replace us. >> defendants here, some of them individuals, white nationalists, neo-nazis designated as hate groups. >> men who made themselves white power brands. richard spencer, matthew parrot and jason kessler spent a month in court for racially committed violence. they said they were exercising their right to free speech and self-defense. during the trial, some of the defendants sat down with me. so why did you say that charlottesville is a success? >> this is our speaker for the night. >> did you do it on purpose and do you feel bad about it? >> it would have been better if they [ bleep ] me and shut the [ bleep ] up. >> the alt left and right were fighting back. >> did you plan to follow the law in charlottesville? did the lawsuit push you out of the movement? >> it was absolutely essential to the propaganda strategy to look like a victim. >> the alt right stopped activism by wore out their usefulness because their views are main stream. >> looking back on charlottesville is remarkable it wasn't worse. >> you will not replace us! you will not replace us! you will not replace us! jews will not replace us! jews will not replace us! >> it was very clear it was a highly organized activity. like, this is a big organized movement. >> jews will not replace us! >> maybe two dozen kids around that statute trying to show some community resistance to organized racism . >> we own these streets! we occupy these grounds! we won! >> i think i was pretty enthose y -- enthusiastic that night. i thought wow things are exciting. >> it was the peak and end of the alt right. >> this courthouse is the home of the federal civil trial. it's against all the major organizers of the 2017 unite the right rally in charlottesville. it's the biggest consequence most of these guys have faced and it's not a criminal trial, it's a civil one. >> innocence like no matter what the verdict is you have already won because richard spencer said it was financially crippling. they don't hold public rallies anymore. whatever they might be doing behind the scenes, they're not able to get numbers in public. some have said they've been bankrupted. what do you think about that? >> people really need to understand that this is real. it's out there. that it allows people from all over the country and the world to organize in ways that were previously impossible and that is a real and present danger. >> just minutes ago we saw the first participants in today's unite the right rally arrive about 40 men and women in camouflage gear some with militia markings, virginia is an open carry state. >> the amount of guns, the type of guns, i mean, we weren't just talking about baby .22s and .9 glocks. so everything about that was just, it was so frightening. i thought it was going to be a blood bath. >> this is a historic victory for our people and we're moving out from the online space which we dominate and we're going to take over the real world. >> here to protest the removal of a statute of robert e. lee but to show they're more than an internet meme, they're a big real presence that can occupy a physical space. the alt right is very organized. they have a lot of numbers, shields, protective gear like helmets. we've seen tear gas, water bottles thrown. >> people were literally getting sm stomped in the ground to the left. hit with flags here. maced over here. i've never ever seen anything like this. >> it was crazy. >> so violent. >> it was like a civil war happening. >> on a saturday morning. >> on a saturday morning. >> we're following breaking news out of virginia. the governor has declared a state of emergency in charlot charlottesville. >> all day like i knew that something would happen but you couldn't pay me to believe that it would have been a car. i really would have thought it would have been something with a gun. ♪ ♪ >> our streets! our streets! >> i don't know how many people are hurt but there are people on the ground being treated by medics. there is many people on the side injured, too. it's a really horrific sound. >> it was too unreal to even -- i couldn't believe what i saw. >> we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry on many sides. >> i don't think it's ever been about a statute. i think it's been about right is right and wrong is wrong. >> james fields junior will likely spend the rest of his life in prison after being sentenced tuesday in the char charlottesville car attack. he rammed his vehicle into a crowd of counter protesters at a white supremacist rally killing heather heyer. the jury returned a verdict of life and 419 years after four hours of deliberations. the same jury convicted fields of first-degree murder. >> the internet gave these guys the ability to organize in a way they've never been able to before but that turned into evidence because they left behind an enormous trail of receipts and some memes are about running protesters over with cars. what do you know? two months later james alex fields actually does it. why is this a civil case instead of a criminal case? >> in 2017 jeff sessions was leading the department of justice, and it was very clear to many people that the doj at that time was not going to pursue civil right the work with the enthusiasm ys mit deserves s private plaintiffs, what our plaintiffs can bring is a civil lawsuit and they did using the ku klux klan act, which is an 151-year-old statute to protect against the racially motivated violent conspiracies we saw here four years ago. >> one of the nine plaintiffs is liz signs who says fields' car almost hit her. >> i'll never forget watching them attack my fellow students or the feeling of running for my life. >> another plaintiff is natalie. she was hit by fields' car causing a skull fracture and concussion. thomas baker thought he would die and still has hip pain. pa ma marcus martin seen here in midair, his leg was broke and couldn't work for nine months. >> a lot of pain. a lot to cope with. >> what makes this case so interesting is that it brings the concept of enincitement int the internet age saying an entire group of people should be expelled from the country or killed sooner or later isn't another political debate like marginal tax rates. it's harassment. did anybody say don't do this? 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>> charlottesville? >> the whole movement itself. did you do it on purpose or did you not care? >> i didn't create the movement? you named it and became the face of it. >> i was trying to unite everything where it would be simply me and it would have been better if they had [ bleep ] bent the knee and shut the [ bleep ] up. >> wow. >> the whole 2016, 2017 experience was quite something, wasn't it? i was making headlines every week. trump was also reaching people online and the alt right became an advertising wing and the alt right's anonymous i am not anonymous if i dare say so, i think i'm interesting. >> you mean you were a symbol of a broader movement that didn't have a face? >> exactly, yeah. and people could kind of freak out and love to hate me and maybe hate to love me. >> are you a virgin of the neo nazi movement. >> there was the punch of 2017 when political violence hits back and it was almost like the alt right were fighting back so you have go punch that goldie locks or whatever. i feel like i was attached to all these people that want to come hang out in the alt right and yeah, i just was too old. i was slumming. i don't know. >> did you think there would be any consequences to your slumming? >> to my slumming with those guys? >> to your word. >> did i predict this? no. i feared there was going to be some kind of violence at a lot of those rallies. that was becoming present. i think i under estimated about a lot of people. i think a lot of people wanted to be me. one of the big things the alt right was i want to be spencer. i want to be in the headlines. it created a tremendous amount of jealousy. >> so you knew you would attract attention if you went to this rally? >> to charlottesville? >> uh-huh. >> yeah. and i wanted attention. yeah. it was just kind of almost like a concert tour or something. >> spencer is here. this is our speaker for the night. this is why we're here, everybody. >> we own these streets! we occupy these grounds! >> did you plan to follow the law in charlottesville? >> i did follow the law. i don't know what to say. did i plan to follow the law? what do you mean. >> if you're willing to be arrested, you're going to get arrested. >> all right. >> we have a permit for this. we're staying 100%. there is no way i'm leaving. >> a few days before the rally, before your permit for the park was reinstated, you told me if it wasn't reinstated you guys would march the park anyway and try to get arrested. >> hmmm. i don't remember saying that, but what's your point? >> that one, you were planning the rally, the spectacle and two, you were planning to disobey the city orders. >> i was planning charlottesville because of that thing that i told you? >> you were certainly planning part of it. >> elle, this is just nonsense. you're trying to press me and press me and press me until i say something like yeah, i did charlottesville and we won in the violence, yeah. that's what it was all about because i'm a sick freak. give me a break elle. >> i am coming back here every [ bleep ] weekend if i have to. like this is never over. i win. that's how the world [ bleep ] works. they get ruled by people like me . i'll probably never live down this rant from that day of i rule the [ bleep ] world and whatever. >> yeah, people like you look up at faces like me. >> yeah. we know what i'm talking about. okay? i felt like at that moment everything was kind of closing in. after charlottesville went in the way it went, there was no way to transfigure this moverment. it was about computer programmers and basement dwellers or whatever. it was like there was this energy and opportunity around trump where it can be transformed into something i want and certainly after charlottesville, that was impossible. >> this is what happens when you really, truly unite the right. >> at the end of the day, unite the right means putting me next to azmodore who is disgusting and gross. i hate -- i don't like ugly, stupid freaks. it should have always just simply been about richard spencer. >> i'm not going home. i looked back on all of it and i kind of cringe a little bit. there was maybe some good aspects of it but a lot of things i regret. looking back on charlottesville, i think it's remarkable that it wasn't worse in terms of casualties to be honest. >> so what exactly do you regret? >> it's a big question. the problem is we don't have time machines and talking about them is just kind of speculative. >> so you can't name one thing you regret? >> well, what could i have done that could have, say, i guess you could say that not only would i have not agreed to go to charlottesville but i would have tried to stop charlottesville and heather heyer would be alive today. outside of that, of shutting down the whole thing and -- which is probably something i could not have actually done. >> you said you had many regrets. can you name one of them? >> yes. i regret -- i ultimately regret being a part of that whole crowd. all of that juvenile ironic nazi humor is so over. and i cringe when i even think about it now. >> i think i said this a couple times but you have said you have regrets. >> uh-huh. >> but every time i ask you to explain those regrets. >> i have if pexplained them. >> it's framed in terms of i was hanging out -- >> i made those decisions -- >> with losers. >> i made those decisions. >> you're like i let myself get dragged down by this filth but those were your people. those are your guys. >> do you want me to go -- >> why don't you take responsibility for them. >> i have. >> if they wanted to be you and went into the street and beat people up, what does that say to you? >> you seem to just want to -- your entire point here is to prove that i'm a piece of and accept it. i'm not here to be insulted. maybe when someone is honest and expresses regret, you should probably allow them to do that as opposed to jumping on their [ bleep ] back. you know? >> do you regret injecting such explicit intense racism into the american politics? >> i did not inject that in there. if anything, i injected an ideology that could, you know, articulate something that's already there. 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>> i left the movement because i didn't believe in it anymore. >> did the lawsuit push you out of the movement? >> no. >> i don't think anybody changes their whole entire life because they've been sued. >> well, one of the interesting things about the alt right it's trying to appear like upper class and i was wondering if that's a contrast to what is your experience. >> the alt right is fluid and changing all the time. it's -- i don't just mean like oh, edgy memes and fashion haircuts and that sort of thing. different people only the alt right look down upon the working class and that was very different than the movement like especially in the '90s. >> and did those more moderate groups want to use the more hard right groups as the muscle. >> the hard right groups like the nsm, we were in the streets all those years when there was nobody in the streets. the alt right probably would have liked to control the hard right groups and use them as muscle. this is, you know, we're the elite and we're going to control everything from the alt right proserspective and the hard rig groups will protect us. >> i've been covering the white power movement since 2015. when people think of racist, they think of skin heads and beat people up. this new breed of racists is like nerds on the internet. people who were very smart and tech savvy able to act anonymously but as like a -- why did you say that charlottesville is a success afterwards? >> because the most important thing is raising awareness about the issues. >> you didn't even get to give a single speech. it was cancelled before it began. >> right, part of the national conversation about the importance of maintaining historical monuments that did happen. >> everyone paid attention to it because someone got murdered. >> the community defended ourselves against thugs in a battle that was brought by this city that wanted a blood bath. >> so you had to testify in court today but you guys wore black uniforms in part because it concealed blood. >> it's actually good reason. it that number one, that doesn't really -- if you're wearing a white polo shirt -- >> it's not how i usually plan my outfits. >> you aren't usually attacked by hordes of anti faceous -- >> matt is represented by smith. he's a holocaust denier despite being raised jewish himself. >> let's go. >> another deposition that was played, there was a man posting with the discord user name tyrone in the discord chat server used to plan unite the right. his real name is michael chesnee. he was questioned at length about his post. >> you met multiple times with a guy that goes by tyrone michael chesnee that posted repeatedly about running protesters over with their cars literally saying i'm not posting, i'm asking is it legal to run protesters over with cars. >> i don't like michael chesnee. >> you met him multiple times. >> did you think to say, don't talk like that. some idiot kit will take your seriously? >> the media wants to find the young men making jokes that are a middle finger to folks like yourself that are so -- >> of course it can be that. but you can also mean it. when did you become anti say met t -- antis-semitic? >> 34. >> oh. >> not that long ago comparatively to my life. i've been conservative, right? my exposure to people on twitter that we're making a lot of sense. there was a meme actually. this one says it's impossible to round up 11 million people and ship them somewhere you stupid consecutive and this guy says why are you denying the h holocaust? it's easy to sell this. >> how does your family feel about you going so far? >> i don't talk about politics much with my parents at all. >> the holocaust isn't like politics. >> they can't talk about that. people have a blind spot for it, jews especially have a blind spot for it. >> are you both on twitter still? >> i am. >> what? >> yeah, yo u u can't stop me. >> there is a group called traditionalests workers party with his buddy matt parrot. parrot was the tech guy behind the scenes. >> i've been kicked off twitter i think three times now, maybe four. i come back each time as a middle-aged black businesswoman. if you come back and immediately friend a bunch of white natio nationalists, they're on to that. >> they know. >> the algorithm checks that. if i'm talking to other middle-aged black women, the algorithm can't figure that out and you're constantly playing a game of chicken with increasingly sophisticated and intrusive algorithms trying to hunt us. >> that's intrue ssive. >> it's a game. new vicks convenience pack. dayquil severe for you... and daily vicks super c for me. vicks super c is a daily supplement with vitamin c and b vitamins to help energize and replenish. dayquil severe is a max strength daytime, coughing, power through your day, medicine. new from vicks. when love finds us, this is how we shine. 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absolutely. i think we have to definitely put out a message that you cannot come here and you can't do that. >> building up there was this like increasing amounts of like street fights and the like main street opinion is that's political opinion and then charlottesville happened and it's like, oh no, it is not just another political opinion and this is just about vie listens. >> i think it look the events that happened in washington. i think if the insurrection never would have happened we wouldn't have a victory here. i'm a firm believe in free speech. however free speech ends and shuts down when violence first occurred. >> the backlash from charlottesville crushed the alt-right but not white power itself. >> the right decision was made but we have so much work to do in the local government, our state government and federal government. >> all the defendants in the case are destitute. none have money. >> will you try to reduce the damages? >> yeah. we have to make a motion. >> there's also a lot of talk about whether any of this money, right, will actually be seen. >> the punitive damages were really high. the supreme court said that ratio has to be smaller and possible the judge will lower the damages on that claim. >> it doesn't take much to bankrupt a person like me. >> what will you do now? >> somebody of my means i don't have $500,000 for the plaintiffs even if i would like to so i suppose there's a wage g garnishment. >> i did lose my job last week which was fun. >> where were you working? what happened? >> i was enjoying working under the golden arches. >> did the co-workers say i didn't know up a professional racist? >> the modern equivalent 0 of a witch is being a white nationalist. >> you left, right? >> i have. no there's no expiration for how long your life will be ruined. >> so what happens if you lose this lawsuit? >> well, what immediately happens is i would appeal and if you don't appeal depends on what the actual judgment amount is. and i don't know. maybe a life of bankruptcy. >> do you have money? >> i don't have much money personally but i'll be okay. i'm not scared. they can do whatever they want. it's not going to change my life or my lifestyle, so yeah. >> so this is never looked up. >> this started it all. the lee statue. the mayhem. this is what wreaked havoc in charlottesville. the robert e. lee statue. >> the notorious statue hoisted away why the end of a long and bloody battle for a city grappling with how to tell the nation's story. >> i'm glad he's gone and part is like the issue is bigger than a statue because you can remove all the statues in the world but if the systems stay the same then it's against black folk. i'm glad he is gone and not sitting on the high horse anymore because we weren't at the table when they created this stuff but even if you still have people that believe in the systems that led us to being where we were august 12th. the following is a cnn special report. >> multiple capitol injuries. multiple capitol injuries. >> an assault on democracy. >> the capitol has been breached. >> an attack on the capitol, fueled by a president's lies. >> this election was stolen. >> trump wanted the crowd to turn into a mob. >> inspired by a delusion, an enraged mob of true believers attempting insurrection. >> you are a traitor. >> we were in a medieval battle. >> trump's soldiers. >> there is a sea of nothing but red, white, and blue. patriots of trump. >> trump's true believers. >> i feel like he was anointed by god. >> i don't think joe biden is the president. >> new exclusive interviews. >> the sound surrounded us but then once they started banging on the door, that's all i heard. >> new details. >> overran the capitol. >> i never dreamed that he would ever do anything like that. >> new denials. >> you call january 6th a peaceful protest? >> i do. >> and why it's not over. >> in fact, it is just getting started.