men. the issue of reproductive rights. now, that meeting and what message is sent specifically by the pontiff may mean as much back home for the biden as anything here. the buzz, the democrats, getting their way on spending bills that will did more for more people than we've seen in a generation, still crying the bill by the price tag, which is $1.75 trillion. my feeling, that's part of the reason that public support for these programs isn't louder. the programs themselves are very popular but price tag politics, dicey, especially with independents. the real challenge for biden are the people in his own party, and he once again implored us to do the right thing. >> no one got everything they wanted, including me, but that's what compromise is. that's consensus. and that's what i ran on. >> the agendas in these bills is what 81 million americans voted for so let's get this done. >> will they listen to president biden? can speaker pelosi deliver the house? you know, she may want to tap back in to the mother tongue of italian. i can hear her -- [ speaking italian ] . enough! it's time to make a deal. no vote tonight and no reason for pelosi to keep setting markers that she has to know her party progressives are not in line with. listen. >> i know that is something the speaker wanted. i have signalled for days that we simply did not have the votes for the bipartisan bill without the other bill, the bill backed that has 85% of the president's agenda that we really care deep by about but our members have been saying for months that these two bills need to be -- need to go together and that we need to have the legislative text. we have the text and i really think it's going to be quick here for us to pass both these bills through the house. >> now we keep saying aoc hey get the hype, there's the power. they speak for the progressives and need to be listened to within the party. they don't trust the house. why should these people be any different than the rest of us. does anyone in this country trust anyone or anything anymore? it's our biggest issue. and how with all of this look to parties here as president biden arrives asking them to trust that america is back as an ally? perfect guest to discuss the inside and outside elementss, to familiar tastes, phil mattingly and jim sciutto. it's italy so you got to talk with your hands a little bit more, all right? so inside game. the deadlines from pelosi. yes, we understand if you don't set a deadline, nobody does anything, but how many times do they want to keep missing their mark before it starts to really color the perception of what should be an historic victory? >> i think this would be the last time and this is probably one too many. there's a reality on capitol hill, it's the oldest adage in the book, nothing focusses the mind like the deadline. the last dead linline they miss they made more progress than they had in the six weeks prior. today they were able to set a top line number, a framework that everybody seems to be behind right now. the idea of bringing the president to capitol hill, making clear the stakes, making clear the urgency may having from speaker pelosi, don't embarrass the president and then not being able to deliver on that, it's a problem. it's a problem for perception and for power. more than anything else, it's a misperception. progressives have made clear we have our position, we're not moving are when we get there, we'll deliver. >> is the die ynamic waiting fo the progresses to decide? who has to move last here? >> it's both. that's part of the problem. both sides want specific things, both sides don't trust one another. one person texted me. progressives have said for weeks they want the text of bolth bils and they want both bills to pass at the same time. >> i've never seen a party fight making history in a way that will be a generational change for more americans than we've seen affected in our life times by government policy. but here we are. so here comes biden, comes off the plane. this is him showing the face to the world, america is back. he wants that message. what does he need to do and how does what's happening at home affect that? >> listen, the president himself articulated this as he made his case to lawmakers privately saying that it is damaging to me and the country to arrive here empty handed. he's arriving empty handed in effect. short term climate change is a big issue on g-20. he needed those commitments from this legislation to say, hey, this is how we're going to meet our commitment to cut co 2 emissions. biden articulated this is about soft power we have to show the world that democracy works and can solve problems. the message from a china or russia authoritarianism works. we can dictate from the top and solve problems better than the u.s. for now biden has lost those arguments. if you talk about getting through the framework, this is more than the u.s. has ever spent on climate measures in its histories. >> and they're way ahead of a lot of countries. >> there's a lot of fuzzy math on these things. if these tax incentives for solar panels and electric vehicles work and are applied over time with executive action, you can conceivably cut emissions in the u.s. by about half in nine years. if you do get there, then you've made progress. he's arriving without that progress. >> the reason and it not just because we're sitting here in front of st. peter's basilica and it doesn't matter that i'm kath kath catholic. what have you heard from the white house about what is the point of purpose behind meeting with the pope? is it simply because the president's in rome? >> it's interesting. we've known g had -20 was goinge here for several months. when the president landed in rome, there's no question he was going to meet with the pope. he's also very frprotective of s faith. he understand when it comes to abortion and reproductive rights, he's in a different place than the church nap is problem obviously, particularly with particular catholics, conservative catholics and where the vatican sits on this issue. officials make sure, one, this isn't something the president is discussing on a regular basis, his faith and his view of the church. two, what pope francis represents on several other issues very much in line with what the president is talking about climate change, poverty, inequity. those are the things the president want to discuss with the pope and hopefully take a union fight message out when you talk to white house officials. >> it's very interesting. you understand these issues very well. and the pope said things about president biden that the clergy in the united states doesn't agree with and it's very interesting to see what he'll do this time when he meets. because, you know, interesting distinction, you're right, the vatican's position, the dogma on reproductive rights is clear. the church, though, is the people. they're not different in terms of the rest of the population in terms of favoring human rights. >> he's a big ten catholic. his approach to homosexuality is to say we welcome, we're not about excluding, we're about growing the church. another hot political issue, when trump was talking about building a wall, pope francis said we're about bringing walls down not putting them up. we see this division very much in the u.s. the leadership in the catholic church and the u.s., more right than the pope. more conservative catholic than the pope on this issue. that's why you've seen this public disagreement with biden and disapproval on his position of reproductive rights. >> it's very interesting to see clergy go against a sitting pope. we'll see how it plays out here. it's good to share history with you, as always. appreciate you. phil mattingly, jim sciutto, two of the best, uyou'll see them al through the g-20 coverage for good reason. i want to turn to somebody who can take us inside what is going on with the democrats, a key progressive. and row khanna did something with his co-chair in the committee with big shot oil executives we've never seen. what? 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because of the progressives? senators? leadership? let's ask somebody very much in the mix, representative ro khanna, deputy whip for the progressive caucus. congressman, always a pleasure to have you. i appreciate you giving straight talk and dealing a good faith with this audience for weeks on this issue. thank you. >> i've been honored to be one. >> so, congressman, to cut to the quick, how long will you guys stand in the way of making history with this legislation, especially when it comes to blowing your own deadlines? >> chris, you're slightly right that it's historic legislation. i think we're almost there, within a week we will be there. you know who was pitch perfect today was the president. he came in, he touted both the build back better bill and the infrastructure bill. when people started chanting "vote, vote, vote" today, he didn't say that. he held up his finger and he said both, he said we need to get this done over the next week. he understands where the party is, he understands clearly the divisions and he took a prudent approach of how to bring us to the over a week. >> is the history being lost on the progressive caucus? if you were to get half of everything that you originally asked for, you would be getting more on climate and literally a laundry list of people's most pressing concerns that we haven't seen in a generation. >> you're right, chris. and that's why there hasn't been any real progressive who has come out and said we're opposed to the 1.75 top line. i thought the president was so eloquent, particularly when he spoke about education. this is the first time in america we're going to have universal preschool. every kid is going to get to go to preschool. we're going to invest in child care and we're going to have the biggest investment in climate ever. the progressives are on board. what is the issue? let's just get it written so it doesn't get further diluted in the senate. i think that's a legitimate concern, to wait a week, make sure all 50 senators are on board and get this passed by the end of next week. >> what is it about you democrats that makes you love price tag politics? the only thing that starts to dampen public interest and appreciation is the price tags. you see what's been happening with independent voters. people get sticker shock. why not just keep folk cused onl of the gives instead of the gets here instead of what the price tag is going to be. >> you're right. what i've been saying is this is less than 2% of our gdp. we're a rich company. for less than 2% we can give every kid a shot in this country, are child care, climate investments, give seniors hearing aids, more an opportunity to go to community college. do we spend 1% or 2% of our gdp? ultimately the role of government to do good is what's at stake and it's going to be historic when we deliver. >> what is your level of confidence in these two senators, and really specifically the one who's been quiet, senator sinema. do you believe that she is playing above board? >> i do today because i had colleagues who i really trust, they sat down with her. they left pretty assured that she wants to make sure that this deal goes forward. this is the first time i felt like that and i trust joanne camilla. i actually feel more confident that we are aligned on the deal. i think what is unfortunate, chris, just being candid and with straight shooting is that we're having these negative headlines. and we're so close to doing something historic. but what people are reading about is democrats are fighting and not delivering and missing deadlines. we got to get past that and talk about what we're actually going to deliver, come together and start talking about all the good things we're going to do. that's my concern, not whether the deal will happen. >> one question follow and then i want to get to the big prize y surprise you gave us today. you say you trust her today, which in politics is i guess the best can you hope for, but not enough to vote today on the infrastructure bill. >> well, it's not just her. it's also senator manchin. he's out there saying we're negotiating in good faith. so there's still things that have to be worked out, the details. and what is do we have strong climate provisions, do we have dental and vision for seniors, do we have medicare negotiation? if we just say okay, we're going to do the infrastructure today instead of a few days from now and give manchin and sinema a lot more power in finalizing that deal, why would we do that? why not do a deal that everyone feels good one opinion i don't think it's the end of the world to wait a few more days to have that process. >> hmm. now, look, i've been saying all along you guys are delaying history. whatever you get here, you're going fto be giving people more than they've seen in a generation. that's not surprising to me. what was surprising to me was what happened today in your hearing with big oil executives. i ant to play for people a little bit of what your angle of accountable was. it wounded leading to a huge development. here it is. >> you're funding these groups and they're really having an impact. they're spending millions of dollars in congress to kill electric vehicles and they're spending millions of dollars against the methane gas. and you could do something here. you could tell them to knock it off. for the sake of the planet, you could end it. you could end that lobbying. would any of you take the opportunity and look at api and say stop it? any of you? will you commit to -- could you commit, any of you? >> so my take on it was, congressman, that they just were going to take their beating and go home. let's just let this guy stop talk talking and get out of here and then you and congresswoman maloney met and came out and said, you know what, we're going to subpoena you for documents on these third parties and where they're getting their money and what this messaging is about because you're not being straight with us. where did that move come from and what do you think about swinging that big a stick? >> it's the first time that oil executives have testified in front of congress under oath, chris. can you believe that? they've never come before congress on climate disinformation before. i was actually giving them an opportunity. here they are, they come out, they say therefore tackling climate change, they're for electric vehicles and a meth aprimethane tax, and the head of the group is there and i'm telling him to stop advertising against electric vehicles and not one of them is willing to tell him to stop. and they weren't willing to admit some of the past misstatements that were clearly climate denialism. so chairwoman maloney and i talked and said we have to subpoena and get these documents. we're going to get the documents. unfortunately it's turning out like a big tobacco moment. >> well, you know, it's interesting that you make that the analog. they better hope not. but the paper has to be there. it's going to take you some time. they've got a lot of money and a lot of lawyers but you do have the u.s. behind you. we will be tracking this. you are always welcome to make the case. huge implications for the american people. congressman ro khanna, you are really right at the crux of some very big goings on in our government. it's good to have you. thank you for taking the opportunity. >> thank you, chris. safe travels in italy. >> all right. new pictures tonight of alec baldwin. he's far from the southwest a week after a deadly accidental shooting on his movie set in new mexico. the focus of this investigation is now on two people. baldwin is not one of them. but no one is in the clear yet. they don't know anything yet. so we have the sheriff leading this investigation. what matters and why next. ♪girl, i don't know, i don't know,♪ ♪i don't know why i can't get♪ applebee's. now that's eatin' good in the neighborhood. ♪ your new pharmacy is here. to make sure you don't run out of meds here. and with amazon prime, get refills and free two-day shipping. who knew it could be this easy? 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there is an increasing focus, however, on two people in particular who handled the weapon and what they have told police about how chain of custody here got screwed up, because it did. court documents reveal 24-year-old armorer hanna gutierrez told investigators no live ammo is ever kept on set. how can that be? then what blew a hole in halyna hutchins? assistant director david halak knowledged he didn't check all the round before handing it to alec baldwin and saying "cold gun." that is the reporting. why did he say that if he didn't check? his quote is he could only remember seeing three rounds. he advised he should have checked all of them but didn't and couldn't recall if hannah spun the drum, meaning turned the round barrel part behind the barrel where the ammo is. all right. let's bring in the sheriff leading the investigation, sheriff adan mendoza. it's good to have you on pr "primetime." >> thank you for having me. >> sheriff, it's not for people to be making an issue of you not clearing anybody. you're just starting it would be completely unreasonable for you to say you were clearing anybody at this stage. i understand that. but as you're entering into this, what are your avenues of concern and consideration? >> so i think obviously we want to get statements from those involved. those that were closest to the incident. again, the focus is on the firearm and the live rounds, the possible live rounds that we found and the live round that was discharged. so the focus is how that live round ended up there, who brought it there and why it was there. that's the focus of our investigation. >> sheriff, you say possible live rounds. you don't know whether or not any of the rounds you collected are live or not? >> well, right now they're suspected live rounds. they appear to be similar to the round that was discharged by the firearm by mr. baldwin, but that won't be determined until they're analyzed by the fbi crime lab in quantico to verify that they are live rounds. but they will be analyzed and they will be sent off to the crime lab. >> you know, there's a confusing question maybe you can clear up that it's going to take many months, we had some reporting before, we know what killed halyna hutchins. why would it take so long to process what happened with her and what else could have put a wound in her like that except a live round? >> well, i think it's clear that a live round was discharged by the firearm, based on the fact that it did kill miss hutchins and wounded mr. souza. that projectile has been recovered. so there's no question this live round was fired from the weapon. what makes it complicated is there's so many people on set, there's a lot of interviews to be done and there's a lot of clarifying questions, like i stated, in reference to why that r round was there, who brought it there and what was it doing there. it's going to take some time. we want to have a complete investigation for the district attorney so she can have all the information and facts so she can make a decision whether charges are necessary to be filed. >> do you believe people are cooperating fully and truthfully to this point? >> well, the focused individuals have given initial statements, but, again, we like to get these people back and have some follow-up questions and we understand that some of these individuals have retained counsel and we're hoping that they will be cooperative in the investigation, come back, clarify some. ques of the questions that we may have and help assist gathering the facts for the case. >> at this point in the investigation, can you say whether or not you believe that you are contained within the world of intelligence, recklessness or do you believe that some of this could have been intentional? >> well, it's truly an investigation to determine whether those three things happened. i use the word complacency and i think that's very clear that there was complacency when it came to safety protocols, when it comes to the ammunition and the firearm. now, whether that reaches the level of negligence and whether that reaches a criminal level, i think that's yet to be determined. it's still early in the investigation. >> what would you need to see to say that this wasn't just doing the job badly, this was doing it so badly that it rises to the level of a crime? >> i think there's a lot to prove there. i think it's going to be a totality of the circumstances, and that may be based on what happened at the scene and what happened during the incident, but we may look further than that. we may look at the history of what's happened on other sets, the concerns that -- for people that were on the set, if there were any, and we're going to obviously follow any avenue to determine if there were other safety protocols that weren't followed. so it's going to be the totality of the circumstances that obviously that we're going to be looking at. >> just quickly, sheriff, were you surprised to learn that they're using real weapons and blank ammunition and dummy rounds still in this day and age? >> you know, i wasn't surprised. i guess my question is is why. why did they need them and why was there a fully functional firearm there? there may be a reason, but i'd like somebody to explain that to the investigators in reference to why that is absolutely necessary. but in my mind there should be no reason that there would be live rounds on the set. >> sheriff, appreciate you and i wish you good luck in getting answers that are complete and quick. >> thank you so much. >> be well. >> so we are here in vatican city. president biden is now here as well. he just landed when we started the show. he's going to be meeting with pope francis tomorrow. reproductive rights is heating up as a big issue. you know what's coming in our supreme court back in america. how will it play here? we have something very interesting. there's a stark division between the man who runs the shop behind me shoulder and conservative bishops in the united states and it is playing out in ways that you may not even know when this comes to reproductive rights. so where is our country on this issue? 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more than half the american people say religion, catholicism or otherwise, is important to them. what should we make of this meeting and what this issue means to americans? that's why i brought in the wizard of odds, not a theologian but he is a statistician. he can help us understand why this is much more about politics than it is about faith at this point. harry, let look at where we are in this issue and keep getting deeper and deeper into the types of people. >> no one would ever confuse me for being a theologian. a statistician you're right. if you look at americans' positions on abortion rights, 61% want to keep it legal most of the time. whether they want to overturn roe v. wade, 70% say no, they don't want to overturn roe v. wade. let look at different blocks. this is a majority position who want abortion to stay always or mostly legal. what you see is with the exception of white evangelicals, just 20% of them want to keep abortion mostly or always legal, catholics at 56 want to keep abortion mostly or always league, and nonwhite evangelicals, black protestants who can be conservative want to keep it legal and the religiously unaffiliated 83% want to keep abortion mostly or always legal. >> now, do you see this as kind of architecting what this issue is becoming, which is not so much about religion in general but about fringe right politics, as evidenced by the evangelical white community? >> i think so. you know, look, one of the things that's really sort of changed on the abortion issue over the last 30 years or 35 years is whether or not it's moral, right? there are a lot of people who used to believe that abortion should stay legal but they didn't view it as a morally acceptable position. you go back to 1987, just 26% of americans believed abortion was morally acceptable. now it's up to 47%. meanwhile the morally wrong stance, believing it was morally wrong, it dropped from 62% down to 46%. so it's not just that americans believe that abortion should be mostly or always legal, it also they're starting to say it's okay if someone should get an abortion, shouldn't be kept hidden. we've seen that in a lot of women coming out and saying i've had an abortion in the past and it's an okay thing do. >> you know, we often point out to people, you and i, that you have 50 u.s. senators elected by less than a quarter of the country and that when you look at congressional districts that are republican, you also see that they are evidencing minorities of populations, you know, that they're mostly white but that they're a minority. you see it with this issue, is that they're playing to a minority position on this. it's not where the country is, it's not even where most religious people are, is it, harry? >> no, it's not. what they're really playing to is republicans. that's who they're playing to. there's still about a third of the republican base who believe in abortion rights in one way or another but two-thirds of that base does not believe in that and they're the ones driving the nomination process. you see it in a guy like donald trump. each used to believe in abortion rights. that was the one thing he changed in 2016 to win the nomination and then the presidency. >> harry enten, thank you very much. this isn't just about politics, it is about religion. clergy back in the united states are basically saying that pope francis is wrong about this. not only is that not their place, but it makes for a very interesting argument about position. my next guest is someone you know. he is a priest, he's a member of the catholic clergy, but i also believe he became a casualty in this division between the clergy in the u.s. and their own pope. i want to talk about what the faith says, what father beck has said and what happened as a result next. inside the exposed dentin to help repair sensitive teeth. my patients are able to have that quality of life back. i recommend sensodyne repair and protect with deep repair. your eyes. beautiful on the outside, but if you have diabetes, there can be some not-so-pretty stuff going on, on the inside. it's true, if you have diabetes, you know high blood sugar is the root of the problem. but that excess sugar can cause the blood vessels to be seriously damaged. and when that happens, this could happen, vision loss or even blindness. that's right, diabetic retinopathy is a leading cause of blindness for adults in the u.s. but even though you can't see it, there is something you can do about it. remember this: now is the time to get your eyes checked. eye care is an incredibly important part of your long-term diabetes management. see a path forward with actions and treatments that may help your eyes— and protect against vision loss. just say to yourself, “now eye see.” then—go see an eye care specialist. visit noweyesee.com to get the facts about diabetes, your eyes, and what you can do next—to take control of your sight. brought to you by regeneron. you could email an urgent question to lisa in marketing. and a follow up. and a “did you see my email?” text. orrrr... you could see her status in slack. and give lisa a break while you find someone online who can help. slack. where the future works. whether president biden should be allowed to take holy communion is dividing catholics. and not just catholics but really catholic clergy and their pontiff. it's a hot-button issue. it's big in politics. but the implications go i don't understand -- go beyond that. let's welcome back friend of show father edward beck. good to see you, father, as always. the last time you and i were together here in rome was for the conclave where there bergolio became pope and in fact, father beck was one of the only people to suspect that he may be the choice. it was a big deal. so you've always had good insight into what are the implications of this meeting for the pontif and the president tomorrow? >> i think there are some important issues they want to discuss. i think they talk about what's possible, chris, and what en th meet together. i think pope francis is a little concerned of developing countries that haven't received the vaccine and other countries are coordinating it a bit. i think he's going to talk to president biden about that. the climate meeting is coming up in glasgow. this is a pope who wrote a whole an cyclical on the environment. he wants to talk about immigration and migrants. look what happened with haitians recently on our own borders. all these things really affect this pope. so i think he's going to focus mostly with biden tomorrow on issues of commonality and where they can work together for change and really have some productive things happen. >> do you think that he'll take the opportunity to say and to those clergy in the united states who don't seem to like what i say, remember who's number one here. if i say that biden can receive communion, and i'm meeting with him now, that's what you should say, too. >> i don't think the pope is going to talk about communion with biden at all. i think they both know where each other stand on comunian. he's going to leave it up to the cardinal of washington, wilton gregory, and the bishop in delaware. the archbishop of washington has already said he's not going to with hold communion. so i don't think there's any reason for the pope to get into this. and the pope wouldn't complain to president biden about how clergy have treated him in the united states, i don't think. i don't think that's what he would do with the president tomorrow. >> yeah, but it does seem to be he's been getting push back from the clergy and the catholic church. look, let's people into your own individual situation. father beck said the exact same thing that the pope said. he adopted the pope's position about president biden. then all of a sudden he gets asked to no longer be in the dioceses that he and his order that he's a member of had transformed in a year, out by where i live. changed the reality for the people in that community of the church. all of a sudden the bishop says father beck doesn't have to be here anymore and won't give any reason. do you believe it had something to do with the fact that bishop doesn't agree with what the pope said that you repeated? >> well, i think it's very likely been a speculation on my part. but when the bishop visited in may everything was hunky-dory. what a great job we were doing, i was doing, i was grateful. and then i wrote op-ed for cnn in june about this whole issue of biden and communion agreeing with pope francis, and other major religious leaders in this country including cardinal gregory, and cardinal dolan who do not think that communion should be used as a divisive wedge. and then i went on some cnn shows to talk about the op-ed. and by august i was given my walking papers from the dioceses with no explanation. when we would ask, well, why am i not being renewed, why can we not stay, he would say it's simply the case, we're not giving any reason. so i think that was the reason because that was the only thing publicly that was controversial that i waded into during that interim period. >> you know the pope keeps saying that the catholic church back in america specifically love mercy. focus on that. love mercy. don't get caught up in the rules, who's right and who's wrong, don't get caught up in politics. and it seems people even the bishop over in your diocese was choosing to play politics instead of just loving mercy. father edward beck, you make me proud to bea catholic, and i'm proud to have you in my life. thank you. >> you make me proud, too. thank you. miss you. >> all right, be well. we'll be right back with the hand-off. as a dj, i know all about customization. that's why i love liberty mutual. they customize my car insurance, so i only pay for what i need. how about a throwback? 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