a year ago about all the violations that mr. belter is committing in his probation. you need to consider that. the judge read it. he read my email in the courtroom. he said i want to have a hearing on whether he violated probation. then to everyone's, i don't know, i don't know if the word delight could apply to this situation, the prohibition officer said, yes, he did violate the terms of probation. yes, he installed something to allow him to circumvent the pornography restrictions, yes, he violated judge sheldon's terms. and the judge said, well, i am not going to sentence him as a youthful offender, i will sentence him as an adult. that was the clear signal that chris belter was going to get prison time, which he so researchly deserves. and then when the judge said, i prayed over this and prison, incarceration is not the right thing in this case. well, i don't know what the right thing is. i don't know if the judge -- what he's telling people. the parents and family of victims, do you need to take justice in your own hands? we depend upon the courts to do that. and the court system ardently failed these victims. >> we appreciate you talking with us about this case. we'll continue to follow it. thank you. . >> thank you. "new day" continues right now. ♪ welcome to our viewers in the united states and around the world. i'm john berman with brianna keilar. it is thanksgiving eve. americans are ready to travel like it's 2019. millions loading up their cars, piling into planes to gather with family and friends after a pandemic put thanksgiving traditions on because. crowds expected to be near prepandemic levels. the holiday crush putting airlines and airports to the test. the tsa expects to screen 20 million passengers nationwide the next 10 days or so. >> the day before thanksgiving typically one of the busiest of the year. aaa says 53 million people will be on the move over this long holiday weekend. the majority of them are going to be on the road. they are going to have to dig a little deeper. gas prices of course at their highest in seven years. but that is not stopping them. >> cnn's pete muntean live at a travel plaza along busy i-95 in maryland. you have been manning that post, pete, for some time now. tell us what you're seeing. >> reporter: well, it's getting pretty busy here, john. we will see how smooth i-95 remains for the rest of the day. we know the vast majority will drive for this thanksgiving holiday. 48 million people hitting the road. what's so interesting is those numbers really not all that far out from where we were back before the pandemic. the new numbers down 3%. remember, though, that gas is at a seven-year high. the national average now $3.40 a gallon. that's down only about $1.30 -- excuse me, up, from where we were this time last year. so, remember, the traffic is back. the cost is back. and what's so interesting is that aaa says people are still going to hit the road regardless. these are the best and worst times to travel. aaa says the best time to travel is not until well into the effect, after 9:00 p.m. the worst time generally across the country again noon and 8:00 p.m. today. the maryland transportation authority responsible for this stretch of i-95 between wilmington and baltimore, it says you will have to wait a long time for rask to get good, after 11:00 p.m. tonight. >> that's late. you might not have traffic but you have a whole bunch of other problems to worry about. pete, you make it sound so attractive. please keep us posted. everyone wants to know if they can get to where they want to quickly and safely. so thank you. >> here in about 90 minutes, a jury in brunswick, georgia, will resume deliberations in the trial of three men accused of murdering ahmaud arbery. the attorney for one defendant, roddie bryan, said his client was more of a witness than a killer and the video showed the case move ahead. this is the same attorney, mind you, kevin gough, who wanted black pastors banned from the courtroom, who equated them with the klan. chris cuomo confronting him overnight. >> why do you believe the jury should not hold your client as responsible as the other two men? >> well, you know, i don't really want to get into the details or try and summarize an hour and 45 minute closing argument. but, you know, the question here is when did roddie bryan know that the mcmichaels were armed. when did roddie bryan know that they intended to shoot mr. arbery? and at that point what could mr. bryan have done about it. those were the three questions that i asked repeatedly. and we're still waiting for answers on that. >> why are you trying to make this so intensely personal about ahmaud arbery? why bring up black pastors and their presence and what you know is a public accommodation being in this courtroom and you don't have a say of who comes and who doesn't come and observe? why make that point? why do you think about pastors in terms of black and white? >> i don't think of pastors in terms of black and white. and let's be clear, if you were in that courtroom sitting in my chair, representing roddie bryan, you would be doing exactly the same thing. . >> no, i wouldn't. . >> if it helps -- if it helps you to make that point, you can be. but if you were sitting there you would be doing exactly the same thing. >> no, i wouldn't. >> as would any lawyer in america. >> no i wouldn't. to say i don't want black i in the gallery? >> i'm sorry. i didn't say that. we have no problem with black people in the gallery. never did, never will. >> black pastors. >> do the homework. >> black pastors. >> millions of americans across this country are looking to you to understand these proceedings. why don't you take the time and actually help them? why don't you read the motions, why don't you read the supreme court cases from the united states supreme court that they cited? >> that say -- >> explain that to the american people why the opinion of supreme court justice. >> counselor. >> -- doesn't matter in this case because we think it is. >> the saying a lot is not the same as saying something that matters. you can in flood the zone. the interview doesn't end. >> we can agree on that. >> there is no supreme court case that says you can make a determination who can be in the gallery watching a trial based on race. you and i both know that. you confused jesse jackson with al sharpton. and it seemed at a minimum a fit of ignorance and at maximum you making a race play in this trial. were you not doing that? >> chris, you can call me -- chris, you can call me ignorant. you can call me anything you want. but i'm here representing roddie bryan and i'm going to defend my client to the best of my ability. and i don't really care whether the people in the cheap seats like it or not. >> joining me now alexis hogue, assistant professor of law and charles f. coleman jr. former new york prosecutor. professor, is the defense counsel right? would any attorney do what he did, try to get black pastors thrown out of the courtroom? >> i think we're in the cheap seats. >> we're commenting from the cheap seats. there are model rules of professional conduct that say you cannot engage in racial discrimination. and so this idea that somehow he is zealously representing his atlanta by saying black pastors shouldn't be in the courtroom is not any credence that i adhere to as a defense attorney. and i wholeheartedly do not agree with that. what chris mentioned last night about this idea of a public right trials, and this is part of the anglo american tradition of a judicial system need to be public. there is a fundamental problem. black pastors have a right to be inside of a courtroom. . >> your view? >> well, what we have been talking about was completely confirmed with his antics. he is not concerned with anything other than trying to speak to that jury. but it is also confirming to me that he believes on some level his antics are going to resonate with that jury. whether that's something getting pack to the jury in terms of being leaked, the overall environment, this circus of an environment that he created with remarks around black pastors. he has banked on, in terms of his client's freedom, with something that he is going to try to do will resonate with the jury. what he said, i'm not concerned with anybody else besides trying to get my client a fair trial and get him off. soebls it will be effective. >> one thing mark o'mara told us is he believes the prosecution might be saying the same thing in the jury. the prosecutor has consistently made choices not to make this as much about race. >> exactly. and what you have here is a 12-member jury with 11 white people and one black man. and my understanding is that in glynn county, the community is approximately 27% black. and so you have already a jury pool that the jurors were drawn from that is underrepresentative. once you had jury selection, the judge admit that he believed it was involved in racial vi discrimination but would allow the jury to be seated. the prosecution is from cobb county, another area of georgia, that seated the people before him. they're thinking what kind of case can i put on? they avoided discussing race until closing arguments. they didn't make any characterization that the defendants viewed ahmaud as inherently dangerous and inherently criminal, even though that clearly isn't a case that the prosecution made. >> you know, john, from the outset of this trial, i was the one who said race was the 13th juror in this case. i had the conversation with mark last night. and i was the one who made the point that i feel like it's the prosecution who said, wait a minute, maybe we don't want to push on this issue because it could offend some of the jurors. while the defense is going full throttle, not shying away from it. that says a lot about the demographic we're talking about, about our national discourse on race. it is a very interesting thing to observe that the prosecution has really tried to walk a tightrope while invoking themes around white privilege, white entitlement with regard to their summation and rebuttal. but they haven't gone all the way in terms of talking about race. >> your least favorite question. verdict today? >> they deliberated for five years. ooh. it's before thanksgiving. i think they will get there. >> very possible. two words. >> thank you both very much. happy thanksgiving to both of you. >> likewise. >> you too, john. house lawmakers describing a toxic and hostile environment. and new doorbell video shows the arrest of the suspect in the parade. armageddon. it's happening. kind of. if it does, we will be ready. what nasa is doing right now to try to throw an asteroid off its path so it doesn't obliterate all of us in the future. so, who's it going to be? tom? could be danny. guess it's on maggie. should we have another one? talk to us about retirement today. feel comfortable about tomorrow. massmutual. this is the new world of work. each day looks different than the last. but whatever work becomes... the servicenow platform will make it just, flow. whether it's finding ways to help you serve your customers, orchestrating a safe return to the office... wait. an office? what's an office? 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>> reporter: the nasa d.a.r.t. mission is using something called kinetic deflection. that is the scientific way of saying it is a kamikaze mission to smash an asteroid and push it off course. >> if it is successful and if we had a real inbound killer asteroid, we could do that with it and it would miss us. >> it will take the d.a.r.t. 10 months to reach its target. it is about the seize of the pyramid of giza in egypt. nasa says it will not create a dangerous debris field like last week's test of a russian satellite weapon. >> it is creating an explosion and a debris field way out, millions of miles in space where it is not harming anything. >> nasa wants to make it very clear that this is just a test, that dart's target asteroid poses no threat to earth. and there is no other asteroid out there that does either. it is likely only a matter of time before that happens. just in case, nasa went ahead and invited bruce willis to the launch last night. they wanted him to be there just in case something went wrong. . >> come on, bruce. >> it is thanksgiving week. he probably had other things to do. >> we're only talking about saving the world. we will bring in professor of astrophysics at the university of rofpest and author of "the light of the stars, alien worlds and the fate of the earth." we have a lot of fun with this, but it boils down to something that is serious, planetary defense. >> i like that there is even an office of planetary defense at nasa. i want to go hang out there. . >> what is this doing for the future? tell us what the goal is here and what they're trying to learn and how far this is from being operational. >> the thing is we have only known about the danger that asteroids pose to us for the last 50, 60 years when we recognized the dinosaurs had been wiped out by aft recognized. and there's lots out there. we have only found maybe close to half the ones that are dangerous to us, 150 meters across. we don't know how to deflect them, how to blow them up, how to drag them out of their orbit. so this is a test. this is the first time we're try ig to deploy some technology to see whether or not we could just gently push an asteroid off of it's trajectory when it is many millions of miles away from earth. by getting to it early, we could push it out of an orbit that would have it slam into the earth. this is a technology test. we are seeing whether the basic idea works. >> why be so gentle? if an asteroid is coming to earth, i don't think you have to be so kind. and my research, including armageddon the film and deep impact, the choice seems to be drill into the asteroid. why is that not being considered here? >> the problem is you don't really want to blow something up. when you blow it up, you are creating a debris field, a bunch of smaller chunks of rock, also going to hit you. so the best thing you can possibly do is to just, using this kind of we're going to throw something at it, and knock it off the trajectory it's on. if you get it far enough away, by the time it gets towards the earth, the earth is not where it originally -- or the asteroid will not be in the crosshairs of the earth. blowing things up is a bad idea. gently pushing them out of the way or getting to them early. there is nothing gentle about this. it is coming in and will hit about 15,000 miles per hour. but the idea is to get there early. because if you don't get there early, you know, it's going to be much more difficult. and there's much more danger. either you won't be able to deflect it. or if you try to do the bruce willis thing, it will blow up into a bunch of chunks. >> i do see some plot holes in that movie as you were revealing it. in addition to the many others that we have seen. . >> yes. >> so i also want to talk about the run time here. the movie "armageddon" was long. it was two and a half hours of brilliance. this is going to take forever, adam. >> because it's so far away. that's exactly the point. you've got to get there before you're surprised, right. and that's what nasa -- one of the missions of the director for planetary defense is to actually identify all of these things. so there's -- we think there is probably 27,000 near earth aft recognized that will pose a potential danger to us. the first thing you have to do is find them. which is hard because 150 meters across, that is about a football field size or so. 5 million miles away. good luck finding that. so step one, find them all. step two, characterize their or bits, figure out which ones that are going to target the earth. and then you've got to get out there and do this gaffe taeugzal tweaking, orbit tweaking long beforehand. you've got to send something all the way out there. then it will take a while to detect whether you really change the orbit. it is a bill kwrapbt thing they are doing here, using a binary asteroid, two aft recognized orbiting each other, slamming into one of them, that way they can detect whether the orbit has changed. if you tried to hit something that was solo, how could you tell if you changed the orbit or not? you are changing it a couple centimeters a second. there is nothing to compare it against. using the binary is super, super smart. >> it is amazing how life imitates art, if you can call "armageddon" art. >> i like "deep impact" better. scientifically it was better. >> i was going to say you should say one more thing because this is the last time you'll be on the show since you like "deep impact" better. >> you're done. i just want to say people should recognize what's interesting approximate this is even having this mission kind of shows the big transition that humanity is going through where where we are growing up. this is humanity's maturation. we are a mature enough space faring species to pay attention to long-term dangers that come from space. so this is like, you know, when you become 27 you're like, oh, i've got to pay insurance? this is a pretty important mission in that way. >> and it only cost $300 million, which is nothing compared to most space suspicions. >> good stuff. >> and it's nothing compared to losing the entire east coast to an asteroid. so there you go. >> all right. happy thanksgiving. >> it was great knowing you, adam. you actually have a lot of company with the "deep impact" opinion. it's fine. we'll still talk. we just might need a little space. thank you so much. we do have brand-new reporting from capitol hill. why lawmakers on both sides are calling their work environment toxic. chilling new video of the man accused of killing six people by barreling his suv through a christmas parade. what he did immediately following the carnage. to run a growing business, is to be on a journey. and along the ride, you'll have many questions. challenges. and a few surprises. ♪ but wherever you are on your journey. your dell technologies advisor is here for you - with the right tech solutions. so you can stop at nothing for your customers. our retirement plan with voya, keeps us moving forward. hey, kevin! hey, guys! they have customized solutions to help our family's special needs... giving us confidence in our future... ...and in kevin's. voya. well planned. well invested. well protected. ♪ [laughing and giggling] (woman) hey dad. miss us? (vo) reflect on the past, celebrate the future. season's greetings from audi. new cnn reporting that lawmakers on both sides of the aisle say capitol hill is a toxic work environment wrought with bitter exchanges, animosity and threats with the end result that what needs to get done simply doesn't. cnn's lauren fox is with us now. i know, lauren, you spoke with a dozen house members, democrats and republicans, on this. i think from the outside we all look at congress and it looks like a mess. it's not always the case that they feel that way on the inside. but now they do. >> exactly. they feel like this is very personal. a big turning point obviously january 6th when not just an insurrection happened in their workplace. but a lot of democrats say they came back in that evening to certify a free and fair election and there were l 130 house republicans who voted against that certification. after that moment, many democrats said they started to feel less safe in their work environment and started to feel like it was so hard to move beyond what they viewed as a personal attack on the country and on the institution they all serve. and sherry bustos, who is going to retire, said it is a big reason why she will not run for re-election. she was standing on the steps of the house of the representatives. she said i give five pieces of advice, one being don't take things too personally. she said this is personal and it is hard for me to move on, which is part of the reason why i am not seeking re-election. you also have just the level of decor up has changed on the fl floor. last week they had someone go down and call a group of people the jihad squad. >> congresswoman bobbert referred to us as the jihad squad on the house floor. what that does is inspires and empowers people who want to do us harm to go and do that harm. not just myself, but i have been with other members of the house, with the security detail you would think they were president. and she is on the house floor spewing jihad squad. yes, i feel safe but it is incredibly concerning she is speaking this way. and we have to respond to that in some way. >> in the course of my reporting, i was on the phone with john garramendi. you could hear his wife saying, yes, they are as bad. i said i would love to talk to your work. what she is telling me she communicates with other spouses. she is involved. she said she has never seen members's families so afraid for not just their members but families at large when they are back in their districts. what happens here, the kinds of words they use, they really impact how members can live their lives. this is a hard job. it is not to say that members should, you know, feel like they are in a position where it's not just the legislating that's hard. it's about the safety and just feeling like going to work is getting harder and harder. >> i think about the brain drain that happens. you have good people who want to serve and say i'm not going to do that. i'm not going to put my family through it. it's terrible. >> lauren, thank you so much for your excellent and comprehensive reporting. so the death toll rising to six in the christmas parade tragedy in waukesha, wisconsin. 8-year-old jackson sparks died from injuries he suffered when the vehicle plowed through the parade route. the suspect appearing as a chilling new video captured his arrest. cnn'smar jimenez. >> or there not words to describe the risk that this defendant presents to our community. >> reporter: after being accused of killing six and injuring 60 others, 39-year-old darryl brooks makes his initial court appearance. >> i have not seen anything like this in my very long career. >> reporter: he was charged with five counts of first-degree intentional homicide. but prosecutors say a sixth is coming. >> i wish to notify the court, sadly, today we learned of another death of a child. >> reporter: and there's new video of the moments -- >> whoa, whoa, whoa. >> reporter: -- police found and arrested the 39-year-old brooks on the front porch of 29-year-old daniel ryder, who had no idea what had just happened at the waukesha christmas parade about a mile away. >> he at one point said there was a sked me what was happenin. >> i caught an uber. i'm supposed to be waiting over here. can you call, please. >> reporter: not long after, ryder says he saw police going up and down the street and felt it had to do with brooks. so he told him to leave. moments later -- >> my i.d. >> reporter: so i'm looking for his i.d. moments later the police see him and get him in cuffs. i had no idea. the uber showed up a minute after he was in cuffs. i just think if he had gotten in that car what could have happened. >> before driving his car through the parade, brooks was involved in a domestic disturbance earlier sunday. he has a criminal history going back to the '90s. in july 20th, he was accused of firing a handgun during an argument. in february of this year, he was released on bail. less than nine months later, he allegedly ran over a woman who claimed she is the mother of his child, with his car. nine days later, he was released on $1,000 bail. less than two weeks before the christmas parade. milwaukee county district attorney's office called that bail amount inappropriately low. he had an outstanding arrest warrant in an unrelated case in nevada, where he is a registered sex offender. meanwhile, a community is try ig to heal, mourning the six that were killed and processing loved ones that nearly added to the toll. and there are still others recovering in the hospital this morning. as some even improve. a firefighter's son who was marching with his high school band is now out of the icu but with a long road to recovery after having gone surgery to repair a broken femur. he rarely looked up and was oftentimes seen swaying back and forth in his seat. he faces five counts of first-degree intentional homicide. prosecutors promise a sixth. if found guilty, he would face six consecutive life sentences. omar jimenez, cnn, waukesha, wisconsin. >> our thanks to omar for that report. as he mentioned, he was released just days before the parade by posting $1,000 cash bail, which the d.a. says was inappropriately low. an issue that has had bipartisan support, bail reform. >> this is someone who belongs in prison. after all this talk, the latest of which you just mentioned, with radicals from new york and elsewhere calling for the end of prison, end of cash bail, this is outrageous. people like this need to be protected from the public. it's an absolute breakdown. >> the end of prison, end of bail are two completely different issues. joining me now is elie honig, former federal and state prosecutor who was heavily involved in the overhaul of the bail system in new jersey. first, elie, people look at this and say this guy paid 1,000 bucks to get out for what appeared to be violent expenses. >> this is a broken cash bail system in wisconsin, and many other states, with prosecutorial malpractice. in wisconsin, every defendant is entitled to cash bail. even now. darryl brooks, now that he has killed six people, has cash bail. if he was healthy, he could pay it and get out of jail. they base bail on wealth. can you post the money. a better system is to base it on risk. obviously high-risk offender can get locked up without bail. their comment, saying it was inappropriately low, that is the understatement of the century. he has a criminal record to the '90s, registered sex offender, he gets arrested for firearm offense, are he leased on $500 bail. and then gets arrested and they up it to 1,000. >> there hasn't been meaningful bail reform as far as i know in wisconsin. >> exactly. >> it's not one of the states that has had it. the reason behind bail reform are what? . >> there are two legitimate purposes. one to make sure they come back to court and doesn't flee. and to protect the public. after we changed it in new jersey, you can go in front of a judge as a prosecutor and say this person, darryl brooks, is too dangerous. based on his criminal record, based on the fact that he has warrants out for him now, based on the fact that he tried to run someone over nine days ago. and he needs to be locked up. no cash bail. doesn't matter if he's wealthy. he needs to be locked up. no cash bail, period. >> most, at least many, bail reform advocates, what they argue for is if you have -- if you're charged with violent offenses is no bail. you don't get released no matter what. that's how bail reform works. it is arguing for nonviolent, usually low-level drug offenses. >> in new jersey, we went from cash bail like wisconsin to violent offenders. they get locked up, can't pay their way out. there are mind boggling numbers of low risk, nonviolent offenders who are stuck in prison because they can't post minimal bail. 12% of our entire incarcerated population were locked up, not yet convicted because they could not post $2500 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