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the only television crew in that lockdown we'll share with you the growing despair. and good evening, i'm erin burnett, we begin with breaking news and a struggle for life, ukrainian president volodomyr zelenskyy says putin is now doing everything he can to destroy any sign of life in eastern ukraine. >> translator: the occupiers are doing everything to destroy any life in this area. therefore, the defense of our land, the protection of our people is literally a struggle for life. >> and there are signs that russia is making progress in the east of ukraine. now attacking the region on three fronts, from the north, from the eastern donbas region which borders russia and from the south. they're targeting ukrainian infrastructure, powerplants, rail network, that, of course, is served as the vital supply line for ukrainian forces and humanitarian aid. but despite the advances, pentagon says putin's fight in the east still not going according to plan. it is set to be behind schedule and russia is running short of a whole lot of things, right, tanks, people, but also precision missiles instead now relying on less sophisticated so called dumb bombs which can inflict serious civilian damage. more conscripts instead of professional fighters, people who were, not signed up, required to serve for one year, limited training now put on the front lines. as of tonight, we understand now as many of 92,000 russians fighting in eastern ukraine, up from 70,000 in the past week and tonight, more evidence of mass civilian graves, president zelenskyy's office says they've found another grave in bucha. so far authorities recovering nearly 1,000 bodies in and around the region. this would double that. and today, pentagon spokesman john kirby getting emotional, using language we frankly have not heard from the pentagon until tonight. >> it's hard to look at what he's doing in ukraine. what his forces are doing in ukraine and think that any ethical, moral individual could justify that. it's difficult to look at the -- sorry -- it's difficult to look at some of the images and imagine that any well-thinking, serious mature leader would do that. so i can't talk to a psychology, but i think we can all speak to his depravity. >> pentagon saying the horrific images that we've seen of innocent civilians bound, tortured, executed sometimes literally tossed out with the trash, are beyond what america's top military officials expected. >> i don't think we fully appreciated the degree to which he with visit that kind of v violence and cruelty and as i said, depravity on innocent people. >> those comments come as there is a new and frankly a desperate attempt, last ditch attempt to try to get the thousands of ukrainians holed up in that steel plant in mariupol out. they need to evacuate more urgently, they're obviously, not water, not food, any supplies are incredibly limited at this point and russia accused of dropping bombs on a makeshift hospital that had been used inside the complex, saying now 600 people there are now injured. keep in mind when you look at mariupol and this is just one city but a city so emblematic of the tragedy of ukraine have been more than 20,000 people killed in the city of ukraine, more than 20,000 people killed already scott mclain is out front, scott, it is truly a race for time right now in mariupol. >> reporter: erin and it's difficult to envision how the stand off at the steel plant might end even if diplomacy succeeds in getting the civilians out from under that plant, it might not save the soldiers who are there who say they will not surrender. it has to end at some point, though, because they're running out of food, out of water, and also ammunition. >> these are russian troops making a break for cover in the streets of the asovstal steel plant in mariupol. one of them is shot along the way, a fellow soldier attempts to pull him to safety amidst heavy fire. one ukrainian deputy commander says russia is not only bombarding the plant from the sky, but now also attacking from the ground. >> translator: as of today have been attempts to storm the territory, this is infantry, this is enemy military equipment, but those attempts have been beaten off as of this hour. >> palomar, deputy commander of the asov regiment leading the fight from the plant says recent bombing left some cellars and bunkers cut off from rubble, not sure if there are survivors trapped inside. he says bombing also hit a field hospital and the number of wounded soldiers to more than 500, city mayor puts the number of injured at more than 600. >> how many do you think will survive the next day or two? >>. >> i'm not going to say how long we can be here but i'll say we are doing everything we can to stabilize them. >> reporter: with the soldiers in the plants are hundreds of civilians, mostly elderly, women and children they say as young as four months old. ukrainian officials say are also running low on food and water. thursday, the u.n. secretary-general arrived in kyiv, determined to broker a deal to safely evacuate civilians from the plant after securing an agreement in principle from vladimir putin in moscow. friday morning, zelenskyy's office announced an operation to evacuate civilians planned for friday but no other details. olimar says convoy was enroute but yet to arrive, he is also hoping for a deal to allow soldiers to get out, though perhaps it's a long shot. would you rather die fighting than surrender yourself to the russians? >> translator: we are not considering the terms surrender, we are waiting for a chance of exit of the territory for the plant, and if we will not surrender. >> reporter: he says getting soldiers to evacuate safely would take divine intervention. >> to get to the main bus to zaporizhzhia, get from the steel plant -- >> reporter: you don't think that it makes sense for the soldiers at the steel plant just to surrender themselves to the russians? that might be the best thing to do? >> reporter: erin remember city officials, they found three mass graves, officers spoken to some of those people doing the digging and say their reward, well it's very little. two carrots, six strands of spaghetti per person per day while four people share a single loaf of bread and about a gallon and a half of water. >> six strands of spaghetti, just certainly makes you think of other times in history, doesn't it. "outfront" now, seth jones, director of international security program international studies and colonel leighton, j joint chiefs of staff. pretty shocking to hear that, as described by scott and evokes a very different time in history, right, and how human beings were treated in camps and gulags. in that report, scott talks about the asovstal steel plant, that hole of resistance under the ground now in that plant in mariupol and that's what's left in terms of resistance there of civilians as well as those still fighting. how does that siege end? >> i'm afraid not very well, erin. this, you know, scott's report really evoked, as you said, periods of history that we would rather not revisit, but this is a situation where the russians aren't willing to give any quarter. they're not willing to do what is right under humanitarian rules and under humanitarian conventions and that very fact is, i think, going to unfortunately make it very difficult to get the civilians out and almost impossible to get the ukrainian military members out. this is, you know, not only a tragedy, but also speaks to the heroism of the ukrainian soldiers that they've stayed and done this in this cavernous facility underneath the asovstal plant but also something i think that has to stay in the minds of everyone here who has looked at the ukrainian situation to see this utter brutality and i think what we're looking at here is something that is going to go down in history as one of the major sieges of at least the last hundred years but possibly of all time. >> all right, seth, it is stunning when you think of what's happening right now there, right, human beings alive and struggling for life and that they're being sieged and besieged right, putin said he would stop attacking there. there have still been bombs landing and many shots fired, artillery. how does this end? >> well, this is starting to look more and more like world war ii style and world war i style siege warfare and we're seeing frontlines emerge, erin, even over the last 24 to 48 hours seeing three major pushes by the russians with a total of about 92 battalion tactical groups, one is in isium where there are reports now of general gerasimov leading russian combat operations, russians putting their top generals, both alexander devorinikov chief of operations in syria and did a fairly successful job in helping retake territory and now apparently gerasimov getting more directly involved then the eastern donbas front and down in mariupol but they are putting elements of western, eastern, central, and southern military districts including elements of the fifth combined arms army, throwing a lot at this war effort now and we're seeing a little bit of progress in retaking territory but it is a very bloody trench-like fight that we're seeing now in ukraine. >> you know, you talk about the amount being put in and, you know, the return they're getting for it when they evaluate it militarily. there is incredible loss coming for very small gains but they are gains and colonel leighton when you look at the map you do see ukraine's success story in holding back, obviously, their success in kyiv. there are many instances of success and fighting in the face of with incredible fortitude but you do have one major concern, what is it, colonel? >> so my main concern erin is the ukrainians are able to stay the course during the time period from now until they get the aid that's been promised them, you know, in president biden's aid package the $33 billion aid package. i think it's very important for them to hold on but the main concern i have for them tactically is they not get surrounded by the russian forces as seth mentioned coming from the three directions, the north, east, and south and that's very dangerous, the ukrainians cannot afford to have their army surrounded by the russians. >> seth this also comes at this fear, along with the issues the rugs are facing which are logistical supply, both of manpower but also of power itself, right, whether that be tanks or artillery or all the things they have lost, incredible amounts of. on that list is missiles. precision missiles and a senior defense official, you know, we understand is saying in the u.s., saying they're short on those missile defenses they have that they just don't have enough of these precision missiles, can't even make them because of the sanctions, they don't have access to the medals they need, how big an issue is this for russia. >> well, it's concerning in two respects. one is that the entire russian campaign right now, the russians often call this a reconnaissance strike complex, and it relies on a lot of stand-off weapons and artillery, cruise missiles, seen submarine-launched cruise caliber missiles, stand-off missiles and rockets from aircraft, both fixed wing fighters and bombers. the problem with when you get less high precision weapons is there's more indiscriminate killing of ukrainians. so one problem is going to be they will report to more dumb bombs that will kill a range of individuals, and the second issue is they're not going to be able to keep this up for a pro longed period of time without ammunition. >> all right, thank you both very much. and next, willy joseph gets out, the first american killed fighting with ukrainian forces leaving behind a wife and 7-month-old baby in tennessee, his mother speaking to cnn moments ago, you'll hear what he said. plus the man risking his own life to help evacuate fellow ukrainians, 200 so far in the heart of mariupol and the video of his recscue missions is horrible. and he's going back. and at least five prominent russian businessmen, russia claims they all died by suicide just since the war began. what really happened? 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for a private military contractor before the war, cancel agreed to fight in ukraine, in a country on multiple fronts mid march. russian forces inches towards kyiv and carrying out more strikes on western ukraine. his mother says he fought with men from different countries before he was killed in action. his body has not been recovered because of the danger. his new brothers in arms, mourning his loss. >> makes me feel sad and i'm grateful for his sacrifice, it's unbelievable that he was able to go here and put in the ultimate sacrifice for my home country of ukraine. >> reporter: cancel leaves behind a wife and seven month old baby, a family left without a father and husband, his bro brother-in-law saying would fight for what's right regardless of the outcome. ukrainian official said more than 20,000 volunteers and veterans from 52 countries wanted to join though how many served was unclear. u.s. sent billions in weapons and dollars to ukraine to help fight russia, but says american citizens should stay out of this fight. >> we know people want to help but we do encourage americans to find other ways to do so rather than traveling to ukraine to fight there. it is a war zone, it's an active war zone and we know americans face significant risks but certainly, we know a family is mourning a wife is mourning, a our hearts are with them. >> reporter: cancel's mother says the call was too great, cause too important, one for which cancel gave his life. >> he knew they needed help. and it was just something he felt he could help in because he had the experience and the training and the knowledge, to go and help them. >> reporter: rebecca cabrera says it was often she couldn't talk to her son much, tried to send messages here and there because cell phone service was so hard to come by so every few days see an i love you or i'm doing okay, the last time she spoke with him the thursday before he was killed. they have found some comfort in all the messages from friends, those who fought with and from others and all the stories about her son. they say he was a hero. erin. >> all right, thank you very much. so sorry for their loss. and next, he made six trips in and out of what was the most dangerous city in ukraine. saved 200 people, meet the man who is still risking his life to save others. plus, a cnn exclusive how text messages reveal how top fox personality sean hannity went from staunch supporter of trump's election lies to quote-unquote, fed up with the effing l lunatics who are electn deniers . drops for instant moisture. biotrue uses natururally inspired ingredients. and no preservatives. try biotrue there's a different way to treat hiv. it's every-other-month, injectable cabenuva. for adults who are undetectable, cabenuva is the only complete in hiv treatmentuva. you can get every other mont cabenuva helps keep me undetectable. it's two injeions, given by a healthcare provider ery other month. it's one less thing to think about while traveling. hiv 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by suicide all in the span of three months according to russia and three of them said to have killed family members before reportedly taking their own lives. that's the story. four of them were connected to the same company, russian state-owned energy giant, gasprom, cnn's calls have gone unreturned, but an associate one of the men saying it's unlikely he killed himself stating the obvious, i think he knew something and posed some sort of risk. also tonight, one man's brave quest to save ukrainians, a night club owner from mariupol used his own van and organized convoys to help evacuate 200 people out of the city to safety, he returned again and again and again and used his night club as a bomb shelter, a shelter that countless women and children used as they waited to be evacuated. this is all video he has shared with us. just to show you how dangerous his rescue missions were, this is what happened on one of his trips back in mariupol, what we're going to show you is disturbing disturbing. mikael, thank you for talking with us, one, in the street, during an air strike and you cross the street to help. when you do that, you're met by the woman's grand child and i want to play that exchange to warn our viewers, again, this is extremel y 4r67b8g it's very hard to watch this, as to see a grandchild drag his grandmother who had died from the street. what moved you, mikael, to document this, as it was happening? >> translator: frankly, just actually happened by accident, because initially i was going there and i was told by dnr that i had to do video recording of how i was getting out humanitarian aid, but then after the first air raid, which i was supposed to record and i was sending as i came out to record that hit on the hospital and basically i ended up recording a bomb that fell where we were. where i was. >> behind you delivered food, mikael, i know you had some horrible experiences. people were pouncing for the canned meat and water you were able to bring in your van, just the desperation of people just trying to get food. what went through your mind as you saw this, their anguish and their despair. people for whom a few days before or a week before, life had been normal. >> translator: frankly, it was a shock. after giving out all of this humanitarian aid i really didn't know what to do, you know, you see the women fighting for food. it is a shock. i tried to organize them. i tried to do something about this because i understood that there was just not enough food for all of them and no matter how hard i tried to distribute properly, the poridge or food, milk formula for children, there's still not enough. and they're all there just fighting, to one of those trips actually they nearly turned my van over and it was just a survival. i would watch and understand this is just survival happening near our vans which came with all the humanitarian aid and it was an absolutely horrible picture and frankly, a couple of times, i actually caught myself thinking that i do not want to come back. i do not want to see this again. and yet, i still kept coming back because i understood there wouldn't be anyone else to do this. >> mikael you talk about your van and you used it to bring food, to save so many people. it was, though, eventually badly damaged because you came under shelling and gunfire when you look back and think about that, you realize you almost died in pursuit of trying to help others. how does that make you feel? how close you came yourself to dying. >> in that moment, all i thought was my children. i was worried i wouldn't see them i was worried i wouldn't see them again, after that russian bomb. that bomb shelter, that bomb snapped something in me and in this moment, there was this, in my head, only thought i had was more people, more trips, more things to bring. it was like this continuous soundtrack and i also remember that i was standing there and when i was driving that grandmother with her grandson and her eyes were open and there was blood on her grandson and he was looking into my face saying, she gone? and you can never forget those eyes, you just cannot forget the dead eyes of a dead person. i cannot. and they tell me now that when i sleep, in my sleep i talk and i cry because what i feel, it hurts. i feel pain. it is painful. it is painful that this is the 21st century, that this is happening in our country. that this is happening in my city. this is pain. this is pain of our country. >> mykhailo, thank you very much for sharing this with us, i can only imagine how hard that is but i know we're very grateful to hear and learn from you. thank you. >> translator: you're welcome and i do hope this will help to finish it all quickly. and next, fox host sean hannity goes from trump election lie supporter to calling out what he calls the effing lunatics, all on text in black and white, exclusive text messages show that complete 180. plus, new video revealing just how bad covid, china's 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fox host sean hannity what he called election deniers in new text messages obtained by cnn, texts with chief of staff mark meadows, asking how is he doing? fighting like crazy, meadows responded, went to georgia, very tough days but i'll keep fighting. you fighting is fine, the fing lunatics is not fine, they are not helping him, i'm fed up with those people. a far cry from on election day when hannity asked meadows about turnout in north carolina, two hours later meadows responds to him clearly saying stress every vote matters, get out and vote, on radio. hannity of course on a radio show, yes, sir, on it, any place in particular we need to push, pennsylvania, north carolina, arizona, nevada, got it, everywhere, hannity said. host of uncommon ground podcast and of course you all know him for his work on cnn, so van, sean hannity, you know, 82 messages, starts 100% the election is stolen what can i do to help, on and on and on, ends calling the people who are out there publicly fighting against the election lunatics. he didn't think the public would ever see those text messages though so what he said publicly and what he was doing privately are very different things. how many trump supporters are like hannity? inside they know the truth? >> you know, it's hard to know, i have a lot of friends on the right and a lot of friends on the left and there is an embarrassment factor that there are still people out there banging the drum about this stuff yet the fear factor for the people who know better is even bigger than the embarrassment factor so even people who run for office now are afraid to say america had a fair election, you're a traitor now if you say america had a free and fair election. >> you say fear factor now that this is put out there, will be like nothing happened over there when hannity's show comes on. so this comes in the context of political environment we're in which is very unsettling to say the least. president biden, we're learning is frustrated because he feels there are powers in his own party that are essentially saying don't you even think about running again, you know, and he's apparently frustrated that they're trying to run him out of office is the feeling and get him to not run for re-election, now to be honest, van, many americans did assume he was going to be a one-term president and that's what he wanted to do but that was an assumption. how bad is the situations for the democratic party, though? >> look, right now, it feels like a lose-lose situation. you know, joe biden is a beloved human being but he's also up in years so there's a fear, hey listen, don't forget, when obama went into office he looked like a young tiger woods in the beginning, he left looking like morgan freeman, i mean that job will share you up. that is a tough job. so the idea of can this guy do the full eight years, that's the question and i think some people aren't confident. at the same time, there is no heir apparent, no likely successor. >> well the name the party would go, would be kamala harris. >> sure, kamala harris, her numbers are not as strong, his numbers are not as strong, nobody's numbers are as strong so a free for all in the last year of his presidency, now feels like a lose-lose but i do think joe biden deserves the respect to at least get through the midterms, listen democrats can hang together but hang separately, hang together with joe biden right now. >> so we're here tonight, together, which i'm really happy about because i love seeing you van, but today marks the 30th anniversary of the rodney king beating and l.a. riots. >> isn't that crazy? >> well it's amazing. >> 30 years ago tonight l.a. went up in blood and flames. >> but you were there, a student at yale law school and you were arrested that night during those riots and your documentary airing tonight which i know has been a work of passion for you is very personal, not just because that but i mention that in this context, i want to play a bit of it. >> as we're heading up the sfr street a saw a whole hell of a lot of cops up there, ultimately where we got stopped and arrested. >> we were done for. they brought out the big plastic bag and poured out plastic hand cuffs on the ground, then got the city buses, empty city buses. i remember i ran up to one of the police officers and said listen, i'm a law student, this is a problem of police not letting us have our rights. >> so tonight's the big night but i mean tell me what was kind of the best part about doing this for you. >> well first of all, that whole week, and i was in san francisco, not los angeles, the disturbances were nation-wide, but that whole week changed my life. i had seen an african american man beaten, now we see all the time in these videos, that was the first time anybody had seen it, so you see that video which seems unjust then you see the police officers exonerated which seems unjust, i'm a law student out there, just protesting, i'm arrested, seems unjust, i left jail saying i'll spend the rest of my life trying to fix this and i have, working on police issues, juvenile issues, prison issues and the crazy thing about it is the only real difference between 30 years ago and now and 30 years ago we had to prove to people there was a problem with police, they didn't believe it. now we have to prove there's a solution for it because everybody knows. that is a big change, but man, we have still a long way to go to fix it. >> it is incredible though you can point to a moment in your life that changed it and so many things you have done, but criminal justice reform you are at the core of all of that and i hope no one ever forgets it. tonight, please watch, special report, fire still burns 30 years after the l.a. riots, it is tonight at 11:00. 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