♪ good morning to our viewers here in the united states and all around the world. it is tuesday, october 5th. i'm john berman with brianna keilar. on this "new day," from gallows to gaslight. developing overnight, mike pence, history boy. he was in the middle of history on january 6th, the day insurrectionists were chanting, "hang mike pence." they were yelling to kill him in order to overthrow an election. donald trump and the rioters wanted him to unilaterally defy the election results. mike pence refused to upend democracy that day, though he had to run it by dan quayle first. that is the history, known to all who saw it and all those who have written on it, including bob woodward and robert costa's "in peril." in a historical and moral contortion, mike pence is trying to redirect the blame for the insurrection. >> i know the media wants to distract from the biden administration's failed agenda by focusing on one january. they want to use the one day to try to demean the character and intentions of 74 million americans who believed we could be strong again and prosperous again and supported our administration in 2016 and 2020. >> pence telling it like it isn't. again, from gallows to gaslight. the media wasn't chanting, "hang mike pence." the insurrectionists were. the people there to overturn the results of an election, to ignore the will of 81 million voters, and do worse to him. >> hang mike pence! hang mike pence! hang mike pence! hang mike pence! hang mike pence! hang mike pence! >> pence goes on to talk about his relationship with trump. >> you can't spend almost five years in a political fox hole with somebody without developing a strong relationship. you know, january 6th was a tragic day in the history of our capitol building. but thanks to the efforts of capitol hill police, federal officials, the capitol was secured. we finished our work. the president and i sat down a few days later and talked through all of it. i can tell you that we parted amicably. >> what part of all this do you think they called through exactly? how trump wanted to use pence as the centerpiece for his attempted coup? maybe they talked about what trump said at the steel rally. >> mike pence is going to have to come through for us. if he doesn't, that will be a sad day for our country. >> maybe they talked through the tweet that trump sent during the breach of the capitol during the breach, where trump said that pence didn't have the courage to protect the country. >> joining us now, senior media reporter oliver darby and political commentator esse cupp. this was a probable for the capitol building on january 6th. >> it is grading to me, the way he continues to talk about january 6th as if it happened to him or, like, around him. as if he wasn't a part of how we got here. look, the people who got up that day and chose violence, right, chose to commit a crime at the capitol, did so for donald trump, but there was a whole apparatus that got those people there. the apparatus included some republican lawmakers, some right-wing media, and mike pence was part of that apparatus, too. so it's very con nfounding to watch him deflect and act as if this was an event in history that he was removed from. >> it was a media problem. >> what isn't, really, today? i mean, if you ask a republican, it's all our fault. we've done it all. >> when all else fails, at attacking the media is the easiest thing for these guys p. obviously, pence has no other way to explain this away, so he pift pivots in the interview with hannity. hannity is used to attacking the press, and they both seem to use that as a way to move on. >> the record is what the record is. as i said, the history is the history. it doesn't matter, to an extent, what he says about january 6th for january 6th's sake. it matters for now. it matters for what is being done with it now in going forward, s.e. why does this matter? >> first, the whole thing sounds a little delusional. not just the way he talks about january 6th but parting amicably with the president. the president has been trashing him. he might be saying, we're in a good place, but, per usual, the loyalty flows one way. trump is not returning the favor. you have to wonder, if mike pence is trying to stay on trump's good side -- well, you have to be there to begin with, which he is not. what is this for? does he want to raise money? does he want influence? does he think he's running for president one day? there are no natural mike pence voters. there are those who felt betrayed, like me. some loyalists won't ever trust mike pence. who is clamoring for more mike pence? this strategy, if you can call it one, makes very little sense to me. >> that's why he is on "hannity," right? he is courting those folks that he doesn't, as you say -- who is the con tstituency here. he is trying. but in a logical world, what would happen is trump would apologize to pence, right, because of what happened. >> you mean on earth. >> here on earth. >> earth one, not earth two. >> on earth two, it's the other way. it is mike pence, as so many republicans who decided to break with donald trump a little bit around the insurrection, he's now sucking up. he's on the full suck up mode. >> right. what he's saying actually does make some sense if you watch right-wing media. in right-wing media, january 6th wasn't an insurrection. it has been portrayed as, you know, people just going to the capitol, seeing things, and police taking selfies with the protecters or, you know, that's how it is being portrayed in right-wing media. so for him to go on there and downplay it makes sense if he does want that future in republican politics. whether he actually has one, you know, i tend to agree with s.e. i don't see who the natural mike pence voters are. but it seems he is trying to court them on sean hannity's show. >> he doesn't have to go on "hannity." he can retreat and retire to private life and, pretend in his own mind, he wasn't involved in any of this. he is actively pursuing the spotlight again and, again, i'm not sure why. >> what bothers me most is bigger than mike pence. if you say it didn't happen the way we saw it happen, if you say it doesn't matter that it happened, then what you're saying is it is okay if it happens again. >> right. >> that's my biggest concern right now. everyone is dumbing down history so much, you are creating a permission structure for this to happen again. >> for sure. most infuriatingly about mike pence and why he is a disappointing character in this is he is trying to split the baby. he has said this was a very dark day. >> in the building. >> right, right. in american history. he has lamented what happened. he said he was proud to certify joe biden as president. so he is trying to kind of have it both ways. acknowledging what a lot of trump voters are talking about will not, which is what happened that day. i'm not really sure what the master plan is. he is constantly contradicting himself. >> if you pay attention to the right-wing media world, after january 6th, there was a lot more -- in the immediate wake, there was a lot more okay permission structure to say that this was not good and condemn these people. but over the past, what, ten months, it has really been watered down. what happened has sort of -- you're watching tucker karcarls some of the programs, it's been whitewashed, what happened on january 6th. now, maybe he's realizing, hey, if i actually do want this future in republican politics, it is no longer acceptable to say what happened on that day. you have to kind of excuse it for, you know -- excuse the insurrectionists. >> it's dangerous. >> they don't care. they've shown no interest in the well-being of the country. they've made up excuse after excuse. it is not a surprise they're not paying to the health of society. >> people fixate on the fact that, like, these people were calling for mike pence to be hanged, right? how can he sort of, you know, reconcile that? if it makes any sense, it's worse. these people were calling for the destruction of american democracy. it wasn't just personal to make it awful, it was awful for the country. that should have been enough reason for mike pence too. >> he knows that. pence knows that. >> he did at one point. >> everyone knows it. >> oliver, s.e., great to see you this morning. in a few hours, facebook's whistleblower, frances haugen, will testify before a senate panel about allegations that facebook knowingly pushes information on its site to make a profit. she also alleges facebook's instagram app harms teenage girls and that the company isn't doing enough to stop it. in her opening statement, haugen writes this. she said, their profit optimizing machine is producing self-hate and self-harm for vulnerable groups like teenage girls. it's been supported by internal research. this is coming with analysis of blumenthal's staff, showing the algorithms promote accounts that glorify eating disorders. joining me now is ian russell. his daughter molly took her own life when she was just 14 years old. ian, first thing here, just tell us a little bit about your beautiful daughter. >> she was beautiful. thank you very much. she was very beautiful. adorable. in many ways, very ordinary. she went to school. did well enough but wasn't super bright. was loving, caring, and couldn't do enough to help other people. >> and so you learned -- i mean, as you have described it, it was a very normal seeming day that ended with family time and her going to bed as usual. after her death, you realized that she'd been consuming a lot of social media. what kind of social media was she consuming? >> well, molly didn't seem to be much of a social media person. she didn't have a facebook account and had deleted one of her twitter accounts. but what we discovered after her death was that she'd been seeing material on various platforms, grah instagram was one of them, that promoted just being miserable. first of all, she would have seen material that made her feel miserable and hopeless and encourage that sort of depression and anxiety. then, more worringly, she saw material that suggested suicide might be the only way out, which, of course, isn't true. there is always help available. but in this online world, she was confronted with really, really sinister, harmful material that made her think otherwise. >> we should be clear, suicide is very complex. there are often many factors. but the fact that she was consuming this kind of material before her death rings all kinds of alarm bells for you as a parent, for any parent watching whose child is on social media and they may not even know it. a facebook spokesperson, ian, didn't comment specifically on this, but facebook, of course, is instagram's parent company. they have said that advertisers don't want their content next to hateful, extreme, or unpleasant content. they say they have no commercial ince incentive, no moral incentive to have this kind of content on their platform. what do you say to that? 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>> you know, that's exactly right. p he was at first reluctant to say anything negative about the way they handled that texas order in an emergency fashion. then when i pressed him on the consequences for women in texas, he finally allowed what you -- i think you have the clip there that you'd like to play. >> in my opinion, what we should have done was we should have issued an injunction and stopped the texas law from taking effect. but the -- that did not command the majority because there were a lot of women who believe they had a right to abortion and that this might discourage or prevent some from doing it. that fits into the procedural law because one of the things you take into account is weighing the equities. that is to say, if you issue an injunction, who will it hurt and how much? if you don't issue an injunction, who will it hurt and how much? and in my own view, it might hurt a large number of women. that's what i wrote. who wish to exercise their constitutional right to have the abo abortion. on the other hand, i didn't think it was of enormous harm to texas to postpone their law. >> brianna, you notice that what he did there was, you know, cloak the nut of his concern, that women in texas have no access to abortion right now, virtually no access the abortion, with a lot of legalese about the injunction, the legal method that was at issue here. and that's kind of his approach. that's what frustrates, i think, some of the people in the audience and some other people who he encounters. is that there is a very different court right now. a 6-3 conservative liberal court. a lot is being changed in the law because of that new dynamic. justice breyer is one of the last liberals, and i think they want a more robust commentary on what is happening in america and what could happen in america. and he will do that sometimes in his opinions, but as he's gone out publicly, he's pulled his punches. although, one last thing i do have to mention for you, toward the end of the evening, he did start to acknowledge, yes, i am getting more concerned about the drop in public confidence in the court that's emerged in recent polls. there might be more threat to democracy in america and the rule of law in america. but it's a very tentative message he wants to give out because he mostly wants to talk about the pook. >> yeah. i'm glad you could translate his answer. it was a slow, meandering walk he was taking us on that i know would frustrate a lot of people. thank you, joan. great interview. we really appreciate it. >> thank you. >> i remember sleeping through that class in college. >> right ? 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>> this is probably not the christmas present the former president would want because they're a slog. they're long. they go on for hours. the idea is for a lawyer to try to get one little nugget to be able to use later on in court. to try to pin you down on something here. in the past, as we just talked about, the president, the former president has been sort of skillful in bobbing and weaving his way around. his technique is to deny, deny, deny every allegation against him. that will be hard here because he is under oath. but they are a slog. it's not fun. they might be fun for lawyers. it was fun for me to do them. but the whole idea here is to try to get something that will be able to be used in the actual case against them. this is a case about defamation, so the whole point is about his intent. did he know that his claim that nothing happened whatsoever was false when he made it? that's what summer zervos' lawyer will try to get out of it. >> this is how trump behaves in a deposition. we have some tape of that. >> do you believe you have one of the best memories in the world? 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>> translator: i respect women's rights. if i didn't respect women, you wouldn't be standing here, he says. would you have given permission if they asked? of course, he says. previous protests have met a similar fate. on the streets, the consequences of one recent demonstration can still be seen. at almost every beauty sasalon, images of women's faces have been defaced, as if to erase them from public life completely. women are scared to appear on camera. i asked them about posters outside. who did it? the taliban did it? >> yeah. >> reporter: the taliban came and drove away the protesters, then they cursed us and said to remove the posters, they tell me. they told us to put on a burka and sit in our homes. but this city is full of brave women who refuse to do that. this activist and mother of five says she was forced to become a taxi driver when her husband was murdered one year ago, leaving behind his car but little else. tell me a little bit about how life has changed for you since the taliban took power. >> translator: a lot of changes. too many. i >> i'm sorry. i'm sorry. >> reporter: it's okay. take your time. it's okay. >> translator: since the taliban regime has come to power, it has become very difficult. >> reporter: she offers to take us for a ride. it's another small act of courageous resistance. while the taliban have not officially banned women from driving, she says she has received threats and that the militants hit her car two weeks ago as a warning. i see the men. they stare at you. they look at you. >> yeah, yeah. >> reporter: it's not lodng before she picks up fare. usually, she prepares to take women and stay in areas she's familiar with. are you aware of the risks that you're taking when you go out every day and do your work? >> translator: yes, yes. in some places where i see taliban checkpoints, i'm forced to go through a street or change my route. but i accepted this risk for the sam sake of my children. >> reporter: on the other side of town, an english teacher is also working hard to give her students a better future. the past year has not been easy. in may, a horrific bombing targeted the school where she teaches, taking more than 80 innocent lives. so you were here when the explosions happened? >> yes, i was in front of the door. >> reporter: you were in front of the door. did you see it with your own eyes? >> yes, yes. i saw a very huge explosion in front of the other door. >> reporter: incredibly, the school reopened, but weeks later, the taliban swept to power and announced that, for the time being, from 6th through 12th grade, only boys should come to school. it's just very striking, that a bomb was not able to stop these girls from coming to school. now the taliban has been able to stop them from coming to school. >> yes, it's true. every day, i see taliban in the streets. i be afraid. >> reporter: but you're still coming here every day. you're still teaching. >> yes. what should we do? what should we do? it's just the thing we can do for our children, for our daughters. >> reporter: in the fifth grade classroom, the girls are excited to test their english skills. >> hi! >> i want you to raise your hand if you love school. wow. everybody loves school. >> reporter: this may well be the last year they get to come and study, yet they are still full of hope for the future. raise your hands and tell me what you want to be when you grow up. what do you want to be? >> doctor. >> reporter: okay. who else wants to be a doctor? oh, wow, we have a lot of doctors. this 16-year-old used to have dreams, too. she wanted to be a dentist. the explosion at her school left her with serious injuries. but she was brave enough to go back for the sake, she says, of her close friend who could not. >> translator: i felt that i must go back and study for the peace of her soul. i must study and build my country so that i can make her wishes and dreams come true. >> reporter: so right now you cannot go to school. how does that make you feel? >> translator: i feel all my dreams are crushed and buried. for i won't be allowed to go to school and study. all my motivation is completely gone. >> reporter: it's okay. take a minute. it's okay. if you want to stop, we can stop. it's okay. >> translator: no. the taliban are the people who -- they are the cause of the situation i am in right now. my spirit is gone. my dreams are buried. >> reporter: and, yet, recently, she has started to read her books again and study a little bit every day. just one more small act of great courage. >> small act of great courage, but such a heartbreaking environment there, clarissa. i understand the taliban just announced a number of new appointments, and none of them were women, correct? >> reporter: that's right. i mean, they are facing a huge amount of pressure, john, from the international community. it is not a good look in 2021 to actively refuse to allow girls to have the right to be educated. and so there has been a huge amount of pressure. to show that they are more pragmatic, to have a more inclusive government. yet, here we are, another round of appointees to the new transitional government announced, and not a single woman among them. i think it is very telling. what's so interesting, you know, you think of that image, john, early on in the piece of the protest. four women standing silently, holding signs. and you see dozens of heavily armed men pouring in to try to deal with this alleged threat. what does that say about the taliban as a group and how threatened they are by women and their inability to sit down and have a conversation with them? they are savvy enough to know they vonshouldn't be issuing directives, saying this is banned. they couch it in language, it is a temporary measure. we're waiting until we can create the appropriate islamic environment. but this has nothing to do with islam. we see other countries like bangladesh, pakistan, who have had female leaders. this is an issue of a group, a fundamentalist group, that simply does not know how to sit down and have a conversation with these women. and one other thing i just want to had at the end, these women are not victims, the women we saw. they need support, but they are strong and they are brave and they are out there every day fighting to keep that hard-earned public space that they have been able to claim over the last couple of decades, john. >> they are strong. they are brave. but, clarissa, the image that will stick in my mind, a young girl crying to you because she wants to learn. clarissa ward, wonderful report. thank you for shining a light on this. come ing up, behind the sces story about the former first lady's controversial jacket. and why donald trump's former press secretary is worried about the future. a russian crew headed to space as a "star trek" captain prepares for his own voyage. >> scottie, beam me up. listerine® cleans virtually 100%. helping to prevent gum disease and bad breath. never settle for 25%. always go for 100. bring out the bold™ i've always dreamed of seeing the world. but i'm not chasing my dream anymore. i made a financial plan to live it every day. ♪ ♪ find a northwestern mutual advisor at nm.com it is the seventh largest jackpot in u.s. lottery history. just in, someone in california who went grocery shopping has the winning ticket. the powerball worth nearly $700 million with a cash value of nearly $500 million. we're told six other tickets worth $1 million or so were sold in several other states. congratulations to my best friend in california. 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