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prices, high consumer spending and markets fighting off fears of the omicron variant. those are all positive signs pointing to a strong economy, wages, also expected to increase for employees next year. the white house working to temper expectations ahead of this report. janet yellen reportedly urging lawmakers not to be spooked by new inflation numbers as they continue to consider the price tag of president biden's social spending bill. what does all this really mean? let's bring in christine romans. when it comes to higher prices, look, we can all attest to that. we have seen it in different areas. what does this report tell us? >> these are the numbers that really quantify the gut punch for american consumers. that gut punch that feels like it really peaked in november. 6.8% is a big number. back to the '80s when stevie wonder and ebony and ivory was at the top of the charts, we were wearing clogs. this is not something we have seen in modern times, numbers like this. you look at the line chart of inflation, this is the worst in years and certainly the most meaningful price inflation we have seen in our recent memory. strip out food and energy, and this growth rate is 4.9% year over year and half a percentage point, half a percent for the month from october to november. and it has been energy driving much of this. you've seen that, we have talked about gas prices and those prices have been moderating in the past few weeks, which is why some economists are saying they think this might be the worst. you can see that you had some really sharp core rates earlier in the year and that appears like it might be moderating a little bit here. we also know that the shortages because of supply concerns, we're hearing from ceos and we're hearing from the white house, we're hearing from supply chain managers, demand is strong. this is a sign of a strong economy, guys. people are rushing out at the same time to buy the stuff they want after we have been in a huge pandemic. >> that portion of this, christine, are energy prices. gas, home heating oil, natural gas for home heating because we know that that is trending downward at least based on where the markets stand today. >> and that's rear view mirror. it is a good point you're making there, jim. because we know that this was -- you had 30, 40, 50% increases in your energy costs year over year the last few months and we any that that is now moderating. so hopefully that energy part of inflation, consumer inflation, is not going to be as big of a deal heading into the end of the year. look, the fed is inflation fighting mode. they dropped that word transitory or temporary, the fed, not the white house, not business, it is the fed. the fed is in an inflation fighting mode and will be ending early probably a lot of the stimulus and start raising interest rates because it is a strong economy, they have to tap on the brakes. >> christine romans, appreciate you putting it in plain english. >> for sure. transitory one of the worst reads on this -- of the year. for more on this report, we are joined by political commentator catherine rampel. big picture here, i wonder. some of this is policy. you'll hear from republicans, or even joe manchin, they'll talk about the big inject of money from the covid relief plan. but some of it is structural. this is a global supply chain crisis. this is a global reaction to the slowdown during the pandemic. and things are heating up again. in your view, how much of this is on the president, how much of this is on the markets? >> i will state the same line i always give when i am asked about how much the president controls the economy, he gets too much credit when the economy is good, too much blame when the economy is bad. that's the case for inflation here as well. look, it is not that policymak makes no difference here. they have been expansionary, pushing up demand, pushing up prices as a result, but as you point out, we are coming out of, i hope, a global pandemic. and that has created a lot of growing pains for the economy right now because you have the supply chain problems around the world, not just in the united states, but in china, and elsewhere. we don't know how all of those will respond, of course, to omicron in the months ahead. you have demand way up. you have consumers shifting more of their basket of purchases away from services and towards goods, which is also driving up the cost of goods, of course. so bottom line, of course, the pandemic is still very much in control of the global economy and you're seeing that in these inflation numbers. >> so if the pandemic is still in control, catherine, i think the question for a lot of people is what do i look at? you wrote about it this week, when it comes to inflation, everybody is going to take -- they're going to take what they like, what works best for their narrative, whatever that may be, certainly politically, and spin it that way. so as the average american watching, what should i look for? what should i be pointing to this morning? >> well, what you want to be looking for is what elements of this report are a little bit more forward looking, so as you already have discussed, some of the numbers on energy prices were really eye popping, but those have come down since these data were collected because of a combination of reaction to omicron, supply chains hopefully normalizing, warmer weather in the case of natural gas, for example. so that, you know, the numbers in this report may not be as telling. but there is some other causes for concern in this report that might worry people including the rent numbers, for example. or the food numbers. the prices of both of those items have been going upward, food may be easing in the months ahead, we don't know. the rent and owner equivalent rent are concerning and suggest that we may have sustained price pressures for a little while longer. >> rent, stucicky numbers, you sign on for a 12-month lease. i want to ask about a general di disconnect here. people feel inflation every time they go to the grocery store. that said, wages are up. you have historically low unemployment rate but also new jobless claims. talk about going to 1969 for a weekly jobless claim like we saw yesterday here. how do you explain that disconnect? is it perception or is it just that the income et cetera is not matched up with what people are paying for stuff. >> it is a little bit of both to be fair. there are a lot of good things happening in this economy. demand is way up. unemployment is actually quite low in historical terms and much lower than many people had forecast it would be right now. the job market looks very strong. the size of the economy, you know, gdp is higher than it was prepandemic. there is a lot of good stuff happening here. but those prices really affect people day to day. and it weighs on consumer psychology, even though their incomes are up, overall, when -- especially when you account for things like the government transfers they have gotten over the past year and a half, you know, the stimulus checks and child tax credits and things like that. their incomes are up, even accounting for inflation, but they're worried about whether that inflation will persist and living standards will decline in the months ahead. >> catherine, good to have you on. thank you. we're going to continue to follow this obviously and the reaction next hour. reaction from the white house counsel of economic advisers. stay with us for that. the house select committee investigating the january 6th attack is now one step closer to receiving former president trump's white house records. yesterday, a formerjecting trumf executive privilege. >> whitney wild has been following this. how likely now and how quickly i suppose is the key question here given the timeline that the supreme court takes this up and gives final word? >> well, i think that's going to depend on the argument that the trump team can make, and it is an uphill battle because the appeals court decision makes very clear that these judges just don't think that the trump team made any legitimate arguments and what you have to do it try to get the supreme court to even look at your case is prove that there is a very good chance you'll actually succeed. what this decision does is eviscerate the trump team argument that that's possible. one key argument here that the appeals court made in ruling against the trump team is that they say frankly trump has not articulated an actual harm. he can't even say why it would be problematic to release these records. that was just a list of arguments that they made in their decision, the 68-page decision coming out last night. the timeline here is critical as you point out. this is 14 days, like, 14-day pause on the appeals court decision. so that means the trump team has 14 days to try to get the supreme court to see it their way and possibly take this case up. if the supreme court does that, it will be because four people on the supreme court said that they think this is at least worth hearing. we need four votes to hear this case. a very short timeline. but certainly an uphill battle because the appeals court was definitive in their explanation that this has no merit. the trump team, however, saying this morning and last night that this was always destined for the supreme court. so i guess we'll see. >> indeed we will. we will be watching, whitney wild, thank you. to dig deeper, kim waily, law professor at the university of baltimore. i was struck by something i heard last night. kim is also the author of "how to read the constitution and why," a book i need because i'm not a law professor. you a harvard law professor said to cnn last night that in addition to this decision pointing out that trump's legal team had not ex- explained the why there, that it also went on to say this was a clear effort to delay the efforts of the committee. trying to mess with congress. and he said that was code that was a sign to the supreme court not to take up this case. would you agree? >> i think the full 68-page opinion was assigned to the united states supreme court to not take up the case because they also signalled in there that this was their -- the president, the former president's claims that this was a political maneuver, that it was somehow improper were just flat out wrong in that they couldn't even dispute that this information is, of course, relevant. i unfortunately, you know, these are three more progressive, i would say, leaning and i say that just because all three of them have a history dealing with either inside government or dealing with government, i'm not -- i just don't know especially after what happened with abortion where the court took up -- didn't instill injunction in texas, even though that law is clearly unconstitutional, and is taking up abortion when there was no reason to take it up. i just don't think we can anticipate what it is going to do in this moment with this particular case. even though i agree 100% with the court of appeals. there is one president at a time. that's joe biden. there is not two presidents. and so the idea that somehow donald trump in his sort of civil, you know, private citizen capacity can override both congress and the executive branch that are the sitting government right now just doesn't even make logical sense let alone legal sense. >> i was going to ask you to read this, right, because it has been fairly activist on issues that it wants to pipe in on, right. and particularly as it relates to presidential powers, right, and the argument of some, right, inconsistent in its interpretation of presidential powers, dependent on the party of that president, right, if you look at some of the decisions where it endorsed a broad definition of presidential power under trump and seemed to move the other way under biden. i'm quoting from folks who follow the court much more closely than me. but as you look at this court and its current makeup, what do you think is most likely outcome? >> i think the most likely outcome if they take the case is if they were to affirm the lower court and maybe come up with a test. because here we're talking about the presidential records act, congress after watergate said listen, the documents in the white house don't belong to any person in the white house. they belong to the people. and set up a system for managing that. and in that statute it says former presidents get to weigh in. and it is that language that donald trump sort of seized on. my guess is the supreme court could decide, well, we want to give a balancing test for when former presidents have problems with sitting presidents. i agree with you, the thing that stands out with me, some of us remember the trump policy of sending people back to mexico, pending their hearings in the immigration status. this u.s. supreme court has enjoined the biden administration to affirmatively go back to the former president's policy. to me, that is really hamstringing the power of a sitting president, so, again, unfortunately this court really has politicized itself, and there is just no guessing what will happen. my guess is they will take it, and they will affirm it, but have their say in it. >> it is fascinating because as you talk about the politization, right, over the last couple of months, there also has been this push by different justices to say, we're not -- this is not a political court, this is not how we work, not how it is happening and one of the main questions is if people are trying it decide whether to gain whether they'll take up the cases, what will be more political, right, to take it up or not. >> yeah. and i think these justices do think about what the implications are going to be for the next president. they always have done that. but, again, the way the law works is there are different politicians and there are rules and standards that govern judges. unless you get to the supreme court. then there is really nothing. and up until recently, the court has consistently apolitically for the most part, with some exceptions, followed those rules of conduct. it is not the case now. when people talk about packing a court, that is should congress expand the court, i think it is really unpacking the court, because we are in the moment where this court already is politicized, and we have to just keep an eye on it going forward. >> kim, thanks so much. >> thank you. still to come this hour, jussie smollett guilty of falsely reporting a hate crime. now will face sentencing. how much jail time could he see? 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(gasps) ♪ did it work? only pay for what you need ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ spider-man no way home in theaters december 17th when subway® opened they changed the fast food game. but sometimes you gotta refresh ...to be fresh. welcome to the eat fresh refresh. refresh where there is so much new, some say that it can't fit in one ad. i say... ...we're talking a new all-american club, deli-style oven-roasted turkey and... oh, that's the new steak & cheese. oh yeah, i knew that. that's the one with the new... ...seasoning. and that was the new mvp parmesan vinaigrette . right. which makes a next level foot... hold up. the subway logo? wait i'm out of time? the former empire actor jussie smollett now facing possible time in prison. this after a jury found him guilty of falsely reporting a hate crime, smollett was convicted on five of six felony counts of disorderly conduct for making false reports to police. >> ultimately the jury rejected smollett's testimony that he did not stage a fake hate crime for publicity. sara sidner is live in chicago, joining us this morning. sara, what do we expect from the sentencing? >> so the judge has a great deal of discrepancy here. he can decide to send smollett to jail for up to three years, and give him a $25,000 fine, or he can decide not to give jussie smollett any jail time. it is up to the judge's discretion in this case. we should mention that those five of six counts that he was found guilty on have to do with what he told police in january of 2019, two of those are him falsely reporting that he was the victim of a hate crime, and three of those are because he falsely reported that he was the victim of a battery. it was all from the same overnight, early morning alleged attack that he told police about. and there were so many things that went on in this case, so many dramatics in the courtroom. one of the big things, though, one of the most important parts of this case were these two brothers, the osundairo brothers, who took the stand and said, look, we apologize for what we did and our part in this, but we did take part in this hoax attack against jussie smollett because he asked us to and he gave us some money to do so. $3500. that has been their story after they were arrested unusually and then let go. you see that picture there of the two men walking down the street, in dark clothing. they said that was them, that they perpetrated this hoax because jussie had told them that he wanted publicity, he wanted this to go out on social media, and then police got involved and this all tumbled. jim? >> tumbled, to say the least. sara sidner, thanks so much. let's speak to joey jackson for more on the legal analysis of the verdict. cnn legal analyst, criminal defense attorney. joey, you made the point that part of the issue here, right, is the smollett doubled down on this, even after the questions arose. do you believe he will face both jail time as well as civil financial liability here? >> yeah, jim, i really do. good morning to you and good morning, erica. i think there is a number of imperatives when you look at sentencing that a judge is going to consider. what is that? punishment, deterrence, rehabilitation. we know the prospects for rehabilitation are excellent. he's a young man with a future. i think the judge will be hung up on two other things. punishment and deterrence. why? when you look at the issue of punishment, you have to look and say, well, you know what, this was a fake report, regarding a hate crime. there is so many other people who are suffering from hate crimes that are genuine, and what does it do to diminish and devalue them? i think the judge will be very concerned about that. the punishment for that, and the message it sends from a deterrent perspective. number two, you talk about the resources that were expended on looking for these people who did it and how could they and how would they engage in such hate and then you find, never mind, that's not the case. so with regard to resources expended, when there are other needs in the city, i think that's not going to be lost on the judge and very briefly, jim and erica, and the final point is you now went and testified at trial, you have a right to do that. when you testify and give evidence that the jury clearly believes was a lie, based upon when you're on trial, which is because of a lie, or lies, that i think concerns a judge. so, yes, i do believe that jail will be behind this and i think from a civil perspective we know that there is that lawsuit about the -- i think that certainly factors in and there will be reimbursement as well on the civil aspect. >> i want to get your take, we're following the trial of kim potter as well. daunte wright's girlfriend testified yesterday she was the only person who tried to help him, she tried to stop the bleeding. take a listen. >> i was trying to help him. trying to push on his chest and call his name. and he wasn't answering me. i took my belt off and grabbed whatever was in the car, i don't remember if it was a sweater or a towel or whatever it was, and put it on his chest. >> such an emotional moment. and also just heart breaking as she's relaying what happened. how important will that testimony be, joey? >> i think very, erica, for the following reason. i think what you want to do when you're a prosecutor is remind jurors of the consequences here. this was the consequence of action, the defense wants to and has been arguing that this is an accident and give her a pass, this is what prosecutors will do to show should we really be giving an officer a pass who needs to preserve life? i think also having her testify demonstrates his life, the value of his life and whether or not the police did enough there after to assist him. while cases are not -- do not turn on emotion, i think the fact is that people are people, but evidentiary-wise it is very important and very compelling testimony and that's why the prosecutor had her on the stand. >> the shooting in oxford, michigan, now, there is a probable cause hearing for both ethan crumbley, the suspect in the shooting, but his parents. how soon does this case go to trial? what happens to the parents in this? >> you know what happens, jim, there are always delays. there are standards and protocols and probable cause hearing has to happen within two weeks of an actual arrest, et cetera. what is the probable cause hearing? it is just a hearing at which you have to establish to the court, to the satisfaction of the court there is reason to believe that a crime was committed and that the defendants who are under arrest as we look at -- are the ones that committed it. it is a low standard, you're not proving guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. you have issues with respect to discovery, the release of information, police reports, documents, body cams, anything else you may have as to each of them individually. so it is an open question, jim, as to actually when it will go to trial or if it will go to trial. remember there are always bargains and other things that could be reached as you move forward. but compelling cases as to both the son and the parents. >> joey jackson, thanks so much. questions in that case were about missed warning signs. police are crediting two students for heed something warning signs, thwarting an alleged plot for a mass shooting at a campus in florida. john hagins was taken into custody after posting troubling messages to a group chat on snapchat. >> they say he threatened the attack similar to columbine, that it would happen at embry-riddle aeronautical university on the final day before winter break. by the grace of god, these two students came forward and thwarted that plan. he's already confessed to making these statements. he has confessed to it. he may want to claim that it was all a joke, and he wasn't serious but it, but we don't find anything funny about discussing a mass shooting on a campus. if he was looking for attention, he's got it. >> and you just saw the pictures here. police found a collapsible rifle and ammunition inside a backpack when he was taken into custody. he's now being held without bond on numerous charges. among them, attempted first degree homicide. still ahead here, cnn is going to take you inside a michigan hospital. that state setting new covid-19 records, nearly two years into the pandemic. and despite being hospitalized with the virus, as you will see, that is still not convincing some people of the power of a vaccination. >> i didn't want to be vaccinated. >> you didn't want to be vaccinated? 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>> so what we learned is that the cia is kind of reorganizing the way that it manages the careers of its human intelligence collectors, its actual spies. this sounds look a really in the weeds obscure hr policy change, but it can have over the long run a pretty significant impact on how well the agency is able to develop the kind of intelligence officers it needs to get after adversaries like china or russia. it means the cia's mission centers are going to have more say so over the long-term career trajectory of their officers, over thing like the languages they learn and the assignments that they get and even where they're sent. so i'm told that by my sources that this isn't just about china, but it is really important in the context of the challenge of china, for the cia. china's what intelligence collectors call a hard target. it is really opaque, tough to get into, you really need officers who have this kind of deep can cultural and regional expertise to kind of get after the problem. and you need to be able to send them where they're needed. you need to send them to, say, west africa, where china has a lot of investment and united states wants to be able to see what they're up to. so bottom line, jim, in a lot of ways this is a return to a really traditional way of thinking about espionage, that's a little bit different from how the cia might have been focusing on the counterterrorism problem which had a little bit more of a paramilitary element to it over the last 20 years. it also comes at a moment in which human spying, traditional human intelligence gathering is getting more difficult for everybody, not just the united states. take a listen to what cia director bill burns had to say just earlier this week. >> the area of ubiquitous technical surveillance makes it a lot harder to conduct traditional espionage as well. and so what we need to do is transform everything from the way we recruit case officers to the way we train them, to the way we operate in very complicated, you know, foreign landscapes, to the way we communicate as well. and we are not in a defensive crouch today. >> so bottom line here, jim, you know, things are getting a lot tougher for the cia to sort of field spies out into the world and what my sources -- gone are the days in which a case officer can just go to the border of a new country, pick up a new passport, assume a new identity and go about his life. that's part of this change. >> harder to hide with things like facial recognition technology, right? >> precisely. >> mono matter how many fake mustaches you put on. katie, thank you very much. >> my pleasure. turning now to covid, the u.s. is at the beginning of what could become a serious winter surge. new infections up more than 50% from a month ago. hospitalization rates also soaring. that's really an important place to focus. >> icu beds, 80% full, nearly one in five being used for coronavirus patients. the trend especially bad in the midwest, where hospitals are now under extreme pressure. miguel marquez reports from a hospital in michigan where health workers stretched to their limits. >> reporter: we are at the same hospital, sparrow health, in lansing, in april, during the third coronavirus wave here across michigan and it is now the fourth wave and it is worse than ever. let me hit you up with one number, the health and hospital association for michigan says in the last 30 days alone, hospitalizations across the state have risen by 88%. it is a shocking number. and with christmas and new year's coming up, there is even greater concern. one of the biggest issues they have right now is staffing. shortages of nurses, doctors and hospital staff across the entire state, many hospitals going to the highest level of triage, code red, which means they don't take patients from other areas, and they have to cancel some elective procedures. all of this taking a massive toll on staff. and they are leaving and not going to work as much in nursing and healthcare in part because of the stress of the job, they're also some of them taking traveling nursing jobs because they just pay a heck of a lot more. we spoke to one nurse at sparrow about how stress in her life manifests itself. >> i used to be on the days i come to work, i would be stressed out. now it carries over to knowing i have to come into work and do this, i love my job, i love what i do, i can't see myself doing anything else, but it is the heaviness that is here and working in these situations with these people who before they go out the door had a normal life, healthy people, out celebrating thanksgiving and now they're here with a mask on their face, teary eyed, staring at me, asking me if they're going to live or not. desperation. and it is heart breaking. >> reporter: and here is yet another stressor on the entire hospital system across the state. the flu. it is much more active this year than it was last year. so they're starting to see more flu cases. that is also putting a stress on hospital beds across the state. look, the chief medical officer for sparrow health says even if you get your first vaccine shot today, you may not have full protection by christmas time, but at least you have some. jim, erica? 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is this going to happen? >> this is not yet a done deal for the u.s. department of justice, which has been trying to get their hands on julian assange for years now. the assange team made clear they will be appealing this. there is an appeals process, they will appeal to the uk supreme court. they have to do that within the next two weeks. assange's fiancee called today's ruling a grave miscarriage of justice. what essentially happened is back in january a uk judge ruled that julian assange would be a suicide risk. and if he were to be extradited to the united states. he would not be treated humanely. so in response to appeal that ruling, the united states sent over four assurances to say that in fact assange would be treated humanely, and the high court today upheld -- agreed with those assurances. they are that assange will not be made the subject of what is called special administrative measures, while he's in a u.s. prison. he will not be held at a maximum security prison here in the u.s. before or after trial. the u.s. will consent to an application by assange to serve his sentence in australia, if he is eventually convicted. and then while in custody here in the u.s., assange will receive, quote, appropriate clinical and psychological treatment. the judges in this high court issued a direction that this -- that the uk home minister, the british home minister go ahead with this extradition to the united states. so as i said, it is not a done deal. but a british high court upholding these -- this -- these assurances by the united states that if extradited here that assange would be treated humanely. erica and jim? >> alex, appreciate it, thank you. new details this morning as well about a crucial call between president biden and his ukrainian counterpart, president vla volodymyr zelensky. >> he suppressed his frustration to biden yesterday saying the threat of economic sanctions is not enough to deter a possible russian invasion of ukraine. cnn's matthew chance joins us now from kiev. i wonder how widespread that disappointment is among ukrainian officials and what do they want to see to properly deter russia? >> reporter: yeah, well, exactly. very publicly the ukrainian government is saying that they're very grateful to the united states for the continued support, the president biden is offering the ukrainian e ian sovereignty and territorial integrity. but behind closed doors, one official who is aware of that conversation told me that when president biden set out what he discussed with president putin on the video call a few days ago in terms of imposing tough sanctions against russia, president zelensky of ukraine said we don't believe in prescriptive sanctions. we think sanctions should be up front, have a delayed implementation perhaps, but then also the ability to have them rolled back if in the words of this official that russia behaves. it was also some frustration expressed, the fact that a request has been made by the ukrainians, they say, for more weapons, lethal weaponry, defensive weaponry, in ordere r country. those weapons have not arrived. there was a discussion about nato, president biden, this is according to the official, with knowledge of the phone call, with vladimolodymyr zelensky, president biden made it clear russia was not given a veto on ukrainian membership. >> a lot to take away from that. matthew chance, appreciate it. thank you. well any moment now the casket holding the body of the late senator bob dole expected to depart capitol hill for washington national cathedral. up next, we'll let you know who will be a part of that private invitation only funeral happening soon. stay with us. it's the sparkle and shine sale. get 30% off everything. ♪ ♪ this is how we shine... at zales. the diamond store. it's the most joyous time of the year. especially at t-mobile! let's go to dianne. i got the awesome new iphone 13 pro and airpods, and t-mobile is paying for them both! and this is for new and existing customers. upgrade to the iphone 13 pro and airpods both on us. only at t-mobile. there's a different way to treat hiv. it's once-monthly injectable cabenuva. cabenuva is the only once-a-month, complete hiv treatment for adults who are undetectable. cabenuva helps keep me undetectable. it's two injections, given by a healthcare provider once a month. hiv pills aren't on my mind. i love being able to pick up and go. don't receive cabenuva if you're allergic to its ingredients or taking certain medicines, which may interact with cabenuva. serious side effects include allergic reactions post-injection reactions, liver problems,...and depression. if you have a rash and other allergic reaction symptoms, stop cabenuva and get medical help right away. tell your doctor if you have liver problems or mental health concerns, and if you are pregnant, breastfeeding, or considering pregnancy. some of the most common side effects include injection site reactions, fever, and tiredness. if you switch to cabenuva, attend all treatment appointments. with once-a-month cabenuva, i'm good to go. ask your doctor about once-monthly cabenuva. 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prices, high consumer spending and markets fighting off fears of the omicron variant. those are all positive signs pointing to a strong economy, wages, also expected to increase for employees next year. the white house working to temper expectations ahead of this report. janet yellen reportedly urging lawmakers not to be spooked by new inflation numbers as they continue to consider the price tag of president biden's social spending bill. what does all this really mean? let's bring in christine romans. when it comes to higher prices, look, we can all attest to that. we have seen it in different areas. what does this report tell us? >> these are the numbers that really quantify the gut punch for american consumers. that gut punch that feels like it really peaked in november. 6.8% is a big number. back to the '80s when stevie wonder and ebony and ivory was at the top of the charts, we were wearing clogs. this is not something we have seen in modern times, numbers like this. you look at the line chart of inflation, this is the worst in years and certainly the most meaningful price inflation we have seen in our recent memory. strip out food and energy, and this growth rate is 4.9% year over year and half a percentage point, half a percent for the month from october to november. and it has been energy driving much of this. you've seen that, we have talked about gas prices and those prices have been moderating in the past few weeks, which is why some economists are saying they think this might be the worst. you can see that you had some really sharp core rates earlier in the year and that appears like it might be moderating a little bit here. we also know that the shortages because of supply concerns, we're hearing from ceos and we're hearing from the white house, we're hearing from supply chain managers, demand is strong. this is a sign of a strong economy, guys. people are rushing out at the same time to buy the stuff they want after we have been in a huge pandemic. >> that portion of this, christine, are energy prices. gas, home heating oil, natural gas for home heating because we know that that is trending downward at least based on where the markets stand today. >> and that's rear view mirror. it is a good point you're making there, jim. because we know that this was -- you had 30, 40, 50% increases in your energy costs year over year the last few months and we any that that is now moderating. so hopefully that energy part of inflation, consumer inflation, is not going to be as big of a deal heading into the end of the year. look, the fed is inflation fighting mode. they dropped that word transitory or temporary, the fed, not the white house, not business, it is the fed. the fed is in an inflation fighting mode and will be ending early probably a lot of the stimulus and start raising interest rates because it is a strong economy, they have to tap on the brakes. >> christine romans, appreciate you putting it in plain english. >> for sure. transitory one of the worst reads on this -- of the year. for more on this report, we are joined by political commentator catherine rampel. big picture here, i wonder. some of this is policy. you'll hear from republicans, or even joe manchin, they'll talk about the big inject of money from the covid relief plan. but some of it is structural. this is a global supply chain crisis. this is a global reaction to the slowdown during the pandemic. and things are heating up again. in your view, how much of this is on the president, how much of this is on the markets? >> i will state the same line i always give when i am asked about how much the president controls the economy, he gets too much credit when the economy is good, too much blame when the economy is bad. that's the case for inflation here as well. look, it is not that policymak makes no difference here. they have been expansionary, pushing up demand, pushing up prices as a result, but as you point out, we are coming out of, i hope, a global pandemic. and that has created a lot of growing pains for the economy right now because you have the supply chain problems around the world, not just in the united states, but in china, and elsewhere. we don't know how all of those will respond, of course, to omicron in the months ahead. you have demand way up. you have consumers shifting more of their basket of purchases away from services and towards goods, which is also driving up the cost of goods, of course. so bottom line, of course, the pandemic is still very much in control of the global economy and you're seeing that in these inflation numbers. >> so if the pandemic is still in control, catherine, i think the question for a lot of people is what do i look at? you wrote about it this week, when it comes to inflation, everybody is going to take -- they're going to take what they like, what works best for their narrative, whatever that may be, certainly politically, and spin it that way. so as the average american watching, what should i look for? what should i be pointing to this morning? >> well, what you want to be looking for is what elements of this report are a little bit more forward looking, so as you already have discussed, some of the numbers on energy prices were really eye popping, but those have come down since these data were collected because of a combination of reaction to omicron, supply chains hopefully normalizing, warmer weather in the case of natural gas, for example. so that, you know, the numbers in this report may not be as telling. but there is some other causes for concern in this report that might worry people including the rent numbers, for example. or the food numbers. the prices of both of those items have been going upward, food may be easing in the months ahead, we don't know. the rent and owner equivalent rent are concerning and suggest that we may have sustained price pressures for a little while longer. >> rent, stucicky numbers, you sign on for a 12-month lease. i want to ask about a general di disconnect here. people feel inflation every time they go to the grocery store. that said, wages are up. you have historically low unemployment rate but also new jobless claims. talk about going to 1969 for a weekly jobless claim like we saw yesterday here. how do you explain that disconnect? is it perception or is it just that the income et cetera is not matched up with what people are paying for stuff. >> it is a little bit of both to be fair. there are a lot of good things happening in this economy. demand is way up. unemployment is actually quite low in historical terms and much lower than many people had forecast it would be right now. the job market looks very strong. the size of the economy, you know, gdp is higher than it was prepandemic. there is a lot of good stuff happening here. but those prices really affect people day to day. and it weighs on consumer psychology, even though their incomes are up, overall, when -- especially when you account for things like the government transfers they have gotten over the past year and a half, you know, the stimulus checks and child tax credits and things like that. their incomes are up, even accounting for inflation, but they're worried about whether that inflation will persist and living standards will decline in the months ahead. >> catherine, good to have you on. thank you. we're going to continue to follow this obviously and the reaction next hour. reaction from the white house counsel of economic advisers. stay with us for that. the house select committee investigating the january 6th attack is now one step closer to receiving former president trump's white house records. yesterday, a formerjecting trumf executive privilege. >> whitney wild has been following this. how likely now and how quickly i suppose is the key question here given the timeline that the supreme court takes this up and gives final word? >> well, i think that's going to depend on the argument that the trump team can make, and it is an uphill battle because the appeals court decision makes very clear that these judges just don't think that the trump team made any legitimate arguments and what you have to do it try to get the supreme court to even look at your case is prove that there is a very good chance you'll actually succeed. what this decision does is eviscerate the trump team argument that that's possible. one key argument here that the appeals court made in ruling against the trump team is that they say frankly trump has not articulated an actual harm. he can't even say why it would be problematic to release these records. that was just a list of arguments that they made in their decision, the 68-page decision coming out last night. the timeline here is critical as you point out. this is 14 days, like, 14-day pause on the appeals court decision. so that means the trump team has 14 days to try to get the supreme court to see it their way and possibly take this case up. if the supreme court does that, it will be because four people on the supreme court said that they think this is at least worth hearing. we need four votes to hear this case. a very short timeline. but certainly an uphill battle because the appeals court was definitive in their explanation that this has no merit. the trump team, however, saying this morning and last night that this was always destined for the supreme court. so i guess we'll see. >> indeed we will. we will be watching, whitney wild, thank you. to dig deeper, kim waily, law professor at the university of baltimore. i was struck by something i heard last night. kim is also the author of "how to read the constitution and why," a book i need because i'm not a law professor. you a harvard law professor said to cnn last night that in addition to this decision pointing out that trump's legal team had not ex- explained the why there, that it also went on to say this was a clear effort to delay the efforts of the committee. trying to mess with congress. and he said that was code that was a sign to the supreme court not to take up this case. would you agree? >> i think the full 68-page opinion was assigned to the united states supreme court to not take up the case because they also signalled in there that this was their -- the president, the former president's claims that this was a political maneuver, that it was somehow improper were just flat out wrong in that they couldn't even dispute that this information is, of course, relevant. i unfortunately, you know, these are three more progressive, i would say, leaning and i say that just because all three of them have a history dealing with either inside government or dealing with government, i'm not -- i just don't know especially after what happened with abortion where the court took up -- didn't instill injunction in texas, even though that law is clearly unconstitutional, and is taking up abortion when there was no reason to take it up. i just don't think we can anticipate what it is going to do in this moment with this particular case. even though i agree 100% with the court of appeals. there is one president at a time. that's joe biden. there is not two presidents. and so the idea that somehow donald trump in his sort of civil, you know, private citizen capacity can override both congress and the executive branch that are the sitting government right now just doesn't even make logical sense let alone legal sense. >> i was going to ask you to read this, right, because it has been fairly activist on issues that it wants to pipe in on, right. and particularly as it relates to presidential powers, right, and the argument of some, right, inconsistent in its interpretation of presidential powers, dependent on the party of that president, right, if you look at some of the decisions where it endorsed a broad definition of presidential power under trump and seemed to move the other way under biden. i'm quoting from folks who follow the court much more closely than me. but as you look at this court and its current makeup, what do you think is most likely outcome? >> i think the most likely outcome if they take the case is if they were to affirm the lower court and maybe come up with a test. because here we're talking about the presidential records act, congress after watergate said listen, the documents in the white house don't belong to any person in the white house. they belong to the people. and set up a system for managing that. and in that statute it says former presidents get to weigh in. and it is that language that donald trump sort of seized on. my guess is the supreme court could decide, well, we want to give a balancing test for when former presidents have problems with sitting presidents. i agree with you, the thing that stands out with me, some of us remember the trump policy of sending people back to mexico, pending their hearings in the immigration status. this u.s. supreme court has enjoined the biden administration to affirmatively go back to the former president's policy. to me, that is really hamstringing the power of a sitting president, so, again, unfortunately this court really has politicized itself, and there is just no guessing what will happen. my guess is they will take it, and they will affirm it, but have their say in it. >> it is fascinating because as you talk about the politization, right, over the last couple of months, there also has been this push by different justices to say, we're not -- this is not a political court, this is not how we work, not how it is happening and one of the main questions is if people are trying it decide whether to gain whether they'll take up the cases, what will be more political, right, to take it up or not. >> yeah. and i think these justices do think about what the implications are going to be for the next president. they always have done that. but, again, the way the law works is there are different politicians and there are rules and standards that govern judges. unless you get to the supreme court. then there is really nothing. and up until recently, the court has consistently apolitically for the most part, with some exceptions, followed those rules of conduct. it is not the case now. when people talk about packing a court, that is should congress expand the court, i think it is really unpacking the court, because we are in the moment where this court already is politicized, and we have to just keep an eye on it going forward. >> kim, thanks so much. >> thank you. still to come this hour, jussie smollett guilty of falsely reporting a hate crime. now will face sentencing. how much jail time could he see? 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>> so the judge has a great deal of discrepancy here. he can decide to send smollett to jail for up to three years, and give him a $25,000 fine, or he can decide not to give jussie smollett any jail time. it is up to the judge's discretion in this case. we should mention that those five of six counts that he was found guilty on have to do with what he told police in january of 2019, two of those are him falsely reporting that he was the victim of a hate crime, and three of those are because he falsely reported that he was the victim of a battery. it was all from the same overnight, early morning alleged attack that he told police about. and there were so many things that went on in this case, so many dramatics in the courtroom. one of the big things, though, one of the most important parts of this case were these two brothers, the osundairo brothers, who took the stand and said, look, we apologize for what we did and our part in this, but we did take part in this hoax attack against jussie smollett because he asked us to and he gave us some money to do so. $3500. that has been their story after they were arrested unusually and then let go. you see that picture there of the two men walking down the street, in dark clothing. they said that was them, that they perpetrated this hoax because jussie had told them that he wanted publicity, he wanted this to go out on social media, and then police got involved and this all tumbled. jim? >> tumbled, to say the least. sara sidner, thanks so much. let's speak to joey jackson for more on the legal analysis of the verdict. cnn legal analyst, criminal defense attorney. joey, you made the point that part of the issue here, right, is the smollett doubled down on this, even after the questions arose. do you believe he will face both jail time as well as civil financial liability here? >> yeah, jim, i really do. good morning to you and good morning, erica. i think there is a number of imperatives when you look at sentencing that a judge is going to consider. what is that? punishment, deterrence, rehabilitation. we know the prospects for rehabilitation are excellent. he's a young man with a future. i think the judge will be hung up on two other things. punishment and deterrence. why? when you look at the issue of punishment, you have to look and say, well, you know what, this was a fake report, regarding a hate crime. there is so many other people who are suffering from hate crimes that are genuine, and what does it do to diminish and devalue them? i think the judge will be very concerned about that. the punishment for that, and the message it sends from a deterrent perspective. number two, you talk about the resources that were expended on looking for these people who did it and how could they and how would they engage in such hate and then you find, never mind, that's not the case. so with regard to resources expended, when there are other needs in the city, i think that's not going to be lost on the judge and very briefly, jim and erica, and the final point is you now went and testified at trial, you have a right to do that. when you testify and give evidence that the jury clearly believes was a lie, based upon when you're on trial, which is because of a lie, or lies, that i think concerns a judge. so, yes, i do believe that jail will be behind this and i think from a civil perspective we know that there is that lawsuit about the -- i think that certainly factors in and there will be reimbursement as well on the civil aspect. >> i want to get your take, we're following the trial of kim potter as well. daunte wright's girlfriend testified yesterday she was the only person who tried to help him, she tried to stop the bleeding. take a listen. >> i was trying to help him. trying to push on his chest and call his name. and he wasn't answering me. i took my belt off and grabbed whatever was in the car, i don't remember if it was a sweater or a towel or whatever it was, and put it on his chest. >> such an emotional moment. and also just heart breaking as she's relaying what happened. how important will that testimony be, joey? >> i think very, erica, for the following reason. i think what you want to do when you're a prosecutor is remind jurors of the consequences here. this was the consequence of action, the defense wants to and has been arguing that this is an accident and give her a pass, this is what prosecutors will do to show should we really be giving an officer a pass who needs to preserve life? i think also having her testify demonstrates his life, the value of his life and whether or not the police did enough there after to assist him. while cases are not -- do not turn on emotion, i think the fact is that people are people, but evidentiary-wise it is very important and very compelling testimony and that's why the prosecutor had her on the stand. >> the shooting in oxford, michigan, now, there is a probable cause hearing for both ethan crumbley, the suspect in the shooting, but his parents. how soon does this case go to trial? what happens to the parents in this? >> you know what happens, jim, there are always delays. there are standards and protocols and probable cause hearing has to happen within two weeks of an actual arrest, et cetera. what is the probable cause hearing? it is just a hearing at which you have to establish to the court, to the satisfaction of the court there is reason to believe that a crime was committed and that the defendants who are under arrest as we look at -- are the ones that committed it. it is a low standard, you're not proving guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. you have issues with respect to discovery, the release of information, police reports, documents, body cams, anything else you may have as to each of them individually. so it is an open question, jim, as to actually when it will go to trial or if it will go to trial. remember there are always bargains and other things that could be reached as you move forward. but compelling cases as to both the son and the parents. >> joey jackson, thanks so much. questions in that case were about missed warning signs. police are crediting two students for heed something warning signs, thwarting an alleged plot for a mass shooting at a campus in florida. john hagins was taken into custody after posting troubling messages to a group chat on snapchat. >> they say he threatened the attack similar to columbine, that it would happen at embry-riddle aeronautical university on the final day before winter break. by the grace of god, these two students came forward and thwarted that plan. he's already confessed to making these statements. he has confessed to it. he may want to claim that it was all a joke, and he wasn't serious but it, but we don't find anything funny about discussing a mass shooting on a campus. if he was looking for attention, he's got it. >> and you just saw the pictures here. police found a collapsible rifle and ammunition inside a backpack when he was taken into custody. he's now being held without bond on numerous charges. among them, attempted first degree homicide. still ahead here, cnn is going to take you inside a michigan hospital. that state setting new covid-19 records, nearly two years into the pandemic. and despite being hospitalized with the virus, as you will see, that is still not convincing some people of the power of a vaccination. >> i didn't want to be vaccinated. >> you didn't want to be vaccinated? 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>> so what we learned is that the cia is kind of reorganizing the way that it manages the careers of its human intelligence collectors, its actual spies. this sounds look a really in the weeds obscure hr policy change, but it can have over the long run a pretty significant impact on how well the agency is able to develop the kind of intelligence officers it needs to get after adversaries like china or russia. it means the cia's mission centers are going to have more say so over the long-term career trajectory of their officers, over thing like the languages they learn and the assignments that they get and even where they're sent. so i'm told that by my sources that this isn't just about china, but it is really important in the context of the challenge of china, for the cia. china's what intelligence collectors call a hard target. it is really opaque, tough to get into, you really need officers who have this kind of deep can cultural and regional expertise to kind of get after the problem. and you need to be able to send them where they're needed. you need to send them to, say, west africa, where china has a lot of investment and united states wants to be able to see what they're up to. so bottom line, jim, in a lot of ways this is a return to a really traditional way of thinking about espionage, that's a little bit different from how the cia might have been focusing on the counterterrorism problem which had a little bit more of a paramilitary element to it over the last 20 years. it also comes at a moment in which human spying, traditional human intelligence gathering is getting more difficult for everybody, not just the united states. take a listen to what cia director bill burns had to say just earlier this week. >> the area of ubiquitous technical surveillance makes it a lot harder to conduct traditional espionage as well. and so what we need to do is transform everything from the way we recruit case officers to the way we train them, to the way we operate in very complicated, you know, foreign landscapes, to the way we communicate as well. and we are not in a defensive crouch today. >> so bottom line here, jim, you know, things are getting a lot tougher for the cia to sort of field spies out into the world and what my sources -- gone are the days in which a case officer can just go to the border of a new country, pick up a new passport, assume a new identity and go about his life. that's part of this change. >> harder to hide with things like facial recognition technology, right? >> precisely. >> mono matter how many fake mustaches you put on. katie, thank you very much. >> my pleasure. turning now to covid, the u.s. is at the beginning of what could become a serious winter surge. new infections up more than 50% from a month ago. hospitalization rates also soaring. that's really an important place to focus. >> icu beds, 80% full, nearly one in five being used for coronavirus patients. the trend especially bad in the midwest, where hospitals are now under extreme pressure. miguel marquez reports from a hospital in michigan where health workers stretched to their limits. >> reporter: we are at the same hospital, sparrow health, in lansing, in april, during the third coronavirus wave here across michigan and it is now the fourth wave and it is worse than ever. let me hit you up with one number, the health and hospital association for michigan says in the last 30 days alone, hospitalizations across the state have risen by 88%. it is a shocking number. and with christmas and new year's coming up, there is even greater concern. one of the biggest issues they have right now is staffing. shortages of nurses, doctors and hospital staff across the entire state, many hospitals going to the highest level of triage, code red, which means they don't take patients from other areas, and they have to cancel some elective procedures. all of this taking a massive toll on staff. and they are leaving and not going to work as much in nursing and healthcare in part because of the stress of the job, they're also some of them taking traveling nursing jobs because they just pay a heck of a lot more. we spoke to one nurse at sparrow about how stress in her life manifests itself. >> i used to be on the days i come to work, i would be stressed out. now it carries over to knowing i have to come into work and do this, i love my job, i love what i do, i can't see myself doing anything else, but it is the heaviness that is here and working in these situations with these people who before they go out the door had a normal life, healthy people, out celebrating thanksgiving and now they're here with a mask on their face, teary eyed, staring at me, asking me if they're going to live or not. desperation. and it is heart breaking. >> reporter: and here is yet another stressor on the entire hospital system across the state. the flu. it is much more active this year than it was last year. so they're starting to see more flu cases. that is also putting a stress on hospital beds across the state. look, the chief medical officer for sparrow health says even if you get your first vaccine shot today, you may not have full protection by christmas time, but at least you have some. jim, erica? 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is this going to happen? >> this is not yet a done deal for the u.s. department of justice, which has been trying to get their hands on julian assange for years now. the assange team made clear they will be appealing this. there is an appeals process, they will appeal to the uk supreme court. they have to do that within the next two weeks. assange's fiancee called today's ruling a grave miscarriage of justice. what essentially happened is back in january a uk judge ruled that julian assange would be a suicide risk. and if he were to be extradited to the united states. he would not be treated humanely. so in response to appeal that ruling, the united states sent over four assurances to say that in fact assange would be treated humanely, and the high court today upheld -- agreed with those assurances. they are that assange will not be made the subject of what is called special administrative measures, while he's in a u.s. prison. he will not be held at a maximum security prison here in the u.s. before or after trial. the u.s. will consent to an application by assange to serve his sentence in australia, if he is eventually convicted. and then while in custody here in the u.s., assange will receive, quote, appropriate clinical and psychological treatment. the judges in this high court issued a direction that this -- that the uk home minister, the british home minister go ahead with this extradition to the united states. so as i said, it is not a done deal. but a british high court upholding these -- this -- these assurances by the united states that if extradited here that assange would be treated humanely. erica and jim? >> alex, appreciate it, thank you. new details this morning as well about a crucial call between president biden and his ukrainian counterpart, president vla volodymyr zelensky. >> he suppressed his frustration to biden yesterday saying the threat of economic sanctions is not enough to deter a possible russian invasion of ukraine. cnn's matthew chance joins us now from kiev. i wonder how widespread that disappointment is among ukrainian officials and what do they want to see to properly deter russia? >> reporter: yeah, well, exactly. very publicly the ukrainian government is saying that they're very grateful to the united states for the continued support, the president biden is offering the ukrainian e ian sovereignty and territorial integrity. but behind closed doors, one official who is aware of that conversation told me that when president biden set out what he discussed with president putin on the video call a few days ago in terms of imposing tough sanctions against russia, president zelensky of ukraine said we don't believe in prescriptive sanctions. we think sanctions should be up front, have a delayed implementation perhaps, but then also the ability to have them rolled back if in the words of this official that russia behaves. it was also some frustration expressed, the fact that a request has been made by the ukrainians, they say, for more weapons, lethal weaponry, defensive weaponry, in ordere r country. those weapons have not arrived. there was a discussion about nato, president biden, this is according to the official, with knowledge of the phone call, with vladimolodymyr zelensky, president biden made it clear russia was not given a veto on ukrainian membership. >> a lot to take away from that. matthew chance, appreciate it. thank you. well any moment now the casket holding the body of the late senator bob dole expected to depart capitol hill for washington national cathedral. up next, we'll let you know who will be a part of that private invitation only funeral happening soon. stay with us. it's the sparkle and shine sale. get 30% off everything. ♪ ♪ this is how we shine... at zales. the diamond store. it's the most joyous time of the year. especially at t-mobile! let's go to dianne. i got the awesome new iphone 13 pro and airpods, and t-mobile is paying for them both! and this is for new and existing customers. upgrade to the iphone 13 pro and airpods both on us. only at t-mobile. there's a different way to treat hiv. it's once-monthly injectable cabenuva. cabenuva is the only once-a-month, complete hiv treatment for adults who are undetectable. cabenuva helps keep me undetectable. it's two injections, given by a healthcare provider once a month. hiv pills aren't on my mind. i love being able to pick up and go. don't receive cabenuva if you're allergic to its ingredients or taking certain medicines, which may interact with cabenuva. serious side effects include allergic reactions post-injection reactions, liver problems,...and depression. if you have a rash and other allergic reaction symptoms, stop cabenuva and get medical help right away. tell your doctor if you have liver problems or mental health concerns, and if you are pregnant, breastfeeding, or considering pregnancy. some of the most common side effects include injection site reactions, fever, and tiredness. if you switch to cabenuva, attend all treatment appointments. with once-a-month cabenuva, i'm good to go. ask your doctor about once-monthly cabenuva. 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