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Milley, contacted china to calm fears about trump. Treason, cried the righteous senators on the right. He does need to resign. He needs to resign, if he doesnt resign, ehe needs to be fired. He should be immediately relieved of his duties. This is a constitutional violation. Its a violation of his oath to the constitution but it also is treacherous. Because he went outside. He did it alone. He was on his own. He went rogue. And it was all a lie. The next day, we learned General Milley had told people, had done it the right way, had others in the room, sent out different briefings on it to the intel community. And people like me reported that to you, but the trumpers and the Oppthe Opportunityists Esper knew at the time Acting Secretary Of Defense miller after him was told Chief Of Staff mark meadows told secretary of Secretary Of State pompeo told milley confirmed all of it at a senate hearing. Yet nobody, none of those people said anything when he was being attacked. Here was milley zeroed the calls on 30 october and 8 january were coordinated before and after with Secretary Esper and acting secretary millers staffs and the interagency. I am certain that President Trump did not intend to attack the chinese, and it is my directed responsibility, and it was my Directive Responsibility by the secretary to convey that intent to the chinese. My task at that time was to deescalate at secretary of defense espers direction. Eight people sat on that call. With shortly after my call ended with general lee, i personally informed both Secretary Of State pompeo about the call among other topics. Somehow we have two problems. Why didnt hawley apologize to milley at the Senate Armed Services Committee Hearing . He was there. He had it wrong. He called for the guy who said it was treason. He said he had to resign. Why didnt they call Secretary Of State pompeo . Secretary esper . Chief of staff meadows and miller . Dont they want to know why these guys didnt reveal that they knew . They were closer to the president than milley. And does anybody really believe that these senators had no idea in the Incestuous Trumpy world that these other guys didnt know what milley was doing . They hadnt been told after they started Making Accusations . You dont think anybody clued them in . Instead, they just jumped to conclusions, dragged milley through the mud knowing that he followed protocol. And Secretary Of State pompeo, he was even worse. He was told directly by milley, says the general, and then pretended he didnt know anything. Listen. Unconstitutional incomprehensible and out of line. We need to get to the bottom of this as quickly as possible. If General Milley called and told the Chinese Communist party i promise you, this is deeply inconsistent with his response. What about your responsibility, sir . And dont please. Pompeo is a stupid trumper. No, he isnt. Top of his class at west point. Everybody whos been around him talks about his intelligence. Its like people calling senator ted cruz dumb. Hes not dumb. Hes a legal genius. Senator hawley was a Supreme Court clerk. These are smart people. Theyre intelligent. Theyre educated. Theyre making political calculations. Pompeo had to know that he knew that everything he just said there and so much more was wrong. The only thing that makes sense is he wanted to see the joint chiefs chairman go down. Doesnt he need to account for his complicity . He knew milley was being set up and said nothing. Give me a good reason, a good reason to bash milley when you knew he did not deserve to be bashed. Now, milley also addressed two other big items. One is a corresponal larry. Pelosi made no secret then or now that she thought trump was mentally unstable and incar was he attempting to Euusurp Authority and submitted all the background information. Now, if miller says thats not true, where is he . If the memos dont exist, where is that . And yet nobody at that hearing was going to tell milley anything about, okay, you did the right thing. Thats the problem with our politics right there. The other big reveal from milley came about the afghanistan exit. He confirmed the military wanted to keep 2,500 or so on the ground to keep intel flowing. Now, why is this important . One, because it didnt happen and its going to make a difference in the state of our national security. Everyone who knows what theyre talking about worries about exactly that. Second, President Biden said he was never told that. Then he added to his recollection. Milley also had an interesting epitaph for the exit. Listen. I think one of the other senators said it very well. It was a logistical success but a strategic failure. What does that mean a logistical success . Because of the amazing evacuation effort. Why did you need to make that effort . Because of how you exited and how you read the situation wrong, and strategically leaving without having anybody on the ground to let us know whats happening, tough to justify that. So two big questions. Why did the right set milley up and what should be done . And what is the final word on what the withdrawal from afghanistan will mean to you here at home . We have a man who knows the terrain in afghanistan and knows the players and political terrain of this hit on milley. Former Trump National security adviser john bolton, author of the room where it happened. Welcome back, sir. Glad to be with you. Nang thanks for having me. You were on tv right after the election warning about the same types of things that milley was worried about. Tell us, why were you concerned . Well, i think it had become increasingly clear that trump was so fascinated with this notion that he was spinning that the election had been stolen that there were things that he would do we probably none of us would have predicted but in an effort to try and reverse the election. Now, im not saying i foresaw anything like what happened, but i think people were nervous, and i think milley and others were properly nervous too. Its been reported that he and mark meadows and mike pompeo began holding Morning Calls for what was called the landing the plane exercise. Now, that may have been one of those situations you mentioned a moment ago where milley said he spoke with meadows and pompeo, i dont know. But i was sure he was in regular contact with them and i think that was simply a very prudent thing to do. After hearing his testimony and the reporting, do you have any question as to whether he followed the proper protocols and bringing people in the loop and otherwise . If somebody has different evidence, let him bring it forward. I havent heard anything from anybody who knows how this works at that level, and there are a lot of people talking about it who obviously dont have the slightest idea how it works. I havent heard anybody say anything to the contrary. One key point mentioned apparently in woodward and costas book, then Secretary Of State defense, motivated by Intelligence Reports that the chinese leadership worried that in this kind of chaotic environment they saw, they might be subject to a wagthedogstyle attack. Esper and milley both concluded absolutely correctly that if the chinese leadership is in that kind of mood, they could make a miscalculation. They could also believe that we were in disarray, and they might seek to take advantage of it. So the notion that the rough a number of Different Levels that the you asked government would communicate to china dont misread the situation, take it easy, it would have been a dereliction of duty not to have made those zblaucalls. Two more points. I dont know how meadows and pompeo knew what milley was doing and guys like cruz and rubio didnt know that. You know how close all these players are. You were there. And for them to sit quiet, especially Secretary Of State pompeo when he was told directly, according to General Milley, and say this looks bad, this looks bad, dont you see that as shameful of him . Yeah. Look, in situations where weve made a decision that youre going to have a chairman of the joint chiefs call to his counterpart, and i participated in several of those, you discuss it among the principles of the nsc, informally, phone calls and whatnot, and theres generally agreement and it goes ahead. So i find it very hard to believe that pompeo, meadows, perhaps others, haspel, wouldnt have known about it and concurred with it. So i was stunned a few days ago to hear this interview by mike pompeo that you just played because pompeo had to be reading the same intelligence as milley. And milley told him. Shouldnt pompeo shouldnt meadows, shouldnt miller and esper be put in that same position as milley today and say why didnt you tell us when you heard us making the accusations, why didnt you tell us that you knew that he had done this . And why was it okay for you . Because if it was wrong for milley to do it, it would have been wrong for them in different ways. Shouldnt that be done now . Well, i think i think we know why they havent said it. There are political ambitions at stake. Pompeo is running for president. I think thats pretty clear what about the senators, rubio, hawley. How can have questions for milley and not have them for the people you told that didnt let you know that they knew . Yeah. May i just say, im not sure pompeo would have communicated to those people or mark meadows that milley was calling the chinese because it was so standard operating procedure, so regular order, so by the book, it wasnt a big deal. Yet Pompeo Pretends it could have been wrong and its got to be investigated. I mean, look, its really obvious this was a hit on milley. You got to call it straight and those guys have to answer questions now that they want to see milley answer. Yeah. Look, in politics in washington, we know theres ample ambition. Everybodys got it. No one can deny it. Hopefully theres principle too, and principle ought to outweigh ambition. When in the case of an aspiring president ial candidate ambition comes out on top of principle, its bad news. Youre talking about pompeo. Lets see how he answers for himself. John bolton, thank you very much. Appreciate it. Thanks for having me. We turn from the chaos of the Trump White House. Look, politics is dirty. John bolton is right. Ambition can often come first. But, look, this time in our life is going to be remembered, all right . Politicians are loose with the truth. Not like trump and his crew. People play dirty. Not like what youre seeing right now with milley, okay . They had to know or had reason to know that they were chasing him for going rogue when they had reason to know at least that he didnt go rogue. And youre going to have a guy who was a sitting Secretary Of State say, oh, yeah, this is bad, you got to look at it . Think about what that means. The arrogance that he had to know what was going to come out that he was told, and he played milley that way anyway . Thats who we are now . The Trump White House is one thing. President biden is now there and hes got problems, especially with his economic agenda. Afghanistan is in the rear view mirror. Thats not going to decide the midterms. Whats happening right now, his party has problems. We have a progressive here to tell us why there are these problems and why you look at them he looks like a cleancut guy. But he said he is a hard effing no. Im going along with pelosis plan to put infrastructure first. Why does a guy who looks like he should be Clapping Erasers Say Something that hard about the State Of Play . Lets find out why next. With extra hot sauce. Tonight, ill be Eating Salmon Sushi with a japanese jiggly cheesecake. doorbell rings jolly good. Fire. Horse Neighing elton nas . Yeah . Spare a pound . What . You know, bones, shillings, lolly . Lolly . Bangers and mash . Im. Im sorry . I dont have any money. You dont look broke. Elton my rocket is skint as someone who resembles someone else. I appreciate that Liberty Mutual knows everyones unique. Thats why they customize your Car Insurance, so you only pay for what you need. Oh, yeah. Thats the spot. Only pay for what you need. Liberty, liberty, liberty, liberty have you ever sat here and wondered couldnt i do this from home . With letsgetchecked, you can. Its virtual care with Home Health Testing and more. Letsgetchecked. Care can be this good. Get 40 off with promo code lgc40. Every day can be extraordinary with rich, creamy, Delicious Fage total yogurt. Presidency canceled his trip to chicago tomorrow because he has to get his party on the same page with his economic agenda. It is in jeopardy. This isnt just about robust debate. His race is against the clock as well. Hes got meetings with Senators Manchin and sinema, but on the house side there is almost as many meshuggaas. You have the bipartisan Infrastructure Bill as a stand alone. Now, pelosi is tough and smart and good at this. And yet today she was under fire from liberals for delinking the bill from that larger Reconciliation Social Safety Net Build back better spending plan. My next guess, democratic congressman Jared Huffman of california says hes a hard effing no, and i keep repeating it because the media likes salacious things and he used the f word, so were saying it, because he doesnt want to vote for the bill alone. All respect, congressman. Im just playing with you about being clean cut and looking good. I m i would like to game out the situation. Let you and i be like the Manning Brothers On Monday Night Football who are the biggest gift to that sport and to us since john madden, and diagnose whats going on from two people who understand the game. If you dont vote for the standalone Infrastructure Bill, what do you gain and what do you lose . First, chris, its great to be with you. Let me just say with regard to my word choice, i didnt actually use the fbomb, but saying the word effing, youre a new yorker, so thats like please and thank you. I knew you would understand. In terms of what do we gain and what do we lose, its all about leverage. Its really important for people to understand if we pass that senate bill on thursday, its done. It goes to the president , it becomes law. We give up an enormous amount of leverage. Why is that leverage important . Because we need both parts of the deal that was always the deal. Okay, so wait. Hold on. Congressman, fair point. But lets just take a look at that point. Youre making it sound like opportunity lost. However, you would deliver the largest Infrastructure Bill we have seen in a generation, which would be one more big achievement than President Biden has thus for. So even if the Spending Bill went away, and i dont think theres any good chance of that right now, its about how much and when, that would be a huge win for biden. Thankfully, our choice is not between that senate bill and nothing. The choice is between the full package and, you know, something that needs to be negotiated. So its just not that simple, chris. And the truth is, if we wanted to talk about the details of that senate bill, yeah, we have neglected infrastructure for several decades and there are some good things, the Broadband Investment in particular in that senate bill. But we may be missing our last best chance to do something on the climate crisis, and that senate bill is not only lacking, it would take us backwards. Its fossil fuel business as usual, so we got to have the other half of the deal to make this package climate positive. You need the Spending Bill to balance out the deficiencies in the Infrastructure Bill. Now, that is a novel argument, congressman huffman. What i have heard from the progressives slash, left, liberal, whatever, i dont know what we call them these days, that, oh, no, we finally have the numbers, theyre all popular, we want all of it. Not that it had to be done to make anything correct, but its about advantage. Yeah. On the Social Media Ininvestmen thats correct. But on the climate piece, we always needed to go through the butting reconciliation. You cant do it with Senate Republicans. I wish you could, but if you want it to be bipartisan, there are no Senate Republicans that will take bold action with you. How worried are you that if thursday comes and you guys flex and dont let pelosi get it done that it sends a message of weakness and inability to governor that may haunt you in the midterms. I think confront that Go Messaging Challenge i think there will be many in the media and where else that will pronounce chaos and disarray and failure, but its not. A thursday no vote on the Infrastructure Bill is not the end. Its maybe the end of the beginning. Weve got more work to do to get both pieces of this ready for success, and we will set about doing that work. Nobodys given up. Nobodys walking away. The criticism is that youre hurting biden. Youre making it look like he doesnt control his own party. Something is better than nothing. Perfection should not be the enemy of progress. If you got a 1 trillion Spending Bill instead of 3. 5 trillion, and im not saying thats going to happen, you would be way ahead of the game, trumps big achievement that wasnt about dividing the country was about a tax cut that people didnt even like that wasnt even paid for. And it still wound up benefiting his base. This would be way more than that and you may be jeopardizing it. Gwe dont have to settle for any old something. We can do better than that. The deal that came to us from the president , that came out of the senate to the house was for a lot more than just that one piece. So when folks suggest that we should decouple them, dozens of my colleagues and i feel very strongly, no, thats a terrible idea, deserve original deal. If we have to vote no on a vote thursday we think the counterproductive and shouldnt happen, well do that, but well also roll up our sleeves and get to work. Two more quick things. One, how do you get a sinema and a manchin to the table with this . I dont know senator sinemas posture as well as we know manchins, but threatening him does not seem to be working well. Whats your take . You know, i dont want to threaten him either. I think were going to lean heavily on the president to try to deliver those two senators in particular. I do think were at that particular time where its long past time to talk in generalities about i dont like this number or im not quite there. They have got to show their cards and were going to need the president to lean in and get them to show their cards so we can get this done. Just quickly, do you think theres any chance you guys pass nothing . No. I think we will land this plane, chris, and were going to have plenty of critics and plenty of people wanting to declare failure, but were going to get there. Im not here to hate. I want to understand because this matters what you guys are doing. Congressman Jared Huffman, appreciate you being with us. Thanks for having me. Please come back and let me know the State Of Play. I will. Be well. One point of exception. New yorkers are not like this symbol of crassness and crudeness all the time. Plenty of people use bad language. We didnt create it and we dont own it. We heard from the family of gabby petito today. They had a memorial this weekend that really made you realize what family is about, what loss is about, and how desperate they are to make something purposeful out of ptheir pain. Right now they have turned focus and they want the fiance to turn himself in to the fbi. What about the fiances family . What do we know . What questions must be asked . There is new information that is helping understand where the family was when and then leads to the big question, why, next. Oh are you using Liberty Mutuals Coverage Customizer tool . So you only pay for what you need. Sorry . Limu, youre an animal only pay for what you need. 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It doesnt matter in terms of the potential commission of a crime, but it does go to consciousness of guilt and it does go to what those around him may have known or even done. A County Official tells us he and his family actually stayed at a camp ground together about 75 miles away, about an hour from their north port home between September 6th through the 8th. Camping is what this family does, so this was not a oneoff. The Laundrie Family attorney confirms to cnn that they were there on the 6th and the 7th, but that the family left the campground together. I know theres a lot of speculation about the campground and this and that. I think its a red herring, i dont think its what relevant here. I think the State Of Mind discussion is what matters. Did they return home together . That is a question. I think we know the answer. The account is raising more questions, though, as officials seem to be at an impasse on the search. Two weeks is a long time to evade authorities. We now know that laundries parents have consistently maintained they dont know where he is. Now, have they offered to help . Is that a fair question . Lets bring in joey jackson. Lets start with, look, its not the petito familys job to investigate, to find this guy. Theyre doing this because theyre in pain. Two weeks, joey, is a long time. Yeah, it is. Chris, first, as to the grace of the family, as to the humanity of the family during that press conference, giving their thanks to the fbi, all of Law Enforcement for coming together and dedicating their resources to their child, being so humane, chris, theyre talking about other missing people. We know that its a problem in this country. Over 550,000 people went missing last year, 600,000 the year before. At a moment like that to not make it all about you but to think about what gabbys life meant, i thought it was compelling the preference we saw. As to the activities involving the Laundrie Family, i think you nailed it. It goes to the issue of consciousness of guilt. Is this what you do . Your son comes home after hes traveled around the country with his fiancee, the one he loves, the one hes supposed to protect, the one hes supposed to be with, he comes home without her and what you do is release a Statement Today indicating your concern, indicating your hopes. But would you not have expressed that concern more appropriately if you went to the authorities, if you spoke to the authorities, if you gave the Authorities Information . If instead of going camping, you conferred with Gabby Petitos family as to her whereabouts . As to what you noted at the outset of this, this all goes to that issue of, you know what . You know you didnt do it because maybe you had something to do with it, thats what we all consciousness of guilt, very problematic and troubling. I raise that issue because thats what prosecutors will be using moving forward to establish, you know what . This just does not comport with how a person should act under similar circumstances. My attorney told me not to talk, and what exposure would the family have . So as to one, look, to be clear, and i always tell clients dont speak to anyone. Ive expressed that and ill continue to express that. I know what i said, i dont know what you heard. So when you speak, you get yourself into issues. I get that. Thats one thing. But on the other, why are you releasing a statement talking about how concerned you are and how you know you wish the best . Maybe you can express that wish by activity, by doing something, by communicating with the family, by communicating with the fbi. Dont be disingenuous in releasing a statement with respect to your hopes and wishes if youre not going to back that up with activity. Thats my beef as to the statement that they released. Yeah, i agree with you, except in terms of timing. Now all they can do is put out the statement because this is about pr because theyre getting killed. The time to help was in the beginning. If they knew anything, it was about reaching out to the petito family, going to authorities. It would have been then. I dont know what they can do to help now. If they havent heard from the kid and the kid left his cell phone and all this other stuff, i dont know what they know about investigating that park that the experts wouldnt know, but what they did in the beginning and did not do i think will come back to be a big part of this story. Joey jackson, ill be doing that story with you. Thank you, brother, for helping the audience. Youre always a plus. Thank you, chris. My pleasure. Theres another new tellall book out on the Trump White House. Eye roll. No. I think theres something instructive in it. It was written by the only Trump Press Secretary to never hold a briefing, stephanie grisham. She was there and may have helped clear up a big mystery on that trump hospital visit, you remember . I think we got the answer now and i think it matters, next. Before we talk about taxsmart investing, whats new . Audreys expecting. Twins wed be closer to the twins. Change in plans. At fidelity, a change in plans is always part of the plan. Football, is a game of inches. But its also a game, of information. Because the nfl is connected. And at any moment, the fate of the season can come down to this. Billions of secure connections, per second. When the game is on the line and the game is always on the Line Touchdown the nfl relies on cisco. Who pays more for Prescription Drugs than anyone else in the world . Americans do. And whose tax dollars does big pharma use to develop those same drugs . Thats right. Our tax dollars. Its a big pharma scam. They get rich and we get ripped off. And its why pharma is spending millions on lies and Scare Tactics to stop a plan that lets medicare negotiate lower prices. Congress, stop the big pharma scam. Let medicare negotiate lower prices. Most of the time i dont care why trumpers lie by omission or comission. But we learned something tonight that i think is instructive of a point that should matter to leaders going forward. President trump made this sudden visit to Water Reed Medical Center in 2019 and it spooked us all because they wouldnt tell us. You may recall the speculation on the state of his health. He was 73, clinically obese, heart disease, and the administration would say that they couldnt say. It was routine, planned, interim check, and there was nothing about it that suggested that this was nothing. Trump himself claimed he went there first and foremost to visit a great family of a young man under major surgery, and that it was for phase one of his yearly physical. And he is just not to be believed. So now stephanie grisham, trumps former Press Secretary who notably never met with the press and we got to keep saying that because she was somewhat symbolic of how lousy they did the job there. But she does have details in this new book titled ill take your questions now, which is ironic, right . In the book, grisham heavily implies that trumps trip was for a routine colonoscopy. So what . Thats your big deal and thats the secret you had to know . She doesnt use the term itself. She describes what he underwent as a common procedure during which a patient is put under. She also notes bush 43 got the same one while in office. So bush 43 told us. Why the secrecy . Trump didnt want pence to be in power when he was sedated nor did he want to be the butt, pun intended, of a joke on late night tv. The result . Was it a Health Emergency or did he need to get a marble removed from his nose again . Trump is as healthy as can be. Okay. But how healthy can be be . He is a 73yearold insomniac that eats nothing but fast food who is afraid to go downstairs. They werent the best jokes, but either way he was going to be fodder for late night. Heres why it matters. It is a window into how our former president did not see helping you as important. Why do we want our leaders to say when they get things that you may say is embarrassing, getting a colonoscopy, prostate check, or whatever it is, because when he is open about it, he makes it easier for others to be open and get it done. Imagine how much good could have been done if he had been open about getting what can be a lifesaving procedure, because so many people have a stigma of it like he does. Colon cancer is the number three leading cause of cancerrelated death in the united states. You know what the worst part is . Its also one of the most preventable. You know who knew that . His predecessor. As you know, ive been recommending that americans take precautionary measures for their health, and that people should be screened on a regular basis, particularly those of us over 50, and tomorrow im going to have a colonoscopy at camp david. It is the third such procedure ive had. Some could say every day as spat colonoscopy. He was willing to put it out there so it would make people comfortable to do it themselves. Trumps refusal to promote Public Health would go on to be a major theme throughout the pandemic. The man never put you first. He always took care of himself. He fed animus. He didnt dispel it. Remember, all the living past president s joined up to promote the vaccine. Even though he bragged about bringing the vaccine and said it was the magical panacea. Now its his supporters that are disproportionately paying the price. Now its time to take up the fight. The time has come. Social media is out of control. And it can be under control. Facebook is under fire. We can have freedom of speech. Having the right to speak doesnt make everything you say right. This network, every major media outlet has to think about what it puts out there. Shouldnt facebook and instagram have to as well . Especially when it now looks like theyre trying to profit off kids . Is that fair . And what can they do about it . We have a better mind who was once on the inside of facebook next. Shell say shes got goals. And since shes got goals, she might need help reaching them, and so shell get some help from fidelity, and at fidelity, someone will help her create a plan for all her goals, which means suzie will be feeling so good about that plan, she can just enjoy right now. Thats the planning effect, from fidelity. Priceline works with top hotels, to save you up to 60 . These are all great. And when you get a big deal. You feel like a big deal. Priceline. Every trip is a big deal. 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The Wall Street Journal is out with the latest in a series of report looking at a project facebook launched for preteens, even exploring play dates. It paused instagram for kids, the reporting is the Research Went beyond that one app. Now, this comes as another report comes out from the journal showing facebook has known for years the damage instagram can do to the Mental Health of teens. The question is will our kids finally be the line where we say it is time to police what you put out . Im not saying you have to sensor. Im not saying you ruin the First Amendment but the rest of the media figures out how to do it. Why not you . Our next guest would know. He was an early investor in facebook and the author of z ushlgs uck uckd. Pleasure to be here. Two quick things and id like to pressure you on television to come back because this is a much longer conversation than one segment. Give me your quick take on the reality of what they know about the susceptible of kids to social media and what theiryre trying to do to make money. The problems like facebook and instagram gather data about us not just on their platform but everywhere. Our location from cell phones, our medical tests and prescriptions, credit cards, app use, web browsing, everything and with kids, it starts in third or fourth grade with microsofts mine craft or roblox or fortnight or tiktok or instagram or cell phones and Google Chrome books and never stops and they use this data to predict and manipulate our behavior. So on instagram, they do it with filters that make everyone else look beautiful and to catch up, we have to buy stuff. Thats the business model. Thats how they make money. It is not an accident any more than scams against seniors, scams against vets, anti vax or the preparation of the insurrection were an accident. So second point, so they know the suseptibility of kids and market it anyway because its profitable, which means they know what is goining out and wh is being said because weve had the phenomenon where were talking about different type of tuna tackle and then we get ads. If they know that, why is it too much for them to ask to take their technology and look for things that are misinformation and disinformation and become a more Responsibility Purveyor of content . So chris, the actual solution to this problem has nothing to do with the First Amendment. I dont want to sensor. I want to force changes in the business model. The way we force changes in the Chemicals Industry to end the dumping of toxic chemicals anywhere, the way we did when we banned child labor or created the food and Drug Administration to police the food supply and drug manufacturing, in this country, we have a long history of making Industries Safe and protecting consumers from harm and thats what we have to do now. Thats the job of congress but also the Justice Department and state attorneys general. Because we live in a wild west in Silicon Valley in the whole economy and these monopolies behave like governments. They dont feel like our government is going to stop them and its not that theyre criminal but i droont think th know where the line is and maybe they dont care and the result is they have done a bunch of stuff that is clearly wrong. I mean, the Wall Street Journal had a story about human trafficking. That is clearly a violation of the law. Of usuy obviously, Aiding And Abetting in insurrection is against the law and we have to prosecute these things not because i want to put them in jail but because they need to understand that we mean business and they need to end this business model. If they do that, that will save democracy. That will help us end the pandemic so lets do this. Roger come back and lets talk about what they could do. I got your word . You got it, pal. Done. Appreciate it. Well be right back. Handoff. Bogeys on your six, limu. They need customized Car Insurance from Liberty Mutual so they only pay for what they need. Woooooooooooooo. We are not getting you a helicopter. Only pay for what you need. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. You know, people are going to say look, they want a sensor on social media. No. I know a lot of that comes from the right. You know who gets the most traffic on the right . You know who has the most penetration on the top of the list . Members of the right. So i dont know what theyre complaining about. Don lemon tonight with the big store d. Lemon. Im fired up and always felt this way that social media should be regulated. They should follow the same rules that we follow here in legacy media. They should you shouldnt just be able to spread things about people thats not true. So it has a big influence on someones livelihood, their credibility, their career, even their lives and so i think that

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