi germany did in the 1940s. we've seen that rhetoric from the beginning of this russians call the special military operation and we're seeing that rhetoric being stepped up in the last few weeks, last few days, in particular, because for, in the leadup to the may the 9th victory day celebrations, commemorations, where russia come them rates the end of the second world war. so, we're seeing more and more of this. the problem, of course, with that narrative, is that ukraine isn't run by neo-nazis, it's run by a jewish president. and when con ffronted with that fact, lavrov said that jews are the worstanti- semites and that hitler himself may have been partly jewish, which is -- you know, something that's been discredited by historians. and the culmination has been -- there's been no mention of it in russia, but the condemnation from elsewhere has been pretty sharp, pretty from israel, the israeli prime minister calling it lies, the israeli foreign minister saying that the comments by his russian counterpart were unforgivable, which is interesting in itself, because israel has been one of the countries that's been sitting on the fence when it comes to its condemnation of russia, it hasn't fully signed up to the international rafts of sanctions against the country over its action inside ukraine. so, you know, there's a possibility that that could change, we'll see. but certainly, you know, a very sharp, diplomatic reaction to sergey lavrov's words. >> and our thanks to matthew chance there, reporting from moscow. still to come for us, we are f following late-breaking reaction to the news that politico has published what it says is a supreme court draft opinion that would overturn roe v. wade. ♪ ♪ ♪i'm so defensive,♪ ♪i got bongos thumping in my chest♪ ♪and something tells me they don't be me♪ ♪ ♪he'better not take the ring from me.♪ when normal day is anything but normal, we fit your schedule, with our unique tub over tub process installed in as little as a day. bath fitter. it just fits. visit bathfitter.com to book your free consultation. are you haunted by your cable service? 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>> here's what we know. we know that there are 26 states that are poised and ready and emboldened, quite frankly, because of this court, to overturn roe in their own states, right? once the federal protection is gone, it means that the states will now be making these decisions. and we've already seen it, as i've said, in texas. we've seen florida move to 15-week bans, arizona move to 15-week bans. we've seen oklahoma, idaho move to six-week bans. we will see 26 states move to ensure that we no longer have control over own bodies to make these decisions about ourselves, our families, and that is what is truly devastating right now. so, they forecast this in the draft opinion, however it was leaked, which is unprecedented in and of itself, but what's also unprecedented is the fact that we have had this right for 49 years -- for 49 years, we have fought to make sure that we are able to make these decisions, not some lawmakers down the street, not somebody who honestly doesn't even know how our bodies work, and now they are determined to take this right away from us. >> now, that was alexis mcgill-johnson, president and ceo of planned parenthood, speaking with anderson cooper. and she said what might now exist in the united states would be a patchwork of laws throughout the country. now, people in the meantime, have been very active on twitter and that includes some people cheering the fact that this may come to fruition. we will continue to follow that breaking news for you in the coming minutes and hours. in the meantime, people are returning to a village near kyiv decimated by russian attacks. why things remain dangerous there, weeks after a russian retreat.nd her . she's in austin between a fresh bowl of matcha and a fresesh batch of wireframes. and yoyou can find her, and millions of other tatalented pros, right now on upwork.comm ♪ (drum roll) ♪ ♪ (energetic music) ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ (camera shutters) the all-new lx 600. ready for any arena. ♪ ♪ do you struggle to fall asleep and stay asleep? 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>> translator: we were very scared. my heart was beating very fast. we thought we would die there. the russians fight indiscriminately. >> reporter: the fighting only eased when russia withdrew from the entire kyiv region. >> valentina emerging from the basement to find shell casings in her garden and whatever else the russians left behind. so, all these things, she says, the russians left behind. a cup of some kind here. this is some sort of life jacket that the russians use. and then even here you've got old meal boxes, even with -- there's some things left inside there that you can see. for nearly two months after the fighting, residents stayed away. a trickle have now started to return. for them, russia's lasting effects here more than just bullet holes and bomb craters. not only do people who are trying to rebuild so often have to start from scratch, but there remains so many mines and pieces of unexploded ordnance that authorities are actually considering closing down this town for a few days until they can clear it. it's open for now, though, which meant valentina could come back home for the first time in weeks. the weather was nice, so her niece and nephew played on the swing. different than the last time they were here when they hid in a basement as bombs destroyed everything above. is it difficult to think about that? >> translator: i don't even know what to say. >> reporter: what we can say is that this tiny town has turned into a similar billion of sorts. a village mercilessly attacked that, in the end, stood its ground. a microcosm, perhaps, of the country in which it lies. matt rivers, cnn. i'm paula newton at cnn center in atlanta. 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landmark roe versus wade decision, guaranteeing a woman's right to an abortion. now, to be clear, this is not official. the formal opinion from the justices is not expected until late june. but the early publication of this is unprecedented and is being roundly criticized by conservatives who feel it is a breach of the court's confidentiality. you see it there, politico published the entire 98-page draft. democrats and abortion advocates are expressing outrage if this opinion is true. in a joint statement, nancy pelosi and chuck schumer say this would, quote, inflict the greatest restriction of rights in the past 50 years. and more now from u.s. house speaker nancy pelosi, who says she is hoping to get more aid to ukraine as quickly as possible. she says congress could take up a $33 billion measure by next week. pelosi led a congressional dell case on a visit to kyiv last week. she's the highest ranking u.s. official to visit the ukrainian capital since the start of the war. she says her time in kyiv with president zelenskyy was informative and inspiring. ukraine says more than 9,000 cases of war crimes, meantime, by russian troops, are now being investigates. and many of the victims of those crimes are children. cnn's sara sidner spoke to one grandmother who is mourning the loss of her granddaughter and a warning -- the images you're about to see are graphic and, of course, hard to watch. >> reporter: 68-year-old galina stands over her 7-year-old granddaughter's fresh grave. this is only the second time she's been able to visit the remains since the russians rolled into town, snuffing out life as casually as putting out cigarettes. these are the faces of the children of russia's war on ukraine. two sisters, the family says, were shot in bucha. 11-year-old lita flinches in pain, hospitalized. her 7-year-old sister lies motionless next to her. she never regains consciousness. tell me about your granddaughter. nastia, she says, calling her granddaughter by her nickname, she was so nice. she loved me and always asked me to sing a song for her. will you sing the song that your granddaughter loved for us? she refuses because the song that used to bring them both joy only brings her pain now. she was there to witness the murder of 7-year-old anastasia and the wounding of a second grandchild why remains hospitalized. she says a russian sniper shot through their vehicle from these woods as the entire family, seven children and three adults, tried to escape the russian siege of bucha. these children were scared, they were all screaming, she says. and i asked the soldier to help us, i was begging them, saying, don't you have kids of your own? funeral director anna says theirs is a story that has played out again and again around here. what are these families enduring? russians would not let them bury loved ones at the cemetery. people had to bury them in their own backyards first, then later at the cemetery. the family, she says, have to endure two burials, they have to go through that pain twice. at the cemetery these days, you crane's old war heroes are being joined by young war victims. in bucha alone, the local prosecutor says at least 31 children were killed by russian forces. 19 injured. are these war crimes being committed? war crimes, yes, that will never be forgiven, neither in heaven nor on earth. they must burn in hell. seething anger pours from her lips. she's seen too much fresh death, including the burial of 15-year-old anya alongside her mother. both shot and burned to death in their car after encounters russian tanks as they tried to flee bucha. it was a nice, happy family. the mom gave all her love to her children. anya's 14-year-old schoolmate says the russians killed the girl with a warm smile and big talent. the art anya made a reminder of the beauty she brought to the world at such a young age. they just wanted to save themselves and they were shot, just because russians wanted to do so. they don't know why they came here, but they had fun doing it. in anastasia's case, her grandmother says her son-in-law has already talked to authorities, but for now, her once bright, lively granddaughter is alone. her final resting place awaits her remains. anastasia will finally be beside her own mother, who died of cancer not long after anastasia was born. sara sidner, cnn. now to a cnn exclusive. the chairman of the house select committee investigating the january 6th insurrection at the u.s. capitol is giving us some insight now into testimony from the former president's daughter, ivanka trump. house democrat bennie thompson tells cnn the testimony was not against donald trump himself, but it was useful in confirming other key testimony about what was going on inside the white house on that day. and thompson said this, quote, there were questions asked about what was -- what she was doing at the time that the insurrection was occurring at the capitol and she told us. they asked certain questions about her awareness of what her father was doing, she told us, so, in that respect, we've been able to fill in a lot of gaps. now, in addition to ivanka trump, her brother donald trump jr. is also expected to testify and work is under way to schedule his appearance. a warrant has been issued for an alabama corrections officer after she and an inmate went missing from a detension center friday. now, a manhunt is still under way for both and the lauderdale county sheriff says it appears the officer is willfully assisting the inmate who is charged with capital murder. cnn's ryan young has our details. >> i'd be surprised if they're still in alabama. >> reporter: tonight, a manhunt is under way for a dangerous murder suspect and correction officer vicky white who may have helped the inmate escape. >> if she did this willingly, all indications are that she did, i guess we're trying to hold onto that last straw of hope that maybe for some reason she was threatened and did this under coercion, but absolutely you feel betrayed. >> reporter: friday morning, the lauderdale county sheriff's office says assistant director vicky white told coworkers she was taking casey white to the courthouse. casey white is awaiting trial on murder charges. investigators say security video shows the pair never arrived at the courthouse and no evaluation or court appearance was even scheduled. several hours later, white's patrol car was found abandoned in a shopping center parking lot less than a mile away from the detention facilfacility. investigators say they still have no evidence of a relationship between them. >> we're still looking into that, reviewing phone calls, reviewing video from the jail. >> reporter: cnn got a first-hand look at security procedures inside the detention center. you can see how all this works, security at every single level. they have to radio in. the sheriff says vicky white actually violated protocol when she removed casey white from the detention facility. this is the hallway where the inmate would be walking down. go through this day to a port where he would be loaded into a car. normally, it's two deputies per van, but this time, it was just the deputy and the inmate. the sheriff says since vicky white is in charge of the detention center, no one questioned her. the sheriff's office says last week, after about two decades with the department, vicky white put in her retirement papers. friday was supposed to be her last day. casey white was already serving 75 years for a rash of crimes. next month, he's scheduled to go on trial on two counts of capital murder for the stabbing death of connie ridgway in 2015. tonight, investigators are hopeful he'll soon be back behind bars. >> keep in mind that casey white is a large individual, he is 6'9" tall. he will stand out. >> reporter: right now, just a lot of questions about how this played out. of course, vicky white worked here for more than 15 years, so there's a lot of shock in terms of the deputies who work here about exactly what happened. they're hoping to get some sort of tip that leads them to a break in this investigation. but right now, just a lot of questions. reporting in lauderdale county, alabama, ryan young, cnn. we're tracking history in the making off the coast of new zealand. the u.s.-based robcket lab has used a helicopter, so, think about this, a helicopter to catch a rocket booster as it parachuted to earth. now, the live stream shows the helicopter snagging the parachute before the pilot decided to drop the rocket. now, a company official described the catch as spectacular and a monumental step forward. the ability to catch a rocket, of course, is part of the company's goal of reusable rockets, right? and they have this in mind so they can cut the coast of going to space. i'm paula newton right here at cnn center, i'll be back with our two major breaking news stories, both in ukraine and here in the united states, right after a quick break. 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