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and here he is. hey, don lemon. >> hey, i was just confused because i saw cnn tonight. remember when this used to be -- wait a minute, what show am i? what's happening here? >> you're not having the kevin mccarthy amnesia, are you, don? >> i thought you liked me. >> no, i do. you did call me annie oakley yesterday but -- >> i called you laura oakley. what a joke. a d-o-k-e. that was corny. i know. it true. he is being really selfish but the australia government made missteps as well because i'll put that aside but maybe he should be looking out for the bigger picture, which is the people there getting no publicity. they're not focused on what they're supposed to be doing. the attention isn't on the players but all on him and he as one of the other players said, i'm sure the others are thinking the same think, he made the decision not to get vaccinated so these are the consequences. >> i mean, you know, here in the states we hear the same argument, i have the right to do what i want. it's a free country. we consider our president. we talk about the leader of the free world. you know, that sort of notion. but there are consequences to what you choose to do and honestly, i know it's knot a direct comparison but i keep thinking about the wonderful, powerful simone biles who made a decision based on what she wanted to do when the stakes were so high and even though people thought there would be consequences what the draw would be, she thought what would be best for the sport and my other teammates. this isn't a team sport in tennis but i just juxtapose those two, and i see it worlds apart. >> i'm surrounded by very, very smart and talented knowledgeable women tonight from you and mary standing by so i got to go. >> go, go, go. >> really enjoyed your shows this week. have a good one. >> nice seeing you, don lemon. >> stay warm. see you, laura coates. >> this is "don lemon tonight" and we have breaking news. the breaking news tonight that everybody is talking about, i know that's what i'm interested in and that is tennis star novak djokovic is exactly where he did not want to be tonight. not on the court practicing for the australia open but in detention after his visa was revoked for a second time on the verge of being kicked out of the country amid this drama over his refusal to be vaccinated. a hearing on the case set for sunday. the day before he hopes to play in the first round of the open. cnn's phil black has the latest now from melbourne. phil? >> reporter: don, novak djokovic was ordered by a court to present himself, hand himself over to australia authorities early saturday morning melbourne time. he is now considered in mandatory detention. he's allowed to spend time with his lawyers under close supervision by border officers but to prepare his case to sit in on virtual hearings, however, tonight, he will once again spend the night sleeping in australia immigration detention center. the latest landing him in court served by australia's immigration minister alex hawke, canceling novack djokovic's visa a second time, citing health and it was in the best public interest to do so. djokovic's lawyer claimed the minister's reasoning is very different from everything argued in this case so far. the underlying new rational is mr. djokovic being in australia in melbourne in particular will excite anti-vax sentiment. that's the point, a radically different approach. the matter will likely be heard by a court in detail on sunday. keeping alive djokovic's hopes of a quick legal win which would allow him to play in monday's opening round of the australian open. but now player has ever prepared for a grand slam title like this. once again the world's number one tennis player must spend the weekend detained by australia's border force. >> cancellation means mandatory detention. >> reporter: he's a former senior official in australia's immigration department. he said politically the australian government had no choice but to try again. but it's a high stakes move. >> because there is the possibility if they push through with this, they lose. and that means more humiliation. >> yes. they'll all be very aware legally they could lose this case, and that would be truly embarrassing. you know, it would be a really bad look. i mean the real implication is how badly australia looks in the eyes of the world if it loses a second court case. >> one immigration lawyer says the minister's powers are wide and not easily changed. >> they would have to articulate very strong grounds that the minister made a jurisdictional error, and under australian immigration laws i believe that would be a difficult hurdle for them to jump. >> reporter: this unprecedented saga may finally be approaching a resolution, one that could carry powerful consequences for australian politics and the career of one of the greatest tennis players of all-time. don, a preliminary hearing saturday morning confirmed main arguments will be heard in court on sunday. from the insight we've received so far the arguments are going to be very different this time because the government's reasons for canceling his visa have changed. so this time no one is going to be talking about whether djokovic was right in thinking he could come here with an exemption from vaccination because he'd recently recovered from covid-19. the focus this time is going to be on the impact of his presence in australia among other vaccine skeptics. >> all right, phil, thank you very much. appreciate that. let's talk about that and more. i want to bring in mary carrillo, a sportscaster and former tennis player. great to have you on. thank you, appreciate it. what a saga. >> it's a soggy saga. it's so unnecessary. it's so chaotic, don. it's the most in elegant of all the sagas tennis has had in the last year and there have been a cup. it's such a pity. >> yeah, it is. he could be deported. there's a lot on the line for him and the government. the government seems to be determined to send him home. what do you expect to happen? because he is still slated to play on monday, mary. >> to play you know what happens at these grand slam events that you've been to. you know, they play the top half one day and the bottom half the next day. he is in the top half. obviously he's the number one seed. is he going to show up on monday? is he going to be playing? for my money you put the extremely tremendous the number one women's seed on monday, i'm not sure. i don't know anymore. it's so messy, and again, so unnecessary. and we were talking about this before. you know, when you write the story of novack djokovic when his obit comes out many years from now where do we put this part, don? what determines where this goes in the great history of this tremendous champion? >> i think it depends you know on what it is for him or if you're just writing a story about him is it first, second, third paragraph? he defies the australian government and wins, and then he wins the open -- it's up high. but what about all of this. let's say he does win and he goes onto lose. then they'll say was it all worth it because he's actually -- i think he actually has more on the line, mary, than the australian government. do you disagree with that? >> oh, he absolutely has more on the line, don. because if he gets deported, if you've got a deportation thing on your visa, on all your travel documents for someone like novack that means he doesn't get to enter australia, and other governments are changing their rules as covid goes on. this is huge. this could affect his career. it could taint his legacy which is a pity. i think he's the greatest tennis player i've ever seen, and i've seen a lot of them. i'm elderly. what's amazing is this guy has had -- he's got the most remarkable footwork in the world. i mean, when you see him manage the court, move on every surface because he's won everything twice, all majors twice -- he has made so many missteps but he's not alone. tennis australia has really screwed up. there's been a heavy hand in this putting him in that detention hotel. and now we see what australia's rules are. i mean, that is tough seeing all that draconian rules it seems for -- >> let me ask you about that. because months ago the australian open decided all their players were going to have to be vaccinated. djokovic -- everybody who's playing if you're a top seed you know that. he had plenty of time to get his shots. my question is he putting himself above the rules? because you don't just cover tennis. you're not just a former tennis champion. you cover all sports. we're seeing this in all sports. seeing what's happening in the nba and nfl and so on. is he putting himself above the rules? >> i think he puts himself separate from -- people say he's anti-vax and obviously he's not yet been vaccinated, but what he says is it's a personal choice. i mean, it's not a team sport. but i mean this is really screwing things up for him. >> mary, i agree it is a personal choice. it's a personal choice if i tell my boss i've decided i don't want to get vaccinated and he says, well, then you can no longer come into this building. so i have to suffer the consequences, does he alow me to then do my show from my home, or does he say, don, these are the rules and if i make this exception for you i've got to do it for everybody else. so it was nice working with you, here's a little dough on the way out, i'll see you later. do you understand what i'm saying? >> i totally understand what you're saying, and i agree with you. this vaccine exemption he was trying to go for is a slippery loophole. it's about recent serious illness that would prevent you from getting the vaccination. this is novack's choice not to be vaccinated. that's his choice, so i think that tennis australia when they were trying to use that to get him in, i mean come on, man, there was all wrong, too. so much has gone wrong. and we find out that novack knew he was covid positive and he was appearing in public unvaxed and unmasked. >> how do you feel about that as an athlete? how do you feel about that? >> terrible. as a human being. look, my man, my main man, my action figure dr. fauci, you don't put other people at risk no matter what your own personal beliefs are. and then we find out he says there's a screw up with his paperwork, but he's in two different countries serbia and spain, and like he apologizes for that. i mean, novack, my man, dude -- >> mary, i've got to run unfortunately because i've got a long way to go and a short time to get there. but can you come back? that was smoky and the bandit. we've got a long way to go and a short time to get there. thank you, mary. you have a great weekend and stay safe. it's good to see you. thank you, bye. look, he says he's not guilty, not a danger to the public, but the leader of the oath keepers facing a rare and extremely serious charge, seditious conspiracy over the january 6th attack on the capitol. where else would the investigation lead? preet bharara and michael fanone, both here. they're next. after you. wahoooo! 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>> yeah, it look like it. people will say and i've heard other experts talk about this and i've talked about it, it's a rare charge because it's rare conduct. and on prior occasions including not that long ago in 2012, a significant seditious conspiracy charge was brought against a number of individuals in michigan. it didn't fair well. the case didn't go well. people were acquitted. there have been judges who had problems with some of these charges. these seem more strong for a couple of reasons. one, it's very targeted to a particular kind of conduct. you're not talking about generalized overthrow of the government to the extent people didn't have the ability or power. to do that here seditious conspiracy is essentially conspiracy to interfere with or obstruct or stop or prevent the execution of any law. and here is a very particular law that was being executed at the time, the certification of the votes. so that's one thing. the specificity of it, the concreteness of it. and the other is this indictment that runs to 48 pages has paragraph after paragraph that recites communications that were made available to law enforcement obviously from someone i think was cooperating because it's encrypted app communications. and you have chapter and verse about how the leader of the oath keepers and others going back weeks before january 6th was plotting, planning to use violence, to use weaponry in a tactical way to interfere with the execution of a particular u.s. law. so i think it's stronger than a case we have seen in the past that have not faired well in part because of the encrypted evidence, i think. >> mike, we've talked about this, about there not being weapons, you know, heard preet talk about these encrypted communications, purchasing weapons and tactical gear, even a plot to dock a boat near the capitol with more weapons. as someone who risked his life defending our capitol that day, what goes through your mind when you hear about all of this preparation? i think you -- i think you believe -- pardon me if i'm wrong -- in our communications and our conversations that you believe this was planned, it wasn't something that just popped up? it wasn't spontaneous. >> yeah, no, i think it flies directly in the face of that, you know, false narrative that this was a holy or, you know, a completely spontaneous event. clearly there are elements here that planned, prepared and trained to participate in the insurrection that day. you know, these group chat command structure, their leaders also were intimately involved whether they were there that day or not in the plan, preparation and training for that day. you know, just confirms what so many that were there on the ground on january 6th like myself experienced with these organized elements that were exploiting the chaos of the day that had a clear, concise mission and came prepared. >> you know, you don't show up to a peaceful protest wearing kevlar helmets and ballistic vests. >> and some of the moves that they used were military moves, and also as you have been eltleing me and others, commander kyle as well there were weapons and guns. and all the while the narrative has been there were no guns, there were no weapons, they weren't armed. but at least if this information is correct, all of that is not true. they were indeed armed, and that's the evidence of it. preet, on the morning of january 6th rhodes sent a message saying in part and i quote here we'll have well equipped qrfs outside. what are prosecutors doing to who those people are -- to find out who those people are and whether there were communications to trump or his allies? >> well, i think they're doing what they did to transform the original charges against a number of these people into the seditious conspiracy charges we're talking about today, and that is flipping witnesses, people who have been charged, seeing if they will cooperate. some of these people who haven't cooperated before might be under much more significant pressure to cooperate because this seditious conspiracy charge carries a maximum penalty of 20 years, and every single person who flips and cooperates is in a position to provide communication documents to law enforcement so you can find all the people involved, many of whom have come under indictment obviously, but a number of whom probably have not been. so i think, you know, they're going to continue along the same vein and push and push and push so they can get as many witnesses to say as much stuff as possible about other people. >> mike, the house republican leader kevin mccarthy, you're very familiar with him. he's refusing to cooperate with the select committee. he's claiming there's nothing he could provide, but i want you to check out -- this is an interview that cnn's k file found six days after the insurrection where he is talking about donald trump and what donald trump said about the insurrection. >> i say he has responsibility. he told me personally that he does have some responsibility. i think a lot of people do. what i proposed, which i think history will say i'm right, this is the right thing to do i believe, have a bipartisan commission and get all your facts. actually work through the grand jury to find out at the end instead of predetermining whether someone's guilty or not. >> having heard that, a question we have asked you before, what do you think of these leaders like kevin mccarthy who are now -- who said one thing immediately after and now saying another thing, really speaking out of both sides of their mouths? >> yeah, i mean, i don't think there's a whole lot new here. when we saw this whole thing unfold with the flip-flopping of all these different political leaders. it just so happened in this instance kevin mccarthy got caught with his pants down. but to me it speaks to kevin mccarthy's character. he's placed, you know, his own political future and that of his party above holding those responsible for the january 6th insurrection accountable. i mean, it's a sad commentary on the type of elected leaders that we have just people that have no integrity and no honor. >> michael, preet, thank you both. i appreciate it. if you've been waiting for a package that has been, you know, long delayed like most of us, well, it turns out it could be right here. look at this. you have to look at your screen. check this out. all these packages littered among the thousands of boxes. they are stolen off of cargo trains. wait until you see this story coming up. at morgan stanley, a global collective of thought leaders offers investors a broader view. ♪ we see companies protecting the bottom line by putting people first. we see a bright future, still hungry for the ingenuity of those ready for the next challenge. today, we are translating decades of experience into strategies for the road ahead. we are morgan stanley. ♪ my name is austin james. as a musician living with diabetes, fingersticks can be a real challenge. that's why i use the freestyle libre 2 system. with a painless, one-second scan i know my glucose numbers without fingersticks. now i'm managing my diabetes better and i've lowered my a1c from 8.2 to 6.7. take the mystery out of managing your diabetes and lower your a1c. now you know. try it for free at freestylelibre.us unitedhealthcare medicare plans offer more... like the “visit a doctor anywhere our rv takes us” plan. and the “zero copays means more money for rumba lessons” plan. find the right plan for you from unitedhealthcare. get medicare with more. this next story is absolutely crazy. you have to see it to believe it, okay? 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>> he's the same brother from kentucky. he used the filibuster -- he lifted the filibuster when he wanted to stack the courts with his conservatives, but that's the just the beginning of the hypocrisy. but keep in mind, brother don, we come from people of great tradition that said we're never paralyzed by despair never at. we've got to bear witness. when you bear witness, though, brother, it's not just a political thing. we're dealing with spiritual melt down. that spiritual melt down. that's a spiritual melt down tied to a political break down so there's no civic virtue and civic life since that person can no longer relate to the person as a human being. when you have distrust, despair, when you have paranoia, when you have poverty. not just material poverty, poverty of imagination, poverty of vision. that's what america is coming to terms with. and what is happening, we are not just things breaking down, but we're getting this massive collapse of spirit, of civic virtue in the country. that's how you lose your democracy or the little democracy we have left. that's why martin luther king jr. and is legacy is so important. if we can't come to terms with poverty, militarism, racism and the need for a strong public life, then we lose a democracy. that's the history of the black freedom struggle. that's what frederick douglas say, whatidea b. wells said, that's what harriet tubman said, fannie lou hamer said. what kind of witness are we going to bear? all of our fellow citizens in various contecs, we just have to bear witness. we're not in full control of this thing. don't get discouraged. i was with my brothers and sisters, these are citizens engaged in a hunger strike. they're bearing witness. we've got to all bear witness across gender, across race, sexual orientation to see whether the best of the american spirit, the best of the human spirit and the best of the black tradition of deep love, genuine love, radical love of truth and beauty, goodness. >> well, in this moment -- well, in this moment, listen, you can't worry about what is unpopular, right? you have to do the right thing in this moment. >> it's about integrity. >> it's about integrity. >> not purity. none of us are pure, now. integrity. >> right. consistency and integrity. what mitch mcconnell did is not consistent, right? it's hypocrisy. and speaking of hunger strikes joe madison is on a hunger strike as well. he's wasting away over there. >> lord have mercy. >> i know. thank you, sir. it's always a pleasure. >> stay strong now. >> we're cold here. l.a., you guys are doing well. we're freezing. thank you, dr. west. voting rights hitting a brick wall as we've been talking about. a big defeat at the supreme court, inflation sky high. you saw the desperation of people, the packages on the tracks there in l.a. and speaks to what's happening in our economy and what's happening in our country. how will president biden respond to this brutal week? 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then he gave the speech there, and some key figures didn't show up. he didn't really have the support of the people who wanted him to get at it sooner. >> yeah. voting rights is near and dear to my heart, and quite honestly, it's an issue that is very popular across the country. i am very frustrated at where we are right now on this issue. i'm not giving up hope. look, if you're going to be an advocate or an activist, you cannot let one bad week deter you. that's not what happened during the civil rights movement, and that's not going to happen with this voting rights movement. i'm frustrated with kyrsten sinema, with joe manchin, but the 50 republicans also that are sitting there idly doing nothing to help save our democracy, i think mitch mcconnell's speech this week, when in his response to president biden's speech down in georgia, was comical. it was offensive. i think they often try to make fraud and suppression a synonym and they are quite opposite. suppression can exist even though we know fraud doesn't really exist in this election system. and i don't think that for the people act or the john lewis voting rights act is an overreach. i think our democracy is in crisis and that if real people were in leadership right now, meaning the republicans that are elected right now and joe manchin and kyrsten sinema, we would be able to get this bill passed. but for some reason, they continue to play politics, and quite honestly not put our democracy first. >> yeah. charlie, there should be more people like you there because when you were there, voting rights, it was unanimous. i mean we even showed mitch mcconnell, who was in congress at the time, saying, you know what? 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