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>> yeah, i think my initial reaction was, which political prisoners are you referring to from january 6th? are you talking about the guy that drove a taser into my neck and electrocuted me to the point at which i suffered a heart attack? or are you talking about the guy that tried to take my gun out of my holster and try to kill me with it? or, i don't know, the guy that beat my buddy pat over the head with an aluminum baseball bat? i don't know. it's more outrageous rhetoric from america's ex-president. >> and -- and it's rhetoric backed up by current members of congress, the senate, who have said, you know, there weren't weapons there that day. >> yeah, i mean, that's just absolute crap. there were weapons of every kind to include firearms. they were present that day. there were firearms recovered at the rally prior to the insurrection at the capitol. there were firearms recovered on the grounds of the capitol. there were individuals who were arrested in the days leading up to the january 6th insurrection, who, you know, by their own admission, were there to attend the rally and brought firearms. i -- i don't know why that continues to circulate, but, again, it's just bologna. >> as a law enforcement official, i wonder how you square anybody saying they back the blue and stand for law and order, while also saying they'll support a president who talks about pardons for attackers who attacked you and others? >> yeah, i mean, again, i -- i certainly wouldn't -- i wouldn't say that republicans have a monopoly on hypocrisy, but they do -- or at least there can be an argument made that they've got a monopoly on cowardice. i've seen all of these republicans who over the past weekend were tweeting out support for law enforcement, especially in the wake of two police officers' murders in new york city, one of which i attended this past friday. but while they support law enforcement in scenarios like that and claim to be the party of law and order, you know, they seem unable to condemn the rhetoric from their own party's leader, donald trump. i'm curious as to what kevin mccarthy and mike pence and mitch mcconnell think and all the other republican lawmaker s who stay quiet and don't vocalize their outrage. or if they do, they do it in a very tempered fashion. people should be outraged by this. it's absolutely unbelievable. >> yeah, we hear time and time again, you know, from reporters and others who say that, you know, we talked to these folks, the folks in congress, privately. often they say they disagree with what's happening -- you know, they say it in private, but in public they don't come forward with what's in their hearts or their heads or the concerns they have or the outrage they allegedly have. >> yeah, i mean, some of those lawmakers have said the same things to me. >> they've actually said that to your face? >> yes. and i give them a lot of credit for, you know, for saying that to my face. but i tell them, you know, like, i get it. the risks are high. you might lose your good government job. but on january 6th, the stakes were a hell of a lot higher for me and hundreds of other police officers that responded to defend the capitol and their lives that day. so, that just doesn't, you know, pass the muster with me. i couldn't care less about you getting reelected. i'm more concerned with the future of your democracy. and right now it's in jeopardy. and, you know -- and donald trump is -- he's the -- he's a problem. >> the -- you know, i don't -- this weekend, we heard the former president encouraging, saying that in cities where he is being investigated he hopes there are, you know -- people go to and have massive turnouts and protests and to object to the fact that law enforcement personnel are investigating -- investigating him in atlanta or new york. does it worry you that this person, who encouraged people to come to the capitol on january 6th, who then encouraged people and claimed he was going to march to the capitol with people on january 6th, is still encouraging mobs, rallies, protests against law enforcement personnel? >> absolutely. i mean, he -- he still has a great deal of support in this country, and many of those supporters have already proven, like they did on january 6th, that they're willing to commit violence on his behalf. and, i mean, there's just no bottom to what it is that he's willing to say. he's, like, america's crazy ex, and he's just decided that if he can't have us, no one can, and he's going to tear apart our democracy, our country, if he can't, you know, get reelected. >> you talked about two officers in new york who were shot to death responding to what initially sounded like a routine, you know, disturbance in somebody's house. a mother complaining about an altercation with her son. what was that like, to be there last week? i mean, those images of, you know, just rows and rows of police officers, to stand amongst that? what was that like? >> i mean, there was something -- first of all, it's difficult. it's difficult to see any police officer lose their life. i think for -- for us, that is, the police community, i internalize it. and i take it very personally. but then also there's something awe inspiring about those types of turnouts for police officers' funerals. i remember vividly when gin lieu and rafael ramos' funerals, when i attended those. and it's incredibly comforting to see that police officers all over the country and in many instances all over the world, would come out to support a fellow officer and their family. >> mike fanone, i really appreciate your time tonight. thank you. >> yes, sir, thank you. more evidence now on the former administration's attitude to the public they were supposed to be serving. the attitude seems to have been, at best, one of disregard, at worst, outright contempt. the issue is the habit, including the former president, of tearing up records, records the january 6th committee now has. cnn's ryan nobles joins us with more. ryan, the national archives put out a statement about the white house documents handed over to the january 6th committee. what did you learn from that? >> yeah, anderson, this was in response to our reporting. we had learned that the january 6 committee was in possession of documents that had been torn up and basically taped back together after they received them from the national archives. so, we asked the archives about it, and they confirmed that these documents they had received from the trump white house at the end of his administration had come to them torn up and that they had to repair them. this is part of the statement they issued to us earlier today. it said, quote, these were turned over to the national archives at the end of the trump administration, along with a number of torn up records, that had not been reconstructed by the white house. the presidential records act requires that all records created by presidents be turned over to the national archives at the end of their administrations. now, we know that this was a habit that the former president, dating back to as late as 2018, where he would just tear up documents. and there was even a period of time where there were white house staffers that would come in behind him and tape them back up so that they would be available for the national archives. the fact that it was still going on right up to the end of his administration and now some of those documents are of interest to the january 6th select committee is very significant, anderson. >> we've learned former vice president mike pence, what's the significance of that? >> we don't know too many significants about that itself. many of these interviewed had been taken in person because of the omicron surge. this is one of the first we learned took place in person. we know there is a very special interest in marc short and the role he played in the days leading up to and on january 6th. he was one of if not the former vice president mike pence's closest advisers. he was on a key meeting on january 4th, where former president donald trump's advisers were putting pressure on him. the former president put out that statement yesterday where he suggested that mike pence should have overturned the election. that came after the conversation with marc short. but this is something that the january 6 committee has long suspected as being one of the big problems and issues that led to the violence and chaos on that day. you can bet that was a big part of their conversation with marc short. >> ryan nobles. thank you. coming up next why not even the former president's remarks on the weekend and the ongoing threat to democracy is enough for skeptical republicans to disavow him. we'll take it up with two veteran political observers. russia's war machine with a large and dangerous portion of the russian army amassing on the border of ukraine. we've got an exclusive look how a fleet of irish fishing boats is confronting the russian navy. i get powerful, effective and safe relief. salonpas. it's good medicine. woman: i have moderate to severe plaque psoriasis. now, there's skyrizi. ♪ things are getting clearer ♪ ♪ yeah i feel free ♪ ♪ to bare my skin, yeah that's all me. ♪ ♪ nothing and me go hand in hand ♪ ♪ nothing on my skin that's my new plan. ♪ ♪ nothing is everything. ♪ woman: keep your skin clearer with skyrizi. most who achieved 90% clearer skin at 4 months had lasting clearance through 1 year. in another study, most people had 90% clearer skin at 3 years. and skyrizi is 4 doses a year, after 2 starter doses. ♪ it's my moment so i just gotta say ♪ ♪ nothing is everything. ♪ skyrizi may increase your risk of infections and lower your ability to fight them. before treatment, your doctor should check you for infections and tuberculosis. tell your doctor if you have an infection or symptoms, such as fevers, sweats, chills, muscle aches, or coughs or if you plan to or recently received a vaccine. ♪ nothing is everything. ♪ woman: talk to your dermatologist about skyrizi. learn how abbvie could help you save. ♪ get a head start in investing with the new schwab starter kit™. new investors can open an account and get $50 to split across the top five stocks in the s&p 500®. you can also unlock short videos, step-by-step guides, and other easy-to-use tools designed for people just getting started. plus, investment professionals are on standby 24/7 if you ever have a question. it's the smarter way to start investing. ♪ and it's easy to get a quote at libertymutual.com so you only pay for what you need. isn't that right limu? 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>> i think it would be hard to overstate how -- what a critical moment this is. i think that sometimes people can think, well, people are always talking about how donald trump is a problem. but, you have lawrence tribe on earlier, who is a legendary legal, wrote a book on constitutional law, saying donald trump could be indicted for the things he's done. and a lot of times people say, look at other countries and say, how did that authoritarian get into power? and this is the way they get into power. they do it right in front of your eyes and they talk about it. and that's what donald trump is doing. he is just out loud saying exactly what he thinks should have happened and what he would like to happen in the future. and he's, you know, made it pretty clear if he's talking about pardons, he's thinking about being president again. and he's somebody who literally said that the vice president should have overturned the election. >> stewart, the vice president should have overturned the election. this is the guy who encouraged people to come to washington, d.c. for a wild event on january 6 and then had speakers talk to them about trial by combat and action, and, you know, get tough and said he was going to march with them to the capitol. and here he is encouraging crowds to descend on cities where law enforcement personnel are investigating him. it's extraordinary. >> it is extraordinary. when donald trump runs for president again, which he's going to do, and i think he will be the nominee, the vetting process is going to be revolve around one issue, will you vote to overturn the election if we don't win? this is something that's never happened before, and if we don't react to it, it's just going to be part of a process that always happens when autocracy take over of a normalization of the illegal. i mean, what you were talking about earlier, the ripping up of these documents, this was just a pattern inside the white house. they held an rnc convention at the white house. and it led to kelly anne conway violating the hatch act. and it's just going to continue until somehow the republican party is going to, i think, have to be defeated because i don't think that anyone inside the republican party with any support is going to be an alternative to trump. >> you know, it's interesting, kirsten, i've been following a coup taking place over the last number of days, and there have been a number of coups in a number of western african countries, chad, central africa in chad's case. when you read about it you think who are the people who did participate in this and how would they go along with it? it would never have occurred to me in prior years that we would have people in this country, even in leadership positions or in the orbit of leadership positions who would go along with something like this. and then you hear about mike flynn and this other former general writing up insane executive orders for the president potentially to sign about the military seizing voting machines and field marshall flynn. it is -- it sounds insane, but the insane doesn't sound so insane now because the president is continuing -- the former president is continuing to repeat this and may run again on this. >> it's terrifying. i really find it terrifying. and i agree with you that in the past it was unthinkable. pre-trump, it was unthinkable that these kinds of things could happen. honestly, even when donald trump was president, it wasn't completely unthinkable that january 6th would have happened, but it was mostly unthinkable. i think we were all shocked by it. so, what else is going to happen that we haven't thought of and we haven't expected? and i think people do tend to make excuses, say things that people aren't serious about the things that they're saying, that the institutions will stand, that, you know, the institutions will be strong enough until they aren't. and so we have to take this seriously. this is a person who does not care about america. this is a person who only cares about himself. he doesn't care about the people, the january 6th people, the way he's saying he's going to pardon them. he doesn't care about them. he doesn't care about his supporters. he care about himself. he cares about getting back in power. and if he gets back in power, if he can pull it off, it will be the last election this country sees at least for a very, very long time. >> i'm going to have to leave you there. we're having some technical issues. i really appreciate it. thank you. up next, two stories about confronting russia. breaking news on the latest. i'll also talk to a u.s. congressman who has returned from a fact-finding mission from ukraine. and donie o'sullivan reports on an irish fishing community taking on the russian military. we'll explain that ahead. ♪ so different and so new ♪ ♪ was like any other... ♪ new projects means new project managers. you need to hire. i need indeed. indeed you do. when you sponsor a job, you immediately get your shortlist of quality candidates, whose resumes on indeed match your job criteria. visit indeed.com/hire and get started today. we have to be able to repair the enamel on a daily basis. with pronamel repair toothpaste, we can help actively repair enamel in its weakened state. it's innovative. my go to toothpaste is going to be pronamel repair. one prilosec otc in the morning blocks heartburn all day and all night. prilosec otc prevents excess acid production that can cause heartburn. so don't fight heartburn, block it with prilosec otc. cough cough sneeze sneeze... 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did it feel like a country on the brink of being invaded? >> i think the ukrainians have been dealing with russian aggression for a number of years, so we met with the foreign minister, the defense minister, president zelenski, and left with the impression that the ukrainians understand the seriousness of the threat. but they're also going on with their daily lives. i think the president was very clear that he doesn't want his country to panic and face devastating economic consequences. but, you know, it's very clear that they're working closely with the united states and their allies to prepare for the worst. and they're really addressing a very fundamental way the russian misinformation campaign that is claiming that ukraine is the aggressor. there's no question about it, vladimir putin and the russian federation are the aggressors here. ukraine is a democracy, and ukrainians are prepared to fight to defend their democracy. >> is it clear to you why the white house is saying a russian invasion is imminent while zelenski has down played that? >> yes, i think it's very clear the russians have in access of 100,000 troops on the border. they have been engaged in a serious misinformation campaign to try to destabilize ukraine. they -- they invaded and took part of ukraine when they took crimea. so, the ukrainians have been dealing with this aggression. this is a significant military buildup on their border. i don't think anyone knows for sure what vladimir putin is doing or intends to do, but those indications make this a serious threat. i think what president zelenski is saying is that he understands, that but he also understands that it's important that he protect the economy of ukraine, the investment environment, the daily lives of ukrainians. so, i think he's doing what mostly do, not panic the people, but do the preparations that are necessary to defend his country. and i will tell you, you know, vladimir putin is threatened by ukraine because it's a democracy right on his border. and the russian people can see life with freedom right across the border. so, he's really threatened by the democratic -- ukraine. but the reality is we cannot allow vladimir putin or any other dictator to change the boundaries of a country by force and to take on a sovereign country, a democratically elected kofrmt to rebuild the soviet union. >> you saw the u.s. and russia ambassadors clash today. how long is the window for diplomacy open? >> well, i think everyone hopes that there will be a diplomatic off ramp that somehow vladimir putin will realize that the international community is prepared to come together and impose crushing sanctions that will cripple the russian economy, that will impose real penalties on the oligarchs who support him. and so, the fact that we are unified, that he heard the message from nato and the european allies, the united states, that we are all on the same page, that if he takes a step to invade ukraine, he will suffer serious consequences, really crippling sanctions. and i think the point is to make it clear to him that it's not worth this exploration. >> what do you think the ukrainians' expectations are in terms of the u.s. military involvement if there's an invasion? >> well, i mean, the ukrainians are seeking help not only from the united states but from many of their european allies both in terms of weapon systems and ammunitions and all the things you need to fight. but what really struck me is the ukrainian people incredibly proud and they are prepared to fight for their own country. and they made it very clear from -- everyone we met said, we are going to fight for our country. we're ukrainian. we have a right to live with freedom. and we're not going to allow vladimir putin to take over our country. so, they're a very proud people. they're ready to fight. but they're going to need support. they've done a lot to develop their military capabilities over the last several years, particularly since 2014. but obviously the russian army is much more powerful. so, they're going to need additional lethal support. they're going to need help from their allies in the region. but these are people who are ready to fight to defend their democracy and their country. >> congressman, i appreciate your time tonight. thank you so much. >> my pleasure. >> so, clear on the other side of europe there's a fishing community in ireland that's also staring down the russian military. donie o'sullivan has that story. >> you can imagine the two of us are here and next thing a rocket goes flying over your head and you're going, jesus. what was that? >> reporter: irish fishermen worried about rockets fired as part of a russian military exercise off the coast this week. >> it's our backyard. it's where we make our living. >> reporter: concern here in the bay, a fishing junkyard for the south coast, that russian drills could pose a threat to the safety of fishermen and the environment to fish stocks. >> we're worried about damage to the fish docks and marine life. and it's bound to interfere. >> fishermen like alan carlton had planned this week to go fishing off the irish coast, like he always does, despite warnings from the russian embassy in dublin that doing so could be dangerous. >> i get to look out for other ships and things like that. keep a look out for the russian navy. but hopefully we don't see them. >> at o'donoghue's pub on the harbor, locals worry about the russian military. >> fishermen are very anxious about the whole thing. >> people are worried. yeah. >> it is affecting our fishing. it's affecting our safety of people. >> reporter: fishermen turned diplomats. fishing representatives et many with the russian ambassador last week to express their concerns about russia firing rockets where they normally fish. >> when you went in to speak to the russian ambassador, what did you say to him? >> well, first of all, we gave him some prawns. >> if you had a question for vladimir putin, what would it be? >> maybe, don't affect the fish tax as much. >> reporter: and saturday night that's just what happened. the russians saying after appeals from the irish government and the fishermen themselves, russia would move its ship further out to sea away from the irish fishing boats. the news reaching this community by tweet. how do you feel? >> i feel really like -- i didn't think it would have an impact on international diplomacy. >> cheers. >> cheers. >> reporter: the news a relief for the whole community here. you must have felty leaf and happiness. >> well, everybody did. everybody did. not taking as much tax, our livelihoods. >> hoping to have a good catch this week? >> hopefully. >> and not catching any russian ships? >> definitely not, no. or any ships. >> donie o'sullivan joins. donie, i love you were able to work in a shot of guinness being poured in a pub into your piece on global conflict. >> reporter: only in ireland, anderson. and the irish government had had a role to play in some of this, but even the irish government who had been in contact with the russian ministry of defense, they thanked the fishermen here. a real win for fish boat diplomacy over gunboat diplomacy. and look, it was the fishermen that brought global attention to this story. and now they have grand ambitions for their next diplomatic act. so watch this space. >> how long are you staying in ireland for? >> reporter: home to visit the family now after this for a few days. >> nice. >> reporter: so, it's happy endings on all sides, anderson. >> enjoy, enjoy. donie o'sullivan. thank you very much in ireland. what a great place. coming up, the partying that's been giving boris johnson a political hangover. tonight fellow conservatives are turning on the british prime minister. the polls are doing him no favors. his answer to a bruising new report next. but america is just as beautiful on the 4th of january or february. stripped of its leaves but not drained of its color. no one experiences a true american winter the same way. but those with the confidence and capability of the all new 2022 grand wagoneer will remember the adventure as long as they live. my family's been devastated by covid-19. and we're not alone. we've all had to find new ways to keep going. and cue has made that easier. with cue, you get lab-quality covid-19 test results in just 20 minutes. speed and accuracy. it's just for the nba; it's for you too. cue health. the official covid-19 home test of the nba. go cue. go you. embattled british prime minister boris johnson is said to head to crew yan tomorrow amid fears of a russian invasion. all while the rest of england suffered through mandatory covid lockdowns. the report is intentionally vague, with some details kept private while police conduct their own probe. but it finds that, quote, failure of leadership along with a culture of excessive drinking. johnson went into damage control mode today appearing before parliament. >> i get it, and i will fix it. and i want to say -- and i want to say to the people of this country, i know what the issue is. yes, mr. speaker, yes. yes. it's whether this government can be trusted to deliver. and i say, mr. speaker, yes, we can be trusted! yes, we can be trusted to deliver! >> cnn's richard quest joins me now along with harry hensen. richard, what's notable is that this report is far more damning than anyone thought it would be. and this is kind of the peared back version. >> oh, yes, we won't get the full week for many, many weeks until police -- look, there are 16 events over 12 dates that we're talking about. for example, on the 17th of december in 2020, there was a christmas quiz, gathering for the departure of a senior official and another one at number 10. time and again these officials were getting together after a long day's work -- which the report says is irrelevant -- and they were having drinks, going out buying booze, excessive drinking, a failure of leadership. no wonder today, boris johnson's predecessor, theresa may, absolutely laid into him with a firm question of what were you up to? talk a listen. >> so, either my friend broke the rules or didn't understand what they meant or they didn't think the rules applied to number so. what was it? >> it's just brutal what's happening. and boris johnson in that earlier statement, he starts off by apologizing. and within seconds, he's already blaming everybody else. and he's not -- the contrition that he starts off by saying, i'm sorry, disappears. and tonight i think he's truly on the ropes. but whether he goes, that we'll have to wait for some time to tell. >> what determines whether or not he stays in power? >> trust. what happens with the metropolitan police report, what the final report says. and from johnson's point of view, which is what many people -- party gate, the more party gate goes on, the more people become relaxed about it. this is the picture. look at the picture of the queen, her majesty, the queen, at the funeral of her husband, prince phillip at windsor castle. she's sitting there following the rules after 70-odd years of marriage being widowed and meanwhile he's having parties the night before at number 10. >> wow, harry, you've got new insight into boris johnson's poll numbers. >> they're awful. i mean, the way you can compare it is just look at joe biden who is not a popular guy and boris johnson's numbers make joe biden's number look like mother theresa's numbers. boris johnson's approving ratings just 24%. joe biden's in the united states 41%. to put it into american context, a 24% approval rating, if you look back, richard nixon had the same approval rating when he resigned the u.s. presidency in 1974. right? it's amazing. and only harry truman in 1952 had a lower approval rating than johnson's currently is. it is just a terrible rating. he has lost the trust of the folks. and if you look at this, every u.s. president that had as low a rating as johnson either resigned or lost the next general election. his numbers are atrocious. >> so, what does history suggest about his future? >> i mean, the future is that at this particular point, if you look at the numbers, you say, okay, historically speaking, he's probably going to either lose or have to resign. and if you look right now and you look at the next general election between the conservatives and labor, you see that the conservatives now are down significantly. and if you look, his numbers are worse than 93% of all of the prime minister ratings since 1977, and it's the lowest -- the lowest -- for any prime minister since 2008. and i can tell you i was in college in 2008, and i'm a fairly old guy now. so, those are some pretty old numbers. >> what do you make of it? >> the next election isn't for several years. so, boris johnson's banking, because there's a fixed term. secondly, there's nobody else. the reason the tories haven't thrown him out the window is because there's nobody else. the chancellor is really not there to take over it. the foreign secretary probably they would say not ready. so, they are terrified. the big test will be at the local elections in may. how many local councils do they lose because as you know, like in this country, midterms are used to wreak revenge, if you will, or angst on the sitting government. johnson hasn't gone yet or he hasn't been thrown out because there's no one to replace him on the tori benches. that's why his mps are sticking with him. >> richard, i'm sure you were watching football this weekend. harry, i want to follow up on the football talk last week. i was on a jet blue flight yesterday flying back to new york. and the person next to me was watching the game. so, i turned on the game, and i watched the last few minutes of the san francisco 49ers with the bengals -- no, the rams -- or the -- the goats on the heads. the rams. >> yes, yes, yes. >> it was fun to watch, i've got to say. the shots were very exciting. there was a lot of swooping camera angles. i think costumes were great. and there was a lot of interceptions and a lot of excitement. >> the costumes were fantastic. this was the most exciting championship weekend pretty much ever since 1970. the two scores combined, the average margin was just three points. that's tied for the lowest ever. the thing i have to ask you, anderson is, will you watch the super bowl with me? 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>> i thought their response wasn't great. i thought joe rogan's ow was pretty good, i have to say. he was contrite. he talked about making mistakes. he talked about issues around his podcast getting so big, et cetera. i thought spotify was kind of until the middle trying to pretend they're tech company, when they are actually a media company. they used a word since they don't want to be a content sensor. well, they are a publisher and, therefore, that is called editing. but producing, right? and so, they -- they are responsible for joe rogan and they shouldn't act as if they are just a benign platform he just happens to be on they happen to pay him $100 million for. >> i also -- i didn't -- i haven't had time to look at the full-ten minutes yet. i read certain lines he said in his apology, and i was impressed with the fact and i think it is always good in public life, when somebody is willing to look at what they have done and say, you know what? i can get better at this, and i want to get better at this and i want to have different points of view and we live in an age where i think it's important to walk in other people's shoes, and have different points of view. so i think joe rogan has said an untrue thing about me years ago but i appreciate the fact he is willing to reflect and do more research. which i think is important. >> right. some of the things he is talking about, it is different opinions and stuff. some of the stuff is facts and requires, i don't know, just a fact-checker. they could hire that and say this isn't right, we need to correct this. he is also pretty neutral when people say things factually inaccurate. and sometimes, very tough on people. he was pretty tough on sanjay gupta. so what? that is okay. he should do that as an interviewer. it's just, he doesn't do it quite the same with those who are saying some things that are not true. and so, it's great to have different opinions. it's not great to put out incorrect facts and there is a difference. there still is, no matter how you slice it. >> when -- what did you think of neil young and others who said that spotify should ban joe rogan? >> i thought that was fine. they didn't like what they saw, and just moved off the platform. they expressed an opinion, they didn't like it, and and just what i am saying, they didn't like this bad information and so they were acting in their ability. and they gave up quite a bit. neil young did. joni mitchell and several others. and so, i think that's within their rights. it's very common that this happens also at media companies. you saw it happening over at fox news when jona goldberg protested tucker carlson. it happens in media all the time and we have to keep in mind this is a media company. it shouldn't be protected as a tech -- benign tech platform. it shouldn't be protected by section 230, absolutely, if they are making content just like cnn is or "new york times." >> can you just explain that to people who don't follow this stuff as closely as we probably do? i mean, you said on twitter you said spotify can't pretend it is a platform, when it is a media company. what is the difference? >> uh-huh. well, it's both, actually. but it is a media company in this case because they did a deal. they make podcasts. they have gotten very deep in the podcast business because it is critical for their survival. but section 230 gives tech platforms broad immunity but doesn't give media companies broad immunity. that would be great. everyone would like that but actually, you wouldn't because you want to get things right. and so, lot of tech companies have protected themselves by being able to not be responsible for what is on their platforms but in this case, spotify bought and paid for this content, and therefore, is responsible for it. i think so and i think a lot of people do. >> kara swisher, appreciate it. coming up next, some words about a friend. we're carvana, the company who invented car vending machines and buying a car 100% online. now we've created a brand-new way for you to sell your car. whether it's a year old or a few years old. we wanna buy your car. so go to carvana and enter your license plate answer a few questions. and our techno wizardry calculates your car's value and gives you a real offer in seconds. when you're ready, we'll come to you, pay you on the spot and pick up your car, that's it. so ditch the old way of selling your car, and say hello to the new way at carvana. i want to talk for a moment about someone that you have never met but that's someone you should have. you would have liked him in no small spart because he would have made it absolutely clear that he liked you. camera operator ed langen was like that. he knew how to put people at ease. he knew how to let people in on the joke, to share a moment. and there was always something to talk about with ed in the words of a colleague, he kne

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