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shipped off from mariupol to eastern russia some 5,000 miles away. ukrainian officials satellite images offer possible evidence of more mass graves right outside that port city. these images coming to light even as vladimir putin proclaims the city has been, quote, liberated by russian forces. ukraine's ministry of defense claims two more russian generals have been killed after a strike on the command post in kherson. cnn has not yet verified that claim and the kremlin has not yet commented. and ukrainian president zelenskyy says two top u.s. officials secretary of state antony blinken and defense secretary lloyd austin will visit kyiv sunday. matt rivers joins me tonight from kyiv. president zelenskyy speaking about not only high level visitors from the u.s. but setting the expectation for them not to come empty-handed. what does he want? >> pamela, if there's one thing we know about president zelenskyy he does not pull any punches about sending very clear and direct messages to leaders about what he wants. in this case he wants weapons, a consistent message and one we expect him to deliver to secretary of state antony blinken and secretary of defense lloyd austin when they come here to kyiv later on today local time if president zelenskyy, if what he said is going to be true in fact the two men are coming. we haven't gotten confirmation yet this is happening from the white house and from the state department and department of defense. but when they have this meeting it's going to be one where president zelenskyy makes his request known. and he was asked, well, why is it important that world leaders come here to kyiv? >> translator: why is it important for leaders to come to us, i will give you a pragmatic answer. because they should not come here with empty hands now. we're waiting not for just presents we're expecting specific things and specific weapons. >> reporter: no detail yet when that meeting will take place in kyiv, whether we'll hear what was said in that meeting, whether we get any video. meanwhile during the day on saturday more insight into russia's plans for this second phase of the war. for the first time publicly we heard from top russian military leadership saying not only is the goal to capture and control the donbas region in the east where that new offensive has started but they also said for the first time they want to control southern ukraine, and that would include the city of odesa. a large port city that harz largely avoided the kind of bloodshed and violence and yet today that was not the case. there was a missile strike there. russian missiles killing at least eight civilians including a small child, something that president zelenskyy spoke about during his news conference, pamela. actually got visibly choked up, and he says he shares the pain of every ukrainian parent who's lost a child in this war. >> it's just awful. matt rivers, thank you so much. and now to the shattered city of mariupol, the epicenter of ukrainian misery height now as we speak. vladimir putin claims the city has been liberated by russian soldiers, but many citizens are still sheltering under ground while the city is decimated from above. cnn's scott mcclain has this report. >> reporter: satellite images and aerial footage has long shown the scale of the destruction in mariupol. it is difficult to know the full human cost of the siege, but now there are new potential clues. new satellite pictures of a cemetery east of mariupol appear to show freshly dug trenches some 40 meters long. the mariupol mayor's office says that these are mass graves. cnn cannot independently verify the claim. what is not unclear is the dire humanitarian situation inside the city. new video from the ukrainian military shows women and children taking shelter underneath a steel plant where ukrainian troops are making their last stand. inside the russian word for children is spray participated on the walls. a ukrainian soldier says he's bringing gifts, candy and some food. the kids explain how they've passed the time. many of the women and children are the families of plant workers here, and many have been there for 50 days or more. >> translator: i want to get out of here and see the sun. we've been here for two months now, and i want to see the sun. because they switch the lights on and off here, when they rebuild our houses we can live in peace. >> translator: we all really want to return home. we want to return home alive. we all want to see our parents and families. >> reporter: there is little hope those wishes will come true anytime soon. russian troops have surrounded the complex waiting for ukrainian soldiers to surrender as food supplies dwindle. for the rest of mariupol, a human tarrian corridor opened leading west to ukrainian held zaporizhzhia though the mayor's office says russians tricked people for boarding buses bound for a town in russian occupied territory. cnn could not immediately verify the progress of evacuation efforts in the city. in a press conference in a kyiv underground station president zelenskyy proposed a trade with russia in exchange for ukrainian civilians trapped in mariupol. >> translator: we offer civilized people. we suggest humanitarian solution to the situation. we offer exchange of civilians. we offer exchange of the wounded. >> reporter: zelenskyy says he's willing to meet withputep but promised peace talks would be abandoned if ukrainians in mariupol are killed. scott mcclain, cnn, lviv, ukraine. >> mariupol doesn't have a lock on misery. cnn's ed lavandera takes us to a tiny village about two hours north of kyiv where the townspeople were kept in a school basement for weeks on end, human shields for the russian army. >> reporter: war stopped time here. bombs and artillery scorch this village in northern ukraine, russian occupation ravaged the minds of its people. the story of what happened here is just emerging revealing how the russian army held this village hostage for more than 30 days. sophia shows us the underground bunker in her shed where she first hid from the fighting. she says she had food stored here that the russians ate. this is where she slept. sophia says russian soldiers went door-to-door rounding people up and taking them at gunpoint into the basement of the village school. sophia tells us that when the russian soldiers moved them all into the basement of the school building, they were put down there and the soldiers told them they were being put in the basement to die. a woman named natalie took us into the basement where she was trapped. i was in a stupor, natalie tells me. i was just sitting there, praying, hoping it would all stop soon. residents tell us that there were about 350 people held hostage in the basement of this school building. men, women and children forced to live in these horrific conditions. in fact, it was so strangulating, there was so little air circulation that one resident told us that 12 elderly people died here because they couldn't breathe, and their bodies were left while the fighting raged outside. these are some of the only known images captured in the school's basement. the faces say it all. she's telling me that about 35 people slept in this small room. nobody could lay down. they slept kind of sitting with their knees up against their chest. the rooms are littered with makeshift beds, schoolbooks and russian troop meal boxes, but it's the art on the walls that stops you in your tracks. this is how the children pass the time. colorful drawings on a canvas of anguish. the people who were trapped down here etched names onto this concrete wall. they marked days on the calender, crossing out the days as they went by. everything down here has the feel of a world war ii era concentration camp. above the basement russian soldiers took over the school bidding. residents say they were used as human shields. they knew the ukrainian military wouldn't fire at the school with civilians inside. olina grabs food from a humanitarian delivery truck and takes us to her home. russian soldiers threw grenades through her windows and defecated on the house floor. she was also held in the school basement with her 1-year-old daughter. did you think you were going to survive that? i thought my child would not survive, she tells me. i asked them to let me out so the child could breathe fresh air because she felt bad. they said let her die, we don't care. how did you feel when you got out of the basement of the school? she says one of the villagers opened the basement door and said the russians left. the trapped villagers were surprised. in the morning our guys entered the village, she said. we cried. we hugged them and cried. what will you tell your daughter about this experience? nothing, she says. her daughter will not remember it and she will tell her nothing. ed lavandera, cnn, ukraine. >> unimaginable what these people have been through. thank you, ed, for that 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question. dr. matthew is a primary care physician and public health specialist. and dr. jean noble at the university of california san francisco. great to see you both. thank you for taking the time out of your busy schedules to have this important discussion, debate, whatever you want to call it. dr. matthews, i'm going to go to you first because you have been critical over the decision to overturn the cdc's mask extension. why is that? >> hi, pamela. hi, dr. noble. listen, i think my biggest gripe is how it was done. cdc has been largely silent behind the doj saying, hey, this is not a good idea. we need to reinstate mask mandates. i would rather have this come from the cdc, from the world headquarters of the pandemic rather than a judge in florida. and to lift a mask mandate in the midst of a surge, cases are still going up, we're dproesly undercounting cases. the good news is, yes, hospitalizations are down and deaths are significantly down. but we are still in the pandemic, and i think that a mask is one of very many tools, so i don't want to overstate the use of a mask but wearing a good n95 mask, a kn95 mask goes a long way. and people will say, yes, why are you making a big deal? you can still wear a mask. thaelgs true, that's my personal choice. but two-way masking is best compared to one-way masking. >> so dr. noble, what do you have to say to what dr. matthew argued there. does it make sense to stop masking at a time when we're seeing an increase in spread throughout much of the country not necessarily in hospitalizations, although we have seen in an increase in some states. but just the surge going on and the increase in cases and so forth. what do you think? >> right. i think at this stage in the pandemic we really do need to get away from case counts. and in the vast majority of the states in this country hospitalizations remain low and are falling. it's a question of when to pull back these mandates. and the mask mandate in public transportation was due to expire in just two weeks time. so this may be a little bit formulaic in our discussion. living in this hypervigilance and fear is not good. imposing something like masks it needs to be effective and those mandates need to be consistent. and a mask mandate in public transportation really i think fails those criteria. it's okay to attend an indoor basketball game with 20,000 other cheering spectators, without a mask, but then when you get on a very well ventilated airplane you're mandated to put on a mask. and i think the average citizen finds that to be a bit inconsistent. and that can erode our faith in our public health officials. and then the second piece is this mandate effective? and pre-covid we had a good agreement in the scientific community the scientific data are controlled trials. one of them was negative, it didn't show a benefit for surgical masks and the other showed a very modest benefit. about 7% of mask wearers develop s symptomatic covid during the period of use versus 8% of the maskless developing covid. so these are small benefits, and i think that a mandate requiring people to be masked really should meet a higher standard than that. and the lack of a mandate doesn't mean you're forbidden to wear masks. it can create this false sense of reinsurance for people to have cloth masks or surgical masks below their noses rather than a high grade n95 respirator that we would really like to see our most vulnerable wear when they're in high risk situations. >> and that was a lot to unpack there, but i want to hone in on one thing you said there, and feel free to spnrespond to whatu would like, dr. matthew. but dr. matthew, what dr. noble was saying about the inconsistency, you know, when there was a mandate on transportation having to wear a mask on a plane, for example, i had to wear a mask on a plane flying down -- i went to new orleans for the ncaa championship game with carolina, my alma mater and kansas. so wore masks down there and then in this crowded arena where no one was wearing a mask. so i think that's when you were trying to get to, dr. noble. would you like to see a mask mandate in place for those situations, too, dr. matthew? >> well, you know, like i said earlier, pamela, i think that masks is just one of very many tools. i would rather us talk about vaccines and making sure people have received their first booster shot. people 65 and older about 20 million have not gotten their booster shot. but masks is just another layer. for instance, i'm taking my parents to mexico in a couple of weeks. my parents are older. of course now with the lifting of the mask mandates of course i'm a little bit more worried that we need to raise our game. my parents are over the age of 70, so i'm going to have them wear an n95. an n95 where people haven't worn it for four, five hours straight is not very convenient. and i do agree with most of what dr. noble said but just because a young guy decides, hey, i'm going to live a pre-pandemic life, i'm going to go to a football game and then i'm going to sit next to this older 75-year-old female i think your risk goes up higher and now into the pandemic two years later it's all about a viral load. and when you board a plane it's that preboarding, and right before you get off the flight. that is when the risk is the highest. so i think that the viral load will be higher, and if 90% of people in the plane are not masked, then, yes, your risk is higher than it was before the mask mandates were lifted. >> what do you think about that, dr. noble, the unique circumstances of being on a plane, for example, sitting close to others where the air is recirculating who might put, you know, a more vulnerable person at risk if they're not wearing a mask? >> well, this really gets to my previous point about cloth and surgical masks really creating a false sense of reassurance. so i think, dr. matthew, having the -- changing the perspective because there's no mask mandate now he will have his older parents use an n95 is actually a perfect example of that. they will be much safer with an n95, and i agree they are not comfortable. i mean i have to wear them for hours on end, but they offer a lot more protection. so the idea that they would be adequately protected because other people on the plane were wearing cloth masks below their noses is just not borne out by the data. and so if we -- if we let go of that idea and think, okay, well my risk tolerance is then -- i want my parents to wear an n95, i think that's a step in the right direction. it's a more realistic assessment of the risk that is or is not there. >> very quickly, and dr. matthew, i know you said you would still wear a mask. but, dr. noble, if you were to fly today would you wear a mask on a plane now that the mandate isn't in effect right now? >> i would not. you know, i'm fully vaccinated and boosted. my risk of getting seriously ill or hospitalized or dying from covid is quite low, and i am ready. i am ready to move on and to start attending to see many of the unmet health care mental health needs that we have really let slide during this pandemic. and i think the masks do signal this perpetual state of vigilance that i would really like to get away from. >> may i just jump in really quickly? >> yes, go for it. >> what we haven't talked about is also long covid. i'm seeing a lot of patients at work. a 55-year-old marathon runner who got covid four months ago that still has symptoms of shortness of breath through cardiac rehab. so if you get even a mild infection despite being vaccinated you're still at risk of long covid. we're in a very different stage of the pandemic. people aren't necessarily dying if you're vaccinated and boosted. but long corid is still a risk. and if you're not masked and people around you are not masked that risk is also higher. >> and that's why you said you should also not ignore case counts because, you know, even though it's obviously worse being hospitalized to die from this, people can have it and have long covid even if their case is mild. thank you so much. that was such an interesting discussion, and it was really great to hear your points of view. i really appreciate it. thank you again. >> thank you, pamela. >> thanks so much for having us. florida governor ron desantis is taking on disney. he signed a new law removing the company's self-governing status around disney world. but it leaves taxpayers with more than a billion dollars of disney's debt. the miami harold's capital bureau chief joins me live to explain why this is happening. up next. oh i get it. so you can take your old phone, that you've had for 12 years and loved every minute o of, and trade it in for something new w that suits your life now? that's right, yeah. and then enjoy immediate success, even though you'll never forget your old phone. ever. it's a great trade. life-changing. get a free samsung galaxy s22 with any galaxy trade-in. any year. any 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law. but because of the speed with come they did this there wasn't a lot of deliberation about the impact. and so they have given themselves one year before this actually takes effect. so that there are so many unanswered questions. number one is there is -- disney itself has about a billion dollars in debt as part of its, you know, just infrastructure and servicing that debt is normally paid for with its revenue stream. well, if this special taxing district, which is the governing structure that the legislature has just announced it wants repealed, if that's dismantled somebody has to pay for these -- for this unpaid-for debt. the property appraiser -- i'm sorry, the tax collector for orange county has said that that would have to be assumed by local residents. now, the legislature is pushing back, and the governor has said, well, disney has assets and of course we'll sell those assets or use those assets to pay this debt service. that seems like a giant task ahead. and it's really -- nobody seems to have a clear sense as to how -- what are the implications of all this and how far the legislature is really willing to go. in many ways it was really, i think, intended to send a very loud message, and it's worked pretty effectively because as you see we're talking about it. and the message i think the governor wants to send is, you know, don't criticize our policies. >> but, of course, formally, you know, when he says why is he doing this, he has said this change in disney's status came about the special district was an unfair entity that needed to be addressed despite the fact it's been in place for nearly 50 years. and he also said this. >> you're a corporation based in burbank, california, and you're going to marshal your economic might to attack the parents of my state. we view that as a provocation, and we're going to fight back against that. i don't think walt would appreciate what's going on in this company right now. i'm sorry. >> so is this status change a long overdue change or punishment for opposing the don't say gay bill? and of course the big question is will disney move out of florida? >> you know, i think that's a -- that is just such a long shot. number one, the -- the question of whether or not this was a long overdue, you know, review, the legislature has a lot of oversight and a lot of oversight authority. and it has never suggested that it needs to look at this particular special taxing district. there are over 1,800 special taxing districts in florida. there is a very large criticism of how these things have been, you know, assembled over the years and the special privileges many of these taxing districts have. the legislature has been asked by many advocates for years to take a look at these, see what and how fair it is. but the legislature has been very reluctant to do it. in fact, disney has been one of the largest contributors to legislative campaign coffers. they hold the annual republican and democrat conventions on disney property. they have special campaign fundraising. disney and the legislature are very closely entwined. and it's been that way for decades. so this idea that all of a sudden they are doing some oversight they have neglected is really hard to fathom. so even the house sponsor of the bill acknowledged that if disney hadn't been so outspoken with its position on the legislation -- what's known as the parental rights in education bill, also known as the don't say gay bill. they acknowledge that if disney hadn't provoked them this may not have happened. >> provoked them by taking a stance against the zblil yes. >> hair mary ellen klas. thank you so much. >> thank you. house republican leader kevin mccarthy denied he was going to ask then president trump to resign. but now there is a recording that has surfaced. the latest on the fallout from the january 6 insurrection up next . pain hits fast. so get relief fast. only tylenol rapid release gels have laser drilled holes. they release 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a lot of i don't know and i don't remember. she claimed that she could not recall saying that she opposed the peaceful transfer of power to president biden. and her testimony did not establish that she had direct coordination with any of the rioters. that's a major hole in the challengers case. take a listen to part of her testimony from the hearing on friday. >> prior to january 6th, representative greene, did anyone ever mention to you the possibility that there might be violence in washington on january 6th, 2021. >> i don't remember. >> later greene was confronted with her own words when lawyers for the challengers tried to connect her rhetoric with the violence on january 6th. among other things they cited a facebook post she once liked which called for the assassination of house speaker nancy pelosi. greene said on the stand that she has no idea who liked that post. now, pam, it will be an uphill climb for the challengers to succeed. and the judge appeared skeptical of some of their arguments. he is expected to issue his recommendation in the next few weeks. and that recommendation will be taken up by georgia secretary of state brad raffensperger who will decide if greene stays on the ballot. the primary election here in georgia is on map 24th. pam. >> thanks, marshall. kevin mccarthy is doing damage control tonight. newly released audio tapes by "the new york times" revealed the top republican considered asking then president trump to resign in the days after the january 6th attack. take a listen. >> our discussion i did have with him is that i think this will pass and it would be my recommendation he should resign. >> cnn's melanie zenona with me now. melanie his office as we know denied asking trump to resign. then the receipt showed up. the tapes how is he responding now. >> he didn't speak out. we asked his office multiple times way did you lie about this and there were tapes saying you did say this he did break silence last night. he didn't have a good explanation. basically what he said is i never asked trump to resign which "the new york times" never reported that. no one reported that. he said basically he was walking through scenarios of options of what could happen in trump's fate and those immediate days after january 6th. but look we can't gloss over how significant and damning this is for kevin meriwether. not only did he say he was going to to ask the then president to resign but he said i've had it with this guy. he is to blame at least in part for the deadly attack on the capitol. as we know it didn't take long for him to go back to try to suck up to trump and get back in his good graces. he is fully embraced donald trump since then and will support him if trump runs for president in 2024. >> we are getting in some sad news to cnn. former utah senator oren hatch has died at the age of 88. he was the longest serving republican senator, retired in 2019, of course mitt romney took his seat. really, you know, someone very well-known in republican circles. i mean, if you lived in washington, covered the hill be knew oren hatch. >> absolutely. he is responsible for passing a lot of legislation into law. he was the head of multiple committees throughout his tenure including the finance committee at a time when republicans did pass the 2017 gop tax law, which was a significant achievement for the republican party. he also -- he was a composer. loved to play music some of his songs are featured in ocean 13, ocean 12. and he was just a statesman. very revolved on capitol hill, very known, kind of this by gone era that we see on capitol hill where he was establish many, worked across the aisle and well laked by both sides. >> 42 years in the senate think about how long that is. >> that's a an incredibly long time, right. >> absolutely. we are just learning tonight the sad news. so anything else that you're learning about it? >> well, we just learned this news tonight. you know, we'll see whether there are 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he was the one subjected to mental and physical abuse. >> it could begin with a slap. it could begin with a shove. it could begin with, you know, throwing a tv remote at my head. it could be throwing a glass of wine in my face. >> reporter: depp testified on one occasion in 2015 hurd threw a vodka bottle at him severing his finger tip which she exepedite and that during a separate incident she put out a cigarette on his face. on thursday, though, hurd's attorney attempted to cast a different light on the oscar nominated actor using his history of substance abuse. >> you would sometimes drink whiskey in the mornings too during this time period? >> i -- isn't happy hour any time? >> one of your good friends you've taken drugs with before is marilyn manson. >> wave had cocaine together a couple of times. >> reporter: testimony turned more crude when the defense used depp's text messages to a friend to show rage towards her. >> after you said let's drown her before we burn her mr. depp. >> yes you said i will [ bleep ] her burnt corps afterwards to make sure she is dead. >> and id video showing irate depp played in court thursday by the defense. >> oh you're crazy. >> depp responded saying he did not assault hurd during the recorded tie raid. >> evidence on both sides they have perpetrated domestic violence. at the end of the day the jury is tasked with deciding? a relationship of mutual combat? and how does that impact her statement in the op-ed that she is merely a victim of domestic violence? it sounds like wove two perpetrators. >> the jury heads back to court to hear more testimony. hurd has yet to take the stand in her defense. paolo sandoval, cnn, new york. breaking news this hour, longtime utah senator orrin hatch has died at the age of 88. much more on his life and legacy ahead. and then ukrainian officials say they have evidence of more mass graves outside mariupol. we're going to show you the satellite images here in the cnn newsroom. . you can't preventt 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shipped off from mariupol to eastern russia some 5,000 miles away. ukrainian officials satellite images offer possible evidence of more mass graves right outside that port city. these images coming to light even as vladimir putin proclaims the city has been, quote, liberated by russian forces. ukraine's ministry of defense claims two more russian generals have been killed after a strike on the command post in kherson. cnn has not yet verified that claim and the kremlin has not yet commented. and ukrainian president zelenskyy says two top u.s. officials secretary of state antony blinken and defense secretary lloyd austin will visit kyiv sunday. matt rivers joins me tonight from kyiv. president zelenskyy speaking about not only high level visitors from the u.s. but setting the expectation for them not to come empty-handed. what does he want? >> pamela, if there's one thing we know about president zelenskyy he does not pull any punches about sending very clear and direct messages to leaders about what he wants. in this case he wants weapons, a consistent message and one we expect him to deliver to secretary of state antony blinken and secretary of defense lloyd austin when they come here to kyiv later on today local time if president zelenskyy, if what he said is going to be true in fact the two men are coming. we haven't gotten confirmation yet this is happening from the white house and from the state department and department of defense. but when they have this meeting it's going to be one where president zelenskyy makes his request known. and he was asked, well, why is it important that world leaders come here to kyiv? >> translator: why is it important for leaders to come to us, i will give you a pragmatic answer. because they should not come here with empty hands now. we're waiting not for just presents we're expecting specific things and specific weapons. >> reporter: no detail yet when that meeting will take place in kyiv, whether we'll hear what was said in that meeting, whether we get any video. meanwhile during the day on saturday more insight into russia's plans for this second phase of the war. for the first time publicly we heard from top russian military leadership saying not only is the goal to capture and control the donbas region in the east where that new offensive has started but they also said for the first time they want to control southern ukraine, and that would include the city of odesa. a large port city that harz largely avoided the kind of bloodshed and violence and yet today that was not the case. there was a missile strike there. russian missiles killing at least eight civilians including a small child, something that president zelenskyy spoke about during his news conference, pamela. actually got visibly choked up, and he says he shares the pain of every ukrainian parent who's lost a child in this war. >> it's just awful. matt rivers, thank you so much. and now to the shattered city of mariupol, the epicenter of ukrainian misery height now as we speak. vladimir putin claims the city has been liberated by russian soldiers, but many citizens are still sheltering under ground while the city is decimated from above. cnn's scott mcclain has this report. >> reporter: satellite images and aerial footage has long shown the scale of the destruction in mariupol. it is difficult to know the full human cost of the siege, but now there are new potential clues. new satellite pictures of a cemetery east of mariupol appear to show freshly dug trenches some 40 meters long. the mariupol mayor's office says that these are mass graves. cnn cannot independently verify the claim. what is not unclear is the dire humanitarian situation inside the city. new video from the ukrainian military shows women and children taking shelter underneath a steel plant where ukrainian troops are making their last stand. inside the russian word for children is spray participated on the walls. a ukrainian soldier says he's bringing gifts, candy and some food. the kids explain how they've passed the time. many of the women and children are the families of plant workers here, and many have been there for 50 days or more. >> translator: i want to get out of here and see the sun. we've been here for two months now, and i want to see the sun. because they switch the lights on and off here, when they rebuild our houses we can live in peace. >> translator: we all really want to return home. we want to return home alive. we all want to see our parents and families. >> reporter: there is little hope those wishes will come true anytime soon. russian troops have surrounded the complex waiting for ukrainian soldiers to surrender as food supplies dwindle. for the rest of mariupol, a human tarrian corridor opened leading west to ukrainian held zaporizhzhia though the mayor's office says russians tricked people for boarding buses bound for a town in russian occupied territory. cnn could not immediately verify the progress of evacuation efforts in the city. in a press conference in a kyiv underground station president zelenskyy proposed a trade with russia in exchange for ukrainian civilians trapped in mariupol. >> translator: we offer civilized people. we suggest humanitarian solution to the situation. we offer exchange of civilians. we offer exchange of the wounded. >> reporter: zelenskyy says he's willing to meet withputep but promised peace talks would be abandoned if ukrainians in mariupol are killed. scott mcclain, cnn, lviv, ukraine. >> mariupol doesn't have a lock on misery. cnn's ed lavandera takes us to a tiny village about two hours north of kyiv where the townspeople were kept in a school basement for weeks on end, human shields for the russian army. >> reporter: war stopped time here. bombs and artillery scorch this village in northern ukraine, russian occupation ravaged the minds of its people. the story of what happened here is just emerging revealing how the russian army held this village hostage for more than 30 days. sophia shows us the underground bunker in her shed where she first hid from the fighting. she says she had food stored here that the russians ate. this is where she slept. sophia says russian soldiers went door-to-door rounding people up and taking them at gunpoint into the basement of the village school. sophia tells us that when the russian soldiers moved them all into the basement of the school building, they were put down there and the soldiers told them they were being put in the basement to die. a woman named natalie took us into the basement where she was trapped. i was in a stupor, natalie tells me. i was just sitting there, praying, hoping it would all stop soon. residents tell us that there were about 350 people held hostage in the basement of this school building. men, women and children forced to live in these horrific conditions. in fact, it was so strangulating, there was so little air circulation that one resident told us that 12 elderly people died here because they couldn't breathe, and their bodies were left while the fighting raged outside. these are some of the only known images captured in the school's basement. the faces say it all. she's telling me that about 35 people slept in this small room. nobody could lay down. they slept kind of sitting with their knees up against their chest. the rooms are littered with makeshift beds, schoolbooks and russian troop meal boxes, but it's the art on the walls that stops you in your tracks. this is how the children pass the time. colorful drawings on a canvas of anguish. the people who were trapped down here etched names onto this concrete wall. they marked days on the calender, crossing out the days as they went by. everything down here has the feel of a world war ii era concentration camp. above the basement russian soldiers took over the school bidding. residents say they were used as human shields. they knew the ukrainian military wouldn't fire at the school with civilians inside. olina grabs food from a humanitarian delivery truck and takes us to her home. russian soldiers threw grenades through her windows and defecated on the house floor. she was also held in the school basement with her 1-year-old daughter. did you think you were going to survive that? i thought my child would not survive, she tells me. i asked them to let me out so the child could breathe fresh air because she felt bad. they said let her die, we don't care. how did you feel when you got out of the basement of the school? she says one of the villagers opened the basement door and said the russians left. the trapped villagers were surprised. in the morning our guys entered the village, she said. we cried. we hugged them and cried. what will you tell your daughter about this experience? nothing, she says. her daughter will not remember it and she will tell her nothing. ed lavandera, cnn, ukraine. >> unimaginable what these people have been through. thank you, ed, for that 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question. dr. matthew is a primary care physician and public health specialist. and dr. jean noble at the university of california san francisco. great to see you both. thank you for taking the time out of your busy schedules to have this important discussion, debate, whatever you want to call it. dr. matthews, i'm going to go to you first because you have been critical over the decision to overturn the cdc's mask extension. why is that? >> hi, pamela. hi, dr. noble. listen, i think my biggest gripe is how it was done. cdc has been largely silent behind the doj saying, hey, this is not a good idea. we need to reinstate mask mandates. i would rather have this come from the cdc, from the world headquarters of the pandemic rather than a judge in florida. and to lift a mask mandate in the midst of a surge, cases are still going up, we're dproesly undercounting cases. the good news is, yes, hospitalizations are down and deaths are significantly down. but we are still in the pandemic, and i think that a mask is one of very many tools, so i don't want to overstate the use of a mask but wearing a good n95 mask, a kn95 mask goes a long way. and people will say, yes, why are you making a big deal? you can still wear a mask. thaelgs true, that's my personal choice. but two-way masking is best compared to one-way masking. >> so dr. noble, what do you have to say to what dr. matthew argued there. does it make sense to stop masking at a time when we're seeing an increase in spread throughout much of the country not necessarily in hospitalizations, although we have seen in an increase in some states. but just the surge going on and the increase in cases and so forth. what do you think? >> right. i think at this stage in the pandemic we really do need to get away from case counts. and in the vast majority of the states in this country hospitalizations remain low and are falling. it's a question of when to pull back these mandates. and the mask mandate in public transportation was due to expire in just two weeks time. so this may be a little bit formulaic in our discussion. living in this hypervigilance and fear is not good. imposing something like masks it needs to be effective and those mandates need to be consistent. and a mask mandate in public transportation really i think fails those criteria. it's okay to attend an indoor basketball game with 20,000 other cheering spectators, without a mask, but then when you get on a very well ventilated airplane you're mandated to put on a mask. and i think the average citizen finds that to be a bit inconsistent. and that can erode our faith in our public health officials. and then the second piece is this mandate effective? and pre-covid we had a good agreement in the scientific community the scientific data are controlled trials. one of them was negative, it didn't show a benefit for surgical masks and the other showed a very modest benefit. about 7% of mask wearers develop s symptomatic covid during the period of use versus 8% of the maskless developing covid. so these are small benefits, and i think that a mandate requiring people to be masked really should meet a higher standard than that. and the lack of a mandate doesn't mean you're forbidden to wear masks. it can create this false sense of reinsurance for people to have cloth masks or surgical masks below their noses rather than a high grade n95 respirator that we would really like to see our most vulnerable wear when they're in high risk situations. >> and that was a lot to unpack there, but i want to hone in on one thing you said there, and feel free to spnrespond to whatu would like, dr. matthew. but dr. matthew, what dr. noble was saying about the inconsistency, you know, when there was a mandate on transportation having to wear a mask on a plane, for example, i had to wear a mask on a plane flying down -- i went to new orleans for the ncaa championship game with carolina, my alma mater and kansas. so wore masks down there and then in this crowded arena where no one was wearing a mask. so i think that's when you were trying to get to, dr. noble. would you like to see a mask mandate in place for those situations, too, dr. matthew? >> well, you know, like i said earlier, pamela, i think that masks is just one of very many tools. i would rather us talk about vaccines and making sure people have received their first booster shot. people 65 and older about 20 million have not gotten their booster shot. but masks is just another layer. for instance, i'm taking my parents to mexico in a couple of weeks. my parents are older. of course now with the lifting of the mask mandates of course i'm a little bit more worried that we need to raise our game. my parents are over the age of 70, so i'm going to have them wear an n95. an n95 where people haven't worn it for four, five hours straight is not very convenient. and i do agree with most of what dr. noble said but just because a young guy decides, hey, i'm going to live a pre-pandemic life, i'm going to go to a football game and then i'm going to sit next to this older 75-year-old female i think your risk goes up higher and now into the pandemic two years later it's all about a viral load. and when you board a plane it's that preboarding, and right before you get off the flight. that is when the risk is the highest. so i think that the viral load will be higher, and if 90% of people in the plane are not masked, then, yes, your risk is higher than it was before the mask mandates were lifted. >> what do you think about that, dr. noble, the unique circumstances of being on a plane, for example, sitting close to others where the air is recirculating who might put, you know, a more vulnerable person at risk if they're not wearing a mask? >> well, this really gets to my previous point about cloth and surgical masks really creating a false sense of reassurance. so i think, dr. matthew, having the -- changing the perspective because there's no mask mandate now he will have his older parents use an n95 is actually a perfect example of that. they will be much safer with an n95, and i agree they are not comfortable. i mean i have to wear them for hours on end, but they offer a lot more protection. so the idea that they would be adequately protected because other people on the plane were wearing cloth masks below their noses is just not borne out by the data. and so if we -- if we let go of that idea and think, okay, well my risk tolerance is then -- i want my parents to wear an n95, i think that's a step in the right direction. it's a more realistic assessment of the risk that is or is not there. >> very quickly, and dr. matthew, i know you said you would still wear a mask. but, dr. noble, if you were to fly today would you wear a mask on a plane now that the mandate isn't in effect right now? >> i would not. you know, i'm fully vaccinated and boosted. my risk of getting seriously ill or hospitalized or dying from covid is quite low, and i am ready. i am ready to move on and to start attending to see many of the unmet health care mental health needs that we have really let slide during this pandemic. and i think the masks do signal this perpetual state of vigilance that i would really like to get away from. >> may i just jump in really quickly? >> yes, go for it. >> what we haven't talked about is also long covid. i'm seeing a lot of patients at work. a 55-year-old marathon runner who got covid four months ago that still has symptoms of shortness of breath through cardiac rehab. so if you get even a mild infection despite being vaccinated you're still at risk of long covid. we're in a very different stage of the pandemic. people aren't necessarily dying if you're vaccinated and boosted. but long corid is still a risk. and if you're not masked and people around you are not masked that risk is also higher. >> and that's why you said you should also not ignore case counts because, you know, even though it's obviously worse being hospitalized to die from this, people can have it and have long covid even if their case is mild. thank you so much. that was such an interesting discussion, and it was really great to hear your points of view. i really appreciate it. thank you again. >> thank you, pamela. >> thanks so much for having us. florida governor ron desantis is taking on disney. he signed a new law removing the company's self-governing status around disney world. but it leaves taxpayers with more than a billion dollars of disney's debt. the miami harold's capital bureau chief joins me live to explain why this is happening. up next. oh i get it. so you can take your old phone, that you've had for 12 years and loved every minute o of, and trade it in for something new w that suits your life now? that's right, yeah. and then enjoy immediate success, even though you'll never forget your old phone. ever. it's a great trade. life-changing. get a free samsung galaxy s22 with any galaxy trade-in. any year. any 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law. but because of the speed with come they did this there wasn't a lot of deliberation about the impact. and so they have given themselves one year before this actually takes effect. so that there are so many unanswered questions. number one is there is -- disney itself has about a billion dollars in debt as part of its, you know, just infrastructure and servicing that debt is normally paid for with its revenue stream. well, if this special taxing district, which is the governing structure that the legislature has just announced it wants repealed, if that's dismantled somebody has to pay for these -- for this unpaid-for debt. the property appraiser -- i'm sorry, the tax collector for orange county has said that that would have to be assumed by local residents. now, the legislature is pushing back, and the governor has said, well, disney has assets and of course we'll sell those assets or use those assets to pay this debt service. that seems like a giant task ahead. and it's really -- nobody seems to have a clear sense as to how -- what are the implications of all this and how far the legislature is really willing to go. in many ways it was really, i think, intended to send a very loud message, and it's worked pretty effectively because as you see we're talking about it. and the message i think the governor wants to send is, you know, don't criticize our policies. >> but, of course, formally, you know, when he says why is he doing this, he has said this change in disney's status came about the special district was an unfair entity that needed to be addressed despite the fact it's been in place for nearly 50 years. and he also said this. >> you're a corporation based in burbank, california, and you're going to marshal your economic might to attack the parents of my state. we view that as a provocation, and we're going to fight back against that. i don't think walt would appreciate what's going on in this company right now. i'm sorry. >> so is this status change a long overdue change or punishment for opposing the don't say gay bill? and of course the big question is will disney move out of florida? >> you know, i think that's a -- that is just such a long shot. number one, the -- the question of whether or not this was a long overdue, you know, review, the legislature has a lot of oversight and a lot of oversight authority. and it has never suggested that it needs to look at this particular special taxing district. there are over 1,800 special taxing districts in florida. there is a very large criticism of how these things have been, you know, assembled over the years and the special privileges many of these taxing districts have. the legislature has been asked by many advocates for years to take a look at these, see what and how fair it is. but the legislature has been very reluctant to do it. in fact, disney has been one of the largest contributors to legislative campaign coffers. they hold the annual republican and democrat conventions on disney property. they have special campaign fundraising. disney and the legislature are very closely entwined. and it's been that way for decades. so this idea that all of a sudden they are doing some oversight they have neglected is really hard to fathom. so even the house sponsor of the bill acknowledged that if disney hadn't been so outspoken with its position on the legislation -- what's known as the parental rights in education bill, also known as the don't say gay bill. they acknowledge that if disney hadn't provoked them this may not have happened. >> provoked them by taking a stance against the zblil yes. >> hair mary ellen klas. thank you so much. >> thank you. house republican leader kevin mccarthy denied he was going to ask then president trump to resign. but now there is a recording that has surfaced. the latest on the fallout from the january 6 insurrection up next . pain hits fast. so get relief fast. only tylenol rapid release gels have laser drilled holes. they release 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a lot of i don't know and i don't remember. she claimed that she could not recall saying that she opposed the peaceful transfer of power to president biden. and her testimony did not establish that she had direct coordination with any of the rioters. that's a major hole in the challengers case. take a listen to part of her testimony from the hearing on friday. >> prior to january 6th, representative greene, did anyone ever mention to you the possibility that there might be violence in washington on january 6th, 2021. >> i don't remember. >> later greene was confronted with her own words when lawyers for the challengers tried to connect her rhetoric with the violence on january 6th. among other things they cited a facebook post she once liked which called for the assassination of house speaker nancy pelosi. greene said on the stand that she has no idea who liked that post. now, pam, it will be an uphill climb for the challengers to succeed. and the judge appeared skeptical of some of their arguments. he is expected to issue his recommendation in the next few weeks. and that recommendation will be taken up by georgia secretary of state brad raffensperger who will decide if greene stays on the ballot. the primary election here in georgia is on map 24th. pam. >> thanks, marshall. kevin mccarthy is doing damage control tonight. newly released audio tapes by "the new york times" revealed the top republican considered asking then president trump to resign in the days after the january 6th attack. take a listen. >> our discussion i did have with him is that i think this will pass and it would be my recommendation he should resign. >> cnn's melanie zenona with me now. melanie his office as we know denied asking trump to resign. then the receipt showed up. the tapes how is he responding now. >> he didn't speak out. we asked his office multiple times way did you lie about this and there were tapes saying you did say this he did break silence last night. he didn't have a good explanation. basically what he said is i never asked trump to resign which "the new york times" never reported that. no one reported that. he said basically he was walking through scenarios of options of what could happen in trump's fate and those immediate days after january 6th. but look we can't gloss over how significant and damning this is for kevin meriwether. not only did he say he was going to to ask the then president to resign but he said i've had it with this guy. he is to blame at least in part for the deadly attack on the capitol. as we know it didn't take long for him to go back to try to suck up to trump and get back in his good graces. he is fully embraced donald trump since then and will support him if trump runs for president in 2024. >> we are getting in some sad news to cnn. former utah senator oren hatch has died at the age of 88. he was the longest serving republican senator, retired in 2019, of course mitt romney took his seat. really, you know, someone very well-known in republican circles. i mean, if you lived in washington, covered the hill be knew oren hatch. >> absolutely. he is responsible for passing a lot of legislation into law. he was the head of multiple committees throughout his tenure including the finance committee at a time when republicans did pass the 2017 gop tax law, which was a significant achievement for the republican party. he also -- he was a composer. loved to play music some of his songs are featured in ocean 13, ocean 12. and he was just a statesman. very revolved on capitol hill, very known, kind of this by gone era that we see on capitol hill where he was establish many, worked across the aisle and well laked by both sides. >> 42 years in the senate think about how long that is. >> that's a an incredibly long time, right. >> absolutely. we are just learning tonight the sad news. so anything else that you're learning about it? >> well, we just learned this news tonight. you know, we'll see whether there are arrangements made on capitol hill. sometimes when lawmakers even ones that are retired pass away any will have some sort of arrangements. i'm sure even if they're not lying in state situation that lawmakers will make an effort to go to wherever his funeral services are. >> all right, thank you so much melanie. appreciate it and of course we will keep you updated on this unfolding story. and we'll be right back. he jar. to gelato made from scratch. raise the jar to all five layers.. raise the e jar to the best gelato... you've ever tasted. talenti. raise the jar. i didn't know my genetic report could tell me i was prone to harmful blood clots. i travel a ton, so this info was kind of life changing. maybe even lifesaving. ♪do you know what the future holds?♪ right before mike decided to say yes... he learned he had ibs-c and could treat it with linzess. it explained why his constipation with belly pain wouldn't go away. and why the belly pain, discomfort, and bloating couldn't be kept at 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