hello and welcome to "inside politics." i'm john king in washington. thank you for sharing your day with pus. a court gives donald trumps the delay he onces, the insurrection committee threatens the former chief of staff with contempt an the former president embraces the january 6th rioters who threatened the life of his vice president. >> hang mike pence. >> it's common sense, john, it's common sense, that you're supposed to protect -- if you know a vote is fraught fraudulent, how can you pass on a fraudulent vote to congress? >> plus, new reporting out this hour reveals a split among house progress sivssives over how to deal with joe manchin. time runs out on a global climate summit. a failure to strike a deal means a not far away of pain, the end of life as we know it. we begin with the january 6th committee no show. the former trump white house chief of staff ignored a 10:00 a.m. deadline to appear before the committee. meadows will likely face a contempt of congress vote. it's another test of the committee's power to force cooperation, a challenge that also includes a court showdown with the form president himself, cnn legal affairs corners paula reed is live with it latest. >> this is a dramatic escalation in negotiations between the house select committee and mark meadows. in just the past 24 hour, as the former chief of staff defied a deadline to show four a deposition today. earlier this week the biden white house informed meadows it would not assert privilege to protect him from requests from lawmakers investigating january 6th. meadows' legal team has made it clear he has no intention of cooperating until the court's rule on former president trump's claims of privilege in this investigation. meadows' attorney said in a statement, legal disputes are appropriately resolved by courts. it would be irresponsible for mr. meadows to prematurely resolve that dispute by voluntarily waiving privileges at the heart of the legal issues. but, the committee notes there are a lot of matters they are asking him about which would not be covered by privilege even if he had it, like questions about his personal cell phone and e-mail use. so lawmakers urged him to show up and raise privilege on any questions where it could be relevant. but instead, he is defyings the subpoena entirely. the committee and trump are in court fighting over whether lawmakers should have access to trump white house records related to january 6th. a lower court judge sided with the committee, concluding as a former president trump does not have power to keep records secret when the current president, biden, wants them released. trump appealed that decision and the case will be heard by the d.c. court of appeals and trump scored a minor victory when the court at least agreed to grant him a brief delay in handing over some of these disputed documents which would have begun going to the committee today. argument on that historic case will be heard on november 30th. >> wait a little bit for a resolution of that. appreciate kicking us off with the latest. >> with me in studio, cnn's lauren fox, jackie kucinich and our legal affair analyst carrie cordero. the legal challenge in a minute. if you need more evidence of why it is important for the committee to get those trump records that are at dispute in the extifl privilege case, what was the president doing in the days before january 6th and that very day, was he picking up the phone, trying to help, worried about his vice president? remember this outside of the capitol on that day. >> hang mike pence. >> listen to this. this is the former president of the united states in an interview with jonathan karl of abc news as part of a book project saying i understand that. >> were you worried about him during that siege? were you worried about his sa safety? >> no. i thought he was well protected and heard he was in very good shape. but no -- >> you heard those chant, those were terrible. >> he could have -- the people were very angry. >> hang mike pence. >> it's common sense, john, that you're supposed to protect -- if you know a vote is fraudulent, right, how can you pass on a fraudulent vote to congress. >> common sense. common sense to have violent outrage against the sitting vice president of the united states, despite whatever anger you might have, whether you think it's legitimate or not with the election results, really? that to me, if you want to understand the mission of this committee to find out exactly what the president then, the president knew in the days leading up to this and in the hours as that was playing out, there's your reason for it right there. >> who was informing him? of that my first -- he said oh, i was getting information. i was being told that he was okay. who was talking to him? even like little things like that. but you saw, i mean these comments are shocking even with a former president that seems impossible to shock at this point because it does show where his head was at, and it wasn't with mike pence. it was all about trump. >> the people were very angry. well, it's common sense. it's stunning for any human being to say that about the potential life of another human being, let alone the president of the united states at the time against his loyal vice president. >> and why were they angry, john? because the president was lying about the results of the election. his deputies were going out publicly and lying about what had occurred during a fair and free election. the president is not addressing here that he has culpability and responsibility for why these people are standing outside the capitol screaming his vice president should be hung. i think that is what is remarkable here to me is not just that the president wasn't worried about the vice president, but he seems to ignore the fact that it's a serious problem that he was lying to the american people for months after the election. >> he was embracing the anger of people screaming hang mike pence and others saying let's find the speaker and putting at risk the leadership of the united states government and attacking a key institution of the united states government, which gets us back to the legal challenge. mark meadows today said i'm not showing up. if you were his lawyer you might tell him the same thing with this case pending in court, let's wait and see how the court decides this question, does the former president have any such privilege, even limited privilege to deny documents and testimony to the committee. here's what the d.c. court said yesterday. the purpose is to protect the court's jurisdiction to address appellate's claim of executive privilege and should not be construed as ruling on the merits. three judges appointed by democrats saying okay, donald trump, we will give you a hearing. they're not saying they agree. we'll let you make your case. >> they went out of their way to make sure this is not cast as a win for donald trump. this is simply part of the procedure they're going to take up his case. i do wonder whether there is an argument here that the continuation of this process may end up weakening executive privilege in the end. the president -- the former president's team wants people to think the opposite and think they are the ones supporting executive privilege. but president biden has already made the decision, he has already decided that the disclosure of these documents by the archives to the committee is in the public interest, so by continuing to litigate this, i think there's an argument that that actually is weakening the current president's authority to make this decision. >> it's an interesting take because my take was actually process. donald trump attacked judges, attacked courts, institutions, attacked process for a long time. my take on it was here you have three democratic appointed judges saying okay, former republican president, the case law is against you, but it's a big issue and we're going to essentially hit pause for two weeks and hear it out. your view is different? >> i just think that there is an argument -- and i think your institutional point is credible and many would agree with you on that, but president biden ha made the decision and he is the one supposed to decide that. he has decided that the january 6th committee work is on par with other historical significant events, the way that emergencies cooperated in the 9/11 investigationing the ways that the courts decided in the watergate era, iran-contra where executive privilege was an issue, so the january 6th committee is that important and he's already made the decision. now the appellate court might be able to issue an opinion once they consider it and the decision may end up consistent with the district court, but there is a possibility that they also will say actually, we want to go back and look at issues of accommodation. maybe there's a scope issue in the scope of the request that they want the executive and the legislature to work out. >> it's not completely clear that this is all going to be resolved just in a matter of a couple weeks. we've seen over and over again with the former president he has a strategy of tying things up in the courts with when different lawmakers want to get access to his records, access to what he was doing while he was president, he says i'm going to sue and spend months on end in court. that's his strategy. if he can drag this out long enough maybe the democrat will not get everything they need to complete their report before the midterms if the republicans take over they can quash this thing and his delay strategy could work. >> another reason why it's important that this committee does this work. he's not -- this isn't over. the former president continues to spread misinformation. he was doing it just this week at an nrcc national republican congressional committee fundraiser. >> with the embrace of the leadership of the party. sorry to interrupt. >> exactly. he was invited there by kevin mea mccarthy who could end up the speaker of the house if democrats loses the house in the midterms. so this isn't over. this continues. an that's why it's so important that this committee does this. >> and to that point, the witness who refused to testify today, the former trump chief of staff, mark meadows, one of a half dozen people close to the former president every day and had eyes on his mood, calls, eye on his visitors, on the actions he did and did not take. you might be asking why mark meadows. he says, you know, any time i'm around the president it is privilege. why would you want to understand everything he knows? listen. >> mr. president, everybody is on the line and just this is mark meadows the chief of staff. >> all i want to do is this, i want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have, because we won the state. >> that's the call with the secretary of state of georgia, brad raffens burger is help me chief, my take, but a fair take, help me in the election. mark meadows is helping facilitate just organizing the call he knows what the former president is going to do. he's part of this. that's why his testimony is critical because he probably almost more than anybody, he's one of three or four people with the most steady consistent access to donald trump. >> and the former president continues to sort of rule by fear. you hear what he said about his former vice president, one of the most loyal people that stood by him for four years, and he essentially says the folks that were saying hang mike pence, i'm all good with that. he realizes he has a strong hold on the party and people like mark meadows and others within his orbit are called to testify saying i'm going to stick with the former president and not follow some of these subpoenas and listen to what lawmakers are saying. if they want a future in the republican party they have to stick with donald trump because he continues to have a stronghold 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topic implementing the bipartisan infrastructure plan which the president will sign into law monday and the political imperative beyond obvious, team biden hopes a rush to repair roads and bridges will help reboot the president's slumping poll numbers as we get closer to the midterm election year. kaitlan collins joins us live from the white house. >> this is the first cabinet meeting they are holding since they got this bipartisan massive piece of legislation passed just a week ago around midnight on friday night they got that passed, but this is the first time you're going to see the president's entire cabinet sitting together in the room with the president as ther talking about the two things they have left to do. in addition to that signing ceremony at the white house on monday where the white house says it will be both republicans and democrats who helped craft this bill and voted for it, that will be invited to that where the president signs it into law, but, of course, next is the hard part which is implementing the plan, a billion dollars of the bipartisan infrastructure plan they have to put in place which is going to take quite some time and the president is predicting might be about two to three months before people start to see the effects of that, but selling this bill is going to be just as important as implementing it when it comes to the political aspect for this white house. because this is something they will hope bump up the president's poll numbers. you've seen those erode as there were these negotiations back and forth between democrats on capitol hill and in addition to some other factors, so they are counting on this. what you'll see after that signing ceremony happens on monday is the white house says they are going to be going out into the country and selling this bill, talking about how it is going to benefit individual states and what it's going to look like as it is implemented. of course it is going to take a whole of government approach, john, because this is something that ranges from the transportation department to the commerce department. it's going to really be a big effort to actually get this big of a bill implemented. that is a focus you will hear from the president. of course this is looming ins the background of the other economic issues that president has going on. when it comes to inflation, when it comes to the supply chain, all the things he is tying back to the infrastructure bill. >> kaitlan collins at the white house, big day. always loved cabinet meeting. you get all the stars in the building and chance to talk to some folks. up next, brand new cnn report over the progressive split over joe manchin. some accusing the senator being beholden to big energy and others think a polite diplomacy is the path to winning his vote. yeah. ♪ i love finding out things that other people don't want me to know. mm-hmm. 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do you trust our president? that has been her argument for the last three weeks in caucus meetings. i do think that is a consistent argument that the speaker has made and obviously now biden has to deliver. he has to get manchin. there's going to be some work and some changes that are likely going to happen to this house bill if they can get it passed next week if they can get it across the finish line. >> you've heard progressive lawmakers say they'll tank it. whether they're bluffing or not, i think that remains to be seen, but one of the thing they're running into with joe manchin every time a progressive goes after him he gets stronger. no one will beat joe manchin to the left in west virginia. every time bernie sanders starts to run an op-ed in a local paper that makes joe manchin stronger and strengthens his resolve. >> and lawmakers get mad he gets so much attention, but he's exercising power they have. he decides to exercise it publicly all the time. when you have no votes to spare in the senate because it's 50/50 and two or three in the house because you have a two or three seat margin, everyone is prime minister and everyone can make demands. a headline manchin objects to tax credit for, you know, made evs meaning the longer on the vine, from the senator from michigan, let me do this, and manchin says no. that's where we live. until they get to the finish line this is an everyday happening. >> and the point in the piece about leverage is so key. he has leverage. there are no many people that can threaten him in terms of a primary in west virginia, no one will be able to put pressure on him. maybe that relationship with joe biden, the fact that they had been together, worked together for so many years and talk lovingly about each other, maybe that's leverage. in terms of political pressure, he is not subject to that. i'm going to do what's best for my constituents or my own political fortunes given the fact that he believes west virginia is like southwest virginia that we saw during the virginia governor's race that went incredibly for republicans, and he believes that the country is a center right country. he does not feel like he has to sort of follow the whims of the progressives in his caucus. >> to that point you made about virginia, look, those are the things that can change dynamics in this town. the democrats did get the infrastructure bill passed. they had to reverse the strategy on the house that they had for months to do it. they decided to decouple and vote for it. we look down here because we should, look at the granular details of negotiation, but up here have the democrats from the president's approval ratings, the republican win in the virginia's governor race and razor thin democratic win in new jersey is their calculation any different about, you know, okay, maybe we'll take a smaller bill we don't like. >> that's the question. there's a belief they have to get something done, but the problem is the longer they wait to do something the harder it's going to become because once we get into the midterm election season everything gets hard. legislating stops on capitol hill which is why there's a push by the leadership get it done now because things are going to get harder. manchin is clear he's not going to go faster than he wants to go. if they get it out of the house next week, when will it get to the senate and an agreement with manchin to have a bill that can go through the process which could take at least a week to do. will it happen before thanksgiving, after thanksgiving, closer to christmas or the new year which is what he wants, it gets harder for some of the moderates. >> you get into everything, the closer to the election year, everything gets harder. when in the election year everything gets impossible given the margins. something happens including a report from the government that says inflation is running rampant like it hasn't in 30 years. joe manchin says maybe we shouldn't be spending more money. the white house chief of staff says that's wrong. >> i think if your concern is the cost of living it's a concern we have at the white house, a concern senator manchin shares, the build back better bill is the best answer to bringing those costs down, bring down costs for everyday people. >> that's your argument. does joe manchin agree? 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>> well there have been some wins in the bag. it will depend on how those mention go home into concrete policies back across the nations that are gathered there. always this was going to be a marathon, not a sprint n terms of labeling this a success or failure, probably the wrong framing. we're going to have ato have a series of sprints to try to ratchet down ambitions an ratchet up ambitions and collect the mention to limit warming to 1.5 degrees. we have made some progress. >> and so it's interesting the way you say it, it's the world we live in, did you succeed or fail, did you get a passing grade or failing grade, you talk about trying to come at this from a different perspective. some of the language matters when you get global agreements and then does everybody do their part. they're trying to have specific language about fossil fuels and coal, and one of the big conversations leaving the specific references in there because some countries and some interests try it water down the language. welcome to a fact of life here. do you see at least an advancement of the clarity of the conversation? >> absolutely, yes, along several fronts. at glasgow we saw big improvements on methane which is a short lived, very powerful greenhouse gas and some of our near term wins in terms of reducing warming over the next coming decades, big wins there. defor re station with agreements, mention by brazil and indonesia where the deforest station is rampant contributing 10 to 15% of global emissions every year. signing those is big progress. we're talking about the right things. they are there to be drawn down in coming years. again, the frame here in glasgow is going to be aimed at requesting countries to come with more ambitious mention next year, rather than the five years reconvening time scale putted for that paris. again, this idea of multiple sprints through this most critical decade kind of a precedent that might be set at glasgow. >> help someone who doesn't track the issue closely as you do, understand this debate we've seen play out into the final hours about reparations some call it or the bigger nations should step up and do more, both in the rearview more to help out less developed countries that have been punished and looking forward to help countries deal with issues they may not be able to afford to in their own right. >> one of the big sticking points around that climate finance tool. in paris, $100 billion committed to low income countries to help them adapt to the coming climate impacts that are caused by big emitters in rich nations historically. at glasgow, talking about how to increase the ambition of that climate finance fund recognizing loss and damage has occurred across many climate of the worlds from impacts of the past and present and let alone those of the future. how can rich countries help countries weather these impacts and obviously a topic of immense concern around climate justice in glasgow. >> one thing that is different at the summit after four years of trump administration denial that this was an issue, you did have the biden administration, the president himself and a big aggressive team from the united states, go and say america is back and ready to lead. again, those are welcome words to those who are involved in the issue. what specific actions do you see from a biden administration, a u.s. point of view, that you finding encouraging or any that might be discouraging? >> well, certainly the united states was critical in advancing that methane pledge, 100 countries came together and committed to reduce methane emissions 30% by 2030. the ipcc report that just landed about climate change in august noted that methane was one of those important levers to reach for in achieving near term reductions and benefits in terms of air pollution in terms of less ozone production. the u.s. playing leadership role there, obviously aiming to come back and brng that home in terms of policy in the administration. that's one clear place. obviously the role for the united states in thinking about that climate finance mechanism important with john kerry noting that the united states is ready to discuss their role in shaping what that agreement might look like in terms of the low income countries' demands. >> grateful for your help in understanding all this, thank you. >> thanks for having me. up next another covid winter is just ahead. what it means probably depends a lot on where you live. ... ♪ and a new seat at the table. ♪ [uplifting music playing] ♪ i had a dream that someday ♪ ♪ i would just fly, fly away ♪ there's a different way to treat hiv. it's once-monthly injectable cabenuva. cabenuva is the only once-a-month, complete hiv treatment for adults who are undetectable. cabenuva helps keep me undetectable. it's two injections, given by a healthcare provider once a month. hiv pills aren't on my mind. i love being able to pick up and go. don't receive cabenuva if you're allergic to its ingredients or taking certain medicines, which may interact with cabenuva. serious side effects include allergic reactions post-injection reactions, liver problems,...and depression. if you have a rash and other allergic reaction symptoms, stop cabenuva and get medical help right away. tell your doctor if you have liver problems or mental health concerns, and if you are pregnant, breastfeeding, or considering pregnancy. some of the most common side effects include injection site reactions, fever, and tiredness. if you switch to cabenuva, attend all treatment appointments. with once-a-month cabenuva, i'm good to go. ask your doctor about once-monthly cabenuva. paul loves food. but his diabetes made food a mystery. everything felt like a "no". but then paul went from no to know. with freestyle libre 2, now he knows how food affects his glucose. and he knows when to make different choices. take the mystery out of your glucose levels, and lower your a1c. now you know. try it for free. visit freestylelibre.us hearing is important to living life to the fullest. that's why inside every miracle-ear store, you'll find a better life. it all starts with the most innovative technology. like the new miracle-earmini, available exclusively at miracle-ear. so small that no one will see it, but you'll notice the difference. and now, miracle-ear is offering a thirty-day risk-free trial. you can experience better hearing with no obligation. call 1-800-miracle right now and experience a better life. thanksgiving is in two weeks. the official start of winter a little more than five weeks away. we all remember our first covid winter, of it horrific how will this next one be? 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