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>> good criticism helps us get better. my view is what we are seeing is a coordinated effort to selectively used leaked documents to paint a false picture of our company. the reality is that we have an open culture where we encourage discussion and research about our work so we can make progress on many complex issues that are not specific to just us. >> in reality, the facebook papers show researchers found the company essentially created a frankenstein, a monster, pushing falsehoods in the darkest corners in ways that won't easily be undone. cnn's donie o'sullivan starts us off this morning. >> reporter: we need to steel ourselves from more bad headlines in the coming days, facebook wrote in an internal memo to colleagues over the weekend. >> we didn't invent hate, but you think it's making hate worse? >> unquestionably it's making hate worse. >> reporter: whistleblower frances haugen appeared before the parliament and cnn and other news agencies began producing thousands of pages haugen leaked from the company. >> i think there is a view in the company it's a cost center, not growth center. it's short term in thinking. >> reporter: what fueled the insurrection was piecemeal. >> how did you hear about it today? >> from facebook. >> reporter: after the insurrection comments suggested the company was at least partially culpable. all due respect, but haven't we had enough time to figure out how to manage discourt without enabling violence? we've been fueling this fire for a long time and we shouldn't be surprised it's now out of control. but facebook's issues extend far beyond the united states. the leaked document showed the platform being used by militias in ethiopia fanning the flames of sectarianism in ethiopia and myanmar. >> things seen around the world, myanmar, ethiopia, are the opening chapters. facebook says only a tiny sliver is hate. only a tiny sliver is violence. they can't detect it very well so i don't trust those numbers. it's concentrated in 5% of the population and you only need 3% of the population on the streets to have a revolution. and that's dangerous. >> reporter: and the documents show how for years the company has struggled to crackdown on how its platforms are used to promote human trafficking. cnn last week identifying multiple instagram accounts purporting to offer domestic workers for sale, including photos and descriptions of women like age, height and weight. facebook taking them down after asked by cnn claiming they broke the rules. >> what frances has given us is an extraordinary archive of material that helps us see exactly what's going on and what they know is going on. and it is the biggest and most important contribution to understanding this incredibly important problem that we've ever had. >> reporter: clearly frances haugen whistleblower is hitting a nerve. she has the attention of lawmakers on both sides of the atlantic. of course, the question now is what will politicians do, will they vote to regulate facebook? christine, laura. >> donie, thank you. facebook reminded investors it is a money making machine. it posted a profit of $9.2 billion in the third quarter and $29 billion in revenue despite scrutiny over its data and privacy. the number of people using facebook's family of apps, that's facebook, what's app, instagram, that grew 12% year over year. nearly 3.6 billion people. the business has chugged along despite outcry from regulators and the public. it's now closed up over 1% monday. it's 20% higher so far this year. but important perspective here. you can see the shares are down 15% from the high earlier this year. a sign it is not impervious to its self-made p.r. crisis. sales slowed in the quarter. facebook warned investors changes to apple's i.o.s. privacy rules could create head winds in the fourth quarter. that update requires users to give permission for apps to track their behavior and sell their personal data. >> have you ever seen a company make this much money having such bad headlines? >> the p.r. crisis is self-inflected and it is very big. you can see the stock is off of its high. it is still churning out a lot of money. it is a free platform. i'm sure you have people in your life who say, by the way, you know you're being targeted -- >> i try not to engage in discussions about facebook details and things people say. >> they don't care, they just don't care. well, more new details breaking overnight about the trouble on the set of "rust" even before last week's accidental shooting by alec baldwin. the founder and chief executive of the rap tells cnn that crew members were fooling around with live ammo during their down time on that set. >> the gun that alec baldwin used to tragically accidentally shoot halyna hutchins had been used earlier in the day for target practice with a number of crew members. a lot of down time onsets. you probably know this. there is this pass time that crew members sometimes do, it's called plinking. they go out in the rural areas and shoot at bearcats. this is live ammunition. >> the film's assistant director was previously fired after a crew member was injured in another gun incident on a different movie set. three crew members say an 1800s style rifle unexpectedly fired during the scene. cnn's josh campbell has more on that. >> reporter: christine and laura, we are learning more about the person who handed the gun to alec baldwin during the fatal shooting in santa fe. dave halls was involved in another incident in the set of a production in 2019. a weapon had unexpectedly discharged. that leading an employee to recoil. they were taken away from the set by a medic, eventually brought back. however, halls himself was dismissed and ultimately fired. now, cnn has reached out to halls for comment. we have not yet received a response. this is all coming as we are learning new details about the circumstances surrounding that fatal shooting here in santa fe. according to search warrant data from the sheriff's department, alec baldwin was practicing what's called a cross-draw where you pull a weapon across your body. when the shot rang out, we are told that struck halyna hutchins ultimately leading to her death. of course, there is a question about liability. who will ultimately be held responsible here? there is a question about whether it's the role of the armourer. the person responsible for ensuring safety on the set. whether it's the person who actually handed alec baldwin the prop telling him it was safe, or the responsibility of the actor himself to ensure a clear and safe weapon. i spoke to a d.a., he said no new investigation. we are waiting to see if there will be charges filed in the case. christina, laura me? josh, thank you so much. it's so frustrating. imagine being her husband, hearing that news and realizeizing this could have been easily preventable. optimism from democrats is not a term you hear in washington. her hoping for a deal on the president's economic 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me, expanding medicare to closing the gap on medicaid coverage. because, remember, manchin is really integral in these negotiations. they have to get him to a yes to get anything passed because of that 50/50 democratic split. and like it or not, manchin has been really successful in not only getting these negotiations to extend beyond what democrats wanted initially, but also to bring that price tag down. now, we don't know officially what that final price tag will be, but we know it's going to be lower than $3.5 trillion that president biden first outlined. and remember, manchin is around $1.5 trillion, so, yes, he is along with other democrats sounding more optimistic about the fact they may have reached kind of a framework conceptual deal on the social safety net expansion package by the end of this week. but he still has some major issues out. take a listen to this exchange with him and our colleague manu raju about kind of the things that he is concerned over. >> are you open to expanding medicare at this point? >> my big concern right now is 2026 deadline we have insolvency. and if no one is concerned about that and i've got people -- that's a lifeline. medicare and social security are a lifeline for people in west virginia and around of the country. you have to stabilize that first before you look at expansions. >> dental, vision or hearing could make medicare insolvent, that's what you're concerned about? >> right now it's not fiscally responsible, i don't think. >> reporter: now, that stands for manchin we just heard, not fiscally responsible. they could button this up sending biden off with a parting gift as he heads to the uk at the end of this week. right now the plan is for democrats to agree to a framework deal, kind of using that to pressure progressives into voting for the bipartisan infrastructure bill on wednesday or thursday, a source tells cnn. really trying to give biden some momentum as he heads to that climate provision -- to give momentum on climate provisions as he heads to the uk this weekend. now, biden himself has been optimistic saying he hopes things can get done. it would be positive for them to have a deal and a vote by the time that he heads there, but still, as of this early tuesday morning, laura, there is no deal reached. >> yeah, you know, deadline is always a loose word in washington. it sounds like the president's trip has added a new level of momentum this time. jasmin, thank you for all of your reporting as usual. appreciate it. what is the cost of all those new laws to vote? dana bash has the report tomorrowow night at 9:00 only o cnn. i dodon't just play someone brainy on tv - i'm an actual neuroscientist. and i love the science behind neuriva plus. unlike ordinary memory supplements, neuriva plus fuels six key indicators of brain performance. more brain performance? yes, please! neuriva. think bigger. lactaid is 100% real milk, just without the lactose. so you can enjoy it even if you're sensitive to 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facebook is a widely used platform in the country, some of the documents show facebook has at the top of its list at-risk companies. it fell short of the kind of flood of inflammatory content on the platform. so, for instance, these documents show that facebook failed to build tools that could detect hate speech and misinformation, and two of the most widely spoken languages in ethiopia. what that means is that posts that were inciting people to violence did not get flagged or taken down because facebook just didn't have the capacity for that. now, i need to points out facebook is telling cnn they have invested in ethiopia in language capacity and extra people and is monitoring content in not just here, but somali and tigray, languages spoken in the north. it doesn't tell us how much they have invested. so the danger here is, you understand the way facebook works. the comment that gets the most likes and shares are seen by people. it would incite people to violence or ethnic conflict 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javaheri. >> christine, laura, good morning, guys. this is a classic nor'easter in the works. the first of the season parked offshore beginning to really take shape later on today and eventually into the overnight hours where winds could be as high as 50, maybe up to 70 miles per hour in these coastal communities. so beach erosion absolutely could be the case. could see some coastal flooding and plenty of power outages possibly with so much foliage left on the trees, we could see power lines come down. rainfall already coming down in earnest across marts of philly, parts of new york. get used to it. at least 40 million of you underneath the flood alerts scattered in the region of the u.s. we're watching for an additional round of maybe 4, maybe 6 inches of rainfall. widespread into southern new york, northern new jersey. did could exceed 6 inches. enough rain to cause flooding over the next couple of days. back toward the west we've seen that as well. parts of california, of course. the energy now shifting a little farther toward the north, guys. if you're in the pacific northwest, that's the area of concern moving forward for the next round of flooding. >> all right, pedram. what an event in the west coast. many trees including giant sequoias are a hazard. in september it was sparked by lightning. fire is only 60% contained. trees weakened by drought, disease and fire have a high probability to fail and fall on people, cars and structures. >> that's not good. >> all right. early start continues right now. ♪ good morning, everybody. this is early start. i'm christine romans. >> and i'm laura jarrett. it's about 29 minutes past the hour in new york. it's time for our top stories to keep an eye on today. facebook c.e.o. mark zuckerberg after the company failed to prevent hate speech. damning revelations from the movie set of "rust." he had been fired over safety issues. the gun that killed halyna hutchins had been loaded with live rounds for target practice earlier that morning. the fda votes on pfizer for kids 5 to 11 years old. in approved, marnts could vaccinate their children as early as november. a new policy at the state department. tony blinken said it is to strengthen the cyber expertise of u.s. diplomats. comedian dave chappelle breaking his silence about his netflix special which has drawn heavy criticism for his transphobic takes. >> to the theranoransgender com, i am more than willing to give you an audience. you will not summon me. i am not bending to anybody's demands. >> chappelle also denies reports that he refused to speak with transgender netflix employees who staged a walkout last week. scientists found clues to ancient life inside a ruby that's 2.5 billion years old. researchers looking for gemstones in greenland discovered, surprise, locked in one of them a pure form of carbon that they believe may be the remains of ancient microbial life. >> mind blowing. profits over people. that's the bottom line from a trochl of leaked documents that showed facebook maximized engagement at all costs and delaying efforts to fight misinformation and radicalization. >> thousands of documents pulling back the curtain on the company's role kindling the capitol insurrection, in flaming violence overseas, while doing little to nothing to stop it. ignoring employee concerns about human trafficking, possibly misleading its own oversight board and so much more. >> any parent, anyone that's interested in our democracy, no matter what party they're part of, you start to see the harm. you start to see the injury. you start to see the fact that they are putting profit, and that is based on polarized and algorithms that promote polarized speech and angry speech, they put that ahead of this nation. that's a fact. >> you can expect to see additional documents reported out over the coming weeks. among the new revelations, how easy and quickly it is to be poisoned by disinformation on facebook. here's cnn's donie o'sullivan. >> reporter: how does your facebook feed become so politically polarized? in the summer of 2019, facebook ran an experiment to find out. it created a fake account for a 41-year-old mom living in north carolina. they called her carol smith. carol started off by liking a few popular conservative facebook pages like fox news, donald trump, and melania trump. but quickly facebook began dragging her down a rabbit hole of misinformation. after only two days -- two days, facebook recommended carol follow a qanon page and a few date later it suggested she follow another. this experiment was never meant to be made public, but details about it were included in documents leaked by facebook whistleblower frances haugen who said the company is not doing enough to crackdown on conspiracy theories and online hate. >> and they know algorithmic based ranking keeps you on their sites longer. you have longer sessions. you show up more often, and that makes them more money. >> reporter: by week three r of the experiment, carol's feed had become, quote, a constant flow of misleading and polarizing content according to the facebook employee who is running the account. a lot of us spend way too much time on social media and when we try to cut back on those apps, companies like facebook will often send us a push notification to lure us back. that's exactly what happened during this experiment as well. the facebook employee noted how they were traveling for a conference in the second week of running carol's account, and were checking facebook a little bit less. and so facebook began sending push notifications. one notification was actually to a facebook post claiming barack obama was born in kenya. this was in 2019, years after the ludicrous conspiracy theory had been widely debunked. >> what it does is amplify the messages that it knows will drive engagement. and it just turns out we humans get most riled up by lies and hate and all sorts of misinformation. >> reporter: after running the experiment four weeks, the facebook employee recommended the platform stop promoting pages that are clearly linked to conspiracy theories like qanon. but it still took the company more than a year to ban qanon from its platform doing so a few weeks before the 2020 election. >> so, we have a whole team really digging into these facebook files, folks. lets's bring in claire a following the facebook saga extensively. we have brand-new reporting this morning. good morning. despite a global presence, facebook has had a difficult time, its researchers repeatedly warned that the company was not equipped to address hate overseas. hate speech and misinformation in languages other than english. why? >> so, that's right. we learned last night during facebook's earnings that the company now has more than 3.6 billion users across its family of apps. most of those people are outside the united states. while we focus on the hate facebook causes in the united states, this is the best version of facebook there is. so researchers over the past couple of years have warned about these problems where -- in countries where they consider the most at risk, countries like india, afghanistan, the company doesn't have moderators who speak all of those languages. these are very linguistically diverse places and so, therefore, there is a lot of hate speech -- >> just as a platform, it doesn't -- right, it doesn't take responsibility for the content. >> that's right. but in places like in the united states where we speak english, facebook has lots of moderators who are working on flagging misinformation. it's automated systems can proactively flag misinformation and hate speech. yet in some of these countries that are most at risk, it's lacking those same systems. >> speaking of flagging problematic things, your reporting was devastating, in my mind, on all the ways that human trafficking and sex trafficking is allowed to flourish on instagram. something that you flagged to the company that you found in your own reporting, and what do they do? they take it down because you found it? >> that's right, yeah. so, the company says that for years it has banned this kind of human trafficking of domestic workers on its platforms. >> right. >> but just last week i found active instagram accounts that were very obvious. use the search terms that facebook's own researchers have identified in these internal documents and i was easily able to find active accounts on instagram offering domestic workers for sale, people for sale on the platform. facebook took it down after i flagged it. >> what are they saying they are doing to prevent that? >> facebook says it is increasing -- this a.i. system has these things called classifiers which are these automatic ways for the platform to detect harmful content. and so it's building out these classifiers in various languages. as far as the domestic worker, you know, human trafficking issue goes, the company says it is also working with the international organizations to sort of learn about how it can best handle this issue and educate people on its platforms who might fall victim. >> so facebook has to change, right? facebook has to change. congress, lawmakers, regulators, people inside facebook, consumers of facebook say it has to change. what does that look like? >> it's a good question. i think what these documents really show is that even when the company is made aware of its own problems, it can really struggle to fix them. and facebook has talked about how it spent $13 billion, it he's tens of thousands of people working on this issue. but what the whistleblower has said, it may not matter how much is already spent. what does it need to spend in order to address these issues. >> it's running ads saying it wants to have this conversation, and it wants -- or at least it's open to the idea that changes are needed. what are you hearing in terms of advertisers? folks outside are taking note of this. is this going to affect their bottom line? >> so, we've seen advertiser boycotts on facebook before. last year when there was a conversation about hate speech on facebook, there was a big advertiser boycott. a lot of times when the big companies, coca-cola, brands we're familiar with boycott facebook, it does president necessarily make that much of a difference. the base of facebook's ad revenue is lots and lots of small businesses that really rely on the platform. there are not as many options for them. >> during that blackout a couple weeks back, you saw how many ways its tentacles reach into things, things you wouldn't think of you need a facebook account to sign onto, right. it's so interwoven in our daily lives. >> right. i think that's right. and we hear people sometimes, when facebook's problems come up, say, just delete facebook. but the reality is that that's just not possible for everyone, especially in some of these foreign countries where facebook is a primary gateway to the internet. >> jonathan greenblatt, c.e.o. of the antidefamation league told one of our colleagues, i don't think ever before a single company has been responsible for so much misfortune. this is bigger than facebook. misinformation, and this model is really prevalent around the world. i mean, can you put the tooth paste back in the tube is the question. >> i don't think you can. i think facebook talks a lot about this, it operates on this larger social media eco system where misinformation has really run rampant beyond facebook. but i think, you know, while we need to be paying attention to the full eco system, we can't lose sight of the fact that facebook is the biggest player here. >> that's the thing. no one is as big and has as big of a reach globally as facebook. >> it all started with the ishy dorm website. >> christine always brings that up. >> such pure, pure origins. >> thank you for your reporting, claire. excellent job. >> thank you. it's called the great resignation. covid changing job 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tech. there are a few ideas being kicked around right now. one of them is to reform the legal protections that prevent internet companies from being sued or held liable for content posted by their users. one bill introduced by frank palone would remove that liability if companies knowingly or recklessly use personalized algorithms to use content that causes harm physically or emotionally. the algorithm versus content could be a fraught debate. it has no republican cosponsors as of yet. the other big idea being kicked around is to create more competition in the market place. and the house judiciary committee actually passed a package of antitrust bills earlier this summer with the support of several republicans, but it has yet to receive a full vote in the house. now, look, there is bipartisan anger over facebook and big tech right now, but the big question is whether it can actually turn into action. and part of the problem is that even though republicans and democrats agree on the need to rein in silicon valley, they have different reasons to do so and different visions for how to do so. the other big piece of this, laura, is money. big tech is one of the biggest political spenders in washington. they have for a very long time up here, but incredibly powerful and have gone untouched. so we'll have to see whether this actually is different this time around. but proponents of cracking down feel like the tides are finally turning in their favor, laura. >> the lobbying aspect of this really key there. melanie, thank you for your reporting. appreciate it. >> reporter: thank you. the chicago city council poised to vote this week on one of the nation's most progressive basic income programs, the $31 million pilot program would give low income households $500 per month for a year. it would be funded from the money that chicago received from the pandemic stimulus package. the program has the support of most of the city's 50 aldermen. however, the 20 member black caucus is urging the mayor to redirect this money to violence prevention programs. >> that will be interesting, basic income. looking at markets around the world forey your tuesday session, asian markets closed lower. it was a record day for investors, even with a big surge in oil prices. another record high for the dow, it's now within striking distance for the first time ever of 36,000. a record for the s&p 500, too, and the nasdaq rallied just under 1%. that milestone for oil prices above $85 a barrel for the first time in seven years. higher oil means higher gas prices. a gallon of gas, gallon of regular up 20 cents from last month. investors are getting ready for another big day of tech earnings. google, microsoft and twitter will report earnings after the closing bell. and electric performance for tesla yesterday, it is now the 6th company in u.s. history to be worth $1 trillion. only apple, microsoft, google or alphabet and amazon are worth more. tesla's stock jumped 12%. hertz said it is buying 100,000 teslas for its fleet. that is the largest order ever by a single buyer. also the biggest move into electric cars by a rental company. they have been trying for traditional auto makers. the shortage slows down production. the u.s. supply chain still a tangled mess. take a look at this. cargo ships are literally circling offer the ports of los angeles and long beach waiting to off load everything from car parts and toys to furniture. the backlog is stunning. all that stuff sitting out there is $24 billion in goods floating outside the ports of long beach and l.a. there are not enough truck drivers to move the goods once they get on land. the bottlenecks means delays, higher prices and fewer options ahead of the holiday shopping season. auburn's football coach refuses to talk about his vaccination status as the deadline looms for all university employees to be fully vaccinated against covid-19. andy scholes has this morning's bleacher report. hey, andy. >> good morning, christine. the vaccine mandate already cost one college's football coach after he did not comply with the state's mandate for employees. a mandate is going to go into effect december 8. tigers head coach refused to talk about his vaccine status and deflected questions about it again yesterday. >> i'm aware of the new policy. you know, i appreciate you have to ask the question and understand it, but, you know, it doesn't change. the executive order, you know, all those things doesn't change the fact that i'm not going to discuss any individual's decision or status on the vaccine or anyone else's, including my own. >> the world series starts tonight in houston. braves fans giving their team the red carpet treatment as they departed for their first fall classic since 1999. the astros, meanwhile, back in the world series the third time in five years. the astros have heard the boos and cheating chants for two years now after the fallout from the 2017 scandal. their superstar short stop says, redemption isn't their main motivation. >> i don't think the outside noise motivates us at all. the guys inside there, we motivate ourselves to just be better every single day and you see the results on the field. >> i think this is their third world series in the last five or six years. they've gotten here a lot of times. but i think right now it's just two good teams going at it right now. but we've been hot for a long time, so hopefully we can carry that into the world series. >> saints and seahawks playing monday night football. a downpour in seattle. first quarter geno smith going to fire over d.k. met calf. he goes 84 yards for the touchdown. but from there, the saints defense just played stellar, allowing seattle just 126 yards of offense the rest of the game. new orleans would win a low-scoring affair, 13-10 the final. the lucky buccaneers fan gave back the ball to tom brady's career pass on sunday. getting a decent haul in return, 29-year-old byron kennedy is going to get two signed jerseys and a helmet from brady. mike evans caught the pass and gave him the ball. also a thousand dollars credit to the team store and two season tickets this season and all of next season. payton manning said during the broadcast they could have got much more. >> byron realized he lost all his leverage once he gave the ball away. he should have held it and had as much leverage as possible. >> if he held it, he would have been sitting in tom brady's suite. amateur move on his part. >> and, guys, brady said he's going to give byron a bitcoin worth around $63,000. but that all being said, the ball was probably worth, according to experts, around a half million dollars. so -- >> he apparently did not talk to christine romans about bitcoin before he did that. >> i don't think it's a really stable value-holding investment. >> she's putting that nicely. >> thank you, andy. >> thank you so much. don't want to say anything bad about bitcoin. >> just facts. >> just facts. mark 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