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>> arlette, thanks so much. so ukraine's top generals at the same time are warning a russian invasion would overwhelm them without a big boost from western forces monopoly matthew chance is live in kyiv for more on this. you just spoke with the ukraine defense minister about this very thing. >> reporter: that's right. as russia builds up tens of thousands of troops on the borders of ukraine within striking distance of the territory, by the way, the latest figures, they said the number of troop presence that russia has assembled according to the latest ukraine assessment, has gone up to 120,000. that's about 25,000 more than when they last made an assessment, so it gives you an yld of the direction of travel. but undoubtedly it would be a costly invasion. the generals are saying that. the defense minister, who i spoke to a couple days ago, said that. he said it would be a bloody massacre if russia came in. but of course a massacre for ukrainians, a massacre for russians as well because there's a battle-hardened military here that would stand up, presumably, as much as it could to a russian sort of advance, a russian onslaught. interesting what we heard there, because the united states has made it quite clear when it came to resisting a russian invasion, the u.s. troops would not be deployed to help ukraine. take a listen to what president biden had to say. >> that is not on the table. they are not -- we have a moral obligation and a legal obligation to our nato ally if they were to attack under article 5, it's a sacred obligation. that obligation does not extend to nato -- i mean to ukraine. but it would depend upon what the rest of the nato countries were willing to do as well. but the idea that the united states will unilatt lateral ly is not on the cards right now. >> reporter: more u.s. weaponry and they've sent another shipment for this week, anti-tank missiles, small arms. >> matthew, thank you. joining me is thomas pickering, former u.s. ambassador to the russian federation as well as the united nations. he's a distinguished fellow at the brookings institution. thank you for being here. what do you think? let's talk first about this call that's going to be happening in the next hour between biden and the president of ukraine. what do you think needs to happen on this call? does ukraine need assurances? does president biden need assurances? >> i think that ukraine needs assurances and that president biden, kate, has made clear that what's on the table and what's not on the table. he now has to spell it out for president zelensky. it's never popular, but it is critically important in diplomacy that we begin, if i could form it this way, with sticks, but we have to add carrots into the mix if we're going to get an outcome that is acceptable on a mutual basis and that putin has to know that, for example, potentially with oil prices going down, were we to increase our exports to europe of oil and gas, he will begin to sump losses in his own budget at home, which will reflect on his popularity with the russian public, something he counts very highly to look at. support for ukraine, as the president is doing, things like anti-tank missiles and high-technology weapons, is another alternative. some have suggested, and i'm not a military man, that ukraine create a citizen army armed with light weapons like the ak-47, which could produce a guerrilla reaction to any russian invasion. on the carrot side, we need to look at the u.s. joining the normandy group -- france and germany -- and seek to put in shape something called the minsk agreement, which is a bit in disarray, to secure russian withdrawal while at the same time perhaps look at an economic workout for ukraine which would be, in my view, in the interest of ukraine, where ukraine was a favored trading and investment partner, both of the european union on one hand, and putin's economic arrangements on the other, and really good economists would have to sit down and work that out. the role of diplomacy is to stop the conflict before it breaks out into active fighting. the president has indicated that's not on unilaterally with the u.s. now is diplomacy's time, and president zelensky has to help president biden make that happen. >> how, then, does president biden's statement, he said made clearly, as matthew chance replayed for us a second ago, how does his statement that the united states sending over troops to ukraine to help resist a russian invasion is not on the table? how does that fit into everything you're talking about here? >> it's realistic, and bluffing at a time of terrific contention, real contention between the u.s. and russia, is not an answer. were the president's bluff to be called in the opposite direction by russia, it would open the door to russians thinking they can exaggerate any threat of force in any direction they want. what i have laid out is a series of ideas. there are more. they can bring pressure on russia while at the same time offering a diplomatic solution the parties can work with and live with. >> what i hear from you is a belief, very broadly, more diplomatic engagement when it comes to russia is better. what, then -- >> it's essential, kate, and what the president did in the phone call was exactly right. >> are there risks to that? what are the risks of more engagement? >> of course there are risk to that. there are risks that somebody will try to draw it out. but they will then pay a price in the sticks that i have outlined, which will in one hand guard further against the profligate use of military force to invade ukraine from russia, and secondly, call on russia to pay a real price in the major source of income it depends upon to feed, clothe, and make itself prosperous. >> ambassador pickering, thank you. >> thank you, kate, very much. always a pleasure. >> thank you. now let's go to capitol hill where president biden and members of congress are honoring the late senator bob dole, 98 years old, a world war ii hero. former republican presidential nominee and giant of the senate. he passed away on sunday. dole will lie in state in the capitol rotunda until this evening. cnn's manu raju was there throughout the ceremony. he's outside the capitol right now as this tribute just wrapped up. manu, so many tributes to the man and the era of politics that he represents. >> reporter: yeah. a bipartisan tribute. top democrats, chuck schumer, nancy pelosi, president biden himself along with the republican leader mitch mcconnell, all praising his time of service, talking about a person they liked, talking about a time that was much different, and his service stemming back from his time serving in war, world war ii, coming to the house of representatives later, starting in the senate before he ultimately stepped aside in 1996, but saying he continued on with his efforts to try to help people, help the disabled, continued on in that regard. and what was heard time and time again is he's someone who tried to reach consensus. chuck schumer remembered him from working across the aisle to cut deals with democrats. same with joe biden, himself, making a quip about how bob dole worked with him on a key amtrak piece of legislation even though he was getting pushback from republicans. and mitch mcconnell, too, talking about the humor of bob dole, saying he is someone who could have a career as a stand-up comic. but as joe biden said, talking about his friend, overlapped his time of service, bob dole is someone who sought consensus. >> america has lost one of our greatest patriots. we may follow his wisdom, i hope, and his timeless truth. but the truth of the matter is, as divided as we are, the only way forward for democracy is unity, consensus. the only way. may we follow his wisdom and his timeless truth and reach consensus. one of the basic fundamental principles we all agree on. may god bless bob dole. >> reporter: so this is just the beginning of several days of service. there will be a viewing period not open to the pluck, behe will lie in state, bob dole will, in the capitol up until tomorrow morning. then his casket will be taken to the national cathedral in washington before heading back home to russell, kansas, for services there as well. kate? 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"the post" is reporting her office is looking into whether widespread fraud, quote, permeated the trump organization and whether it manipulated real estate properties. donald trump has not been personally accused of wrongdoing here. let's turn to new developments with the investigation into the capitol insurrection. mark meadows, donald trump's former chief of staff, is now suing the house select committee. meadows recently stopped cooperating with the committee, on again, off again, cooperating, not, and now suing but not before he turned over a trove of documents. jamie gang l joins me with more. she told congress they'd received a number of extremely interesting nonprivileged documents from meadows. you have insight into what is so interesting about these documents. can you tell us? >> reporter: for context, first, i think it's important to stay again, underscore, the documents that meadows handed over were voluntarily. no claim of privilege at all. what a source with knowledge has told me is that these very interesting documents include text messages and emails that were found on his personal cell phone, his personal email account, and that he was, quote, exchanging these texts and emails with a wide range of individuals while the attack was under way. in other words, kate, these are the messages that people are sending him and he is responding to in real time on january 6th. the source went on to say that the messages relate to, quote, what donald trump was doing and not doing during the riot. so i think what's critical is these -- we don't know who sent them yet, but these texts and emails may give certainly the committee and, if and when they release them, incredible insight into what donald trump was doing during those hours while the capitol was under attack. i just want to add one other thing. there is no way that donald trump is happy that these emails and texts were voluntarily given to the committee. >> absolutely not. donald trump doesn't really text or email, if you will. so you have to assume that's a lot of communication, even trying to reach out to president trump at the time through his chief of staff, who was with him. >> reporter: correct. >> extremely critical. >> reporter: exactly. >> seemingly every day, jamie, there are more people who were close, are close to trump who are not showing up to testify or pleading the 5th or fighting in court to avoid the committee. beyond the bold-faced names, meadows, steve bannon, and others, you have reporting there's a lot going on behind the scenes with people speaking to the committee. >> reporter: so, what i was told was the committee's working on two levels. as you said, what we see in public, people defying the committee. nen there is a completely different investigation going on behind closed doors. according to a source familiar with the committee's work, there are, quote, many people every week coming in to testify and to produce documents, in some instances, multiple people a day. some are voluntary, some are under subpoena, some are under a friendly subpoena to give people some cover. and while we've known publicly, kate, about approximately 40 people who have been subpoenaed, i'm also told there are many subpoenas out there that we do not know about and that among these witnesses are names we will recognize, kate. >> so interesting. great reporting as always, jamie. thank you. >> reporter: thank you. coming up for us, a major vaccine maker raising the possibility a fourth covid shot may be necessary. why that is, next. with age comes more... get more with neutrogena® retinol pro plus. a powerful .05% retinol that's also gentle on skin. for wrinkles results in one week. neutrogena®. for people with skin. ♪ say it's all right ♪ ♪ say it's all right, it's all right ♪ ♪ have a good time 'cause it's all right ♪ ♪ now listen to the beat ♪ ♪ kinda pat your feet ♪ ♪ it's all right ♪ ♪ have a good time 'cause it's all right ♪ ♪ oh, it's all right ♪ what can i du with less asthma? 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>> good morning, kate. with all due respect to albert, the key word there is "may." you know, you may need. i don't think he's saying you will need. i think he's speculating. at this point in time, we have absolutely no evidence of that fourth dose being needed. we need to see where this pandemic is going. a few months ago we were saying boosters were not necessary. now we're saying based on omicron, boosters are necessary. we'll have to see what's going to happen. when he talked about a fourth dose, he said 12 months from now. i can't predict what's going to happen in a month, let alone 12 months. >> especially with this pandemic, which has been the case all along. dr. fauci was on with me yesterday, and we talked about the booster dose and the news from pfizer about holding up against the variant. i asked him if guidance and the definition of fully vaccinated should change in light of this. let me play what he said. >> it's a technical, almost semantic definition, and it is the definition for requirements, if someone says are you fully vaccinated to be able to attend class at a university or a college or be able to work in a workplace. right now, kate, i don't see that changing tomorrow or next week, but certainly if you want to talk about what optimal protection is, i don't think anybody would argue that optimal protection is going to be with a third shot. whether or not it officially gets changed in the definition, i think that's going to be considered literally on a daily basis. that's always on the table. you know, my own personal opinion, kate, is what you said is correct. it will be a matter of when, not if. >> doctor, how soon do you think that should happen? should there be a sense of urgency now with omicron? >> well, i think there is. i think the question as dr. fauci says, is what is considered good enough and what is considered optimal. to me, given what we learn about omicron and what we learn about protection, getting a third dose, a booster dose, i would say the optimal immunization is to get, you know, three doses. that should be your series of being fully immunized. whether that's considered a requirement to go somewhere, that will be the complicated part. in my mind, if i'm advising my patients or family members, i am telling them in order for you to be considered fully immunized, you need to get a third dose, receive a booster. >> we don't want to forget there's still millions of people that are not going to have their first dose let alone are heading towards boosters, right? there's a new kaiser family noun dags survey out. i wanted to ask you about one part that stuck ut to me, which is about 3 in 10 parents, about 30% say they will definitely not vaccinate their children against covid. their hang-up, it appears, at least for the majority of those folks, is a lack of information, they say, and safety concerns. but this is the most researched and scrutinized vaccine mp. i mean, if people still think they're lacking information, do you think that is a failure of government ruling this out or a failure of something else? 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>> i think it's credibility, kate. you have a he said-he said situation. you have jussie smollett painting the picture of being attacked by these two brothers in what he described as a racist, homophobic rage, that involved the use of a noose, racial slurs. but yoernd, you have these two brothers who took the witness stand for the prosecution and told a different story, a story of being paid by jussie smollett to stage the attack for purposes of instagram and social media and publicity. so the jurors will going to have to really decide who's telling the truth. jussie smollett took the witness stand in his own defense, so he gave his version of the events and, you know, remained consistent that this was a hate crime, that this was not staged, that he did not pay these brothers to attack him. but jurors will have to decide who's telling the truth. that can be very difficult sometimes for jurors. >> everyone accusing everyone of lying from the witness stand in this trial. it's pretty interesting. joey, i want to turn to a very different trial that we are following very closely as well, the trial of kimberly potter. she's the officer charged in the shooting death of donte wright during a police traffic stop in april. she was heard on body camera yelling she was going to taser wright when he was trying to get away. she actually then pulled her gun and shot him, not her taser-donte wright's mother took the stand, and i want to play a bit of her testimony for everyone. >> bleeding on the ground. said it was a person in the other car. and that she was in the back of a cop car. he was so confused, angry, scared. i was just -- it was the worst day of my life. >> very emotional testimony, joey. potter defends herself saying it was a mistake, and her attorney saying in court that she has -- the attorney said it was unending regret. what does that mean for this case? >> it means the following -- good to be with you, kate and areva. i think there will be three central questions. one, we understand based on the videotape how emotional it was not only for the mother but for the actual person, kim potter, who's on trial, how regretful she was and how sorrowful she was. the question is, is that enough to get a pass when you're taking someone's life when you're on the force for 25 years and you are the training officer and should know better? the jury will have to evaluate, we know you're remorseful, we know you certainly didn't want to be in this position, we know that you reegret this unimaginably, but should we give you a pass base on the fact we give you the lie since to carry a firearm and you're there to preserve and protect life? two other things. the second issue the jury has to decide is whether the conduct of miss potter, the officer, was reckless. if that is, that's first-degree manslaughter and 15 years in jail. in the event they conclude she wasn't reckless but didn't consciously disregard the risk or was negligent, if they conclude that, that's second-degree manslaughter and a decade in jail. those are the issues surrounding that horrific trial and the fact that, you know, donte wright is not here and really should be. >> thank you both very much. two very important trials we'll be following very closely. still ahead, william shatner captivated us all with his incredibly moving reaction after his mission to space. he joins us live to talk about the next blue origin mission and how the experience changed him. . new gold bond advanced healing ointment. restore healthy skin, with no sticky feeling. gold bond. champion your skin. ♪ ♪ ♪ (sha bop sha bop) ♪ ♪ are the stars out tonight? (sha bop sha bop) ♪ ♪ ♪ alexa, play our favorite song again. ok. ♪ i only have eyes for you ♪ e ♪ i see trees of green ♪ ♪ red roses too ♪ ♪ i see them bloom for me and you ♪ (music) ♪ so i think to myself ♪ ♪ oh what a wonderful world ♪ lawmakers grilled the head of instagram on capitol hill. senators putting tough questions to the social media giant for hours. one lawmaker calling the company the new tobacco. here's cnn with more. >> reporter: self-policing depends on trust. the trust is gone. the head of instagram facing a disturbing picture of his platform especially among kids. >> you view the kids as a way for people to get into your product. have you not done things to get more teenagers interested in your product? are you not worried about losing them to other platforms? you better tell the truth. you're under oath. >> reporter: it is the latest round of tough questions for meta, formerly facebook, which owns instagram. >> shouldn't children and parents have the right to report dangerous material and get a response? >> senator, yes, i believe we fail to respond to all reports and if we do so, this is a mistake we should correct. >> reporter: since whistleblower leaked about the harms of the social media platform on young people, particularly teenage girls. >> facebook's internal research is aware there's a variety of problems facing children on instagram. they know that severe harm is happening to children. >> mosseri today pushing back. >> i firmly believe that instagram and that the internet more broadly can be a positive force in young people's lives. i also know that sometimes young people can come to instagram dealing with difficult things in their lives. i believe that instagram can help in those critical moments. >> reporter: the instagram boss being asked about research showing teenagers are easily able to find accounts advertising the sale of drugs like xanax. promoting the accounts to some leaders. >> accounts selling drugs or unrelated goods are not allowed on the platform. >> apparently they are. >> i don't think you can take one or two examples, and say this is indicative of what happens on the platform more broadly. >> reporter: mosseri pledging the company will do more to protect young users, it's too little too date, like ian, red cross -- ian russell. >> there was no sign of mental health before her death, and we couldn't work out what triggered it. >> reporter: he looked at his daughter's social media and was disturbed by what he saw on platforms including instagram. >> having a glimpse of what molly was exposed to, i think i now understand why she was pushed to do what she did. >> reporter: adding to the pressures on the social media giant recently a bipartisan group of state attorneys general, luggaaunch an investign into the harms on teens. meta claiming the allegations are false. don donee -- donie o'sullivan, cnn, new york. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ experience the power of sanctuary at the lincoln wish list event. space tourism has really taken off this year. on saturday, blue origin will launch its third mission to sub orbital space with six travelers, including abc news journalist, michael strahan. the last time the rocket flew in a mission to space, it took four crew members, including william shatner, the actor who the world knows as captain kirk in the star trek franchise. shatner in space is premiering on prime video next week. joining me now is the actor and now astronaut william shatner. we can put you in spatce, but te technologies won't let us connect properly to do the interview. >> in addition to all of that, i'm an electronics technician holding my camera at arm's length, trying to keep kate bolduan at arms length. >> you and every other man in america. >> i know. >> i do not think it is too bold to say that the world was captivated when you emerged from that capsule and spoke about your experience. >> it's pretty bold. >> it happened during our show, and i was -- it was riveting. i rewatched it after the show. it was amazing to see, truly, and you said then something that stuck with me, i hope i never recover from this. i hope that i can maintain what i feel now and i don't want to lose it. what did you want to hold on to? were you able to keep it? >> yeah, yes. and i've been able to segment what it was i was feeling. when i came out of that spaceship, i must have been relieved to step on to firm ground. that would be part of it. the other was i felt an overwhelming sadness up there when i saw the earth and how tiny the earth is. i mean, we say tiny, but when you can see the curvature from where you're standing and, realize one end connects to the other for a very short while, you realize it isn't just tiny, it's insignificant, and we are so insignificant. and the fact that we're -- my sadness came about by the knowledge of how much harm we're doing our earth and when i am able to think about it more, kate. here's the conclusion i've arrived at. it's terrible what we're doing to the earth and we need to fix it immediately. that's the general lesson, but it's also how insignificant the earth is, the planet is, compared to space and how incomparably insignificant we are on the planet, so there's this insignificant planet, with these insignificant beings on it, with one pause, and that is one consul, which is we're here observing how insignificant we are. and that's what our purpose is. to see the majesty of the universe, how precious this earth is that life has formed over 5 billion years, the beauty that is here and the ultimate message is we've got to stop polluting. >> and here you do it again. i have to say, your reaction and your description of your experience, and even just hearing it, i don't think it's too corn y to say i'm moved agan hearing you describe, and refeel it again. >> and that's what i mean when you say i hope you haven't lost it. that's exactly right. i haven't lost it. it's just, i've made it more particular. >> right after as we were watching this happen, your experience live, miles o'brien said it really perfectly, as you had described your experience. he said this is exactly why they should put people other than engineers, other than scientists up into space because you've described an experience in a way that other astronauts have not. i was wondering if you thought about who else as we look upon another mission going up, who else or what type of person you would like to have experience what you have. >> when i was asked to go up and i decided i would, i thought -- i didn't want to say the little blue planet, which is a cliche, i wanted to say something poe et c poetical, can you write me a sentence ilkd could say up ther. i was looking for help to memorialize, far beyond my capabilities so that it would be memorable in other people's minds, i never did contact anybody. i was spontaneously myself. engineers, astronauts are by training, most of them were at least, test pilots, and their training is suppress any emotion. cold hard facts, what are you doing, why is the airplane tilting this way, what can i do to -- what can i do to make this thing land and your total attention is on the technical stuff. only rarely did they look out the window and say oh, my god, it's a little blue planet. it's far more than that. the context of the earth and the universe is something that needs profundity. >> more william shatners, if i could say that. if i could be so bold to say that. >> it requires poetry. >> i have never been so angry that i do not have a second hour of television right now. i'm so thankful to have you come on. thank you for sharing your experience. thank you so much. "inside politics" with john king starts right now. hello, everybody, and welcome to "inside politics," i'm john king in washington. thank you for sharing a busy news day with us. important omicron news in the last hour. the fda says it's okay for 16 and 17-year-olds to get a vaccine booster shot, and omicron provides another giant covid question, will you soon need a fourth shot. new and breaking news this hour, a source confirming to cnn the new york attorney general wa

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