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network. but a lot of questions still of how exactly 5g will disrupt air travel. and two viruses, one shot. scientists working on a new boo booster for both covid and the flu. and before then, where is the crest of the omicron surge? thanks for being here. new developments and new signs that russia could be preparing to invade ukraine. the threat so real that it was just announced this morning the secretary of state tony blinken will be traveling to kyiv today to meet with the ukrainian president. russia has been building up forces at ukraine's border for months now, but now "the new york times" is reporting that putin is quietly emptying out its embassies in ukraine, russian embassies, putting spouses and children of russian diplomats on buses headed back to moscow. for what it's worth, the kremlin is denying any such move at this moment. this new trip by america's top diplomat comes after a series of new talks between russia and the west ended without any tangible commitment from russia to de-escalate the serious situation we see with ukraine right now. kylie atwood is at the state department for us. what are the details you're picking up of blinken's trip? >> reporter: secretary blinken is headed to ukraine, the state department said, to continue pres pressing. but what we aren't seeing this morning is any tangible progress on the diplomatic front. earlier today, we know that secretary blinken spoke with foreign minister lavrov of russia. he talked to him about the need to continue pursuing the diplomatic path, but that is the same message that we were hearing from the u.s. at the end of last week when they had all of these diplomatic talks with russia. there is no tangible forward progress at this time that those diplomatic efforts are actually creating momentum for russia to de-escalate the situation. and it's significant that one of the things that secretary blinken is going to do while he is visiting ukraine this week is talk to those who are working for the u.s. state department based at the u.s. embassy in kyiv and explain to them the preparations that are undergoing for contingency options should russia choose to escalate the situation. that is an acknowledgment on the state department's behalf that they are preparing for the worst here. it's ooh also noteworthy that the secretary is traveling to germany after ukraine. that's because the foreign minister of germany is visiting moscow as we speak here, kate. so blinken may learn a little bit more about russia's intentions, what russia is demanding, but of course up until this point all of russia's demands have been nonstarterings for the u.s. and their allies. kate? >> all right. kylie, stick with me. let's get over the fred pleitgen live in moscow with more from there. how are the russians reacting to this? >> reporter: well, so far the russians show no signs of de-escalation. we have an update on what the military situation looks like in and around ukraine with the russian forces that have been amassing. the russians themgss are saying they're conducting sniper drills and what they call their southern military district. that southern military district, that's right on the border with ukraine. so some drills going on there as well. one of the other things that's troubling for the u.s. and its allies, especially for the ukrainians, the russians have started moving forces into belarus. they say there will be large-scale exercises by those two forces in that country at the beginning of february. but of course one of the things we have to keep in mind is that the southern border of belarus is also the northern border of ukraine. so the ukrainians say they're continuously feeling more and more encircled about those forces that are building up. kylie was alluding to it. german foreign minister was here to speak with sergey lavrov, and the russians said they aren't the ones threatening anyone but they feel threatened. listen to sergey lavrov earlier. >> translator: we do not threaten anyone, but we hear threats against us. i hope that all this only reflects the emotions that certain forces within the camp of western countries, we will be guided by concrete steps and deeds. >> reporter: sergey lavrov also says the russians are still waiting for answers from the united states for those military and security concerns that they put forward in the security talks that happened in geneva last week. the russians are saying they want those answers in writing and they want those answers soon. and one of the other things really important today was the foreign minister of germany also saying if russia does further invade ukraine it will have consequences for nord stream 2 pipeline as well, kate. >> fred, thank you so much. kylie, thank you as well. appreciate it. for more, i want to go to the former u.s. ambassador to ukraine william taylor. good to see you again, ambassador. thanks for being here. >> thank you. >> coilie alluded to the statement put out by the state department announcing blinken's trip. it did not mince words when they were putting it out. they kind of lay it all out there. the secretary's traveling complications are part of the diplomatic efforts to de-escalate the tensions caused by russia's military buildup and continued aggression against ukraine. what do you think the secretary can do right now? what would you like to see from him right now? >> so secretary blinken has continued this massive diplomatic effort that has been going on for weeks, and secretary blinken, president biden, national security adviser jake sullivan, the secretary of defense, this has been a major diplomatic effort to build consensus and maintain consensus on challenging the russians, on their threats, their clear threats. minister lavrov's statement notwithstanding, that they don't threaten anyone, they're clearly threatening ukraine. there's evidence and this diplomatic effort is ongoing. secretary blinken going to reassure and consult closely with the ukrainians, doing exactly the right thing. he's not blinking. president zelensky is not blinking. we are standing firm and just staring down the russianings as they rattle their sabres in an i tempt to intimidate, their attempt to intimidate, which so far has failed. >> while so many diplomatic solutions are being looked at in this moment, one that doesn't seem to be on the table is taking this to the u.n. security council, and there's something ta you note with interest. if russia is such a threat, why do you think that hasn't happened? >> kate, that's a good idea. i mean, here you have the u.n. with its u.n. charter that talks about the territorial integrity, ukraine is obviously a sovereign member state of the u.n., and you have russia about to violate all of international law including the u.n. charter, in invading. and this threat to invade is only the latest evidence of that. they've invaded before. they invaded as we know in 2014. so the u.n. security council would be a place, not the only place, obviously, but a place to have this confrontation, to have this discussion. make the russians defend themselves. make the russians say why this is not a violation of the u.n. charter of international law. this would put the evidence right on the table. >> you know, this new reporting out from "the new york times," david sanger and michael schwartz that russia has been thinning out its embassy staff in kyiv, you read that and, you know, the kremlin denies it. but it's seen as a sign of something, but it doesn't seem to be clear what the sign is. propaganda, preparation, both? what do you think? >> kate i think both. i think we have seen several steps, kind of the playbook that the russians have used. they've used hacks. they've used cyberattacks. information warfare. they are planting russian special forces inside ukraine, and those russian special forces will attack russian-led forces in donbas. then they'll say it's the ukrainians attacking russian forces there and that will be the justification for an attack. they are trading to the world they are moving their people from the embassy in kyiv or consulates. this is just part of the attempt, again, to bully, to intimidate, the west into giving them what they want. this is part of the standard playbook. >> what we don't know is if it's going to be a standard conclusion and what that's going to look like now. ambassador, appreciate it. thank you. turning to another developing story, one day before verizon and at&t are planning to deploy 5g technology, the ceos of airlines are worrying the rollout could lead to catastrophic disruptions, how they're describing it, and are begging the biden administration to intervene. pete muntean is live in washington with more on this. pete, what is going on here? >> reporter: the 5g rollout happens tomorrow across the country, major cities east to west, north to south. but the real issue here that airlines say is that what it causes to flight safety, that this could lead to major problems for critical instruments that pilots rely on and that could lead to thousands of delays, thousands of disruptions, thousands of flight cancellations they say. what is at issue here is that the 5g radio spectrum operates on a similar spectrum to what is called a radar altimeter. that's an instrument in commercial airliners and cargo planes and helicopters that beams a radio wave up, giving a hypersensitive look at how high an airplane is above the ground, and this could cause errors in that instrument, these airlines say. so they have set this lever, ten airline ceos, to the department of transportation and the biden administration calling for immediate action here. this rollout was already delayed by two weeks. they say it should be delayed again. and in this letter, they say the ripple effectings across both passenger and cargo operations are workforce and the broader economy are simply incalculable. to be blunt, the nation's commerce will grind to a halt. a white house source tells me there are talks taking place right now between the fcc, between the faa, between the aviation industry, and aviation equipment manufacturers to try and find a solution here. the white house says it is engaged on this to try and find a fix with this deadline only hours away. we're in the 11th hour here, kate. another source familiar with the talks tells me the idea now is to find a buffer zone, lowering the power or turning off these 5g radio towers near runways when seconds really count. you know, these instruments are used for planes to make landings in low visibility. one of the most critical phases of flight. they want a solution here even though the telecom industry says this is really not all that big of a deal. this has happened in 40 other countries they say. at&t and verizon behind this push. at&t owns our parent company. no new comment from at&t and verizon on this. >> i want to ask you about -- i don't know if there can be a difference of opinion on this, but that seems to be what you're laying out. is there harold data on what kind of -- what level of a threat 5g really presents to aviation? >> reporter: there's been a lot of research done on this, and actually last month i went to the aeronautical university in daytona beach, florida, one of the leaders on this. they have a radio spectrum lab where they bombard these instruments with radio frequencies. you can see how they plot out where the spike that would come from a 5g tower and how that interferes with a radar altimeter. so you can physically see this and they've been researching this far while now. this has been on the horizon for some time, but now airlines say they simply cannot do this, they cannot reequip their airplanes with new instrumentation that would come at incredible expense to them. now it is on the telecom industry to budge here. >> so strange. great to see you, pete. thanks for laying it out. let's see what happens in the next day. coming up for us, senate democrats are bracing for voting rights to fail in a key vote. but does it mean -- what does it mean for the reset moment that president biden finds himself in with a big bremppress conferenc planned for tomorrow? 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joining me now, cnn chief congressional correspondent manu raju. also with us cnn political analyst and washington reporter tanu. manu, the end result appears to be a foregone conclusion with this push toward voting rights bills. but what are you watching for in this moment? >> reporter: the question is going to be how far does chuck schumer take this. we know the vote to actually overcome a republican filibuster is expected to happen tomorrow. they're not going to get those 60 votes to overcome a filibuster. at that point, chuck schumer could move to go to change the senate's filibuster rules. we know he does not have the votes to change the rules because of joe manchin and kyrsten sinema. the question will be whether or not schumer carries through with that vote to change the rules. he has said for some time that he still plans to move forward. but if he does, will there be any other defections among the democratic side? one senator from arizona comes from the same state as arizona, has not said how he will come down. some other democrats may weigh whether or not to go along with democratic leadership or side with their party moderates. and there's also a question with schumer. does he want to put some of those senators who don't want to take a position on this on the record? if they do go forward, will this be the end of the effort? will they try again in the coming weeks? the question, too, will be dif they're done on wednesday, they've spent the entire month sfoexed on this issue but won't get something to the president's desk and where does this leave the democrats as they head into midterms when both chambers of congress are at stake. >> you raised the critical questions that need to be answered in real time. talu, democratic congressman, ohio senate candidate tim ryan, he is suggesting a different approach once this fails, an approach i actually think applies beyond the voting rights bills into the rest of the agenda as we've kind of seen this playbook kind of playing through. breaking the voting rights bills, the pieces, into smaller builts to try to pass. listen to this. >> i think we have to call the question and make sure we know where everybody stands on that issue and continue to fight. and maybe we take smaller chunks of the voting rights piece. maybe we make election day a holiday. let's get that done. and then you start moving forward. let's maybe take smaller chunks but in the right direction. i think the american people would like to see that. >> this was also suggested for build back better. i mean, do you think this could work? >> it's difficult to see it working because you still have the math question. you still have republicans that are largely in lock step against many of the things that the democrats want to do now. there are some smaller ideas, the electoral account act that could possibly get republican support. even the idea of making election day a federal holiday, you hear republicans say this is federalizing state and local elections, we should leave it at the state and local level, let states decide when they want to have their elections and how they want to have voting take place and the votes counted and not have it dictated by washington. that's the talking point you hear from republicans. there are very few pieces of this large voting bill that could pass muster with republicans who essentially are in favor of allowing states which many republican-led states rolling back voting rights, they're happy with that and don't want washington to sort of try to reverse that. so even breaking this into smaller pieces could be hard to get past the fact that they don't have the math, they don't have the votes as long as the filibuster is in place they won't get anything passed unless they get 60 votes, needing 10 republicans, even a handful, getting 10 seems hard to see at this point, especially with the election just about ten months away. >> tim ryan, manu, also puts this on the president and the white house. and he said that the hill needs the administration to lead the way to get anything done. president biden's holding a big press conference tomorrow afternoon. do you get a sense from folks on the hill that he can reset and restart from here? i mean, what impact did his visit just last week have? >> reporter: it didn't have a whole lot of impact. what you here from democrats is palpable concern heading into the midterms. they see the poll numbers, the fact their agenda is stalled. they got two major pieces of legislation done last year, the infrastructure law done on a booi bipartisan basis. but everything else was essentially stuck. so the question for democrats now is what is their message heading into the midterms? how do they refocus and get their party unified? because if they continue to set up these high-profile fights only to be divided and lead to essentially nothing, how does that help them come 2022 in november? that's the big question for them, how they change their messaging and can they get on the same page over the next several weeks. >> great question for the president. he holds that big press conference tomorrow. good to see you both. thank you very much. coming up for us, the surge of omicron cases may have peaked in the united states, but hospitals remain strained. is this good news or bad? 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is this the crest? >> well, it could be. i mean, it makes sense that the peak would start to go down first where it initially went up, which is in the northeast, the big northeast cities, new york city, new york state, then washington, d.c. so it is starting to go down. here's the big question, kate, does it go down as quickly as it went up? or we've seen other waves in which it starts to go down and kind of gets stuck halfway and continues on for a period of time. so we're not in a position to start high-fiving ourselves yet on this and something to watch carefully. and remember there's always a lag in the deaths, so we're now hitting 2,000 deaths a day. so i can't stress enough we have to stop the happy talk about omicron. this is still a very serious pathogen, especially in light of the fact that so much of our health care workforce is getting knocked out at home with covid on unable to take care of the sick. that's another reason why mortality goes up as well. >> absolutely. with this there's also kind of the big question of what does it mean that everyone got infected so quickly? with so many people getting infects do quickly, what does it mean for natural immunity and moving this pandemic into maybe an endemic phase? because dr. fauci says we don't know yet if this is going to happen this year. but when do you think we will know? >> so here's what i think, and for transparency, there is not consensus in the scientific community, and the next person you bring on may say something completely different. but i'm of the opinion that omicron is not going to produce significant and durable immunity. i say that because it tends to -- i think lit resemble more some of the upper respiratory coronaviruses, which are known to have short-lived immunity. i think what's going to happen is those individuals who have been infected and recovered and have not gotten vaccinated on top of it are going to be vulnerable to yet another wave. i think we're going to -- there's a good likelihood we'll see another serious covid wave of a new variant, tbd, to be determined, that's going to start in the summer, in texas, in the southern united states, just like what happened in 2020 with the original lineage in 2021 with delta. so the bottom line is until we show that resolve to vaccinate the world, i think we're in for another big peak over the summer. >> interesting. and to that point, espn's stephen a. smith, who was back on air yesterday for the first time since he fell ill with covid, he was vaccinated when he got infected. i want to play for you how he described his ordeal. >> i had a 103-degree fever every night, woke up with chills in a pool of sweat, headaches were massive, coughing profusely. it got to a point that right before new year's eve i was in the hospital, new year's eve into new year's day. that's how i brought in the new year. they told me had i not been vaccinated i wouldn't be here. that's how bad i was. i wanted to take a moment to say to folks out there that, a, the vaccine, according to them, saved me. but you can be averse to the vaccine and whatever, and i'll try to get into that and not try to encourage or discourage anybody. i'm just telling you my story. the one thing i did get from this above all else is that mask is pivotal because you don't know how you might affect the person sitting next to you. and it's about other people, not just yourself. >> we're all in it together. >> when talking about this global pandemic. >> what do you think a story coming from a major figure like this, a story like, but not a major figure in meld sin, in sports, what do you think it does -- >> listen, there are many, many more people listening to stephen a. smith than peter j. hotez. so he's one of the best in the business. i listen to him every chance i get. i think he's got a lot of wisdom. and it really showed through in his comments. i do appreciate that stephen a. smith made those comments. he's going to save a lot of lives by doing that. the one thing i will say, i did read in some reports that he got two doses and didn't get his booster. and the reason that's important is because there was a lot of confusion about what fully vaccinated means. it's not stephen a. smith's fault, but we have too much messaging that two doses counts for full immunization and it's not holding up well for the omicron variant, not just symptomatically but in terms of hospitals. if cnn can confirm that, he did not get his booster, you might even say this might be another wake-up call to get your booster as well because that could keep you out of the hospital. >> yeah. information at my fingertips right now. good to see you. >> thank you. coming up for us, the fbi is warning faith communities about the potential for more violence after the hostage standoff at a texas synagogue. you'll want to hear how the rabbi talks of their escape, saying training is what saved their lives. investing strategiesax-st designed to help you keep more of what you earn. this is the planning effect. 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>> well, kate, i have many reactions, i mean, but i am alarmed and angry more than anything else. i mean, this is a rabbi who showed up at services to teach torah and had to implement tactical maneuvers. this is insane, and no one should think of this as normal at all. i really appreciated shimon's intro, but let's all be very clear about this. the fbi hasn't said all religious institutions. they're saying synagogues, because, again and again and again, the jewish community finds itself targeted. i mean, i have to worry about sending my kids to hebrew school, about my wife going to a kosher supermarket, about my nephews going to their jcc because these are all places that have been targeted where jews have been attacked, held hostage, and murdered. it isn't normal, and we've got to finally wake up and do something about it. >> something that the adl -- you and i have discusses do many times -- is your ability to track hate and anti-semitism in america. and on the heels of this warning from the fbi and dhs, does their assessment match what adl is seeing in response to this hostage situation? >> well, certainly, again i think i give a lot of credit to law enforcement for handling saturday as well as they did, as well as the heroism of rabbi charlie, again, who showed so much calm and so much leadership. butbled when he said it was training from the adl that helped him survive. that's what he said, because that's what we do. they're correct to say there's real risk here, kate. remember that six months to the day at pittsburgh, we had the shooting at is synagogue in poway. we're almost seven years to the day from the attack on the kosher supermarket in paris. we've talked about other attacks in recent years. there is real risk. and if we want to start it, i think we need to acknowledge a few things. we can never build, you know, walls that are high enough. we can never have enough cameras. preparation is essential. and i am so glad the rabbi did it. we are concerned, but we are not daunted. you'll see more jews show up for synagogue on saturday morning than anyone could imagine, but there are steps we need to take to stop this from happening again. >> this is exactly ly what you n about in your new book. this level of violence is happening and will continue to happen. i want to read one piece of the book which you write, "my fear is that if we allow hate to go unchecked, we might well look back on this moment as the turning point at which america became unraveled and the american berserk came into ascendance." you have been tracking hate and anti-semitism for decades. what is you niqunique about thi moment? >> one of the things is, first of all, that the level of incidents have risen to a historic number. in the last three years, we had the highest number and the third highest number of incidents the adl has ever tracked in over 100 years of fighting hate and over four years of tracking these kinds of incidents. number two, smoocial media has brought this into the middle of our public conversation. it's literally dredged up the sludge and allowed it to seep into the mainstream. and with facebook and the other companies doing not nearly enough despiltd their trillions of dollars in market capitalization. and number three, we have polarization and extremism has been normalized, kate. on the far right, you have people who say that what happened on january 6th was nothing unusual despite men wearing camp auschwitz sweatshirts and ram paging through our capitol believing that jews somehow controlled the government. on the far left, you have leaders demanding, calling adl their enemy and saying we need to watch out for polite zionists. look, if you demonize the jewish people or the jewish state, if you make these wild accusations, if you traffic in conspiracies, you create the conditions for violence. it starts with words. so i want to see people on the left and on the right call this out, especially when it comes from their own tribe. so, kate, we don't have to have this conversation again. >> it is always good to have you here. thank you for your vigilance. really appreciate it. >> thank you. >> thank you. coming up for us, britain's prime minister is defending himself again after a former aide claims that he lied to parliament. a live report from london next. . >> woman: what?! >> vo: ...i searched for someone who re i found the experts at safelite autoglass. with their exclusive technology, they fixed my windshield... then recalibrated the camera attached to my glass so my safety systems still work. who knew that was a thing?! >> woman: safelite has service i can trust. >> singers: ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace. ♪ living with diabetes? 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