Transcripts For CNN CNN Newsroom With Alisyn Camerota and Vi

Transcripts For CNN CNN Newsroom With Alisyn Camerota and Victor Blackwell 20240709



let's bring in meteorologist jennifer gray who is tracking the storm for us. where will it hit and when? >> it's already beginning. look at winter storm warnings, advisories watches, already in place from the upper midwest all the way down to the deep south. it's snowing in places like iowa, and they can see more than a foot of snow in some places and the storm system is going to basically just dive straight down to the south. a lot of areas will start with rain, end up with a little bit of a wintry mix, and then end up with snow. it's very tricky once we get to the deep south how much snow or freezing rain or ice we're going to get across some of these regions, especially places like atlanta. could be sort of a game time call, depending on what we're going to get and when. we also are looking at a crippling ice event setting up most likely around the carolinas, some areas could get up to an inch of ice. and we're talking about travel will be impossible. trees will be down. power lines will be down, and so we could see a nightmare scenario in some of these locations. look at this, up to a 1/2 inch, an inch of ice, the models are definitely differing still. we're going to have to wait and see these models come together. either scenario is not going to be good for the carolinas if that sets up. snow forecast, could see a foot of snow across the appalachians. >> all right. jennifer gray, thank you very much. >> brand new hour, it's good to be with you, i'm victor blackwell. >> and i'm alisyn camerota. in just a few minutes, the leader of the far right extremist group, the oath keepers is due to appear in fourth. stewart rhodes is one of eleven defendants who the justice department charged with sedition on thursday for their involvement in the january 6th insurrection. >> these are the most significant charges in the investigation so far, and prosecutors say rhodes and others were plotting for violent takeovers well beyond january 6th. these indictments detail the arsenal of weapons and equipment they brought to the capitol and purchased in the weeks following. >> cnn justice correspondent jessica schneider joins us live. before we get to rhodes, another defendant, edward viejo just appeared virtually for his federal court appearance in arizona, what did we learn from that one. >> the hearing, the initial appearance just wrapped in federal court in arizona. the way it's laid out, he'll have another hearing next thursday. that will determine if he's eligible for release. he will be held until then. it's all because he is facing this serious charge of seditious conspiracy for allegedly plotting to violently overthrow the government along with ten other dfefendants including stewart rhodes who we're expecting at 3:30 in court. they outlined his role in the indictment, he led quick reaction force teams where a few oath keepers actually stayed behind at a hotel in virginia where they stockpiled weapons and they were ready, apparently, to move into the capitol with those weapons if other oath keepers called for back up. this is from the indictment. while certain oath keeper members and affiliates bridged the capitol grounds and building, others remained stationed just outside of the city if qrf teams, they were prepared to rapidly transport firearms and other weapons into washington, d.c. in supportive operations aimed at using force to stop the lawful transfer of presidential power. the qrf teams were coordinated in part by caldwell and vallejo. vallejo was just in court, accused of working hand in hand with oath keeper founder stewart rhodes and others. what prosecutors are outlining as this month's long plan. they all messaged starting in november, over these encrypted apps like signal. they formulated their plan, and then as they moved toward d.c. at the beginning of january, stewart rhodes is accused of spending thousands of dollars buying firearms equipment along the way. then we get to january 6th, and after several members allegedly breached the capitol, they apparently celebrated that night at a virginia restaurant and discussed some next steps. rhodes was the one leading this call, and prosecutors say after january 6th, he spent more than $17,000 in weapons. they say he was ready for more violence, and he called for his members to organize local militias to oppose the biden administration. so you know, victor and alisyn, all of these allegations for these eleven defendants, they are carefully laid out in what is a lengthy and jam packed 48 page indictment, and what's clear here is that the justice department, and we have seen it in court filings preceding this, they have been working methodically getting some of these oath keeper members to cooperate, and they have shared encrypted messages to illuminate and spell out this plot. the question is moving forward, you know, will stewart rhodes possibly provide any helpful information to prosecutors to indicate maybe others were involved. that's the big question as we move forward into the coming months here, guys. >> jessica schneider thank you for all of that. the january 6th house committee continues to expand its investigation into the insurrection. sources tell cnn former acting defense secretary christopher miller is meeting virtually with the panel today. he was the top pentagon official on the day of the capitol riot. so on thursday, the panel met with former new york police commissioner bernard carrick who worked with rudy giuliani in a search for election fraud. >> the committee has issued subpoenas to giant social media companies, cnn's ryan nobles joins us now. let's talk about minority leader kevin mccarthy, and cnn's k file has uncovered a radio interview shortly after the riot where he says that the former president, donald trump, admitted personally to bearing some responsibility for the attack. tell us more. >> yeah, victor. this is more evidence that there's a lot about what kevin mccarthy knows leading up to on january 6th and after january 6th that hasn't really been publicly revealed. we knew that at one point mccarthy told some of his republican colleagues in a closed door meeting that the president had expressed some responsibility for what had happened on january 6th but he quickly walked that back and had really come to defend the former president in the days after ji january 6th. this is the first time we're actually hearing him say those words. take a listen to what he told this radio host in bakersfield shortly after the january 6th insurrection. >> i say he has responsibility, he told me personally that he does have some responsibility. i think a lot of people do. what i proposed which i think history will say i'm right, this is the right thing to do, i believe, have a bipartisan commission and get all of your facts. actually work through the grand jury to find out at the end instead of pre-determining whether someone's guilty or not. >> so there's quite a few remarkable things about that interview. first, of course, him saying that donald trump told him that he bore some responsibility because the president has never said that publicly and he's actually said the exact opposite. also what mccarthy had to say about his desire for a bipartisan commission, victor and alisyn, you'll remember he pushed hard against that, and there was actually legislation on the table, and it was ultimately senate republicans that prevented it from happening. >> ryan nobles for us on capitol hill, thank you so much. charlie dent is a former republican congressman from pennsylvania, jeffrey toobin is cnn chief legal analyst, and phil mudd is a cnn counter terrorism analyst. welcome to you all. congressman, let me start with you and what we just heard from ryan nobles, this new sound from minority leader mccarthy. is it time, first, to put aside this, i guess it's a courtesy of not subpoenaing or issuing subpoenas for other members to try to get him to testify, even if it's not successful to take the next step? >> well, i do think kevin mccarthy and other members should voluntarily come in and tell the committee what they know. i think it's rather insulting to congress that members are saying, hey, i have nothing to adhere, the information is not relevant. well, that's not really up to the member to determine. it's up to the committee to determine. and so, you know, taking that step to subpoena is a rather large one, and i don't say that lightly because it does set precedent. i can't think of times when we have subpoenaed members, maybe there were ethics cases years ago where that happened. it just doesn't happen. there are all kinds of political and legal reasons why the committee may not want to do that. but it's sad to me because you just played that audio where kevin has changed his position on the commission, he changed his position on trump's culpability, and by the way, on the commission, i'm very saddened that my friend john katko just snoannounced he's no running again. he's the one who negotiated an independent commission with bennie thompson and got what leader mccarthy wanted and they took john katko's legs out from under him. he's had enough, he announced he's retiring. >> we have seen it time and again, there's a pattern, charlie, as we've talked about here. so phil, when you hear about how much worse it could be, i mean, in these encrypted communications, the oath keepers, allegedly, according to the indictment, were bragging to each other about the cache of weapons they were bringing. i'll read a portion of it. while traveling rhodes spent approximately $6,000 on an ar platform rifle and firearms equipment including sights, mounts, triggers, slings and additional firearms attachments, rhodes then spent approximately $4,500 in mississippi on firearms equipment, including sights, mounts, an optic plate, a magazine and various firearms. that's just a portion. i mean, that's just a bit of it. what does that tell you, phil? >> it tells me more about the future than the past. if i was an analyst still investigating this kind of stuff, once you turn it over to the prosecutors and the department of justice as an analyst watching cases develop, you go and say, what's next. so let me give you a couple of clues that you just talked about. number one, not only the willingness of people like this, and remember polling shows there are millions of people, millions who sympathize with potentially with the use of violence to protect what they think is democracy. millions of people who sympathize with violence. there's a spike in gun purchases in the united states. there's information clearly on the political side that shows if politicians are going to return to this theme of stolen elections in 2022 and 2024, and meanwhile, as you look at these court documents come out, you can anticipate that sympathizers are going to say, how did these guys get caught, how did they get flipped, and how do we avid that happening in the future. i look at the magnitude, a bunch of peek synthetic and learning, how are they going to learn more in the next two, three years. >> the attorney for stewart rhodes was on with brianna keilar this morning in this exchange on "new day" answering the basic question of defense, if they weren't come to go attack, to try to change the outcome through force, why were they here, and why did they have so many weapons? here's how he explained the defense. >> they did believe that they were going to have to respond to antifa or be called up by the president, but what's interesting is they didn't bring any of that into the district of columbia. they left it in virginia. if they were going to do any of those things, they would have brought weapons with them into the capitol, and they didn't do that. >> they thought it was antifa, and left the weapons on the other side of the river, does that matter? >> look at all the banks we didn't rob is the argument here. the idea that they could have done worse things but they didn't, that's not a defense in most criminal trials. the fact is they are accused of invading the capitol, trying to stop the electoral votes from being counted, and engage in a seditious insurrection, that's the charge. the fact that they could have committed more acts of violence is a not a defense, and i don't think particularly helpful to them. >> jeffrey, one more question to you because i heard you say that now what the prosecutors will try to do is flip the oath keepers to see if they can turn over bigger fish. what makes you think the oath keepers aren't the ring leaders? >> that's the question, and we don't know. the way federal law enforcement works is you try to keep moving up the chain as far as you can go. it may be that the -- that this was a silo, that the oath keepers just operated themselves, but let me read you one sentence from the indictment, paragraph 70, this is a signal message, an encrypted message that rhodes sent on the morning of january 6th and he says to his colleagues, there are many many others from other groups who will be watching and waiting on the outside in case of worst case sncenarios. who are those people? who are the other groups? how did he know that? what sort of communications did he have? that's the kind of thing that federal prosecutors will want to know, and if they can persuade rhodes or others to cooperate, that's certainly a question they're going to ask. >> phil, you have heard the narrative from capitol hill that there was no pre-planning of this, of course we now have all of these messages that have been exchanged and maybe that was the case for some of the people that have been arrested that it wasn't pre-planned. in this indictment, in addition to what we have learned, the training, one of the defendants traveled to d.c. for re-con for an op, that they were there weeks ahead of time to try to figure out the best way to execute this. >> i think what you're putting your finger on, victor, is what i would be interested in if i were looking at the investigation, and that is what the attorney general evidently referred to as granularity. there's the broad term sedition, but the granularity, when were the weapons purchased in the months before and the months after. that's one time line. time line two, especially now that we're getting encrypted messages, how did the language among the participants change as they acquired this message. i want stuff like credit card data, when did people travel, when did people speak, when did they come potentially to surveil what was going on and the targets in washington. those time lines when you start to overlay them i think are going to be incredibly damming because if you try to walk in with those weapons purchases, et cetera, it's going to look like you planned it in advance. it's sedition. >> if i can adjust one point to that, where did the money come from, i mean, those are -- i mean, yes, you want to know when the weapons were purchased and where, but where did the money come from, who funded all of this. that's an incredibly important issue that goes across the whole january 6th investigation. >> okay. charlie dent, jeffrey to toobin the world's number one detention player novak djokovic is facing detention and deportation. but the fight is not over. north korea finds more missiles overnight. new reaction from the pentagon, next. 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went to public events that day. december 17th, he went maskless to an event with children, and only after that event did he say that he actually received the notification of his positive test. well, today a serbian public health official and the prime minister's office made abundantly clear there is no chance that novak djokovic did not have a notification of that positive test on the same day that it was taken, the day before he went to that event with children. that system, they say, is automated. the time stamp on djokovic's certificate shows 8:19 p.m. they say they should have had an e-mail and text message just minutes later. whether he checked those messages, well, only novak djokovic knows the answer to that. alisyn, victor. >> that is a really helpful time line. scott mcclain, thank you. >> thanks, scott. meanwhile, earlier this week, the u.s., you'll remember, sanctioned north korea for a missile launch. well, last night, north korea launched two more suspected ballistic 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party's continued embrace of trump's big lie is causing many in the party to feel alienated. that includes greg, he was a republican candidate running for alaska's sole u.s. house seat. he announced he's leaving the party and running as an independent. and greg brelsford joins us now. thank you so much for being here. we look forward to talking to you. is there something in particular that is driving you out of the republican party? >> thank you for having me, alisyn. to clarify, i didn't leave the republican party so much as the republican party left me. i was raised by deeply religious republican parents and i ran for the state -- i ran in the republican primary for the state of the state house in 1994, but the republican party of those years is gone. today's republican party -- >> i mean, tell me what it is, that's upsetting you most. >> well, today's republican party is consumed with relitigating past elections and not with resolving real problems for real people and working families, but worse it's attacking democracy itself. >> yeah, you wrote an op-ed this week in which you talked about how concerned you by how many republicans are embracing donald trump'sing ongoing lie and that they are trying to compromise election integrity and democracy. i'll read a portion of what you say. in 2021, republican legislators introduced bills in arizona, missouri and nevada that would allow the state legislatures to nullify and veto their voters voices and directly or indirectly reject presidential or other election results. as you know, president biden has been trying to fight this. he was trying to pass these, you know, voting rights legislations. it doesn't look like it's going to happen. and then minority leader mitch mcconnell basically rebutted that and said there was nothing to worry about really, so let me play that for you. >> he invoked the literal civil war and said we are on the doorstep of autocracy. this will not be repaired with more lies, more outrage, and more rule breaking. >> so what's your response to that? >> well, i think that's an example of the republican party hiding its head in the sand. the republican party has lost its -- only going from bad to worse. in my opinion, there's a serious threat to democracy by the republican party and i ran -- i switched to an independent to show alaskans and the country and our young people how to protect vigorously protect democracy from possible collapse. >> and why do you think republicans have their head in the sand? why do you think so many people have signed on to the demonstrably false lie that president trump didn't lose the 2020 election? >> well, i think public officials have a high duty to provide accurate information. that's when a failing of the majority of the republican leaders in our country, and the state, they're not providing accurate information and a number of people are hearing that information and relying on it to the detriment of the country. >> do you think you stand a chance running as a an independent. obviously you do, let me rephrase that. do you think it makes your chances harder. >> i think it makes my chances better. i think there are a ton of people in alaska and the united states, not at home and either party, but particularly conservatives are becoming less and less at home in the republican party, and i think both -- people from both backgrounds or all backgrounds are looking for an independent to bridge those differences, particularly in alaska, and that's what i intend to do. >> i mean, but then you see all of these examples of people who have tried to be rational, have tried to fight the lies, have tried to speak the truth. congressman john katko are just the latest getting out of congress. they don't feel there's any place for them. liz cheney, as you know, is under pressure from all sorts of sides, who say that, you know, she doesn't deserve to be in leadership there anymore. what do you say to that? >> i say that let's not give up. 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let's bring in meteorologist jennifer gray who is tracking the storm for us. where will it hit and when? >> it's already beginning. look at winter storm warnings, advisories watches, already in place from the upper midwest all the way down to the deep south. it's snowing in places like iowa, and they can see more than a foot of snow in some places and the storm system is going to basically just dive straight down to the south. a lot of areas will start with rain, end up with a little bit of a wintry mix, and then end up with snow. it's very tricky once we get to the deep south how much snow or freezing rain or ice we're going to get across some of these regions, especially places like atlanta. could be sort of a game time call, depending on what we're going to get and when. we also are looking at a crippling ice event setting up most likely around the carolinas, some areas could get up to an inch of ice. and we're talking about travel will be impossible. trees will be down. power lines will be down, and so we could see a nightmare scenario in some of these locations. look at this, up to a 1/2 inch, an inch of ice, the models are definitely differing still. we're going to have to wait and see these models come together. either scenario is not going to be good for the carolinas if that sets up. snow forecast, could see a foot of snow across the appalachians. >> all right. jennifer gray, thank you very much. >> brand new hour, it's good to be with you, i'm victor blackwell. >> and i'm alisyn camerota. in just a few minutes, the leader of the far right extremist group, the oath keepers is due to appear in fourth. stewart rhodes is one of eleven defendants who the justice department charged with sedition on thursday for their involvement in the january 6th insurrection. >> these are the most significant charges in the investigation so far, and prosecutors say rhodes and others were plotting for violent takeovers well beyond january 6th. these indictments detail the arsenal of weapons and equipment they brought to the capitol and purchased in the weeks following. >> cnn justice correspondent jessica schneider joins us live. before we get to rhodes, another defendant, edward viejo just appeared virtually for his federal court appearance in arizona, what did we learn from that one. >> the hearing, the initial appearance just wrapped in federal court in arizona. the way it's laid out, he'll have another hearing next thursday. that will determine if he's eligible for release. he will be held until then. it's all because he is facing this serious charge of seditious conspiracy for allegedly plotting to violently overthrow the government along with ten other dfefendants including stewart rhodes who we're expecting at 3:30 in court. they outlined his role in the indictment, he led quick reaction force teams where a few oath keepers actually stayed behind at a hotel in virginia where they stockpiled weapons and they were ready, apparently, to move into the capitol with those weapons if other oath keepers called for back up. this is from the indictment. while certain oath keeper members and affiliates bridged the capitol grounds and building, others remained stationed just outside of the city if qrf teams, they were prepared to rapidly transport firearms and other weapons into washington, d.c. in supportive operations aimed at using force to stop the lawful transfer of presidential power. the qrf teams were coordinated in part by caldwell and vallejo. vallejo was just in court, accused of working hand in hand with oath keeper founder stewart rhodes and others. what prosecutors are outlining as this month's long plan. they all messaged starting in november, over these encrypted apps like signal. they formulated their plan, and then as they moved toward d.c. at the beginning of january, stewart rhodes is accused of spending thousands of dollars buying firearms equipment along the way. then we get to january 6th, and after several members allegedly breached the capitol, they apparently celebrated that night at a virginia restaurant and discussed some next steps. rhodes was the one leading this call, and prosecutors say after january 6th, he spent more than $17,000 in weapons. they say he was ready for more violence, and he called for his members to organize local militias to oppose the biden administration. so you know, victor and alisyn, all of these allegations for these eleven defendants, they are carefully laid out in what is a lengthy and jam packed 48 page indictment, and what's clear here is that the justice department, and we have seen it in court filings preceding this, they have been working methodically getting some of these oath keeper members to cooperate, and they have shared encrypted messages to illuminate and spell out this plot. the question is moving forward, you know, will stewart rhodes possibly provide any helpful information to prosecutors to indicate maybe others were involved. that's the big question as we move forward into the coming months here, guys. >> jessica schneider thank you for all of that. the january 6th house committee continues to expand its investigation into the insurrection. sources tell cnn former acting defense secretary christopher miller is meeting virtually with the panel today. he was the top pentagon official on the day of the capitol riot. so on thursday, the panel met with former new york police commissioner bernard carrick who worked with rudy giuliani in a search for election fraud. >> the committee has issued subpoenas to giant social media companies, cnn's ryan nobles joins us now. let's talk about minority leader kevin mccarthy, and cnn's k file has uncovered a radio interview shortly after the riot where he says that the former president, donald trump, admitted personally to bearing some responsibility for the attack. tell us more. >> yeah, victor. this is more evidence that there's a lot about what kevin mccarthy knows leading up to on january 6th and after january 6th that hasn't really been publicly revealed. we knew that at one point mccarthy told some of his republican colleagues in a closed door meeting that the president had expressed some responsibility for what had happened on january 6th but he quickly walked that back and had really come to defend the former president in the days after ji january 6th. this is the first time we're actually hearing him say those words. take a listen to what he told this radio host in bakersfield shortly after the january 6th insurrection. >> i say he has responsibility, he told me personally that he does have some responsibility. i think a lot of people do. what i proposed which i think history will say i'm right, this is the right thing to do, i believe, have a bipartisan commission and get all of your facts. actually work through the grand jury to find out at the end instead of pre-determining whether someone's guilty or not. >> so there's quite a few remarkable things about that interview. first, of course, him saying that donald trump told him that he bore some responsibility because the president has never said that publicly and he's actually said the exact opposite. also what mccarthy had to say about his desire for a bipartisan commission, victor and alisyn, you'll remember he pushed hard against that, and there was actually legislation on the table, and it was ultimately senate republicans that prevented it from happening. >> ryan nobles for us on capitol hill, thank you so much. charlie dent is a former republican congressman from pennsylvania, jeffrey toobin is cnn chief legal analyst, and phil mudd is a cnn counter terrorism analyst. welcome to you all. congressman, let me start with you and what we just heard from ryan nobles, this new sound from minority leader mccarthy. is it time, first, to put aside this, i guess it's a courtesy of not subpoenaing or issuing subpoenas for other members to try to get him to testify, even if it's not successful to take the next step? >> well, i do think kevin mccarthy and other members should voluntarily come in and tell the committee what they know. i think it's rather insulting to congress that members are saying, hey, i have nothing to adhere, the information is not relevant. well, that's not really up to the member to determine. it's up to the committee to determine. and so, you know, taking that step to subpoena is a rather large one, and i don't say that lightly because it does set precedent. i can't think of times when we have subpoenaed members, maybe there were ethics cases years ago where that happened. it just doesn't happen. there are all kinds of political and legal reasons why the committee may not want to do that. but it's sad to me because you just played that audio where kevin has changed his position on the commission, he changed his position on trump's culpability, and by the way, on the commission, i'm very saddened that my friend john katko just snoannounced he's no running again. he's the one who negotiated an independent commission with bennie thompson and got what leader mccarthy wanted and they took john katko's legs out from under him. he's had enough, he announced he's retiring. >> we have seen it time and again, there's a pattern, charlie, as we've talked about here. so phil, when you hear about how much worse it could be, i mean, in these encrypted communications, the oath keepers, allegedly, according to the indictment, were bragging to each other about the cache of weapons they were bringing. i'll read a portion of it. while traveling rhodes spent approximately $6,000 on an ar platform rifle and firearms equipment including sights, mounts, triggers, slings and additional firearms attachments, rhodes then spent approximately $4,500 in mississippi on firearms equipment, including sights, mounts, an optic plate, a magazine and various firearms. that's just a portion. i mean, that's just a bit of it. what does that tell you, phil? >> it tells me more about the future than the past. if i was an analyst still investigating this kind of stuff, once you turn it over to the prosecutors and the department of justice as an analyst watching cases develop, you go and say, what's next. so let me give you a couple of clues that you just talked about. number one, not only the willingness of people like this, and remember polling shows there are millions of people, millions who sympathize with potentially with the use of violence to protect what they think is democracy. millions of people who sympathize with violence. there's a spike in gun purchases in the united states. there's information clearly on the political side that shows if politicians are going to return to this theme of stolen elections in 2022 and 2024, and meanwhile, as you look at these court documents come out, you can anticipate that sympathizers are going to say, how did these guys get caught, how did they get flipped, and how do we avid that happening in the future. i look at the magnitude, a bunch of peek synthetic and learning, how are they going to learn more in the next two, three years. >> the attorney for stewart rhodes was on with brianna keilar this morning in this exchange on "new day" answering the basic question of defense, if they weren't come to go attack, to try to change the outcome through force, why were they here, and why did they have so many weapons? here's how he explained the defense. >> they did believe that they were going to have to respond to antifa or be called up by the president, but what's interesting is they didn't bring any of that into the district of columbia. they left it in virginia. if they were going to do any of those things, they would have brought weapons with them into the capitol, and they didn't do that. >> they thought it was antifa, and left the weapons on the other side of the river, does that matter? >> look at all the banks we didn't rob is the argument here. the idea that they could have done worse things but they didn't, that's not a defense in most criminal trials. the fact is they are accused of invading the capitol, trying to stop the electoral votes from being counted, and engage in a seditious insurrection, that's the charge. the fact that they could have committed more acts of violence is a not a defense, and i don't think particularly helpful to them. >> jeffrey, one more question to you because i heard you say that now what the prosecutors will try to do is flip the oath keepers to see if they can turn over bigger fish. what makes you think the oath keepers aren't the ring leaders? >> that's the question, and we don't know. the way federal law enforcement works is you try to keep moving up the chain as far as you can go. it may be that the -- that this was a silo, that the oath keepers just operated themselves, but let me read you one sentence from the indictment, paragraph 70, this is a signal message, an encrypted message that rhodes sent on the morning of january 6th and he says to his colleagues, there are many many others from other groups who will be watching and waiting on the outside in case of worst case sncenarios. who are those people? who are the other groups? how did he know that? what sort of communications did he have? that's the kind of thing that federal prosecutors will want to know, and if they can persuade rhodes or others to cooperate, that's certainly a question they're going to ask. >> phil, you have heard the narrative from capitol hill that there was no pre-planning of this, of course we now have all of these messages that have been exchanged and maybe that was the case for some of the people that have been arrested that it wasn't pre-planned. in this indictment, in addition to what we have learned, the training, one of the defendants traveled to d.c. for re-con for an op, that they were there weeks ahead of time to try to figure out the best way to execute this. >> i think what you're putting your finger on, victor, is what i would be interested in if i were looking at the investigation, and that is what the attorney general evidently referred to as granularity. there's the broad term sedition, but the granularity, when were the weapons purchased in the months before and the months after. that's one time line. time line two, especially now that we're getting encrypted messages, how did the language among the participants change as they acquired this message. i want stuff like credit card data, when did people travel, when did people speak, when did they come potentially to surveil what was going on and the targets in washington. those time lines when you start to overlay them i think are going to be incredibly damming because if you try to walk in with those weapons purchases, et cetera, it's going to look like you planned it in advance. it's sedition. >> if i can adjust one point to that, where did the money come from, i mean, those are -- i mean, yes, you want to know when the weapons 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