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>> the palestinian-israeli conflict that we are experiencing today. you ever seen it experienced in jerusalem for thousands of years. >> for the jews, jerusalem is where solomon built the holy temple. for christians, this is a place where jesus was crucified. >> for muslims, jerusalem is where the prophet muhammad made the night journey. >> people are said to have conquered the world that have swept through this city. >> no other individual changed the landscape in the way that herod the great did. >> solomon was determined to take on the christians. >> at a time of ottoman islam rule, the british badly wanted to control the holy land. >> against british government policy in palestine. >> we are the only people in the world -- >> for israelis, the creation of the state of israel is seen as a miracle. and of course, for the palestinians, it is a great disaster. >> the history of jerusalem. very complicated story, and if you don't know it in its complexity, it's very hard to understand what's going on there today. >> the past is never dead and if there is a city in the world to which that applies, it's jerusalem. it's been 900 years since solomon's death. and the world has undergone a dramatic transformation. >> previous centuries have seen the growth of these empires that just try to swallow as much land around them as possible. >> there are two great powers in the world. there is the roman republic, which is now controlling much of the mediterranean. and there is the partheon empire. a huge empire that controls everything from the borders of syria and iraq all the way to the borders of india. >> they were the descendants of the ancient persians to the east of the area of syria-palestine and when you look at a map, what you can see is that the sort of natural meeting place of conflict between these two powers is the land where jerusalem sits. >> jerusalem is now ruled by the hazmanians, a revered jewish dynasty. >> the dynasty was the jewish dynasty that was established by a group of jewish conservative rebels that overthrew greek rule in jerusalem and in israel. >> that revolt, in 167 b.c., is commemorated by the modern jewish holiday of hanukkah. over the course of time, they expanded the size of their kingdom. by conquering other peoples around them who were not jewish. >> they ruled a big kingdom for about 150 years. >> but now, the hasmoneans are faced with a new enemy. one backed by the full might of the roman empire. a native of palestine who longs to claim the holy city for himself, herod. >> i think herod would have been one of those people that would have been terrifying to be, both, friends or enemies with. if you were his enemy, he was ruthless, implacable, he held a grudge, he was scheming. and even if you were his friend, you never knew where ya stood. >> he is part monster, part hero. his name means hero in greek, so he was always going for that role. >> he deserves the reputation for cruelty that he gets because he wants what he wants, and he is willing to do and kill whomever he needs to to get what he wants. >> herod the great's grandfather, on his father's side, was forcibly converted to judaism. and herod's mother was an arab woman. she was not jewish. >> because he is this fascinating hybrid, herod isn't regarded as the full jew by all the jews. and for the hasmonean royal dynasty, of course, he is an upstart. >> they call him a half breed and i think this eats at him. i think herod the great realizes that the only way he's ever going to be able to be accepted as really jewish is if he takes jerusalem. and sets himself up on the throne of david. >> he understands that -- that the key to the crown of judaea, to the throne of jerusalem, is rome. >> the romans want to control the entire mediterranean. >> and they need an ally. they need a client king in jerusalem. >> herod. his classmates were the students who later on grew to be the caesars. so, he really was very well aversed in political intrigue and his alliances helped advance his position and his career. >> and the romans are extremely arrogant and they think they can appoint anyone they like king of anywhere. um, not unlike certain other great powers today. so, they decide that herod is going to be their person. and they say to him, we'll provide an army. you take jerusalem, and you will be king of judaea. and off he goes. >> but because herod is aware that he has what many jews would call a mixed-blood ancestry, proving his jewishness is a motivation for many of the actions that he takes. >> and one of those things is he could marry into the hasmonean family. he could make a claim to the throne by marrying, let's say, a jewish princess. >> herod uses the threat of his army to force a hasmonean princess into a jewish marriage contract. >> and he chooses marian who is young, beautiful, cultured, generally loved by everybody. >> herod's relationship with marian, they would have made really good reality television. on the one hand, herod deeply loved her, and expressed his love in grandiose gestures. on the other hand, she constantly berated him about his status and he always felt a sense of inferiority around her. >> the very jerusalem story because it contains both love and hate, as jerusalem as auls always does. you have this young, ruthless, self-made king. you have this princess of the grandest, royalest family. it's like a kardashian marrying a windsor. >> so, he marries in to the hasmonean dynasty and she knows that herod is only marrying her for political purposes but she also fears that he is going to begin getting rid of her relatives. killing all hasmonean heirs to the jewish throne. and he's got so many roman troops with him that this shouldn't be that difficult. >> with 40,000 roman soldiers under his command, herod sets his sights on jerusalem. intent on forcing the jewish people to accept him as their king. ray loves vacations. but his diabetes never seemed to take one. everything felt like a 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well, mark antony was a man and he was a roman. cleopatra was an eastern queen and a woman. so she becomes the focal point of the negative propaganda that octavian starts to put out. >> he says things like cleopatra's a foreigner. she's polluted the mind of mark antony. and he does this so effectively, that the people start turning against mark antony and cleopatra. so, what was once a power-sharing agreement becomes a battle between the two. they are going to vie for the sole rule of rome. mark antony basically calls up all of his supporters and he says come fight with me against octavian. and herod the great says, yeah, no, sorry, i'm busy. and that's because he hates cleopatra and he sees that octavian is the one who is going to win. >> mark antony and cleopatra are routed at the battle of acteum. they manage to flee back to egypt but octavian is right behind them. >> it becomes clear that cleopatra's going to end up being paraded around in a roman triumph, which was the last thing that she wanted. >> she says over and over again, i will not be triumphed over. and it means that she just can't envisage herself as a prisoner, as anything other than a queen. >> hoping to trick octavian, cleopatra hides in her mausoleum. and has her maid servant spread the rumor that she has killed herself. >> so the problem with cleopatra locking herself up in the tomb is that she didn't tell marc anthony and part of what you need to do is tell your lover where you are gaeoing to be because he, of course, is defeated. and thinking that he's lost everything. >> so, mark antony ends up committing suicide by stabbing himself in the stomach. >> when cleopatra finds out that mark antony kills himself, she ends up dying by her own hand, as well. and it's really a very sad story, which sort of mirrors the romeo and juliet story. but maybe, in a sense, it's the way in which the tale was always going to end for them because they had tried valiantly but failed to gain this power that really wasn't theirs to gain, in the first place. >> soon after the death of his rival, herod travels to meet octavian in person and beg for his life. >> remember, herod was a friend of mark antony so when octavian defeats mark antony, herod the great has got to go face octavian and deal with him. and octavian says i understand you backed the wrong horse. and herod the great, ever the s shrewd politician, says something quite profound. >> he doesn't pretend he was anything other than a supporter of mark antony. he says as good of a friend as i was to antony, i will be an even better friend to you, octavian. >> and herod is so convincing, that not only does octavian reconfirm herod as king of judaea but he actually increases the size of his kingdom. >> when herod the great gets back to jerusalem, one would think that, wow, he's avoided this major disaster with octavian. maybe everything would be better when he gets home. but that's certainly not the case. because when he gets back to jerusalem, everything is all the worse. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ experience the power of sanctuary at the lincoln wish list event. this holiday season, give your family the gift that keeps on... going? 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