cannes they're suppresses the body's immune response. powell held a variety of critically important roles in his lifetime of service to the united states -- secretary of state, chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, and four-star u.s. army general. his leadership in several republican administrations helped shape american foreign policy over the last four decades. at one point, he was considered a potential leading presidential candidate. but his story is also a complicated one marked by his speech before the united nations in 2003 to make the case for the invasion of iraq citing faulty intelligence about weapons of mass destruction. he would later call that decision a blot on his record. cnn's wolf blitzer looks back at the incredible life and career of general powell. >> i will never not be a soldier. >> reporter: colin powell, a soldier turned statesman made history on many fronts, the first african-american and youngest of the joint chiefs of staff and later the first african-american secretary of state. >> i've always felt strongly that you should try to solve conflicts in this world through negotiations, through diplomacy. anytime we can solve a problem that way and not use force and satisfy our objectives, let's push for that. >> reporter: powell grew up in the bronx, new york. his parents emigrated from jamaica. by his own admission, he was not an outstanding student. >> it's been amusing over the years for people to say you're chairman of the joint chiefs of staff. when did you graduate from west point? couldn't have gotten in. >> reporter: he enrolled in the city college of new york. geology was his major, but the rotc became his passion. powell flourished as a ka debt and after graduating excelled as soldier. he served two tours of vietnam before earning a prestigious fellowship working for the office of management and budget during the nixon era in 1972. afterwards, powell returned to his troops, eventually becoming a general, and went back to the white house in 1987 as president reagan's national security adviser. then in 1989, the general became the highest ranking officer in the u.s. military when president george h.w. bush named him chairman of the joint cheechs of staff. our strategy to go after this army is simple. first we're going to cut it off, then we're going to kill it. >> reporter: powell became a household name during the first gulf war. his policy of overwhelming force against iraq became known as the powell doctrine. >> i exmy sincere thanks to each and every one of you for being here to share my final day in uniform. >> reporter: after a distinguished 35-year career, powell retired from the army in 19893. ten years later another gulf war and powell played a key role. >> my colleagues, every statement i make today is backed up by sources, solid sources. these are not assertions. we're giving you facts and conclusions based on solid intelligence. >> reporter: then secretary of state powell made a case in front of the u.n. security council arguing that iraq posed a grave threat to the world because, he said, they had weapons of mass destruction. the following month the u.s. invasion began. the war lasted more than eight years. no weapons of mass destruction ever turned up. >> i reget it now because the information was wrong. >> reporter: after four years as president george w. bush's secretary of state, powell returned to private life. he spent his civilian years empowering youth through his projects, america's promise alliance and the colin powell school for civic and global leadership. >> we're going to go and educate the kids who are most in need. and when i heard their stories, i said i got to get -- this is where i belong. i'm home again. >> reporter: general colin powell, a leader and a patriot, who devoted a lifetime to service. >> and joining me right now for more on this is retired u.s. army general dana bethard and jamie gangel. general, as wolf lays out, powell was the first african-american and youngest chairman of the joint chiefs of staff. he was also the first african-american secretary of state. a complicated great american story. what is your reaction to the news today? >> oh, it's obviously very, very sad. i've gotten more emails and calls from friends and colleagues. general powell was a towering figure. i first met him in germany with my corps commander. i was a young captain. and just meeting him was such an honor at the time. and i got to meet him and talk with him on different occasions since then, but obviously he was a person who was a trail blazer in so many ways, whether it was as a national security adviser in the reagan administration to being the first african-american chairman of joint chiefs of staff under president george h.w. bush and president clinton and then becoming the secretary of state under george w. bush. >> what did he mean to black soldiers? >> i think it's what did he mean to all soldiers but especially soldiers of color, because when you looked at someone like general powell, you thought, yeah, maybe i can do that too. but he was never afraid to reach back. i remember when he was a one-star general at ft. leavenworth, kansas. he noted there was nothing honoring the buffalo soldiers, so that's one thing he pushed for, and that was in the, you know, the early 1980s, and by 1992 there was a monument to the buffalo soldiers. and he went there and spoke himself. in fact, my godfather, my uncle, a former buffalo soldier, escorted him there. again, i got to meet him at that time also. but he was a trail blazer. let's not forget that there would have been -- america wouldn't have known colin powell if it hadn't been for back in i think the carter administration, secretary of the army clifford alexander, the first african-american secretary of the army. when the general officers' list came out in the late 1970s, he made a comment and said, wait a minute, is there no one of color who could be a general officer? and then on the next list, there were a couple, including then colonel colin powell. diversity and inclusion and having someone who could champion that was very, very important. >> jamie, you've covered general powell extensively throughout the years. robert draper last year, a profile on powell, wrote how he mournfully predicted to others that his obituary's first paragraph would include his authorship of the u.n. speech is how draper put it, right? it's one thing to have read that when that profile, which was very interest, came out, but rereading it this morning it hits so differently. such an amazing american story, a complicated one. >> absolutely. but i think what may be most important about that complicated time when he made the speech to the u.n. in favor of wmds is what he did afterwards. he came out and he said i made a mistake. that's the kind of leadership and leader that colin powell was. i think i met him first day on the job in the reagan administration as national security adviser. as the general just said, he really was -- we talk about people being larger than life, impressive, towering figures. he was all that. he was very charismatic. he also had an easy way about him, a smile. he knew how to connect with people so that very first time i met him, i knew that this was someone who was special and was going to go to big places. i just want to point out one thing. a couple years ago i did an interview with him. it was actually for a documentary about former president bush 41, and we were talking about the lead-up to desert storm. and i think it says a lot about how he felt in the army. and he said, quote, that he was the reluctant general, i'm always the reluctant general because i don't like war. if we can avoid war, we avoid war. it has terrible consequences. that said, he was also the kind of general who, when diplomacy didn't work, he knew what his mission was and he was intent on filling that mission. >> you know, general, i remember james talking about what kind of sticks with you in meeting and covering and interviewing general powell. i remember interviewing him once on the anniversary of -- on an anniversary of september 11th in the fields of shanksville, pennsylvania, and asking him before we began the interview just simply if you prefer i call him secretary or general. and he said he's always a general first. and that's always -- i think that was in 2009, and that is just -- that perspective from him has always kind of stuck with me. what do you think that he meant in saying that? >> well i think he was proud to serve our country. and to his heart, to his soul, he was a soldier at his core. and he could relate to soldiers really of all ranks. i agree what was just said as being so relatable to people. and he could explain things well as far as a fission and he'd want to follow it. the 13 examples he put out. an example was never have a position where you are so invested that you don't have perspective to it. i've never forgotten that. also the powell doctrine, the use of overwhelming force. if we're going to go to war, we need to go to war to win. all those things just stick with you. >> let me play for everyone what defense secretary lloyd austin said just this morning about his passing. >> the world lost one of the greatest leaders that we have ever witnessed. alma lost a great husband, and the family lost a tremendous father. and i lost a tremendous personal friend and mentor. he has been my mentor for a number of years. he always made time for me. and i could always go to him with tough issues. he always had great counsel. we will certainly miss him. i feel as if i have a hole in my heart. >> general pittard, what do you think the lessons are of general powell that you hope any young military officer with carry with them? >> first of all, that was very heartfelt comments from general austin, who i know well, on general powell. general powell's legacy is that he came from very humble beginnings. his family emigrated from jamaica, and he was raised in new york city. and with grit, determination, you can do anything. and he was an example of that. in his autobiography, "my american journey," he talked about that. doing the right thing always. and he was such a trail blazer, i think that is helpful not to just people of color but all americans, because his story is an american story, an american success story. >> absolutely. general pittard, than for being here. ja jamie, thank you as always for your great reporting. if you can stick with me, we have more to come. as we mentioned off the top, general colin powell's death is sure to raise more questions about his health. and let me bring in right now to get perspective on this, as we know from the family he died of complications they said of coronavirus. professor of emergency medicine and associate dean of public health at brown university joins us. doctor, the statement from the family said he was fully vaccinated, died of complications of coronavirus, and importantly we have now learned he was battling multiple myeloma. what do people need to know about, this how this cancer could have played into his death? >> thank you, kate. first, my condolences to the family and of course to our entire nation on his unexpected death. i think it's really important for us as we talk about his death and the fact that it was from complications of covid-19, to reframe that vaccination discussion. what we need to know is that multiple myeloma is a horrible blood cancer, the treatment of which requires you to become immunosuppressed. we've known for months the vaccines do not work as well, if they work at all, in people who are immunosuppressed. this is why we've been calling for boosters for those people and the fdary approved those ba in august. this is why it's so important for us to get vaccinated because those with healthy immune systems, when we get vaccinated, help to stop the spread of covid-19, thereby protecting people like general powell, who no doubt was infected by someone else, possibly someone who had not gotten the vaccines, so the take-away is not that the vaccines don't work but rath they're we know tho that they don't work for a small group of our population, and general powell was unfortunately one of those. >> i think this is so important because this is something i know sanjay gupta has been hitting on so much, which is it is about protecting yourself but also about protecting those who cannot be protected right now. speak to what this means. he's fully vaccinated, but when you are dealing with something as horrible as blood cancer like he was, what that does to your body. the vaccine just can't work because your body is depleted in its ability to fight. >> that's exactly right. so with multiple myeloma where you have this proliferation of cancerous blood cells, the treatment for it is a variety of different things ranging from chemo to steroids to a bone marrow transplant that could require you to be on immunosuppressants for life. each of those treatments along with the cancer itself means your body is not going to be able to mount the normal immune response that healthy people are able to create. and, again, this is where that concept of herd immunity or of protecting your community matters so much. it is for people like him. it is for people who have cancer and are undergoing chemo, and it's of course for our children who can't yet be vaccinated that it's so important that the rest of us show up and get our vaccines. >> also, dr. ranney, general powell was already in a high of risk group, being 84 years old, even without the cancer we're speaking with. >> that's exactly right. throughout the pandemic, we know the elderly have been more likely to get severe covid-19, to be hospitalized and to die, then when you add on to the fact of it he was immunosuppressed and had blood cancer, people who are imknew no suppressed have as much as five times the risk of hospitalization and death than people who aren't. he had multiple factors going that made the disease so much more dangerous for him i'm curious what treatments he got, if he received monoclowe cal antibodies, but this thing touted as physicians as a cure may not have been enough once he got the disease. >> reinforcing the need to be vaccinated for yourself and for everyone around you. thank you, dr. ranney. more to come. 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extremely closely. the state department says that they are in regular contact with haitian authorities over this. and i was told last night by a senior administration official that the united states still doesn't know where exactly these americans are right now. they were taken hostage when they were leaving an orphanage where they were doing work in haiti. of course it's important to note that hostage problems have been ongoing in haiti for the last year. it's one of the reasons that the state department travel advisory tells americans do not travel to haiti. but we also know that this has been an increasing problem in recent months. there is an organization in haiti that did some research showing that there was a 300% increase in hostages taken just since july of this year. kate? >> kylie, thank you for that update. let me bring in the former prime minister of haiti for more on this. mr. prime minister, thank you for being here. what do you know of this gang? >> well, it's been operating for several years. you know, it's a very dangerous gang. and they've had several kidnappings before. it's a complicated and difficult situation today. >> as kylie said, kidnappings and hostage taking in haiti seems out of control at the moment even before this weekend. would you say that's the case, it's out of control, and why? >> the spiral of violence has been unprecedented. what's happening in haiti, it's a compounding effect of the united nations had a military component, a military force for over 14 years, spent over $14 billion, and left in 2019, creating a new security void. they trained the police and the police is 16,000 police officers and is not really equipped to fight off the type of gang activity, the type of gang warfare that's going on right now in haiti. so there is a void for a military presence in haiti, which is not the case today. it's favoring the gangs and it's favoring violence. >> so, i mean, you're kind of getting at it. what is needed to get this under control? i mean, bring some safety and some security to a nation that is struggling with so much from natural disasters to the assassination of the president. >> for sure. the assassination of the president left a legitimacy issue, so there is a political problem to be solved through elections. there has to be a legitimate government to deal with gang warfare and issues through legitimacy. there is definitely on the short term assistance needed to the police with equipment, supplies, even manpower to fight off the gangs on the short term. but on the long run, haiti needs to re-establish its military. so the military, the police having a strong force, fighting together against these gangs and also stop the deportations of criminals for a certain period of time, because haiti is receiving over 100 criminals from -- that are being deported from the u.s. back to haiti, and the country simply cannot afford to receive any more of them. it's creating -- you know, it's reinforcing the gangs and it's creating a very, very fragile security situation making it even worse. >> i was actually going to ask you, because if you were in your old position, you would be speaking with the biden administration. and what would you ask of president biden right now? you do think there is a direct link between those being deported from the united states as we saw those dramatic pictures at the southern border back to haiti, do you think there is a connection to these gangs? >> oh, no, it's not the migrants. it's mostly the criminals, the hardened criminals that are sent back after being in jail. it's full of criminals going back to haiti on top of the migrants. what's going to happen is the gangs are making the country unlivable. when the country is unlivable, we see the immediate effect, professionals are leaving haiti in very high numbers, the brain drain is getting even worse. so what i would ask president biden, if i was in office, i would ask him, one, reinforce, you know, 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you might have your own theory. but maybe it's better to just let it go. right now donald trump is being deposed. trump is facing a growing list of civil lawsuits now that he is out of office. kara scannell is live outside trump tower in new york with much more on this. kara, what are you learning about what's happening right now? >> reporter: well, kate, this video deposition was set to begin at 10:00, so it should be about 90 minutes under way. this all relates to a case involving an alleged assault that took place just behind me outside of trump tower in 2015. a few men were protesting some of donald trump -- then a candidate for president -- some of his anti-immigration rhetoric. according to the lawsuit, trump's chief security officer allegedly assaulted the man, hitting one of them in the head. this lawsuit has been going on since 2015. in 2019, a new york judge said that the former -- or the current -- the former president's testimony was indispensable to this lawsuit. but it had been delayed because he was still in office. that brings us to today, this morning, 90 minutes ago this got under way. as you said, this is one of many civil lawsuits that's facing the former president. and it's not the only deposition he will be giving. a judge in another case, the defamation lawsuit brought by the former apprentice con contestant, a deposition will take place in that case by the end of the year. there are many other civil litigations ongoing involving a bunch of investors in a company suing the former president and his family members alleging that they promoted this, what they called a multilevel marketing scheme. there's also mitigation involving january 6th insurrection, the 2020 election, and these ongoing criminal investigations as well, kate. >> kara, thank you so much for that. shan woods joins me now. a couple fascinatings a pengts to this talking about this deposition under way, chief among them, how do you depose someone who lies all the time? even when caught in a lie, continues to lie. >> the best way to deal with a lying witness is to get very clear and lock them into their lies. so it's a fiction that you're going to break that like in some tv series or movie. you want to really be clear, lock them in so that lie is completely boxed in and that opens them up for sanctions later or you can use that lie to confront them when they tell a different story. >> this deposition could come back to haunt him. do you think that's the case and why? >> absolutely. it will come back to haunt him for what we were just discussing for those reasons, because he'll be locked in under oath in deposition and be hard-pressed to change it later, and say i didn't say that, which he likes to tell the big lie. also it can open doors in related cases as well, particularly in this body guard aspect. it's a little bit of an analogy to what kind of communications, what kind of directions would he give to his body guards similar to what kinds of communications giving about the january 6th insurrection. >> he's been deposed before, december 2015 was one of them, part of the lawsuit over trump university. at the time, i remember the reporting on this much later, he said he didn't recall 35 times, and he had this exchange with the attorney questioning him. >> did i use that expression? >> yes. >> where? can i see? i can play video of you. >> did i say i have a great memory or one of the best in the world? >> one of the best in the world is what the reporter quoted you as saying. >> i mean, i don't remember that. as good as my memory is, i don't remember that. but i have a good memory. >> you don't remember saying that? >> i don't remember that. >> if that's how trump operates this time, what can be learned if he can't recall anything? >> if he consistently takes that position, the way to go at him is through other documentation of what he said -- memos, other people's testimony, email, things he can't really go against other than to claim he 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have to get everybody at the table. you have to talk about your concerns. companies wanted to make sure they would have the kind of support they would need so the consumers would have confidence in the battery and be able to fortify the vehicles. let me hear exactly what joe manchin is saying. we understand what his issues are because nobody, including his state of west virginia, mine of michigan, global climate is real. the flooding, the hurricanes, the wildfires are destroy manager of the communities we live in. we've got to do something about it. i don't believe that joe manchin doesn't know we have to do something. >> one thing -- one area where there is no speculation, though, is kind of the big move, what's happening now between bernie sanders and joe manchin. i mean, last week bernie sanders took this -- and when it comes to politics, it's an aggressive step of writing an op-ed in one of joe manchin's hometown papers to make the case for the bigger plan. and manchin was very clearly not happy about it. he put out a statement saying he's not going to take orders from, as he put it, an out-of-stater. as you said, not negotiating in the media, is this a smart way to negotiate this thing, the way this is being handled between joe manchin and bernie sanders? >> so, let me say i said to a number of my colleagues a couple weeks ago, got a little bit of trouble because some took it personality, we need to stop the sound bites in the media and we need to be in the room looking at each other eye to eye. i don't care where you're from, what state, what district, we all have people that are hurting, that are counting on us. you know, we've been talking about fixing our infrastructure for decades. we are now the equivalent of any third-world country in the world. that's not something we should be proud of. we have to get this done. e aren't going to get it done negotiating through op-eds and sound bites. we have to get in the room and get this done. quite frankly, the president's got to take -- i mean, he's been meeting with us, more meetings this week. we'll talk to him, but he's got to bring this all together. >> this is one thing you said to me last time you were on, that you needed biden to do more, step in, speak to house members especially. is he doing that? >> yes, he is doing far more of that. i was on a call with him last week for a couple of hours. he has met with other members, a number of members, more meetings this week that people will be participating in. and i think that they're going to be very important. we now know what he thinks. now, we all have to have -- everybody's going to have to -- we're talking about programs. everybody likes to get caught up in the minutia of numbers. people are talking about the programs they need for the people back home. we're doing it. now we have to bring it closer. >> thanks for coming on, congresswoman. >> thank you. still ahead for us, video of his death shocked the country. now the three men charged in ahmaud arbery's murder are standing trial. the latest from the courthouse when we return. medicare suppleme plan from unitedhealthcare and get help protecting yourself from the out-of-pocket costs medicare doesn't pay. because the time to prepare is before you go on medicare. don't wait. get started today. call unitedhealthcare for your free decision guide. secretary of state tony blinken to speak. >> we came to the state department after a long and extraordinary career in the u.s. armed forces. he was general powell, former chairman of the joint chiefs when we walked no the office to be sworn in as our nation's top diplomat. after that, he was mr. secretary. he gave the state department the very best of his leadership. his experience, his patriotism. he gave us his decency, and the state department loved him for it. secretary powell trusted the career workforce here. he empowered them. he made sure that the desk officer who knew a particular country or issue most deeply was the one who got to brief him or the president. he told his staff that they didn't need to worry about getting the fancy lunches, hamburgers and hot dogs were just fine. when he hopped on to the elevator, he would pull others on with him. he didn't bother with formalities and he wasn't overly concerned with hierarchy either. he wanted to hear from everyone. he walked around the building, dropping into offices unannounced, asking what people needed, making sure they knew he was counting on them. secretary powell was simply and completely a leader, and he knew how to build a strong and united team. he treated people the way he expected them to treat each other, and he made sure that they knew he would always have their back. the result was that his people would walk through walls for him. secretary powell's career in the u.s. military is legendary. as a teenager at the city college of new york not far from where we grew up in the south bronx he joined rotc and after graduation became an army overs. for 35 years he was a professional soldier. he started in the infantry, served two tours in vietnam, was stationed in south korea and west germany and oversaw operation desert storm in iraq. by the time he retired from the military, he was arguably the most respected and celebrated american in uniform. at that time he received his second presidential medal of freedom, this time from president clinton who said at the medal ceremony today a grateful nation observe the end of a distinguished career and celebrates 35 years of service and victory, a victory for the united states military that gave young colin powell a chance to learn and to grow and to lead, a victory for the military and political leaders who continue to elevate him based on their complete confidence and sheer respect, a victory for a nation well served, and in a larger sense a victory for the american dream, for the principle that in our nation people can rise as far as their talent, their capacities, their dreams and their discipline will carry them. after that career, colin powell could have enjoyed a quieter life, maybe dedicating himself full-time to the organization he founded, america's promise, to help young people from underrepresented communities like the one where he grew up. instead, he started a new career in diplomacy, and i believe secretary powell's years as a soldier are what made him such an exceptional diplomat. he knew that war and military action should always be a last resort, and to make that so we need our diplomacy to be as robust and well resourced as possible. he called for increased funding for state which then, as now was just a fraction of the pentagon's budget. he modernized the state department, putting a computer on every desk, and he believed deeply that america was an exceptional nation, that we could and should lead with confidence and humility and that the world was safer when the united states was engaged and its allies and partners were united. future military leaders and diplomats will study colin powell's work like the powell doctrine that hammered out criteria for when and how the united states should use force and his support for expeditionary diplomacy, diplomats and military working together to bring stability to high-threat environments. he was a man. ideas, but he wasn't ideological. he was constantly listening, learning, adapting. he could admit mistakes. it was just another example of his integrity. as is probably evident by now, i was a huge admirer of secretary powell's. i always will be, and he was very generous with me. this past of fourth of july we spent a few precious hours together talking about the state department, discussing all the challenges we're confronting around the world. two things were clear. secretary powell's depth of knowledge about world events was unmatched, and he loved the state department and warranted it to thrive. so today is a sad day for us here at state, especially for all those who worked for and with secretary powell and will never forgot the experience. our thoughts are with alma powell and the entire family today, to everyone who loved him. colin powell dedicated his extraordinary life to public service because he never stopped believing in america, and we believe in america in no small part because it helped produce someone like colin powell. thank you, mr. secretary. >> secretary of state tony blinken and his reaction to the passing of the former secretary of state colin powell. jamie gangel is still with me. jamie, thank you for sticking around. >> sure. >> as we heard from the secretary right there. what did you think of his remarks? he was simply and completely a leader. >> absolutely correct, and also i thought it was very important that he talked about general powell even though he became secretary of state, you heard secretary blinken say we still called him general powell. his lack of formality, hamburgers and hot dogs were fine. if he was getting in an elevator he would pull other people in with him. i remember there was a story a couple of years ago, i think it was in 2019, he was actually on his way to a doctor's appointment at walter reed, and he got a flat tire, and for people who have known colin powell over the years, i think the thing he liked the best in life was actually fixing cars. he would have friends bring cars over to fix in his driveway, but he got a flat tire on the beltway, and someone stopped to help him, and when he got to his appointment he posted a note on facebook or social media and said thank the person for stopping, and he said these words, kate. he said let's just take care of each other, and i think that speaks -- that whole picture speaks to who colin powell was, and i think secretary blinken captured that. >> what with a wonderful anecdote and story about -- i mean, as he said, it seemed, as you put it, despite the enormous titles and positions that he had, the enormous impact that he's had on american policy for decades now, just that he was a man who did not forgot himself tore seems didn't take himself too seriously. >> i -- i think the word self-deprecating comes to mind. i remember the very first time i met him. he never said he was from new york city. he said he was from the bronx, and he was the first to say he went to -- he didn't go to west point. his grades weren't great. he went to city university of new york, and the fact that he could make it, rise toni the position of joint chiefs and that he went from the stoops of the bronx to a city school that you could make it. >> absolutely. jamie, thank you, as always. >> sure. >> for being here. we are waiting to hear also from president biden himself. we have seen many statements coming in from former secretaries of state as well, fo former president george w. bush and after that let me hand it off to my colleague john king. "inside politics" begins right now. hello, everybody, and welcome to "inside politics." i'm john king in washington. thank you for sharing this day with us. we begin this hour with sad breaking news and a most painful reminder of are our pandemic reality. colin powell has died of covid complications. general powell, secretary powell, was 84. he was a trailblazer whose public service spanned four decades, the first african-american to sever as national security adviser, then the first african-american chairman of the joint chiefs of staff and then the first african-american secretary of state. as america's top general he was the architect of an overwhelming victory over saddam hussein's iraq in the first persian gulf war but then a dozen years later as america's top diplomat secretary of state powell was a critical sal