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>> now new evidence rewrites the story of jesus and judas: a lost book of secret knowledge condemned as heresy 1,800 years ago. >> it's just horrific, a terrifying scene. >> can fresh clues help reveal the true meaning of the gospel of judas? ♪ >> judas has been one of the greatest villains in human history. >> judas has become the symbol of the ultimate traitor. >> the man who sells out jesus for 30 pieces of silver. >> judas' crime is so easy to understand and at the same time so terrible. he betrayed his friend. >> along comes a bombshell, a newly translated ancient manu manuscript. >> just 25 tattered sheets of papyrus written in the ancient coptic language. the lost gospel of judas: it challenges our contempt for judas' character. but now will missing fragments of text complete the gospel and force us to reconsider judas' role in the story of jesus? >> the story of jesus, the story of the crucifixion, is not so much a who-done-it. it's a why-done-it. why did judas betray jesus? that's really the biggest question in the entire gospel. >> in the new testament gospels, jesus starts his mission traveling through galilee and judea, gathering followers. from them, he chooses 12 to be his closest disciples. >> the term "disciple" simply means learner or student. so when jesus is calling disciples, he's simply gathering a group of students around to learn from him. >> the disciples come from a wide range of backgrounds from fishermen to tax collectors. >> there was recruitment by jesus, deliberate recruitment, and he wanted a diverse group. judas may well have been one of the very first he recruited. >> jesus was a pretty good judge of character. anyone who jesus had chosen as a disciple must have had something going for him. >> judas was the treasurer of jesus' 12 disciples. he was the one jesus trusted with the money. >> jesus saw in judas the kind of man that he wanted to be his follower. we have to assume that they're friends and that they have this close relationship. >> he's special. he has a key place, and yet something's going to happen in judas that's going to lead him to fall away from jesus and to lose faith in jesus and ultimately to betray jesus. >> the new testament gospels tell of a critical moment here, two miles outside jerusalem. >> the village of bethany is named in the gospels as the place where jesus stayed during the last week of his life. >> the gospel of john places the scene in the house of lazarus, the man jesus raised from the dead. >> just a few days before his crucifixion, a woman came to jesus and anointed his feet with expensive ointments and perfumes. >> mary anoints jesus with pistic nardis, the chanel no. 5 of antiquity, and she uses a whole pot of it, a whole year's worth of a day laborer's wages. >> people who saw it were scandalized. they were shocked. >> none more so than the group's treasurer, judas. >> why was the ointment wasted in this way? >> leave her alone! >> jesus has been preaching this message about the poor and ministering to them and giving away your coat, and now all of a sudden, he's going to let this woman pour a huge amount of money's worth of perfume on him. >> this ointment could have been sold for more than 300 denarii and given to the poor. >> it's sort of one set of rules for the disciples and a different set of rules for jesus. we can see why this event would upset judas. >> this was a big turning point for judas because immediately after he sees this anointing, he goes to the authorities and says, "i will betray jesus to you." >> but the following day, judas is back at jesus' side as they make a momentous entry into jerusalem for the passover. >> the passover festival is a week-long festival in which jews recall their exodus from egypt. >> the arrival of jesus swells the excited crowds and spells trouble for the authorities. >> this is a risky time for romans because there are all of these pilgrims in the city. passover is about liberation from enslavement, and it's a small step from liberation, from slavery in egypt to liberation from tyranny from the romans. >> jerusalem in the time of jesus is a tinderbox. we have jesus, this charismatic, messianic figure in town. we have a major jewish festival, and the romans on top of it are watching. the romans are worried that it is going to explode any moment. >> fearing the romans would punish them for any unrest, the jewish high priests decide to take action against jesus. the scene is set for the greatest betrayal in history. with mucinex all-in-one you've got powerful relief from your worst cold and flu symptoms. so when you need to show your cold who's boss, grab mucinex all-in-one... and get back to your rhythm. ♪ the relief you need. the cash you want. healthy habits come in all sizes. like little walks. and, getting screened for colon cancer. that's big because when caught in early stages, it's more treatable. hey, cologuard! hi. i'm noninvasive and i detect altered dna in your stool to find 92% of colon cancers, even in early stages. early stages! yep, it's for people 45 plus at average risk for colon cancer, not high risk. false positive and negative results may occur. ask your provider if cologuard is right for you. count me in! me too! age before beauty? 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you have the last supper. you have the garden of gethsemane. and it's like an endless night. >> while the disciples sleep, jesus spends the night in prayer. he's so anguished, so full of agony that he's sweating blood. >> the one i kiss will be the man. arrest him and lead him away. rabbi. >> judas walks up to jesus and does the most loving thing on the outside, and it was the most hateful thing on the inside. he kisses him. >> jesus of nazareth. >> no! >> judas is responsible for the ultimate act of wickedness, betraying an innocent jesus. >> from that moment, the name judas is synonymous with traitor. but nearly two millenia later, a new version of this shameful story emerges, the lost gospel of judas. it casts a different light on this despicable act. oh my goodness... wow, look at all those! you get hungry for more and then you're just like, “wow, i'm learning about my family.” yeah, yep. which one, what'd you find? lorraine banks, look, county of macomb, michigan? look at grandma... hey grandma! unbelievable. everybody deserves to know who they are and where they came from. ohhh...cool. this whole journey has been such a huge gift for our family. ♪ feeling sluggish or weighed down? 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and then came a bombshell. the man wanted $3 million. >> this is far more than they can afford. >> the egyptian man signaled to his associate to close up the boxes, and that was the end of the meeting. a year after i saw the coptic codex in geneva, the egyptian owner took it to new york city and tried to sell it there without any success. >> the owner then deposits the codex in a bank vault. it stays there for nearly two decades until another buyer finally persuades him to sell. >> here i am opening again that safe. all the pages were glued together, and fragments of the pages were floating around. >> still uncertain what the manuscript is, tchacos takes it to yale. >> they say, "do you know what you have here? this is something that's only been hinted at in antiquity. for the first time ever, we're laying eyes on the actual gospel of judas." >> but there's bad news. restoration will cost a fortune. tchacos needs someone with very wealthy contacts. enter manuscript dealer bruce ferrini. >> i was told that bruce ferrini was a very reputable manuscript dealer and that he had bill gates as a client. that sounded good. >> seeing the chance to make a quick profit, ferrini decides to buy the manuscript himself and sell it on. >> ferrini writes two checks, a total of $2.5 million for the gospel of judas, and they bounce. >> tchacos needs to reclaim her property. >> ferrini has the documents. he's got the papyrus, and what does he do with it? he puts it in a bag in the freezer. >> this is, in fact, recommended treatment sometimes for books, manuscripts made out of paper, but it's not conservation treatment for papyrus. >> but he did even something worse. he took pages from under the book, put them on top of it to make it look presentable to a potential client. by shuffling these pages, it made a huge headache. >> to save the gospel of judas, tchacos enlists the help of an expert conservator in switzerland, who begins a painstaking reconstruction. >> they've got to restore it, but then they've also got to authenticate it. does anybody know this is real? does anybody know if this was a fraud or a fake? >> the gospel needs to be dated to the early christian era to prove it is not a modern forgery. >> they do carbon-14 testing on the papyrus. it comes back as ancient. they do the testing on the ink. that comes back as ancient, as well. the gospel of judas is real. >> along comes a bombshell, a newly translated ancient manuscript. >> it's a major question of biblical proportion. >> the gospel of judas is the subject of intense debate and interest. >> in 2006, nearly 30 years after its discovery, the gospel of judas is finally revealed to the world. >> this is a new gospel. it tells a new story of the last days of jesus christ. it's a dialogue between jesus and judas. >> it is the only known copy of a text originally written in the second century a.d. the actual author of the gospel of judas remains unknown. >> it's not the gospel according to judas. so all the other gospels that we have are always according to one disciple or the other, but this is not necessarily judas' view. this is a text that's about judas. >> the gospel uses the familiar scene of the last supper to paint a very different picture of judas and jesus from that in the bible. >> in the gospels of the new testament, jesus is a mentor. he's gentle to his disciples, shall we say. >> the jesus that we meet in the gospel of judas is a little different from the jesus that we know from the pages of the new testament. he's a much more mysterious character who speaks in riddles that are so difficult to understand that a lot of the time, we're left scratching our heads when we read it. >> let the strong one among you bring forth the perfect human. >> but the character of judas is also completely different. >> the other disciples fail to understand jesus and -- and only judas has the courage to stand up and speak to him. >> i know who you are and whence you have come, and i am not worthy to utter the name of the one who has sent you. >> judas is singled out as the one disciple with whom jesus feels he can speak openly. judas understands. >> he'll take judas aside and explain to him cosmology, his own fate and the role that judas is going to play in human history. >> this lost gospel appears to give a new explanation of the betrayal of jesus and exonerate the man reviled throughout history, judas iscariot. a must in your medicine cabinet! less sick days! cold coming on? 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>> april deconick has come to geneva to the bodmer foundation, now keepers of the gospel of judas, to see the actual papyrus for the very first time. >> oh, my gosh. look at that. >> just as judas is finally being rehabilitated, april deconick takes a look at this papyrus and finds, "wait a minute. it's not saying what we think it is saying." >> so there are mistakes in the translation from the very first page, in fact the very first line. there were certain word choices that were being made, and there were certain reconstructions of holes in the manuscript that were being made that didn't reflect what i saw there. >> deconick reexamines a key moment in the lost gospel when judas receives his vision. >> master! >> the biggest problem, i think, in the original translation was this line here. so in the coptic here, jesus calls judas the 13th demond. and demond was translated in the original translation with the word "spirit." >> you 13th spirit, why do you try so hard? >> but, in fact, this word means demon. >> this single word changes the whole interpretation. >> i have seen a great vision. >> you 13th demon! >> so the judas that i saw when i did my own reconstructive work, he's not a hero. judas is a fallen angel. he's a demon. >> and behold, from out of the cloud appeared an angel. fire spews forth from his face, and his likeness is defiled with blood. >> in april deconick's translation, he's not only evil. he's the most evil. >> but in 2008, previously unseen pieces of the gospel of judas begin to emerge. >> there's always one last twist with the story of judas, and here we have another one. bruce ferrini, that dealer in ohio, kept back a few of the papyrus fragments of the gospel of judas. >> these pieces are seized along with ferrini's other assets when he goes bankrupt. >> for the first time the gospel of judas is complete, and its real message is far more shocking than anyone could have imagined. instantly clear everyday congestion with vicks sinex saline. for fast drug free relief vicks sinex. instantly clear everyday congestion. and try vicks sinex children's saline. safe and gentle relief for children's noses. nurse mariyam sabo knows a moment this pure... ...demands a lotion this pure. new gold bond pure moisture lotion. 24-hour hydration. no parabens, dyes, or fragrances. gold bond. champion your skin. facing expensive vitamin c creams with dull results? 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>> and they seem to be leading people astray. >> it is what is right. >> i am not laughing at you! >> nor are you doing this by your will, but rather it is by this that your god will be praised. >> the gospel of judas pictures the disciples as clueless. >> this image of the disciples and of judas is the key to unlocking the true meaning of the gospel of judas. >> the disciples, they're accused of despicable acts. they are clearly the villains of this text. >> and the author drives the point home in a lurid dream sequence. >> the disciple's nightmare is absolutely horrific. it's just a terrifying scene. >> they are sacrificing their wives and children. there are men engaged in sexual relations with men. >> we saw a great house with a great altar in it. >> it's sort of panoply of sin, and they're very frightened by this vision that they have, and they're not really sure what it means. >> and 12 people whom we say are priests. >> jesus responds by saying, "terrible things are going to be done in my name, and in fact, you're going to be the ones who are doing it." >> you who receive the offering for the altar that you have saw. >> they think that they're following god. they think that they're serving jesus. they have been misled all this time. >> the message of the gospel of judas is not simply that jesus is betrayed by judas in his lifetime, but that his teachings are being betrayed after his death. >> the author of the gospel of judas is angry, but he's not angry at the events that transpired in the 1st century between jesus and judas. he's angry at church leaders in the 2nd century. >> the gospel of judas is critical of all the disciples of jesus, frankly, and these disciples are standing as kind of ciphers. they're symbols of the orthodox church of the 2nd century. >> it seems that it's written as a criticism of mainstream christians who are engaged in worships that are led by bishops or clerics of one kind or another, and the authors of this text, they don't like that kind of clericalism. they don't like that kind of religious service, and they are strongly discouraging people from participating in it. >> the gospel of judas is a polemic. it's a political smear against the people running the early church. >> the apostolic church was emerging. the institutional church was emerging. what we know as christianity was emerging. the gospel of judas was kind of a narrative against this institutional christianity. >> written decades after the new testament gospels, the gospel of judas is less a story about jesus than a condemnation of the leadership of the early church. >> it gives us an alternate picture of the formation of christianity. it doesn't show christianity as developing necessarily all harmoniously. there are dissenters. there were people who felt that things had gotten off on the wrong track. >> the gospel of judas suggests that church leadership is -- is mistaken, is more diabolic than divine. >> so controversial is the gospel of judas that in 1890 a.d., the bishop of leone declares it heresy. >> i can easily imagine the people throwing this text out as being heretical. if you were a member of the orthodoxy in the 2nd century, and you read this text, i can imagine you would be pretty upset. it's a pretty scathing indictment of your beliefs and what you're all about. >> suppressed by the church, the gospel of judas lies buried for nearly 2 millennia, but history does not forgive judas or forget his fate. what about rob's dry cough? 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does he see pilate condemn him to die? does he perhaps watch the flogging and have to feel the reality of what he's done? >> when it becomes clear that they're not just going to do away with jesus, but they're going to publicly shame him on a cross, judas apparently had second thoughts. >> after jesus was condemned, there had to have been a part of him that did feel remorse. >> judas clearly feels guilty after he's done this thing. we see a lot of his conscience. >> i have sinned by betraying innocent blood. >> he takes the money, and he throws it back. it's just blood money, and he doesn't want to get his hands dirty with it. >> there's something terrifying about judas that you could be doing so well and then make a mistake from which you can never come back. >> while all four gospels of the new testament name judas as the betrayer of jesus, only one of them, the gospel of matthew, tells how judas' own story ends. for me, the story of judas is a tragic story. it's not the story of god giving up on judas, but judas giving up on himself. >> he regrets, but he doesn't repent, and he doesn't trust that he can be forgiven, and so he despairs and hangs himself. >> if you're a jew, and life is the greatest gift of god, you don't go out and kill yourself unless you have been absolutely -- you've shamed yourself. you've shamed your family. >> judas is probably history's most tragic figure, the person who betrays the sinless son of god and then commits suicide. i can't think of any more tragic story than that of judas. >> judas is compelling to people because this is someone who knew jesus and somehow didn't make the right choices. >> i do feel sorry for judas because in many ways he's become such a villain, and yet he was a human. if we're humble, if we're honest, we can say, "you know, i'm like judas sometimes, as well." >> whenever we try to paint someone with a singular stroke, we really do an injustice. when we try to paint judas as if he's only evil, we don't see in him what jesus saw in him. >> and if we see him as a monster, i think we lose the sense of humanity. >> maybe we can't rehabilitate judas, but at least we can have some empathy for him. mary magdalene. the woman tradition calls a sinner but who becomes the most devoted follower of jesus. >> i see mary magdalene as one of the most compelling figures in the entire gospel. >> a witness to the crucifixion and the resurrection, she is one of the most misunderstood women in the bible. >> she was the first christian. >> known as a penitent prostitute, was she, in fact, the wife of jesus? >> there's an air of scandal about this. >> the bible tells us little about mary

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