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campaign promise that may change the face of it. we'll be joined by james clyburn who also paved the way by making sure then candidate biden made this commitment. >> we talked about the supreme court, i'm looking forward to making sure there's a black woman on the supreme court to make sure in fact that every -- i committed that if i'm elected president, have an opportunity to appoint someone to the courts will be, i'll appoint the first black woman to the courts. it's required they have representation now. it's long overdue. >> we are putting together a list of a group of african american women who are qualified and have the experience to be in the court. i am not going to release that until we go further down the line and vetting them as well. >> well, there are plenty of highly qualified candidates, some of whom are already vetted. we'll speak with valerie jarrett. we'll talk about the process of getting any nominee confirmed, which is, as you know, has produced memorable moments over the past serl decades and has proved difficult for many candidates. chuck schumer reportedly wants a speedy process and the manner of amy coney barrett's confirmation which just took 30 days. that's what a source familiar with his thinking tells cnn. mick mcconnell, who deprived president obama of his final court pick, was noncommittal on the subject today. the first part of the clip we played from president biden was when he was a candidate in south carolina on february 25th, 2020. they were words my next guest was waiting to hear, but had not yet heard during the debate. here's how bob woodward tells us. quote, during an intermission, clyburn told a friend he was heading to the restroom. instead, strolled back stage and pulled biden aside. man, there have been a couple of instances where you could have mentioned having a black woman on the supreme court. you can't leave the stage without mentioning that. of course, biden said, you got it. in his final answer, biden hit the mark. the next day, congressman clyburn went on to endorse him. he joins us now for his first interview since the news of the justice's retirement. can you tell us more about that conversation at the debate between you and then candidate biden and nominating the first black woman to the supreme court? do you feel like this moment may have been made possible because of that conversation? >> well, thank you very much for having me, anderson. as you may know, i'm the father of three daughters. and i talk to them a lot. and i talk with their friend. and i knew that one of the real under current floating throughout the black community was the fact that no black woman had ever been seriously considered for the united states supreme court. and at the time, there were three women sitting on the court and one had already retired from the court. and that was a real problem. so i maintained and i said to the then candidate, that that was an issue that i thought it would be good for him to address in the campaign if he got a chance to do so in the debate because remember, he had lost three primary campaigns in new hampshire, iowa and nevada. and everybody was saying his campaign was over. i said to him, i don't think so. i know your relationship to the black community, your relationship with south carolina and the south carolina primary could be a turning point in the campaign and i thought that one way to do that was to address this issue and he did. and addressed it many, many times since. and he has put together a list, i'm assuming, that, this list i saw of seven people, that's the list that's coming from his folks. i hope it is. because if the young lady that i had been pushing him to consider is on that list. >> cnn is reporting that as far as potential nominees are concerned, your major -- michelle childs from south carolina. is judge childs your top pick? >> yes, she's from south carolina. i've known her most of her life. and she is an incredibly smart woman. she has the kind of diverse background in life and education and work. she's worked in a state agency, two state agencies. she's been a state judge. she's now a federal judge. she's a graduate of a public university down in florida. and a public law school here in south carolina. an incredibly smart woman that i believe would do well. you see, i think that people's experiences mean a lot. if you're going to sit in judgment of people, it would do well to be able to empathize with that and you can sympathize, that's easy to do. but i think the judges ought to be able to empathize and i think she's incredibly prepared to be that kind of a judge. >> i want to play something justice breyer said in october of last year when he was asked by cnn if he gets irked if he gets questions about getting liberal enough and to help president biden. >> the truth, i think, is there's always, you know, always hope for your more mature self, which is there sometimes and this is a country in which every day i see this in this document, the number one, it's called freedom of speech. that means freedom -- >> so you think let them say what they want? >> i do. >> but you must be irked somehow. this must drive you nuts a little bit, right? >> if you can, i mean, please. >> i didn't mean to slip into an informal way of asking you a question, justice breyer. >> i was thinking of harry truman, if it's too hot, get out of the kitchen. >> how important is the speed of this process in your mind? >> well, you know, i live by some of those adages. i want us to make sure that it is a black woman. i want to make sure that it's a woman. that we get universal support. when i say universal, i mean bipartisan support and i know that michelle childs will have support separate of republicans including the two republican senators from south carolina. >> do republicans have an obligation in your mind to endorse a history making choice and not let it be only democrats who vote yes for such a nomination? >> well, i wouldn't say they have an obligation to do that. i think it would be well for that to happen. as you know, i'm a big fan of j. edward nixon and that was one of the things i admired about him. he made sure that the civil rights -- both about partisan issues and i really, really admired that about him and i would, i'm sure that republican senators from south carolina would do all they can to make this choice bipartisan and i'm sure they would do so because both of them know michelle real well. and she's just our choice, but i suspect the others, that i don't know as well, i do know sherrilyn ifill. her name has been floated. very smart young lady that i think would make a great supreme court justice as well. i just happen to be for michelle childs. i'm not against any of the others. >> congressman clyburn, appreciate your time. thank you. >> well thank you very much for having me. >> we just spoke about judge childs. more now on her and several other candidates as well as the process as getting a choice confirmed. details on that from paula reid. >> i made it clear my first choice for supreme court will make history as the first african american woman justice. >> a supreme court pick can be a president's most lasting legacy. justices can serve for decades. their decisions last for generations. former president trump solidified a conservative majority with his three court picks. >> i have long been told that the most important decision a president can make is the appointment of a supreme court justice. >> for breyer's spot, judge brown jackson is seen as the front-runner, a former supreme court clerk for breyer, she was vetted recently by biden and his team and confirmed to the d.c. circuit court of appeals to fill the seat left vacant by merrick garland. the circuit is seen as a feeder fehr high court and the move was meant to groom her for a justice position if a vacancy came open. >> when you become a judge, you take an oath to look only at the law in deciding your cases, that you set aside your personal views about the circumstances, the defendants or anything else. >> a close second choice is california supreme court justice, leondra krueger. a former acting deputy solicitor general in the obama administration, she argued a dozen cases before the high court. while she has not been vetted by the administration, she once clerked for john paul stevens. >> i think we tend to forget when we're in the outside world that really, conversations about these very difficult cases are confined to a very small number of people. >> other names circulating, south carolina judge, michelle childs. minnesota district court judge, mimi wright. outstanding defense fund president, sherrilyn ifill. second circuit court of appeals judge, ewan lee and north carolina justice, anita earls. judge childs has been championed by house majority whip, james clyburn. >> i have a high regard and sincere appreciation for our legal system, which is the form of order in our court in our democracy. >> the eventual nominee will likely face a daunting confirmation process. breyer told several people who n nudged him to retire that the confirmation process shouldn't be political. >> if they see them as politicians in robes, it's confidence in the court and the rule of law will only diminish. >> some democrats worried breyer would remain on the bench and with the 2022 midterms looming, senate republicans have already raised the stakes around his retirement with five gop lawmakers telling cnn in december that they would likely oppose any nominee out of this white house if they take the majority in november. >> so we want to get more perspective now. history about to be made. joining us now, valerie jarrett. how significant is this moment in your mind? >> very significant, anderson, and good evening. it is a seismic, historic moment. i am thrilled with president biden announced two years ago in the course of the campaign that he intended to select a black woman. here's the good news as you just heard from paula. there are several very qualified candidates who have the intellectual rigor, temperament and experience to be a real asset to the court and who will contribute to reflects the diversity of our rich country and so i think this is a great moment. it is historic. not just because the person will be a black woman and make history, but because there's so many really well eququalified choices available to president biden from whom to choose. >> you've seen up close the difficulty these nominations can have. do you think potentially the historic nature of this nomination would impact republicans who might be inclined to oppose it? >> well, i don't know. i think if they're really focusing on what's good for the country and not what's in their short-term political interests, they will give the support and it would be great to have bipartisan support for this historic nomination just as justice sotomayor received when she was nominated and confirmed. so i hope that they will want to be on the right side of history and i'm very confident that whoever president biden selects will be somebody who is highly qual qualified for the job. >> and there are a number of candidates being floated. we saw some in that piece. you know president biden well. how do you think he's going to weigh this decision? >> he'll look at their qualifications, their track record, their experience. their life story. he will look at how they will fit in with the rest of the court. it has to work well and be a functioning court and that's when judicial temperament becomes really important. i think ultimately, he'll also go with who he just instinctively thinks will be the best choice possible. this is something that he will take very seriously. obviously, his years of experience as chair of the judiciary makes him very familiar with the range of candidates and the qualifications that are necessary. i'm confident he'll make the right choice. >> in the context of the larger political landscape, with vote rights, build back better, do you think this is an opportunity to in some ways reinvigorate the democratic base? >> i think the base would be very excited about the selection. this isn't just something that will resonate with black people. i think it will resonate broadly not only across the democratic base, but i'm hoping around the country. people should celebrate this historic moment and if they do so, i think it will energize people to look at not just the supreme court, but government. and be engaged and participate, turn out and vote, care about who's running for office. elections have consequences. the supreme court lifetime appointments and they make decisions that affect every single american. this is really important. and so it's a teaching moment as well for people to understand what's at stake in elections and what are the responsibilities that go along with being on the supreme court. i hope everyone tunes in. everyone is engaged in the process. i look forward to having a very thorough review of the candidates. in i think the process should not be jammed through the way president biden's predecessor did. it should be done in a thoughtful and serious way so the public has an opportunity to see exactly what it is that president biden sees in this person, have open hearings, open debate, and hopefully a successful confirmation. >> valerie jarrett, appreciate you tonight. thank you so much. >> you're welcome. up next, a close friend of justice breyer's joins us. also a look at hearings that have left an indelible mark on history and perhaps the court as well. >> from my standpoint, as a black american, as far as i'm concerned, it is a high-tech lynching for uppity blacks who in any way dane to think for themselves. >> later, senator chris murphy who traveled to ukraine, on where things stand now as the administration delivered its written reply to russia's demands. like what if i give you a lollipop... then i give you our best lollipop. that's not fair. at at&t we think it's only fair that all customers get our best deals... ...and you get a choice of plans. she said everyone? 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>> you're asking if i blacked out, i don't know, have you? >> can you answer the question -- that's not -- is that your answer? >> i'm curious if you have. >> i have no drinking problems. >> the committee postponed its vote to hear testimony from two of his accusers. before it was over, this happened. >> if you wanted an fbi investigation, you could have come to us. what you want to do is destroy this guy's life, hold this seat open, and hope you win in 2020. you said that. not me. >> decades earlier, in 1991, judge clarence thomas defended himself against claims of sexual harassment. >> he got up from the table at which we were working, went over to his desk to get the coat. looked at the can and asked, who has put pubic hair on my coat? >> from my standpoint as a black american, as far as i'm concerned, it is a high-tech lynching for uppity blacks who in any way dane to think for themselves. >> tension spill over to committee members. >> somebody in a sleazy way the -- wait, let me just finish. >> i'm going to let you finish then i'm going cut you off real quick. >> on display during this confirmation, a racism charge. senator ted kennedy quoted from a letter, alito was believed to have joined. >> it cited the fact that admission rates for african americans and hispanics were on the rise. >> i'll always deplore any form of racial discrimination or bigotry. >> disgusted, his wife walked off the hearing. >> are yu really a closet bigot? >> i'm not any kind of a bigot. >> judge alito, i am sorry that you've had to go through this. >> it was robert borks failed 1987 nomination that gave rise to the process's partisan divide. by the time reagan nominated him, he was well-known for his believes. >> in his america, there is no room at the inn for blacks and no place in the constitution for women and in our america, there should be no seat on the supreme court for robert bork. >> in the end, he was defeated by a vote of 58-42. the largest margin in history. and his name semibollized outranl for conservatives. to bork was defined in the dictionary as to obstruct by systemically defaming or vilifying a person. randi kaye, cnn, palm beach county, florida. >> in addition to being a distinguished legal scholar, lawrence try was also a close friend of the outstanding justice breyer. professor, you've known justice breyer for a long time. what do you make of his decision to retire? >> i think it was the right decision. it's really important to give president biden a chance to put the first african american woman on the court and all of the nominees that are being bandied about are extraordinarily well fal qualified by experience, temperament. so i think justice breyer really helped his legacy by not holding on any longer. >> the fact that he's announcing his retirement in january, which is very early by court standards in a midterm election year, what does it say to you in terms of concerns he may have about the politics of the looming confirmation process? >> well, if he were as concerned as i wish he had been, he would have resigned sooner still. he would have resigned before this term began last october because he's already waited, even though it's early in the year, he's waited well enough into the process so that mitch mcconnell, who is known for taking every opportunity to squelch initiatives of the opposition party is likely to pull out all the stops this make this difficult and i think that's unfortunate because i think all of the nominees will make history in a very positive way. >> how difficult could mitch mcconnell make it? >> well, he did strike a deal with majority leader schumer back in february of 2021. to have an equal number of senators of both parties on the judiciary committee. some have said that that would enable a solid republican vote to put the nomination on hold, but i think if you look at the senate rules that were passed at that time, it would be possible for senator schumer to discharge the nomination even if it was equally divided in the committee and then a mere majority vote is all it would take in the senate. i think given that several of the senators, if the nominee happens to be jackson, for example, several of the senators on the republican side have already voted for her, that really could be fairly smooth. i think that it's possible for a number of the other nominees to go through quite smoothly. but i think it's important that the hearings be careful, be thorough. the nation become familiar with the nominee and i think that the national ground swell in support of the nominee president biden selects is going to make it very hard for mcconnell to obstruct. >> randi kaye mentioned the defeat of conservative robert bork. you were one of the witnessed who testified against him. i want to play a clip of what you said to the senate judiciary committee. >> a lot of attention is focused on judge bork's quite scornful dismissal of the supreme court's long line of decisions from the 1920s to the present upholding the rights of individuals and families to decide for themselves basic matters of marriage, childbearing, and child rearing. judge bork has basically said that nothing in the constitution authorizes judges to treat a married couple's intimacies in the bedroom any differently from a business enterprise's economic decisions in the board room. >> do you agree his defeat was a watershed moment in supreme court nomination fights? >> i have to say first of all, i wish i had as much hair as i did back then. i do think it was a watershed moment but not for the reasons everyone tends to state. it was a watershed moment because it was an opportunity for the country to hear competing views of basic constitutional questions like the one i was testifying about there about whether the constitution even though it doesn't say anything about bedroom privacy or sexual choice or the right to raise your children or any number of other rights is broad enough to encompass them. that was the first time the country on national television heard all of those ideas ventilated and the fact that judge bork was ultimately rejected because he rejected all of those rights and in that way, frightened the american people, many of them, about his philosophy, represented a kind of turning point. a ratification of a broader view of tconstitution than the curret far right court even with a younger nominee replacing justice breyer is going to take. >> appreciate your time tonight. breaking news in russia. after the u.s. sent a letter to russia addressing the crisis. i'll talk about the details with chris murphy, next. from the very first touch, pampers, the #1 pediatrician recommended brand, helps keep baby's skin drier and healthier. so every touch will protect like the first. pampers ♪ baby got back by sir mix-a-lot ♪ unlimited cashback match... only from discover. 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>> i'm glad the u.s. is engaged in the diplomacy. hopeful it will bear fruit. at the same time, it is based upon a set of concerns articulated by russia that are imaginary. the russians believe that nato presents a territorial threat to russia. that's simply not true. we are deployed to protect ourselves. we have no intention of ever setting a foot on russian soil. it's in fact the russians who have put their own troops inside georgia and ukraine and so if putin wants guarantees that nato isn't going to move on russia, we can give him those, but we simply can't give him and the kremlin power over who becomes part of nato. so let's hope there's some breakthrough on the diplomatic front. i think ultimately if putin decides not to invade ukraine, it will likely be more so because he sees the cost of an invasion as much more serious than he had originally anticipated. >> just boils down to what putin decides to do. it's not necessarily, i mean, it's his decision and his decision alone. >> yeah. in the united states, if a president wants to invade a foreign country, they've got to get authorization of congress normally. if you want to sign a treaty with a nation, you've got to get the consent of congress. putin will decide what he wants to do on his own and the worry is he's been holed up, cloistered, make only speaking to a handful of people who maybe telling him he's going to be greeted as a liberator if he enters ukraine. of course nothing could be further from the truth. he's going to meet a fierce resistance from the ukrainian army and he's going to have a long-term insurgency on his hands that could last years if not decades and that could bring down the russian government just like the invasion of afghanistan in 1980 contributed to the downfall of the soviet union. >> russia said it's engaging diplomacy throughout this process, but they've continued to move troops and weapons to the border. how can you tell when progress is being made and when they're just stalling for time? >> i think russia is sort of hoping to do two things. they're hoping to engage the west and united states in a way that ultimately gets us to agree to these ridiculous demands. that's not going to happen. we are not going to move our troop levels inside the nato alliance back to 1990s levels nor are we going to allow russia to decide whether eukraine join nato or not. i think the other thing they're trying to do is rattle the ukrainian government. putin doesn't want to march an army in. he'd love to have this government fall and a russian friendly government installed instead. so you know, we have to both support ukraine militarily, but also politically to make sure that you know, the people of ukraine understand that they should stick with the government and they shouldn't let these threats from putin end up in there being instability inside kyiv. that's what putin wants. >> there does seem to be this disagreement in words of the white house has used the term imminent. the potential for russian invasion. ukrainian officials have not used that word or said it's not imminent. where do you see, how do you describe the threat? >> i think this is a delicate dance. you have to, when talking to our allies, make clear what we see in our intelligence, which is the potential for an imminent attack and it's no secret that our allies have not always shared our assessment of the threat. so in order to build this set of sanctions against russia that are multilateral along with our european partners, we've got to make sure they understand how serious we see the intelligence. at the same time, again, inside ukraine, you don't want to build unnecessary panic. you don't want to bring down this government. so i can see why the ukrainians are being a little bit more delicate in how they advance this intel. you have to understand inside y ukraine, they've had russians on their soil for the better part of a decade. they've lost thousands of soldiers in the fight against russia. sometimes they worry the rest of the world doesn't know that, that they've been at war with russia and this would just be a new front in that war. >> thank you. >> thanks. confirmation hearing for florida sourjen general got con tin shouse refused to say the vaccines worked. what happened, next. he time. and it turns out the general is a quality insurance company that's been saving people money for nearly 60 years. for a great low rate, and nearly 60 years of quality coverage, go with the general. some of my best memories growing up, were cooking with mom. she always said, “food is love.” so when she moved in with us, a new kitchen became part of our financial plan. ♪ i want to make the most of every meal we have together. ♪ at northwestern mutual, our version of financial planning helps you live your dreams today. find a northwestern mutual advisor at nm.com welcome to the next level. what's the plan? 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>> as a scientist, you know, i am compelled to answer the scientific question. >> scientifically, do vaccines, do the vaccines work? >> yes or no questions are not that easy to find in science. so i will, i understand, i think i have better clarity about your question at this point. so what i would say is that the most commonly used vaccines in the united states, which would be the pfizer product and the product that was developed by moderna, have been shown to have relatively high effectiveness for the prevention of hospitalization and death. and over time, relatively low protection from infection. >> it's fascinating to watch that. thanks for joining us. it lasted more than three minutes. you asked the doctor five times. how concerning is that to you? >> thank you so much for having me. it is terrifying that we are in a place and in a state where this is the top doctor in the third largest state in the country or hopes to be once confirmed. that's why my colleagues and i came today prepare today ask questions of the doctor. this is a man who calls mask wearing an extreme measure. who stood front line with america's front line doctors to talk about and condemn unsafe, to condemn common sense safety measures related to covid-19. he could not answer any questions straightly or squarely, whether it was related to vaccines, mask wearing or whether or not he regretted really putting our colleague's health and safety at risk by not wearing a mask because she was a cancer patient undergoing treatments. so the list does go on and on. we came prepared and he was not having it and not answering any of the questions so we decided we had other business to attend to on our agenda and did not want to continue to listen to the nonsensical niceties that he was choosing to spew forward instead of answering squarely questions that the people of florida deserve answers to. >> is it clear why the governor put this doctor in that job other than he was known for voicing skepticism about vaccines and other covid precautions? >> i think the really dangerous thing is that the governor has put this individual in place as a political measure. as a mouthpiece and that is not what this should be. at the end of the day, again, this is the top doctor in the third largest state in the country. he has a responsibility to care for 21 million people and their health, safety, and well-being. this should not be a political position. this is something who should ensure we're making sound, smart, data-driven positions to keep the people of florida safe and that's not what this individual has done. he's falsely claimed to have treated covid-19 patients at ucla. that never happened. the list goes on and on and on and at the end of the day, we asked more questions and just about the covid-19 pandemic. we asked about other outbreaks the state has had. we talked about other issues related to hiv, minority communities. again, got a lot of niceties, a lot of verbal jiu-jitsu and got no real answers to the questions we were posing and quite frankly, it was beneath the dignity of the florida senate. he was making a mockery of what we were doing and there to do and that's why we decided to walk out on that vote because at the end of the day, we had a lot of work to do and wanted to get to those issues in front of us. >> he was also pretending his answer is scientific answer to that question. but his final, you know, the way he phrased the final, the answer that we just played there, he chose to focus on the most negative aspects, which is that you know, in his, paraphrasing him, that long-term, the vaccines did not show, over a certain period of time, effectiveness. which is certainly true. over a long enough period of time, the vaccines are not as effective. but phrasing it that way is a very strange way to phrase it when in fact, the most direct answer is the vaccines are very effective and the booster shows great efficacy as well as opposed to well, just over an undisclosed long period of time, they're not. >> absolutely, anderson. you are 100% correct. again to the point that this has become a political mouthpiece for the governor. an extremely dangerous measure. 21 million people deserve more than a mouthpiece for the governor. than talking sound bites that sound good and suit a narrative. at the end of the day, we know vaccines work. we know mask wearing works and prevents the spread of covid-19. these are not, these are not very difficult to understand and the top doctor in the state of florida should be able to answer very simple yes or no questions when it comes to the health, safety, and well-being of people across the state. again, somebody who wanted to continue to spew falsities and niceties isn't going to get the job done. >> yeah. appreciate your time. thank you. up next, breaking news in the investigation of matthew gaetz. another key figure once in his orbit is now apparently talking to the feds. page 188... uh carl, are there different planning options in here? 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>> from the beginning, anderson, he has claimed that he has done nothing wrong. in the past he has said he has never had sex with a woman under the age of 17 while he was above the age of 17. his office put it out a statement saying something along those lines, saying not a shred of evidence has implicated congressman gaetz in wrong doing. we remain focused on our work representing floridians. despite this new development, gaetz is not at all changing his story that he has done nothing wrong. >> is there any sense of a timeline this operation has been going on? >> that remains a mystery. keep in mind the federal government has never officially said they're investigating matt gaetz. this has been uncovered through reporting through various sources. and of course we do know about the activity that's been involved with greenberg and some of these others that are tied to matt gaetz. so, there is no timeline as to how long this is going to take. and it could play out for much longer. but obviously the fact they are now getting some of these witnesses to cooperate and be a part of this investigation, that shows they could potentially be getting closer to wrapping the investigation up. >> brian nobles, appreciate it. thanks. we'll be right back. ♪ i'm getting vaccinated with prevnar 20. so am i. because i'm at risk for pneumococcal pneumonia. i'm asking about prevnar 20. because there's a chance pneumococcal pneumonia could put me in the hospital. if you're 65 or older you may be at increased risk for pneumococcal pneumonia. prevnar 20 is approved in adults to help prevent infections from 20 strains of the bacteria that cause pneumococcal pneumonia. in just one dose. even if you've already been vaccinated with another pneumonia vaccine, ask your doctor if prevnar 20 could help provide additional protection. don't get prevnar 20 if you've had a severe allergic reaction to the vaccine or its ingredients. adults with weakened immune systems may have a lower response to the vaccine. the most common side effects were pain and swelling at the injection site, muscle pain, fatigue, headache, and joint pain. i want to be able to keep my plans. that's why i chose to get vaccinated with prevnar 20. because just one dose can help protect me from pneumococcal pneumonia. ask your doctor or pharmacist about getting vaccinated with prevnar 20 today. this is the planning effect from fidelity. ben isn't worried about retirement because his plan is backed by the team at fidelity. a group of investment professionals manages ben's ira for him, analyzing market conditions and helping him stay on target. he gets one-on-one coaching when he wants some advice, and can adjust his plan whenever he needs to. and now he's so prepared for retirement, ben is feeling totally zen. that's the planning effect from fidelity. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com reminder, don't miss if you will circle, our digital news show. you can catch it live mondays, wednesdays, thursdays at cnn.com. the news continues with jim acosta and "democracy in peril." thank you very much. tonight as we continue our series, we have to consider this very serious possibility. >> we are going to

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campaign promise that may change the face of it. we'll be joined by james clyburn who also paved the way by making sure then candidate biden made this commitment. >> we talked about the supreme court, i'm looking forward to making sure there's a black woman on the supreme court to make sure in fact that every -- i committed that if i'm elected president, have an opportunity to appoint someone to the courts will be, i'll appoint the first black woman to the courts. it's required they have representation now. it's long overdue. >> we are putting together a list of a group of african american women who are qualified and have the experience to be in the court. i am not going to release that until we go further down the line and vetting them as well. >> well, there are plenty of highly qualified candidates, some of whom are already vetted. we'll speak with valerie jarrett. we'll talk about the process of getting any nominee confirmed, which is, as you know, has produced memorable moments over the past serl decades and has proved difficult for many candidates. chuck schumer reportedly wants a speedy process and the manner of amy coney barrett's confirmation which just took 30 days. that's what a source familiar with his thinking tells cnn. mick mcconnell, who deprived president obama of his final court pick, was noncommittal on the subject today. the first part of the clip we played from president biden was when he was a candidate in south carolina on february 25th, 2020. they were words my next guest was waiting to hear, but had not yet heard during the debate. here's how bob woodward tells us. quote, during an intermission, clyburn told a friend he was heading to the restroom. instead, strolled back stage and pulled biden aside. man, there have been a couple of instances where you could have mentioned having a black woman on the supreme court. you can't leave the stage without mentioning that. of course, biden said, you got it. in his final answer, biden hit the mark. the next day, congressman clyburn went on to endorse him. he joins us now for his first interview since the news of the justice's retirement. can you tell us more about that conversation at the debate between you and then candidate biden and nominating the first black woman to the supreme court? do you feel like this moment may have been made possible because of that conversation? >> well, thank you very much for having me, anderson. as you may know, i'm the father of three daughters. and i talk to them a lot. and i talk with their friend. and i knew that one of the real under current floating throughout the black community was the fact that no black woman had ever been seriously considered for the united states supreme court. and at the time, there were three women sitting on the court and one had already retired from the court. and that was a real problem. so i maintained and i said to the then candidate, that that was an issue that i thought it would be good for him to address in the campaign if he got a chance to do so in the debate because remember, he had lost three primary campaigns in new hampshire, iowa and nevada. and everybody was saying his campaign was over. i said to him, i don't think so. i know your relationship to the black community, your relationship with south carolina and the south carolina primary could be a turning point in the campaign and i thought that one way to do that was to address this issue and he did. and addressed it many, many times since. and he has put together a list, i'm assuming, that, this list i saw of seven people, that's the list that's coming from his folks. i hope it is. because if the young lady that i had been pushing him to consider is on that list. >> cnn is reporting that as far as potential nominees are concerned, your major -- michelle childs from south carolina. is judge childs your top pick? >> yes, she's from south carolina. i've known her most of her life. and she is an incredibly smart woman. she has the kind of diverse background in life and education and work. she's worked in a state agency, two state agencies. she's been a state judge. she's now a federal judge. she's a graduate of a public university down in florida. and a public law school here in south carolina. an incredibly smart woman that i believe would do well. you see, i think that people's experiences mean a lot. if you're going to sit in judgment of people, it would do well to be able to empathize with that and you can sympathize, that's easy to do. but i think the judges ought to be able to empathize and i think she's incredibly prepared to be that kind of a judge. >> i want to play something justice breyer said in october of last year when he was asked by cnn if he gets irked if he gets questions about getting liberal enough and to help president biden. >> the truth, i think, is there's always, you know, always hope for your more mature self, which is there sometimes and this is a country in which every day i see this in this document, the number one, it's called freedom of speech. that means freedom -- >> so you think let them say what they want? >> i do. >> but you must be irked somehow. this must drive you nuts a little bit, right? >> if you can, i mean, please. >> i didn't mean to slip into an informal way of asking you a question, justice breyer. >> i was thinking of harry truman, if it's too hot, get out of the kitchen. >> how important is the speed of this process in your mind? >> well, you know, i live by some of those adages. i want us to make sure that it is a black woman. i want to make sure that it's a woman. that we get universal support. when i say universal, i mean bipartisan support and i know that michelle childs will have support separate of republicans including the two republican senators from south carolina. >> do republicans have an obligation in your mind to endorse a history making choice and not let it be only democrats who vote yes for such a nomination? >> well, i wouldn't say they have an obligation to do that. i think it would be well for that to happen. as you know, i'm a big fan of j. edward nixon and that was one of the things i admired about him. he made sure that the civil rights -- both about partisan issues and i really, really admired that about him and i would, i'm sure that republican senators from south carolina would do all they can to make this choice bipartisan and i'm sure they would do so because both of them know michelle real well. and she's just our choice, but i suspect the others, that i don't know as well, i do know sherrilyn ifill. her name has been floated. very smart young lady that i think would make a great supreme court justice as well. i just happen to be for michelle childs. i'm not against any of the others. >> congressman clyburn, appreciate your time. thank you. >> well thank you very much for having me. >> we just spoke about judge childs. more now on her and several other candidates as well as the process as getting a choice confirmed. details on that from paula reid. >> i made it clear my first choice for supreme court will make history as the first african american woman justice. >> a supreme court pick can be a president's most lasting legacy. justices can serve for decades. their decisions last for generations. former president trump solidified a conservative majority with his three court picks. >> i have long been told that the most important decision a president can make is the appointment of a supreme court justice. >> for breyer's spot, judge brown jackson is seen as the front-runner, a former supreme court clerk for breyer, she was vetted recently by biden and his team and confirmed to the d.c. circuit court of appeals to fill the seat left vacant by merrick garland. the circuit is seen as a feeder fehr high court and the move was meant to groom her for a justice position if a vacancy came open. >> when you become a judge, you take an oath to look only at the law in deciding your cases, that you set aside your personal views about the circumstances, the defendants or anything else. >> a close second choice is california supreme court justice, leondra krueger. a former acting deputy solicitor general in the obama administration, she argued a dozen cases before the high court. while she has not been vetted by the administration, she once clerked for john paul stevens. >> i think we tend to forget when we're in the outside world that really, conversations about these very difficult cases are confined to a very small number of people. >> other names circulating, south carolina judge, michelle childs. minnesota district court judge, mimi wright. outstanding defense fund president, sherrilyn ifill. second circuit court of appeals judge, ewan lee and north carolina justice, anita earls. judge childs has been championed by house majority whip, james clyburn. >> i have a high regard and sincere appreciation for our legal system, which is the form of order in our court in our democracy. >> the eventual nominee will likely face a daunting confirmation process. breyer told several people who n nudged him to retire that the confirmation process shouldn't be political. >> if they see them as politicians in robes, it's confidence in the court and the rule of law will only diminish. >> some democrats worried breyer would remain on the bench and with the 2022 midterms looming, senate republicans have already raised the stakes around his retirement with five gop lawmakers telling cnn in december that they would likely oppose any nominee out of this white house if they take the majority in november. >> so we want to get more perspective now. history about to be made. joining us now, valerie jarrett. how significant is this moment in your mind? >> very significant, anderson, and good evening. it is a seismic, historic moment. i am thrilled with president biden announced two years ago in the course of the campaign that he intended to select a black woman. here's the good news as you just heard from paula. there are several very qualified candidates who have the intellectual rigor, temperament and experience to be a real asset to the court and who will contribute to reflects the diversity of our rich country and so i think this is a great moment. it is historic. not just because the person will be a black woman and make history, but because there's so many really well eququalified choices available to president biden from whom to choose. >> you've seen up close the difficulty these nominations can have. do you think potentially the historic nature of this nomination would impact republicans who might be inclined to oppose it? >> well, i don't know. i think if they're really focusing on what's good for the country and not what's in their short-term political interests, they will give the support and it would be great to have bipartisan support for this historic nomination just as justice sotomayor received when she was nominated and confirmed. so i hope that they will want to be on the right side of history and i'm very confident that whoever president biden selects will be somebody who is highly qual qualified for the job. >> and there are a number of candidates being floated. we saw some in that piece. you know president biden well. how do you think he's going to weigh this decision? >> he'll look at their qualifications, their track record, their experience. their life story. he will look at how they will fit in with the rest of the court. it has to work well and be a functioning court and that's when judicial temperament becomes really important. i think ultimately, he'll also go with who he just instinctively thinks will be the best choice possible. this is something that he will take very seriously. obviously, his years of experience as chair of the judiciary makes him very familiar with the range of candidates and the qualifications that are necessary. i'm confident he'll make the right choice. >> in the context of the larger political landscape, with vote rights, build back better, do you think this is an opportunity to in some ways reinvigorate the democratic base? >> i think the base would be very excited about the selection. this isn't just something that will resonate with black people. i think it will resonate broadly not only across the democratic base, but i'm hoping around the country. people should celebrate this historic moment and if they do so, i think it will energize people to look at not just the supreme court, but government. and be engaged and participate, turn out and vote, care about who's running for office. elections have consequences. the supreme court lifetime appointments and they make decisions that affect every single american. this is really important. and so it's a teaching moment as well for people to understand what's at stake in elections and what are the responsibilities that go along with being on the supreme court. i hope everyone tunes in. everyone is engaged in the process. i look forward to having a very thorough review of the candidates. in i think the process should not be jammed through the way president biden's predecessor did. it should be done in a thoughtful and serious way so the public has an opportunity to see exactly what it is that president biden sees in this person, have open hearings, open debate, and hopefully a successful confirmation. >> valerie jarrett, appreciate you tonight. thank you so much. >> you're welcome. up next, a close friend of justice breyer's joins us. also a look at hearings that have left an indelible mark on history and perhaps the court as well. >> from my standpoint, as a black american, as far as i'm concerned, it is a high-tech lynching for uppity blacks who in any way dane to think for themselves. >> later, senator chris murphy who traveled to ukraine, on where things stand now as the administration delivered its written reply to russia's demands. like what if i give you a lollipop... then i give you our best lollipop. that's not fair. at at&t we think it's only fair that all customers get our best deals... ...and you get a choice of plans. she said everyone? 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>> you're asking if i blacked out, i don't know, have you? >> can you answer the question -- that's not -- is that your answer? >> i'm curious if you have. >> i have no drinking problems. >> the committee postponed its vote to hear testimony from two of his accusers. before it was over, this happened. >> if you wanted an fbi investigation, you could have come to us. what you want to do is destroy this guy's life, hold this seat open, and hope you win in 2020. you said that. not me. >> decades earlier, in 1991, judge clarence thomas defended himself against claims of sexual harassment. >> he got up from the table at which we were working, went over to his desk to get the coat. looked at the can and asked, who has put pubic hair on my coat? >> from my standpoint as a black american, as far as i'm concerned, it is a high-tech lynching for uppity blacks who in any way dane to think for themselves. >> tension spill over to committee members. >> somebody in a sleazy way the -- wait, let me just finish. >> i'm going to let you finish then i'm going cut you off real quick. >> on display during this confirmation, a racism charge. senator ted kennedy quoted from a letter, alito was believed to have joined. >> it cited the fact that admission rates for african americans and hispanics were on the rise. >> i'll always deplore any form of racial discrimination or bigotry. >> disgusted, his wife walked off the hearing. >> are yu really a closet bigot? >> i'm not any kind of a bigot. >> judge alito, i am sorry that you've had to go through this. >> it was robert borks failed 1987 nomination that gave rise to the process's partisan divide. by the time reagan nominated him, he was well-known for his believes. >> in his america, there is no room at the inn for blacks and no place in the constitution for women and in our america, there should be no seat on the supreme court for robert bork. >> in the end, he was defeated by a vote of 58-42. the largest margin in history. and his name semibollized outranl for conservatives. to bork was defined in the dictionary as to obstruct by systemically defaming or vilifying a person. randi kaye, cnn, palm beach county, florida. >> in addition to being a distinguished legal scholar, lawrence try was also a close friend of the outstanding justice breyer. professor, you've known justice breyer for a long time. what do you make of his decision to retire? >> i think it was the right decision. it's really important to give president biden a chance to put the first african american woman on the court and all of the nominees that are being bandied about are extraordinarily well fal qualified by experience, temperament. so i think justice breyer really helped his legacy by not holding on any longer. >> the fact that he's announcing his retirement in january, which is very early by court standards in a midterm election year, what does it say to you in terms of concerns he may have about the politics of the looming confirmation process? >> well, if he were as concerned as i wish he had been, he would have resigned sooner still. he would have resigned before this term began last october because he's already waited, even though it's early in the year, he's waited well enough into the process so that mitch mcconnell, who is known for taking every opportunity to squelch initiatives of the opposition party is likely to pull out all the stops this make this difficult and i think that's unfortunate because i think all of the nominees will make history in a very positive way. >> how difficult could mitch mcconnell make it? >> well, he did strike a deal with majority leader schumer back in february of 2021. to have an equal number of senators of both parties on the judiciary committee. some have said that that would enable a solid republican vote to put the nomination on hold, but i think if you look at the senate rules that were passed at that time, it would be possible for senator schumer to discharge the nomination even if it was equally divided in the committee and then a mere majority vote is all it would take in the senate. i think given that several of the senators, if the nominee happens to be jackson, for example, several of the senators on the republican side have already voted for her, that really could be fairly smooth. i think that it's possible for a number of the other nominees to go through quite smoothly. but i think it's important that the hearings be careful, be thorough. the nation become familiar with the nominee and i think that the national ground swell in support of the nominee president biden selects is going to make it very hard for mcconnell to obstruct. >> randi kaye mentioned the defeat of conservative robert bork. you were one of the witnessed who testified against him. i want to play a clip of what you said to the senate judiciary committee. >> a lot of attention is focused on judge bork's quite scornful dismissal of the supreme court's long line of decisions from the 1920s to the present upholding the rights of individuals and families to decide for themselves basic matters of marriage, childbearing, and child rearing. judge bork has basically said that nothing in the constitution authorizes judges to treat a married couple's intimacies in the bedroom any differently from a business enterprise's economic decisions in the board room. >> do you agree his defeat was a watershed moment in supreme court nomination fights? >> i have to say first of all, i wish i had as much hair as i did back then. i do think it was a watershed moment but not for the reasons everyone tends to state. it was a watershed moment because it was an opportunity for the country to hear competing views of basic constitutional questions like the one i was testifying about there about whether the constitution even though it doesn't say anything about bedroom privacy or sexual choice or the right to raise your children or any number of other rights is broad enough to encompass them. that was the first time the country on national television heard all of those ideas ventilated and the fact that judge bork was ultimately rejected because he rejected all of those rights and in that way, frightened the american people, many of them, about his philosophy, represented a kind of turning point. a ratification of a broader view of tconstitution than the curret far right court even with a younger nominee replacing justice breyer is going to take. >> appreciate your time tonight. breaking news in russia. after the u.s. sent a letter to russia addressing the crisis. i'll talk about the details with chris murphy, next. from the very first touch, pampers, the #1 pediatrician recommended brand, helps keep baby's skin drier and healthier. so every touch will protect like the first. pampers ♪ baby got back by sir mix-a-lot ♪ unlimited cashback match... only from discover. 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>> i think russia is sort of hoping to do two things. they're hoping to engage the west and united states in a way that ultimately gets us to agree to these ridiculous demands. that's not going to happen. we are not going to move our troop levels inside the nato alliance back to 1990s levels nor are we going to allow russia to decide whether eukraine join nato or not. i think the other thing they're trying to do is rattle the ukrainian government. putin doesn't want to march an army in. he'd love to have this government fall and a russian friendly government installed instead. so you know, we have to both support ukraine militarily, but also politically to make sure that you know, the people of ukraine understand that they should stick with the government and they shouldn't let these threats from putin end up in there being instability inside kyiv. that's what putin wants. >> there does seem to be this disagreement in words of the white house has used the term imminent. the potential for russian invasion. ukrainian officials have not used that word or said it's not imminent. where do you see, how do you describe the threat? 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>> i think the really dangerous thing is that the governor has put this individual in place as a political measure. as a mouthpiece and that is not what this should be. at the end of the day, again, this is the top doctor in the third largest state in the country. he has a responsibility to care for 21 million people and their health, safety, and well-being. this should not be a political position. this is something who should ensure we're making sound, smart, data-driven positions to keep the people of florida safe and that's not what this individual has done. he's falsely claimed to have treated covid-19 patients at ucla. that never happened. the list goes on and on and on and at the end of the day, we asked more questions and just about the covid-19 pandemic. we asked about other outbreaks the state has had. we talked about other issues related to hiv, minority communities. again, got a lot of niceties, a lot of verbal jiu-jitsu and got no real answers to the questions we were posing and quite frankly, it was beneath the dignity of the florida senate. he was making a mockery of what we were doing and there to do and that's why we decided to walk out on that vote because at the end of the day, we had a lot of work to do and wanted to get to those issues in front of us. >> he was also pretending his answer is scientific answer to that question. but his final, you know, the way he phrased the final, the answer that we just played there, he chose to focus on the most negative aspects, which is that you know, in his, paraphrasing him, that long-term, the vaccines did not show, over a certain period of time, effectiveness. which is certainly true. over a long enough period of time, the vaccines are not as effective. but phrasing it that way is a very strange way to phrase it when in fact, the most direct answer is the vaccines are very effective and the booster shows great efficacy as well as opposed to well, just over an undisclosed long period of time, they're not. >> absolutely, anderson. you are 100% correct. again to the point that this has become a political mouthpiece for the governor. an extremely dangerous measure. 21 million people deserve more than a mouthpiece for the governor. than talking sound bites that sound good and suit a narrative. at the end of the day, we know vaccines work. we know mask wearing works and prevents the spread of covid-19. these are not, these are not very difficult to understand and the top doctor in the state of florida should be able to answer very simple yes or no questions when it comes to the health, safety, and well-being of people across the state. again, somebody who wanted to continue to spew falsities and niceties isn't going to get the job done. >> yeah. appreciate your time. thank you. up next, breaking news in the investigation of matthew gaetz. another key figure once in his orbit is now apparently talking to the feds. page 188... uh carl, are there different planning options in here? 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>> from the beginning, anderson, he has claimed that he has done nothing wrong. in the past he has said he has never had sex with a woman under the age of 17 while he was above the age of 17. his office put it out a statement saying something along those lines, saying not a shred of evidence has implicated congressman gaetz in wrong doing. we remain focused on our work representing floridians. despite this new development, gaetz is not at all changing his story that he has done nothing wrong. >> is there any sense of a timeline this operation has been going on? >> that remains a mystery. keep in mind the federal government has never officially said they're investigating matt gaetz. this has been uncovered through reporting through various sources. and of course we do know about the activity that's been involved with greenberg and some of these others that are tied to matt gaetz. so, there is no timeline as to how long this is going to take. and it could play out for much longer. but obviously the fact they are now getting some of these witnesses to cooperate and be a part of this investigation, that shows they could potentially be getting closer to wrapping the investigation up. >> brian nobles, appreciate it. thanks. we'll be right back. ♪ i'm getting vaccinated with prevnar 20. so am i. because i'm at risk for pneumococcal pneumonia. i'm asking about prevnar 20. because there's a chance pneumococcal pneumonia could put me in the hospital. if you're 65 or older you may be at increased risk for pneumococcal pneumonia. prevnar 20 is approved in adults to help prevent infections from 20 strains of the bacteria that cause pneumococcal pneumonia. in just one dose. even if you've already been vaccinated with another pneumonia vaccine, ask your doctor if prevnar 20 could help provide additional protection. don't get prevnar 20 if you've had a severe allergic reaction to the vaccine or its ingredients. adults with weakened immune systems may have a lower response to the vaccine. the most common side effects were pain and swelling at the injection site, muscle pain, fatigue, headache, and joint pain. i want to be able to keep my plans. that's why i chose to get vaccinated with prevnar 20. because just one dose can help protect me from pneumococcal pneumonia. ask your doctor or pharmacist about getting vaccinated with prevnar 20 today. this is the planning effect from fidelity. ben isn't worried about retirement because his plan is backed by the team at fidelity. a group of investment professionals manages ben's ira for him, analyzing market conditions and helping him stay on target. he gets one-on-one coaching when he wants some advice, and can adjust his plan whenever he needs to. and now he's so prepared for retirement, ben is feeling totally zen. that's the planning effect from fidelity. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com reminder, don't miss if you will circle, our digital news show. you can catch it live mondays, wednesdays, thursdays at cnn.com. the news continues with jim acosta and "democracy in peril." thank you very much. tonight as we continue our series, we have to consider this very serious possibility. >> we are going to

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