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down, john bernham in, telling cnn the ukrainian claim that their missile was responsible is believed to be credible. as for just how credible, one other source familiar with the latest intelligence says the u.s. believes ukraine's version of events, which russia disputes, with, quote, medium competence. ukraine's national security adviser speaking to cnn's fred pleitgen tonight had this warning for vladimir putin. >> translator: that is our gift to him, and this is just the beginning. this is just the beginning. there will be more than one moscova. >> more on this tonight which has been a galvanizing development in the war, also a nuclear weapons warning for russia in response to finland and sweden now considering joining nato and there are multiple developments on russia's building offensive in eastern ukraine, senior american defense official tonight says russian troops pulled from their defeat in northern ukraine are now appearing in the east. and across the area, the shelling is already intense. >> ukrainian officials say the offensive in the donbas region, eastern part of ukraine, has begun. perhaps it has. >> whatever you call it, it has apparently been building since ben weiderman filed that report with widespread shelling across the area according to ukrainian military officials and from the liberated suburbs of kyiv, just staggering images. this was an apartment complex in bordyanka, town subject first to russian bombardment, then occupation, then brutality as russian troops retreated . not far from there in bucha, international criminal courts chief prosecutor surveyed the destruction and summed it up this way -- ukraine, he said, is a crime scene. we have to pierce the fog of war to get to the truth. doing that for us tonight, cnn's chief international correspondent clarissa ward just back from the front lines as cnn's ben wiederman as well, cnn's kaitlan collins at the white house and matthew chance with more on the sinking of the moscova. first, this from clarissa ward. >> reporter: the town of abdivka is no stranger to war. eight years, this has been the frontline of ukraine's battle with russian-backed separatists. people here are used to shelling. they have have never experienced anything like this. a missile can be heard overhead, as emotional man approaches us. they smashed the old part of town, he says. as we talk, the artillery intensifies. i told him it's better to go home now because there's a lot of shelling and he said there's more shelling where he lives. as russia prepares a major offensive in the east, frontline towns like abdivka are getting pummelled. so you can hear constant bombardment. this is the bombshells are down here, but you can see this building is already been hit. more than 40 people are now living in what used to be a clothing store. lida and her two sons have been here for three weeks. she wants to leave but says her boys are too scared to go outside. we're afraid to stay and afraid to go, she tells us. but it's fate. whether you run or don't run. an apartment block, an icon of the virgin mary has been painted. plea for protection, but there is no respite from the bombardment. if you look over here, you can see the remnants of some fresh strikes. 37-year-old government worker rodislav looks at what remains of his family home. he takes us inside to see the full scale of the destruction. it's completely destroyed. mercifuly, no one was at home at the time of the strike. his family has already left, but he says he plans to stay. i'm afraid, like anybody else, only the dead aren't afraid, he tells us. but a lot of people are still here in abdivka living in bomb shelters, and we need to support them. authorities say roughly 2,000 people remain in this town. there is no water, no heat, electricity is spotty. the local school has become a hub to gather aid and distribute it to the community. volunteer igor galotav spends his days visiting the elderly and disabled, today, checking in on 86-year-old lydia, petrified and alone, he has yet to find an organization willing to come and evacuate her. when there's no electricity and it's so dark and there's shelling, she says, you can't imagine how scary it is. she tells us, she recites prayers to get through the night. i never imagined that my end would be like this, she says. you can't even die here, because there's no one to provide a burial ceremony. for igor, it is agony not to be able to do more. i promise you, he says, i will help you to be evacuated. as we leave, lydia is reluctant to say goodbye, it is terrifying to live through this time. to do it alone is torture. it's so nice to see real people, she says. probably, it's going to get worse. a prediction all but certain to come true, as a second russian offensive draws near. >> and clarissa ward joins us now along with kaitlan collins and ben weiderman, first of all, the constant shelling, like a nonstop thunderstorm but let me ask about lydia who says i can't even die here because there's no one to bury me. do you know if she was able to be evacuated? do you have an update? >> reporter: very sadly, john, she has not been evacuated yet, and i have to say that walking out of that apartment and leaving her alone in that state was really one of the hardest things i've done as a journalist. i know that igor is working really hard, the volunteer to try to find someone, but she needs, the way they explained it to me, she needs a chaperone to help her leave this area. she's in a wheelchair, she requires significant assistance. she doesn't have any money, doesn't have any family here in ukraine. ironically, her son actually lives in russia, is aware of what's going on and was the one to actually call igor and this volunteer group and, but so far, they just have not been able to find a way to get her out and also to find an appropriate facility to send her to, and this is something we're hearing again and again when we talk to people in abdivka, there are so many people who would actually be open to leaving, but they're concerned that they don't have any money, don't know where they're going to go, and the logistics are just not really in place yet to give these people some serious options, john. >> she didn't want to let go of your hand, just devastating. man, you visited a city just five hours east of mariupol, i want to play a portion of a piece you filed. let's watch. >> reporter: sitting on a hospital bed, riana recounts the night her house was hit. i was in the kitchen and it started, she says. her home is now in ruins. more than 20 corpses lie scattered in the hospital's morgue, wrapped in sheets and blankets, awaiting burial. >> so ben, as you travel, can you describe the destruction you've seen, and what you think the russians' goal might be? >> reporter: well, in donetsk, what we saw was a city subjected to, not massive bombardment in times of size of ordinance but rather relentless bombardment by what seems to be cluster munitions so you can barely find a house or building that hasn't been in some way damaged, there is broken glass everywhere, there are small knots of people walking around town, many of them looking for food. now there is food available at distribution centers, but for the most part, it has to be brought to people by volunteers who really are risking their lives driving their own cars, going from building to building, handing out food. but really, what struck me in that city was just the utter sort of random nature of the bombardment. there was clearly no intention to specifically target military positions. it's just everywhere, and obviously, in the city, most places are civilian institution -- installations, or houses, excuse me. and really, the feeling i got there was that the russian goal is simply to terrorize people, to demoralize people, to bring life to its lowest level. electricity there didn't work much of the time. there's very little in the way of running water, and the russians are really just up the road. this is, it's next, adjacent to a town where the russians occupy most of it. there's street fighting going on and the ukrainian military says they believe that severodonetsk could be the next city the russians try to take. >> i'll say, there is so much suffering. the world sees it, but the ukrainians bear it. and kaitlan, you know, obviously the white house is seeing what's going on there in reports like we're seeing from clarissa and ben here, what's the latest on whether the president is going to dispatch a high level envoy and how much pressure does it put on the white house the fact that the british prime minister boris johnson did go to kyiv. >> reporter: i don't know if it puts pressure on the white house, john, but definitely puts questions to them whether this is something president biden himself wants to do, of course remember when he was in warsaw said he actually wanted to go to ukraine, a few weeks ago and said he wasn't allowed to because of safety reasons and the determinations they make about sending a president into a warzone where there's no u.s. troop presence, but did confirm today, they are talking privately about sending someone from the biden administration to ukraine, and i'm told right now it's very unlikely that would be president biden or vice-president harris they just say that is not something that's currently in the works here at the white house, but maybe defense secretary austin or secretary of state blinken, somebody high profile to go there as a show of symbolic support right now because of course we talked about the intelligence sharing, talked about the weapons the u.s. is providing to ukraine but also having a presidential visit, presidential-level visit, someone from his delegation to go into ukraine would be another show of support, but i think the one thing they're wrestling with is obviously it's an active warzone, you saw ben and clarissa's reports of what's happening on the ground, warning of another offensive in the east and logisticsly speaking, it's very difficult, prime minister boris johnson had to take a helicopter, car, several hour train ride to get there. you can't just fly into ukraine like you typically would, i think all of that is being under consideration as they're discussing this. >> so clarissa, you reported on the atrocities in syria that occurred under the russian general that is being called "the butcher of syria" how do you think russian tactics may change under his leadership, especially as the russians form this sort of three-pronged offensive in the east? >> reporter: well, i think you can expect to see more brute force, you know, i think what ben said there was very important, the idea here is not to necessarily hit any one specific, strategic objective. the idea is to terrorize to make it clear to ordinary civilians t there is no possibility of having a normal life and this is something we saw over and over again in syria, with, you know, schools were attacked, hospitals were attacked. i witnessed a fruit market that was bombed, and the other big difference though, i would say, between what we saw in syria and what we're seeing here was syria was really about russia taking ownership of the skies, engaging in brutal bombardment but having a relatively light foot print on the ground, relying a lot on the syrian army and its various proxies in the form of hesbalah and others, the situation here is quite different, airspace still contested which is in itself a remarkable thing, and they are certainly going to face a formidable resistance as we saw in the sort of northern failed offensive from ukrainian forces and ukrainian forces are also significantly more sophisticated both in their makeup and in weaponry than the serial rebels were so this is going to be a different battle to what we saw in syria, but i think you can expect from general alexander vornikov to see some of these very brutal tactics, particularly if it becomes clear that russia is not getting the victory that it so desperately covets at this stage in an expedient manner. the minute their backs are up against a wall, you can expect to see them resort to the kind of truly horrendous attacks we've seen, for example, in the southeastern city of mariupol. >> ben weiderman you're in krematorsk i understand you've been hearing some shelling, tell us what's going on? >> reporter: yeah this has been going on quite a few hours, not in the city itself, i think, but in the outskirts of the city, but not necessarily unusual. tonight it's a little bit more, but for instance this afternoon, there was a factory that was hit and a missile strike and this city has very much is kind of right in the middle of what is expected to be pincer movement from the north and south and possibly from the east as well. this is from the administrative center for the ukrainian part of the donbas region, and it would be a very important target for the russians if they were to move ahead, and they probably will. >> ben weiderman, kaitlan collins, clarissa ward all doing such important reporting. thank you. military analysts weigh in on how significant the sinking of the moskova is, plus the latest on a russian fleet that is not sinking but sure is shrinking, this one mega yacht, this one worth $160 million is seized. a new wake in new york subway's system and why cameras in the stage when n the inciden happened were useless. ♪ so o different and so new ♪ ♪ was like any other... ♪ where do you find the perfect project manager? well, we found him in adelaide between his daily lunch delivery and an 8:15 meeting with his client in san francisco. ...but you can find him, and millions of other talented pros, ght now on upwork. since i left for college, my dad has gotten back into some of his old hobbies. and now he's taking trulicity, and it looks like he's gotten into some new healthier habits, too. what changes are you making for your type 2 diabetes? 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antiship missiles at that ship and set it ablaze and started to capsize and sunk it, the u.s., actually past hours have been staying out of this says it finds the ukrainian version of events, that it fired missiles at this ship as being somewhat credible, so the u.s. are erring on the side of the ukrainian story. it's interesting, because the ship, the moscova is a ship that we've seen before, actually, was on board of it in 2015 when it was off the coast of syria and i got a first hand look at how formidable a weapon it is, or was, for the kremlin. the now sunken flagship of russia black sea fleet, the moscova was always about intimidation and delivering a blunt message from the kremlin whether to ukraine or elsewhere. well this is an extremely impressive bit of military hardware out here in the eastern mediterranean. when we went to board this once powerful symbol of russian naval power off the coast of syria in 2015, the ship's captain said they deploy off of personal orders of the president putin, furious the aircraft had been shot down by turkey just weeks ago. the moscova, bristling with its missiles is a threatening weapon, the captain warned. the loss of this raw fire power now, which we witnessed at close quarters seven years ago is a humiliating military blow. you can see it's got these enormous missile launching tubes which can carry a nuclear missile, although we're told none on board at the moment. it's got this big gun as well to defend itself, but most importantly, this ship, the moscova has very sophisticated surface-to-air missiles and that's what's been deployed here off the coast of syria to provide air defenses for the russian war planes carrying out their air strikes back there in syria. that same weaponry was unleashed on ukraine, too. these recent images from the russian defense ministry show the moscova firing cruise missiles from the black sea. the ship was also involved in the russian take-over of a ukrainian island earlier on in the war. ukrainian troops refusing to surrender, telling the moscova where to go. confirmation, this black sea flagship has now been sunk will be a major boost to ukrainian morale. it's another big loss in russia's staggering war. >> well, there's a sense from the ukrainians tonight that this is retribution, one ukrainian official telling cnn putin came to kill our children, women and civilians and this is our gift in return to him. back to you. >> matthew, to think that ship that you were on is now at the bottom of the black sea, what a development. i also understand you have some reporting tonight on a russian oligarch arrested in ukraine, what more are you learning about that. >> yeah, this is victor medvechuk, said to be putin's man in ukraine, a leader of a pro-russian opposition party in the country. you can see him there in military fatigues, he was under house arrest before the war, escaped from house arrest when the war began, has been sort of thoughts he had gone back, gone to russia, but he's there, been captured, he's in handcuffs and facing treason charges in ukraine. spoke to his lawyer earlier on today and various other people associated with him and they said look, he's innocent. putin's invasion of ukraine is not evidence against him. his wife has also issued an appeal to president zelenskyy of ukraine to release him. ukrainians are doubling down, saying they detained much of his property, 20, or a couple dozen of his houses, several dozens of his cars and various other items of property to hold this person somewhat responsible, they think, for the terrible things, at least in part that have happened to the country over the past 50 days. >> matthew chance, thank you for your reporting, great to see you. on a related note, looks like another russian oligarch is going to have to settle for a car cruise, we got information today, in germany, impounded a super i thought worth some 600 million to 3/4 of a billion dollars, saying it belongs to the sister of russian oligarch, alistair usminov saying they seized $90 million of assets, also he's been sanctioned by the european union. just ahead, more on the sinking of the moscova with military analysis fromom two retired u.s.s. military general. . we don't like to say perfect, but it's pretty perfectct. booking.com, booking.yeah. 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>> it's a big deal, john, a very big deal. what i would suggest is the ukrainian view is the one i abide by because their minister of defense put out word about two hours before the russians said there was a fire on board so i have a kind of a lean toward the ukrainian intelligence moreso than the russian intelligence. when you're talking about other lies been told, as they were towing that ship in, that very wounded ship, they claim a storm sank it. looking at the weather reports outside of sebastobul today, winds were about 4 miles an hour with 40 degree temperatures and a little bit of rain, so i'm not sure russia has yet come to grips with the loss of this command and control ship. this is a flagship, this means that this is the one ship of the black sea fleet that controls the other ships that are maneuvering in that area and would have been the potential amphibious assault on the shores near odesa. so it is a big deal tactically, for sure, but from a morale purpose, it's a huge deal strategically. this is a $750 million ship with a lot of weapons that are supposed to defend against aircraft and cruise missiles, and they haven't done so and now no longer can fire the cruise missiles that were on the ship. >> yeah, there are reports tonight that other vessels in the black sea pulled away from the ukrainian coast, created some distance, maybe because they're a little more worried than yesterday. general zwac, what kind of reaction do you anticipate from the kremlin? >> i think that this is a disaster for the russians, and when you add -- and it doesn't matter if the attack, if it blue up on its own accord, was hit by the ukrainian -- it was a disaster for the russian navy, russian military, the prestige of the regime, both internationally and domestically. what it means is i think that if this thing could even get more vicious, we're going into that phase. and you add the sinking of the moscova to the disaster out and around kyiv and the terrible losses of the russian military in ukraine means they pay a terrible cost too and the breaking, seemingly of morale, this is going to lead, in my opinion, to an unbelievably ferocious endgame, if you will, to take on mariupol. ukraine's stalingrad, and also a full-out all-out push in the donbas directly in a bludgeon way and then through pincers where all the help we can be giving the ukrainians are, is critical now. >> let's talk about the donbas, general hertling, senior u.s. defense official tells cnn they assess there are just 65 operational russian battalion tactical groups in ukraine today, mostly located in the south and east of the country, what kind of fore size do you think they would need to launch the major offensive in donbas? >> much larger than that, john. what i would say, if i were the commander on the russian side right now, general debornikov i would be focus on the other hand a forced regeneration, he has failed in that, a new way to get logistics to the front line because the russians have failed in that in the first phase of this operation, and then if he does do that, he is going to be looking at using the russian tactics of break through operations. what that consists of is really a lot of massive artillery barrages at the front, trying to find a hole in the front of that trench line, as part of the donbas, and then pushing forces through as best he can. now, if i were the -- and i don't think they're going to be able to do any one of those three things very well. if i were the commander of the ukrainian forces, i would be trying to ensure my force was very flexible with a lot of reserve forces in the area and quick reaction forces to address any kind of breakthrough operations and then also be considering lightening my logistics and supply requirements so i could move quickly around that 300 mile frontage which is the donbas. so both forces are going to come into this second part of the operations with a different approach. john, deborinikov is not going to be able to fix the russian army, may be the new commander with a great reputation but some of the things he'll find in his force are systemic and he's not going to be able to overcome them. >> general zwack, general deputy chair of putin's security council, often seen as putin's number 2 raised the perspective of nuclear weapons in finland and sweden potentially joining nato, said, quote, there can be no more talk of joining status for the baltic, the balance must be restored. whats russia trying do with that? what kind of response are they trying to evoke from nato there? >> this is sheer intimidation, it used to be what you call a semi-moderate, he was president obama's counterpart for four years in russia? no, this is all in. this is bluster. this is intimidation. they have pushed finland and sweden to thinking actively about it. nato is open-minded. it is another, if you will, the multiple nightmares that the russians have created for themselves, pulling together the ukrainians, pulling together nato, now eu, neutral nations considering joining nato. finland has a long border, no one wants to attack russia, finland, but russians know the fins will fight and nuclear intimidation is intimidation. >> general mark hertling, jen reason zwack, thank you for joining us tonight. coming up, the subway shooter in new york appears in court. ac 360 continues. we heard about the farmer's dog and it was a complete transformation. his allergies were going away and he just had amazazing energy. it's a no-brainer that remi should have the best nutritious and delicious food possible. i'm investing in my dog's health and happiness. ♪ get started at longlivedogs.com ♪ on the road again ♪ ♪ just can't wait ♪ ♪ to get on the road again ♪ ♪ the life i love ♪ ♪ is making music with my friend♪ ♪ and i can'wait ♪ ♪ to get on theoad again ♪ hit the ad in skechers. trelegy for copd. 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>> reporter: law enforcement investigates what's seen on the cameras, but -- >> they're owned and maintained by the mta, we have access to them, do regularly look to see which cameras are working and which is not but the responsibility for the cameras belongs to mta. >> reporter: ceo of mta says video from other stations did capture images of the accused gunman and praises the subway system for doubling capacity over the past years but acknowledges to cnn there is work to be done. >> new yorkers are riding the subways, three million plus a day, basically half the mass transit riders in the country, but no question, as your reporters said, there are some challenges in front of us. >> reporter: john, we're told that this station where the shootics happened, the other station where the gunman escaped, camera system is now fully operational, it's 100% good. we're also told tonight the new york police department is saying the mta is a vital partner, that it's easy to cast blame, they do not want to do that. what they are saying is the party responsible for what happened, this horrible thing, the gunman. john. >> gary tuchman, thank you for that report. coming up, the latest on a controversial police shooting in michigan, 26-year-old black driver dead, his family's attorney, benjamin crump will join us. it grows two times faster than seed alone for full, green grass.s. everything else just seems... slow. it's lawn season. let's get to the yard. my mental health was much better. my mind was in a good place. but my body was telling a different story. i felt all people saw were my uncontrolled movements. some mental health meds can cause tardive dyskinesia, or td, and it's unlikely to improve without treatment. ingrezza is a prescription medicine to treat adults with td movements in the face and body. it's the only treatment for td that's one pill, once-daily, with or without food. ingrezza 80 mg is proven to reduce td movements in 7 out of 10 people. people taking ingrezza can stay on their current dose of most mental health meds. don't take ingrezza if you're allergic to any of its ingredients. ingrezza may cause serious side effects, including sleepiness. don't drive, operate heavy machinery, or do other dangerous activities until you know how ingrezza affects you. other serious side effects include potential heart rhythm problems and abnormal movements. it's nice people focus more on me. ask your doctor about ingrezza, #1 prescribed for td. learn how you could pay as little as zero dollars at ingrezza.com. the parents of a black motorist killed by a police officer ten days ago in michigan are calling for the officer's job and his prosecution. this as authorities on wednesday released video tapes of the traffic stop that ended with the death of the 26-year-old. omar jiminez has the details. >> translator: i'm really deeply hurt and wounded. >> reporter: the parents of 26-year-old patrick leoya speaking to police for the first time. >> you still think about him. >> i think about him every time. and i still cannot believe that my son died. >> reporter: the family came to the united states to flee war in the democratic republic of congo. but it was in the united states that a bullet killed her son. the father still remembers asking police how his son was killed. >> translator: very astonishing. they told me that he was killed by an officer. i didn't believe it. i said, the police watching him, he's the one who kill him. >> reporter: back on april 4th, shortly after being pulled over for what police say was improper car registration, he starts running. the officer chases, and they go to the ground, beginning what would become minutes of wrestling and struggling. the officer used his taser twice, but failed to make contact, as lyoya puts his hands on the taser. when the two go to the ground for what would be the final time, struggling for a few brief moments before the officer's final words. >> drop the taser! [ sound of gunfire ] >> officer involved shooting. nelson, griggs. >> sending medical. >> reporter: the officer got up. lyoya didn't. the shooting sparked a mass protest in downtown grand rapids. centered on justice for a new face in what many see as a familiar story. the officer who fired the shot still hasn't been named but has been stripped of his police powers. the lyoya family's power is now focused on one thing. >> translator: if really patrick is dead, i just ask for justice. >> that was omar jiminez reportingment i'm joined by the attorney for the family, benjamin crump. thanks for join us. what does the family of m mr. lyoya demanding tonight? >> well, obviously, the thing they most fervently want is justice. but they understand it is going to be a journey. so, immediately they asked at the press conference today, john bergman, that they release the police officer's identity so they will know the name and the face of the person who executed their son. >> now, i want to warn people the video encounter, again, it's disturbing. i want to give people a moment before we play it again. but it's obviously central to understanding what happened. do you believe the officer had any valid reason to draw his gun? >> when you watch this video, the thing that jumps out at me as well as many other people is how unnecessary this is. this police officer escalated a simple misdemeanor traffic stop to the point of an execution when he shot patrick in the back of his head. and it's very troubling because he never tried to deescalate. and while we are here in america and leaders around the world are making sure that we condemn russian soldiers who are shooting civilians in the back of their head in the ukraine, well, we want them to also condemn police officers shooting unarmed black civilians in the back of the head here in america. >> so, when asked what officers are trained to do in these types of situations, the grand rapids police chief, he didn't say much other than they try to get the individual into custody. they also declined to comment on if the officer's use of force conformed the department policy. what more do you want to here from the chief by way or explanation of accountability? >> well, what you want to here, especially the family and the community, when you have an unnecessary, unjustified killing of an unarmed citizen over a traffic stop, we want to see accountability. we want to make sure that this officer is terminated for such a flagrant excessive use of force. i mean, jon, this was a person who could have called for backup. it was a traffic stop. he had the car there. he had a passenger in the car. patrick was in flip-flops when he was killed. you could see he was barefooted. just ponder for a moment all the things that officer could have done besides shoot this young man in the back of his head, breaking his parents' heart and leaving his infant children fatherless. >> benjamin crump, we do appreciate you being with us tonight. thank you. >> thank you. we'll be right back. free cancellation on most bookings. it's a bit functional. but we'll gladly be functional.l. so you can be free. booking.com booking.yeah growing up in a little red house, on the edge of a forest in norway, there were three things my family encouraged: kindness, honesty and hard work. over time, i've come to add a fourth: be curious. be curious about the world around us, and then go. go with an open heart, and you will find inspiration anew. viking. exploring the world in comfort. at adp, we use data-driven insights to design solutions to help you manage payroll, benefits, and hr today, so you can have more success tomorrow. ♪ one thing leads to another, yeah, yeah ♪ (vo) wildfires have reached historic levels. as fires keep raging, the need to replant trees keeps growing. so subaru is growing our commitment to protect the environment. in partnership with the national forest foundation, subaru and our retailers are proud to help replant 1 million trees to help restore our forests. subaru. more than a car company. cal: our confident forever plan is possible with a cfp® professional. a cfp® professional can help you build a complete financial plan. visit letsmakeaplan.org to find your cfp® professional. ♪ ♪ life can be a lot to handle. ♪ this magic moment ♪ but heinz knows there's plenty of magic in all that chaos. ♪ so different and so new ♪ ♪ was like any other... ♪ -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com the news continues, so let's hand it over to jake tapper in ukraine and "cnn tonight." >> john, thanks so much. i'm jake tapper. this is "cnn tonight." we're live from ukraine's capital of kyiv on day 50 of this invasion. 50 days of anguish, death, and destruction. but also 50 days of great determination, perseverance, and hope

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