>> and finally, russians forced to change tack after irish fishermen vow to disrupt naval war games. >> and just a simple little conversation. the power of words is a lot better than the power of the gun. i'm pamela brown in washington. you're in the "cnn newsroom" on this saturday. the big question tonight, could the goat really be gone? there are multiple conflicting reports tonight about whether legendary quarterback tom brady is retiring. espn broke the bombshell news earlier today, reporting that brady decided to leave professional football after 22 seasons and a record seven super bowl championships. but now brady's agent is sending out a slightly different message, though not denying, writing "i understand the advance speculation about tom's future. without getting into the accuracy or inaccuracy of what's being reported, tom will be the only person to express his plans with complete accuracy." earlier this week after a season-ending loss to the rams brady spoke on his podcast about wanting to spend more time with his family. >> the biggest difference now that i'm older is i have kids now too. you know, and i care about them a lot as well. they've been my biggest supporters. my wife is my biggest supporter. you know, it pains her to see me get hit out there. you know, she deserves what she needs from me as a husband, and my kids deserve what they need from me as a dad. i would say i'm proud and satisfied of everything we've accomplished this year. i know when i give it my all that's something to be proud of. and i've literally given everything i had this year, last year, the year before that, year before that. like i don't leave anything half-assed. >> dan shaughnessy is here with me now. he is a long-time sports columnist for the "boston globe." hi, dan. >> hey, pamela. >> what a busy day for you. what's your reaction when you first saw the reports? is he really done? what should we make of all of this? >> well, there's been a slow bleed on this all during the week. a lot of reporters, football reporters. and you know, tom's sending out a lot of signals on his own camp. it sounds like this is where it's headed. and then yeah, espn, adam schefter's a very reliable reporter. generally dead on any patriots stuff over the years. when people saw that everybody just jumped on it, went with it de facto that tom was retiring. the timing of it seemed curious at that time. it still does. i believe it to be true, but we don't know that. and as you stated, you you know, being the reporter that you are, these denials are just about timing. they're not about hey, he's going to play next year. we're not hearing any of that. and i don't think he is. >> right. and you're pointing out the timing would be unusual because he would likely not make an announcement like this before the super bowl. right? is that what you mean? >> well, i mean, tomorrow's the conference championship game. he doesn't want to take the thunder away from that. he doesn't want to have the spotlight on himself when he does this. he wants to do it on his own terms. even in boston where more people care about him than anywhere we've got this amazing, you know, thunderstorm today of snow and people are really watching tv all day to see if they can get their cars freed. and then to see this news on tom come out in the middle of the afternoon was kind of shocking for the region and all the tv stations were equipped because they were all on the air when it happened. it's a clunky way for this kind of news to come out and i don't think it's the way tom wanted it it to come out. he wanted to get out in front of it. they want to control their own story and do it at a later date but probably during the week. >> that means if it is true he gets this twice, right? all love and affection that is just pouring out for him with this news breaking today. he meant so much to so many people, especially, he no, to the city of boston. tell us about that, if you would. >> well, again, we didn't have the kind of a championship drought. i know you're a sports person yourself. you have a lot of familiarity with the old great boston celtics and what they had going. last championship they won in boston was 1986. then we had a drought 16 years. 2002 tom brady and the patriots broke that drought. and we had the high renaissance of sports here new england. 12 championships in a period of like 12, 14 years. all four teams won championships. and it was kickstarted by brady and the patriots. he went to nine super bowls here. he won six of them. he is the greatest of all time. he goes to familiar pa. good for him. he won another one last year. and he's at the top of his game, still playing great at the age of 44. but it appears enough's enough. and there's nothing left to prove. i'd be happy for him if he did retire. but it's it a big story in boston, obviously. >> by the way, i'm impressed you did your research before coming on. the boston celtics connection. so let's talk about that last ring that brady got without bill belichick. how does that affect his legacy in boston and outside of it it? >> it's been interesting the last two seasons because there's camps of brady and camps of belichick and there's been some hate watching of brady early on, like we want to see him lose, he's not here anymore, he left us. but overall his reputation is very, very pristine here. folks love him. and he's done better than the patriots have done since he left. so he kind of won the battle of legacies over bill belichick during that time. and he's won that battle as well. more fans with him than with belichick in this thing. people still following tampa bay right through last weekend hoping they'd get to another super bowl. it never trailed off for tom here in new england, and folks are anxious to find out what the next step is if in fact he is retiring. >> no doubt with the storm going on they're all inside watching the news, trying to soak all this up. what is going on here with tom brady? dan shaughnessy, thank you for helping us understand this a little bit better. we shall see how this plays out. and more of dan's work can be seen in his book "wish it lasted forever: a deem dive into the 1980s celtics led by larry bird." for more on tom brady's legacy we durn to legendary brady fan boy, the one, the only cnn anchor john berman with his brady jersey on. number 12. i mean, john, first of all, how are you doing right now? >> you know, i was going to apologize. i didn't shave. but it's been a hard day for me. i've had a lot to deal with. so i didn't shave. i'm doing the best i can. i mean, i was surprised. i was surprised because the last game he played he came back from 27-3 to tie it. he looked so good. i kind of thought he would keep going forever maybe. and then when i saw the news today it kind of hit me hard. >> but then it's sort of like this emotional roller coaster, right? because you see the news and then there are these conflicting reports where his dad's telling media no, he hasn't made his decision. what do you think's going on here? >> it kind of fields like he's done. it kind of feels like the news got out there before he wanted it to and now he's just trying to tamp it it down a little bit so he can get the timing right for himself. but if you listen to what he said after the tampa bay loss it really sounds like he was laying the groundwork to walk away for his family. he's been playing -- i've been married for 20 years. you know, tom brady, i remember watching tom brady play playoff games with my wife before she was my wife. we were like dating. and this was -- it's been a long time. it's been like generations. >> mm-hmm. and his family has had to put up with a lot. you know, kudos to gisele and to his kids because to be as good as as he has been for over 22 seasons, you have to have this maniacal concentration on what you're doing and hard work. everybody keeps talking about he's the hardest-working player there is and all the time he put into that. for football nerds like yourself of course will debate brady's standing among the greats for years to come. but go ahead and give us your argument for why brady is the greatest of all time now that it looks like he may have played his last game. >> this is like not a hard -- this is not a hard argument to make. right? to have seven super bowl rings. to have been to ten. six with the patriots. it just doesn't happen in football. it doesn't happen in football at all. it's really -- it's crazy to think he played as long as he did as well as he did. and to play as well as he did even at 44 years old. the guy was the 199th pick in the draft. he went in the sixth round. that means that five teams -- i mean, sorry, that every team passed on him five times. every team passed on this guy five times. and then what did he do about it? he went to play 22 years, won seven super bowls. and it just duoesn't happen. i suppose in hockey you have wayne gretky who won more. bill russell with the celtics won 11 championships. that's a lot too. football's tough. i mean, they hit you in football. to be able to play 22 years is remarkable. >> yeah. it really is remarkable. and you talked about that podcast. he's like my wife hates it every time i'm hit. and i can manning what that's been like for her all these years. but we will wait and see, see how this plays out. okay? in the meantime, you know, brady land, aka boston, also getting hit with a blizzard along with many parts of the northeast. you're in new york right now. how are you holding up so far and what are you hearing from your family in massachusetts? >> i kept on getting texts from my father, who cleared his driveway twice today, and said he's still alive, he's doing okay. my sister i'm not so sure about. she's a little more in the eye of it. we got about a foot here. and that's how i managed to get through the brady news is i was clearing the driveway just to blow off some steam when things were getting tough. look at that map. oh, wait, i just got a text right here. this is -- oh, it's not from my father. it's from andy scholes consoling me. i thought i was getting texts from my father. andy scholes making sure i'm okay, which is equally as nice. >> you know, john, we're all worried about you. we wanted to have a wellness check. we wanted to see you live in the flesh. so you showed up for us. thank you for that. we really do mean it. >> thanks for checking in. >> i'm glad you're doing okay. hang in there. >> okay. thank you. so let's tell you more about the so-called bomb cyclone. that's exploding along the east coast. 9 million people are under a blizzard warning right now from new york to new england. the powerful nor'easter is unleashing wind gusts of more than 70 miles an hour in some areas. those are ocean waves crashing against a hotel in plymouth, massachusetts. strong winds have pushed high seas into coastal neighborhoods. the boston area and parts of maine could see up to two feet of snow. across the state more than 100,000 homes and businesses are without power. and more outages are expected overnight. cnn's polo sandoval is in boston. i'm surprised you're still standing. you have been out there for so many hours, polo. so what's it been like for you? what's going on? >> yeah, but at least, pam, i'm now able to show my face. i mean, the wind was just whipping us around. so you basically had to keep covered most of today, pamela. but it seems those winds, they're still kicking up but you that snowfall is certainly not as intense as what we saw earlier. in fact, that snowfall is expected to basically taper off. but it's official the national weather service saying what we saw today particularly in parts of massachusetts, rhode island, it it was a blizzard. there are certain criteria that has to be met. we have to see sustained winds 35 miles an hour for an extended period of time. extremely low visibility for an extended period of time. and of course the snowfall. and now it seems based on the amounts coming in that that's what we saw here tailed, it can officially be called a blizzard. as for boston those official snow totals showing we got very close to what was forecast, nearly two feet of snow. but now we'll come to cleanup. governor charlie baker announcing today for the most part people were heeding those warnings, staying indoors, but we're not out of the woods yet. now we'll come to cleanup tomorrow. even though these v it may not be snoelg zploeg those frigid temperatures are going to remain with single-digit wind chills tomorrow. it's going to make digging out of this mess a challenge. but the city staying ahead, deploying 00 pieces of equipment onto the streets. the state of massachusetts also deploying thousands of pieces of equipment to make sure those highways are drivable. but again, we saw it first hand, most people stayed indoors. and i have to say, pamela, once that tom brady news broke there was a significant decrease in foot traffic and vehicle traffic. people likely inside watching what's going down. >> and what a day for that news to break, a day when there was a snowstorm in boston. polo sandoval, thank you so much. and we want to share some of the best images we have seen throughout this day. rain, sleet, or snow is not just an empty slogan for this dedicated postal carrier in pawtucket, rhode island. he made his deliveries in weather so miserable the governor has ordered vehicles to stay off the roads until at least midnight. those howling winds pushed high tide into the coastal roads of marshfield, massachusetts. and now the concern is any remaining flood waters will soon turn to ice adding to the treacherous conditions. it is the same story in nantucket. this is easy street. but things were decidedly difficult when ocean waters poured through the streets this afternoon. alert tonight. i spoke to a man who recorded some truly incredible videos of nantucket as the cyclone bomb rolled through. here's what he had to say in the videos that captured the storm's ferocity. >> what have you seen as you ventured out? >> yeah. it's been a whiled day on the yi island. 30 miles out. a lot of flooding. a big storm surge came in in the morning. we've had about six to eight inches of snow. really -- wind gusts of 70, 80 miles per hour. it's been knocking down trees, knocking out power. they anticipated that was going to be a major storm and i think that's been true so far. >> when you when out in these conditions what was that like for? were you worried about your safety? >> well, we tried to keep safe, keep back from the edge of the bluff at the edge of the island when we went out there to shoot some video, make sure you're standing back. and the wind was very, very intense, trying to stay away from some of the larger trees. i didn't feel like i was in too much danger but played it it safe when we needed to. >> have you ever experienced a storm like this form? you'd mentioned to me during the commercial break you've lived there about 16 years, right? had you ever experiences anything like this? >> yeah, we've had winter storms in the past. most recently juno, the storm juno comes to mind where we had probably even more significant flooding than we had today. so these do happen. it's seemingly more frequent now where we get these really intense winter storms that do cause a lot of damage. so you know, right now we've got probably 3,000 or 4,000 households yienltd without power and the town has aepd up an emergency warming shelter to help out those folks if they need it. >> so that was jason grasiadeh, an editor at the nantucket current. coming up a senior defense official says russia is moving supplies of blood to its border with ukraine. we look at how a russian invasion would disrupt the world. also ahead breaking news out of north korea and confirmation that they have fired another projectile. so how is south korea respond k? 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>> hello. nice -- thank you for having me today. i believe that this united states-ukraine disagreement on the conflict on the border right now today and yesterday is a little bit exaggerated because both parties actually also are saying the situation is dangerous but not inevitable. those were the exact words of defense minister lloyd austin of the united states. and other indicators of the agreement between the two parties are that everyone including volodymyr zelensky, the president of ukraine, vladimir putin of russia, united states, united kingdom and other countries in the european union, are ready to continue their talks even though right now we haven't seen any progress. the latest message from the foreign minister of russia, sergei lavrov, was that while the primary concerns are non-starters the second order issues might be addressed and the talks will continue. and it is understandable that the united states might be cautious and warning ukraine to be on the highest possible alert because it will be ukraine who will be responding on the ground if anything -- if the invasion happens. >> right. you have these world leaders scrambling for a diplomatic off-ramp that's so far been elusive, as you sort of noted. what can still be done at this point to prevent a conflict in your view? >> well, right now -- has a firm stand on the primary request of russia, on the open door policy to stop ukraine to join nato in the future and for the nato expansion. so this will be non-go. so now what's possible is a second order issues like, for example, renewal of agreements and new agreements on the intermediate distance missiles, transparency in the trainings, military trainings, and possibly moving the nato forces from the -- farther from the border, from nato and non-nato countries, for russia. so this is possible. and another thing might be the nord stream 2, the gas pipeline, which it is a key also in this specific situation and it might even explain why putin might feel impunity, because it is completed and in case of emergency he would be able to complete his promises on gas deliveries by passing ukraine. and this sthould be removed fro the conversations, and that might also be helpful for non-war. >> big picture here, how would a russian innovvasion disrupt the world? would we see a new era of uncertainty? supply chain disruptions? what would it do to the global economy? >> well, i would say that the full-blown invasion by russia is very unlikely. because putin faces grave consequences both internationally and domestically. domestically he is demonstrating force right now with the threat. but if it is a bloodshed, then people don't like bloodshed. it might not help him. and internationally his economy is not as strong as the economy of the united states and europe, specifically it is 14 times less, smaller than the economy of the united states. so while nato will be able to rebuild and send more and more military equipment to ukraine, russia will not be able to restore its lost weapons. yes, economically it will be devastating and no gas will be going through ukraine, and here this is a state of emergency where europe might be actually asking nord stream 2 gas supplies and that's what putin may be actually hoping for. >> tatsiana kulakevich, thank you so much. >> no problem. thank you for having me. goodbye to the goat? 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earlier this evening i spoke with bob costas about brady's potential retirement and his legacy. >> he's able to step aside while still playing at an extraordinarily high level at an advanced age. and the word satisfaction also came into play. he had all that he accomplished in new england. and if he had stepped aside at that point it would have been more than enough to ensure his place in history right at the top of the pyramid. then he goes and wins another super bowl with the bucs and he plays at an extremely high level this year, change a play or two and he's in the conference championship game tomorrow. so leaving at that level, very, very few athletes, even among the greatest of the great, get to go out on their own terms that way. and if you talk about kind of an american sports mount rushmore of the last quarter century or 30 years, michael jordan goes on there. perhaps you make a case for lebron or kobe, who were mentioned a moment ago. but i think michael jordan is the guy who goes on there. tiger woods at his best goes on there. certainly braldy does. and if you want to include the olympics from an american perspective, maybe the fourth face on that mount rushmore since you're only allowed four, would be somebody like michael phelps. but there's no question that brady is somewhere in there. and also part of it, pam, is this. mere statistics, they're important. they indicate excellence. but there's something more than that, especially when you talk about the general public. people beyond those who follow it closely and parse every moment of every game. and that is how much fun were they to watch? how beautiful were they to watch? for all that muhammad ali did, and it was very important beyond his boxing excellence, he was also so distinctively beautiful to watch. now think about that regarding michael jordan. or tom brady even though he's covered up in a football uniform. or tiger woods. just distinctively graceful in the way they played their respective sports. >> i think that's such a smart point. by the way, on your mount rushmore point i think i'd put simone biles in there. got to get a woman on there as well. >> yeah. i'm good with it. i'm good with it, pam. >> as long as we're in agreement, that's awesome. what's also important to point out here is he was a beautiful player on the field as you you just laid out so eloquently, but also anyone who played with tom always raved about him. >> yes. >> what made him such a great leader? >> well, he had those qualities, that it factor. i heard charlie weiss, the offensive coordinator under bill belichick for some of those championship teams, earlier today say that when drew bledsoe got hurt, and bledsoe was the starting quarterback in the early 2000s, he gets hurt brady emz steps in, sixth round draft choice no, real nfl resume at that point, and even in that moment he wasn't the least bit nervous or taken aback by it. he stepped right up, this is where i belong. and he took them to the super bowl and they won the super bowl. he just had that quality of confidence. but when you hear some of the audio of him in big games, and nfl films is very good about that, the way he encourages teammates, the way he relates to teammates, and you know, an nfl roster is made up of guys from varying backgrounds. you don't hear anybody say anything except their own version of this guy's great, love to play with him, love to put myself on the line for him. love to go to battle with him because that's the essence of football. you know, he had all those ineffable qualities in addition to the objective excellence that you can measure. >> that's bob costas for you. all right. numerous nfl insiders have reported his retirement, but brady himself has not yet confirmed them. so of course this is going to be something we're keeping an eye on very closely. meantime, we are following breaking news out of of north korea and confirmation that another projectile has been fired from there. what it was, where it went from cnn's will ripley in the region. we're going to check in with him up next. also, a programming heads-up for you. join sara sidner as she rides along to find out why driving while black in america can be deadly serious. this new cnn special report, "traffic stop," begins tomorrow at 9:00 p.m. ♪ i'm getting vaccinated with prevnar 20. so am i. because i'm at risk for pneumococcal pneumonia. i'm asking about prevnar 20. because there's a chance pneumococcal pneumonia could put me in the hospital. if you're 65 or older you may be at increased risk for pneumococcal pneumonia. prevnar 20 is approved in adults to help prevent infections from 20 strains of the bacteria that cause pneumococcal pneumonia. in just one dose. even if you've already been vaccinated with another pneumonia vaccine, ask your doctor if prevnar 20 could help provide additional protection. don't get prevnar 20 if you've had a severe allergic reaction to the vaccine or its ingredients. adults with weakened immune systems may have a lower response to the vaccine. the most common side effects were pain and swelling at the injection site, muscle pain, fatigue, headache, and joint pain. i want to be able to keep my plans. that's why i chose to get vaccinated with prevnar 20. because just one dose can help protect me from pneumococcal pneumonia. ask your doctor or pharmacist about getting vaccinated with prevnar 20 today. living with diabetes? 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this is the big question, pam. >> yeah. and in the middle of this i want to ask about this interview friday on npr. china's ambassador warned that if the u.s. encourages continued independence for taiwan it could spark military conflict with china. and you're now getting reaction from taiwanese officials, right? >> yeah, this is the most explicit language that we've heard in quite some time from chinese diplomats about what could happen if they feel that the united states continues down this road of deepening its relationship and having these kind of official-level interactions with taiwan. listen to what the chinese ambassador to the u.s., ching qong, told npr. >> if the taiwanese authorities emboldened by the united states keep going down the road for independence, it most likely will involve china and the united states, the two big countries, in a military conflict. >> this warning comes after a rare and highly symbolic encounter between u.s. vice president kamala harris and taiwan's vice president william lai in honduras at the ip augustration of their new pront. then friday taiwan's vice president held a 30-minute virtual meeting with nancy pelosi the u.s. speaker of the house where they talked about a wide range of hot-button issues including human rights in china and pelosi's apparent support of taiwan participating in international governing bodies such as the world health organization which beijing opposes because they don't view this self-governing island's leadership as legitimate. they still claim this island as they have since the civil war even though the communist party has never controlled this island. taiwan's mainland affairs council in the last few hours has put out a response. they're calling out china for what they say is trying to rationalize its provocative actions regarding taiwan. they say china's military threats are causing tension and tonight taiwan is vowing to only deepen its ties with the united states. of course they're counting on their friendships albeit not formal diplomatic relations because china's made sure most countries don't formally recognize the government but they have a lot of friends, big democracies with big armies and they're counting on that support to keep this island's government in place, pamela. >> okay. will ripley, our senior international correspondent. by the way, congrats on your promotion, will. well deserved. thank you so much. >> thank you. good to see you. well, the white house is out with a plan to protect u.s. water systems from cyber attack. so how real is the threat? 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>> unfortunately it doesn't. and part of that is not the fault of the biden administration. it's the fault of the way we've set things up here in this country to deal with cyber. the epa, the environmental protection agency, which regulates the quality of water around the country doesn't have any authority whatsoever to tell any utility how to fix its cyber develop neshlts. that's a dervez in the law we see. and the secretary factor which i alluded is most feel they get water for free it's available why do we pay for it there is terrible pressure on utilities around the country to keep bills low. that means they don't have enough funds to invest in sophisticated cyber defenses as well as hire the kind of talent that wall street companies, banks, financial institutions are able to have. so you put the two of those factors together, and we have a really serious vulnerability. >> we do. glen, thank you for helping us understand that vulnerability a little bit better. we appreciate it. >> thank you. >> and when we come back, a huge welcome to the newest member of the cnn family here in the cnn newsroom. ou both sleep just rig. save $1,000 on the sleep number 360 special edition smart bed, queen now $1,999. plus, 0% interest for 48 months. ever wonder what everyone's doing on their phones? 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