what they will do, what their records are and what they stand for. having said that, there is one political party in this country that is working on reality, and that is the democratic party. but even in that, they're not governing very well at the moment. they're not performing the duty of being good politicians in the moment. they don't see the urgency of what's happening across the country with voting rights, what's happening -- the urgency of what's happening with the big lie. they are still operating on thinking that oh, everything is normal. you know, we've got to play politics as usual. it's not politics as usual. what is happening on the right is not politics as usual. and what's happening on the right is not right. it's wrong. and they should pay the consequences for what they're doing to our democracy. the damage that they're doing to our democracy, and the damage they're doing to this republic. so hopefully, i don't see it happening in the near future. i hope the republican party can come back to some sort of semblance of a party that cares about actual democracy in people. but i don't see that happening soon. >> whom did you hear from the republican party say i'm glad that arizona issue got cleared up. >> nope. >> not only did hi win, but he won by more votes and trump lost more. >> he got almost 199 more vote, joe biden did. >> did you hear cruz, paul, rubio, pauley, any of the guys that were distinguishing themselves? none. who came out and said enough with this? >> they know. >> they know. >> but that's the point. >> they know they're lying. and all they want to do is stay in power. that's it. they want to keep their position. >> so if you know that's what you're up against, my brother, what kind of ball would you be playing on the other side? i'm not saying democrats shouldn't figure it out. i wouldn't be airing it out in public. >> democrats have to stop acting like it's 1997 or 1992, or even, look, let's go back to when barack obama was in office, or even 2012. it's not that anymore. that's not what's happening in this country. republicans don't want to work with you, democrats. republicans don't want to work with you, joe biden. they don't want to do it. so they have to figure out what they're going do in order to keep this country on track. it is now up to the democrats and to the independents and the republicans who aren't the trumpers who won't apologize and be a apologist for everything that donald trump says or does or lies about. it is up to those people to save this country. and if they don't do it, then god help us. >> we're going see. nancy pelosi, i cannot criticize her feel for the game. you just can't. it's like mitch mcconnell. i'm not comparing them in terms of any kind of ideology, but they know how to do what they do. and she is not going to bring something to the floor if she doesn't have the votes. this setting the 27th wound up not working for her or for the party because it is now evidenced them to the country at large at a time where the numbers are not good for biden personally. therapeutic not good in terms of job performance and they're not good in terms of right way or wrong way for the country. on that last one, they're probably blaming the republicans a lot for that also. but they need to get something done. and some is better than none. these are all popular items. whatever they get done. but what if they don't get anything done? >> that's the point. let me tell you this, and this goes for news the news media as well. now that covid has -- we're out of quarantine so to speak, still safe, still wearing the mask and whatever, i've had a chance to travel around the country, as you know. i've gone to my home state. i did a little traveling this weekend. and i've been able to go and talk to people and see people in the airport or wherever it is, out and about. we listen to the fringes too much. the fringes have the loudest voices. the fringes all the way on the right have the loudest voices. the people who are not plying with reality, the trumpsters, we listen to them too much. >> twitter. >> twitter. well listen to them too much. and we listen to the far left everything. we listen too much to them. it is the radical middle, the radical center that is actually should actually be in dmarj this country. but we give -- it plays well on television, so i guess we play the sound bite, right? we go to the rallies and listen and all these things. that's how most of the country votes. that's not how most of the country feels. but somehow, most of the country should get together and let these people know that they're not helping most of the country, whether you're a democrat or republican. i'm telling you, if you were a republican and you care about what's happening in this country, you need to get on the democrats' side to get your own party in order. >> first of all, you need more parties. >> yeah. >> second of all, you have to beware. passion can beat population. >> yeah. >> and that's why they cater these cultural issues on the right. because those people come out and vote on them. but i hear you, brother. >> hey, virtual hug because i didn't get to see you. >> love you, d. lemon. >> i got to do you like this. >> what is that? is that a fat joke? >> i got to get to news. this is don lemon tonight. as we've been saying, it is all on the line tonight. this is the agenda that joe biden ran on the agenda that got him to the white house. and it is hanging in the balance tonight. okay? the president says victory is what's at stake, and the white house is working feverishly to win that victory, negotiating the price tag for his spending bill. tonight biden's former boss weighing in, arguing that the wealthiest americans can't afford to pick up the tab for the $3.5 trillion spending bill. >> most importantly, it's paid for by asking the wealthiest of americans who have benefitted incredibly over the last several decades and even in the midst of a pandemic saw their wealth and assets rise enormously. asking them to play a few percentage points more in taxes in order to make sure that we have an economy that is fair for everybody. i think that they can afford it. we can afford it. i put myself in this category now. and i think anybody who pretends that it's a hardship for billionaires to pay a little bit more in taxes so that a single mom gets child care support or so that we can make sure that our communities aren't inundated by wildfires and floods and that we're doing something about climate change for the next generation, you know, that's an argument that is unsustainable. >> all this back and forth, all of this drama to play indicate members of the president's own party. >> do you think it's possible that you could come to an immigrant on reconciliation by thursday? >> that's a heavy lift. you know, there is a lot to do, a lot to talk about. but everybody has to keep trying to work in good faith the best you can. >> well, it makes you wonder whether democrats on capitol hill get it. that as senate republicans tonight blocked a house-passed bill to raise a debt ceiling and prevent a government shutdown. that, my friends, this is hypocrisy 101. they would be willing to let the u.s. default on its debt, to let your own country default on its debt. that wasn't their position during the trump administration when they voted to raise the debt limit three times. hypocrisy. is that what patriots do? let the country you live in default on its debt? they want democrats to handle the debt alone. even though, pay close attention, they know perfectly well that the debt is all about paying the bills that we've already got, about 97% of those bills were run up before joe biden took office. that is according to "the washington post." now meanwhile, our democracy is literally at stake in the face of the big lie, alive and well all across the country. the former president straight-up lying this weekend, claiming that the arizona fraudit shows that he won. chris and i just talked about it. and listen, i want you to listen. because what i'm saying is really, really important tonight. i tell you that it's urgent every night that our democracy is on the line, because it is. and you must pay attention to. this okay? this is the true part here. he did not win arizona. he lost. he actually lost arizona multiple times. even the audit by the so-called cyber ninjas found joe biden won maricopa county. he got 99 more votes than the county reported in november. and the former president? he got 261 fewer votes. but he says i guess that's winning to him. he lost maricopa county. he lost arizona. he lost the popular vote. he lost the electoral college. yet he continues to push the big lie. and the reason is both simple and terrifying for anybody who values our democracy. he does it because every time he raises questions, every time he sows the seeds of doubt, every time he pushes for another investigation in arizona, even though it makes him look like an idiot, a fool, a louiser. not make him look like a looser, he gets less votes. every time he pushes for arizona, pennsylvania, even in texas, a state that he won. he may be losing the battle, but he is winning the misinformation war. spreading the same big lie that exploded into deadly violence at the seat of our democracy. that is when bloodthirsty trump-supporting rioters tried to stop the certification of the vote. now i want you to listen to liz cheney. liz cheney is one of only two republicans on the select committee investigating what happened on january 6. >> those who think that by ignoring trump, he will go away, have been proven wrong. when you look at the spread of these mistruths and the spread of the disinformation, down, silence enables it. soils enables the liar. and silence helps it to spread. >> so the fact is that there was a time when the leaders of liz cheney's party saw january 6 for what it was, what it is, a threat to our democracy itself. lindsey graham saw it. >> trump and i, we've had a hell of a journey. i hated to end this way. oh my god, i hate it. from my point of view, he has been a consequential president. but today first thing you'll see, all i can say is count me out. enough is enough. >> wow. okay. mitch mcconnell saw it. kevin mccarthy saw it. pardon me. kevin mccarthy. >> the president bears responsibility for wednesday's attack on congress by mob rioters. >> he should have immediately denounced the mob when he saw what was unfolding. >> okay. an as i said, mitch mcconnell saw it. >> there is no question, none that president trump is practically and morally responsible for provoking the events of the day. no question about it. the people who stormed this building believe they'd were acting on the wishes and instructions of their president. and having that belief was a foreseeable consequence of the growing crescendo of false statements, conspiracy theories, and reckless hyperbole. which the defeated president kept shouting into the largest megaphone on planet earth. >> so they all saw it. they knew it. they saw the big lie in action. they saw the violence. they knew exactly who was responsible, and they still do. they know. but athey have apparently decided that their political survival is more important than the survival of our democracy, the misinformation war, the big lie. it's all about laying the groundwork for the next time. and make no mistake, the threat is gathering again. if people who know the truth won't speak 80, if they're silent in the face of all these lies, it could happen again. and as our democracy -- not it could happen again. it will happen again. if the people are silent, if you don't pay attention. and as our democracy is under threat right now, the pandemic of the unvaccinated is raging. mitch mcconnell announcing that he got his booster shot today. >> i'm glad to share that a few minutes ago i received a booster vaccination for covid-19. it was an easy decision to receive a booster. i'm a survivor of childhood polio from before vaccines. before vaccines eradicated that disease here in our country, and around the world now. so i've been a life-long champion of vaccinations. >> joe biden got his booster shot today on live tv. now imagine how different things would have been if his predecessor had done the same thing. imagine if he had gotten the vaccine on live tv instead of in secret. we wouldn't have so many people refusing to get the vaccines that could save their lives. >> my president, i ain't taking your medicine. not from -- i'll take what they give him, but i'm not taking yours. >> he took the vaccine, though. >> he might have. i don't know that. >> i think the regeneron. >> they did give him that. but he did take the vaccine. >> i'm not saying he didn't. i don't know that. >> but that's what pissed me off. and i ain't taking it because i'm that bull-headed. >> we wouldn't have so many people screaming and yelling about vaccines and masks. >> the children and your children's children will be subjugated. they will be asked how many vaccines have you had? 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(vo) discover more in the all-new subaru outback wilderness. love. it's what makes subaru, subaru. so a glimmer of hope for two critical pieces of president biden's progressive agenda, progressive caucus chair jayapal. the progressive wing has been in a standoff with joe manchin and kyrsten sinema along with an infrastructure bill. many progressives saying they want both toing pass simultaneous while manchin and sinema say they don't support the $3.5 trillion price tag of the larger spending bill. joining me is whip of the progressive caucus ilhan omar. good evening. thank you for joining. >> thank you so much for having me, don. >> you were at tonight's democratic caucus meeting, and you were holding speaker pelosi's hand as you came out. but the stakes here incredibly high. biden's entire domestic agenda is on the line. where do you stand after this meeting? >> well, we are really optimistic about fighting for the biden agenda to be accomplished in the house and in the senate, and for us to send these two bills in tandem to his desk. you know, there are so many people across the country who are looking for the democrats to fulfill their promise. this is a promise that the president made to them on the campaign trail. it is the promise that we, when we were campaigning made, and this is our once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to deliver on that. now we have about 12 members in the house, in the senate, in the democratic caucus who are, you know, an obstacle to getting this done. they would like to make the public believe that the progressive caucus is blocking these bills from passing. it's the opposite. we know that if we don't pass these two bills, the president's agenda will not pass. so we are consistent in having the president's back and supporting the whole agenda. we are going to do everything that it takes to be able to get this done. >> so let me ask you. as i mention, the progressive caucus chair pramila jayapal now saying she believes lawmakers are getting close to a final deal on the larger spending deal. you told our manu raju that you need clarity on where senators manchin and sinema stand and you didn't envision having republicans in your own party. but do you know where negotiations are right now? >> we are really getting close. the senate majority leader continues to have a conversation with the few senators that are holding up progress. our chairwoman pramila jayapal had a phone call and a conversation with sinema and we don't be closely monitoring the work that the speaker, the majority leader and the white house is doing in bringing progress and bringing progress on these bills. what we are waiting for is what is it that they are interested in seeing changed so that we can move this legislation forward. >> so what are you willing to compromise on? i'm going to -- how much lower than $3.5 trillion and so on. but what are you willing to compromise on? >> what we are looking to do is to deliver on behalf of our constituents in regards to climate change, to deliver on drug pricing, to deliver on child care, and to deliver on fair taxation. how far they are willing to go on that is something that we are willing to have a conversation on. it's been talked about quite a lot in our caucus and with the senators just how much of a significant progress and investment we want to make in these areas. and we continue to wait to hear what kind of significant changes and investments they're willing to make in their constituents' lives, because we are ready to do everything that it takes so that the people can feel the changes in their lives. >> you've written with a couple of your colleagues on cnn.com, congresswoman jayapal and katie porter an op-ed for cnn.com. you write that you'll put your votes on the line and only vote for the bipartisan infrastructure bill only after the build back better act is passed. but if an agreement is close and you get assurances from manchin and sinema, does that change anything for you? >> so a framework and policies need to be agreed with in that framework in order for there to be any progress made in the house. what we are looking for is that our, you know, now that our bill is done in the house, it's written, we want to be able to produce a manager's amendment for any changes they want to make. and we want to have those conversations with them. how much are they willing to invest in regards to lowering costs for american families, whether they are willing to reduce child care costs burdens for so many americans, and will be they believe that we should be investing in immunity and trade school. these are still questions that haven't been answered by these senators and some of our house colleagues. the majority of our caucus stands united to deliver the agenda of the president. and, you know, don, if you remember, it's been months that this deal has been agreed upon as senator bernie sanders has said over and over again, the infrastructure bipartisan legislation would not have passed with his support and the support of so many other democrats in the senate if an agreement wasn't reached that we will be able to pass these two bills together in order to fulfill the president's agenda. now that they are negating on that promise and that deal, we have to hold the line, and we have to hold them accountable for breaking the deal that they made with us. >> well, congresswoman, we know it's a very busy time and quite a tense time. this is the president's agenda is on the line. and the things that he promised you on the campaign trail now on the line. we appreciate you joining us. we hope you'll come back, and we hope you get a deal done. thank you so much. >> thank you so much. >> thank you. vaccines for kids under 12 coming soon? 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because there has been a lot of confusion about the boost errolout. should everyone eligible be seeking out a booster? >> yeah, look, i think it was very important for the president to do this in public. and he made a statement about the population that is eligible to receive the booster. i certainly think anyone over the age of 65 and those who live in long-term care facilities should seek out a booster shot. that's the age group that the cdc and fda agreed on should be going to get boosters right now. for those under the age of 65, the authorization allows for people who have medical risks as well as those who have excessive occupational exposure that could put them at risk of severe covid that could include health care workers, grocery store worker, other kinds of first responders that are in contact with people that could have the infection. the fact that we're still in throes of a pandemic where you're seeing surge in delta infection all across the country. >> so pfizer is expected to ask the fda to authorize their covid vaccine for kids 5 to 11 within days. with potential shots in arms by halloween. that's what they're hoping. so talk to me about the effect this is going to have on the pandemic, doctor. >> right. and i serve on the board of pfizer, as you know. the company has said it. they're going to file within days. fda has said what the review is going to be weeks, not months. i interpret that to mean a four to six-week review. if the fda ultimately determines that the package supports aughtization, you could have authorization as early as halloween. i think a lot of the residual anxiety that americans feel about covid, even those who have been vaccinated is the risk they're going develop a mild or asymptomatic infection and potentially bring the virus back into their homes and put at risk either children, older individuals that they might be caring for. i think the ability to vaccinate young kids ages 5 to 11 is going to relieve a lot of the anxiety parents feel right now about going back to work, going out and risk getting infected. most of us that have been vaccinated understand we're not at risk of severe serious disease or hospitalization. the vaccine has been very effective at preventing severe disease. but we're still at risk of an asymptomatic or mild infection that could leave us contagious and bringing an infection back into our homes. >> i found it interesting that you said, doctor, this may be the last major wave of infection and perhaps by thanksgiving we may be transitioning into a more endemic phase of the virus. are you confident a new variant won't emerge? >> no, new variants are emerging. there is actually 20 different variants of the delta strain, of the delta lineage. it is going to be the case. you're going to get variants that emerge that partially escape the immunity offered by vaccines or offered by prior infection. whether or not you're going get a dramatic shift in this virus where all of the sudden we find a variant that completely evades the immunity that we've acquired either through vaccination or infection, i think that's less likely. you don't know what you don't know. it couldwhat. it's more likely that this virus is going to slowly drift over time and you'll get some new variant within that delta lineage that will parkly escape immunity. that's why the vaccines could become something that we have to do on an annualized basis, at least for a period of time. the transition to the endemic phase isn't going to be a bright line demark indicating those states. it's going to be a gradual transition. i think on the back end of this delta variant, this may be the last major surge of infection, and then we're going to have to deal with this as a more persistent menace and learn how to arrest our pathogens particularly in the wintertime, because this will eventually become a more seasonal pathogen. >> i hope you're right about that. we want the get back to normal. and listen, this whole thing has so politicized. i want to ask about this research that's come out now found that 86% of democrats had at least one dose of the vaccine. republicans only at 60%. if this rate stays the same, do red states continue to be more vulnerable between lower vaccination rates and resistance to rules like masking? >> well, look, people around the country right now have a choice about how they're going to acquire immunity to the coronavirus. but the reality is that this delta variant is so contagious, eventually it's going to end up infecting most of the people who remain unvaccinated. it's unfortunate that in a lot of red states you're seeing higher infection rates. on the back end of this surge, most americans will have immunity to this virus either through natural. we don't know how durable it is. i do suspect that those banking on the immunity from infection are eventually going the need to get vaccinated to sustain that immunity. you're seeing sharp divergent rates. some of it is cultural. some of it is political. there are states that are going to be more heavily affected. you frankly see the same thing with childhood immigrations. here in connecticut, the mmr vaccine, in about 98% of kids get vaccinated with that but overall the average across the country is 90 to 94% from year to year. there are a lot of states that are below 90%. you see it often varies across states. >> when you say the durability, how long it's going to protect you against getting covid. but some people have gotten second infections. so we don't know how durable it is. correct? >> right. we don't know how durable the vaccines are, and obviously people are getting boosters because the vaccines or the immunity hasn't been that durable, particularly in people vaccinated an interval ago. we don't know how durable the immunity acquired from infection. it's probably going to be the case while there is a period of immunity offered by natural infection, it's not going to be in perpetuity. eventually that cohart is going to have to get vaccinated to sustain the protection against this virus. >> very important. that's why i asked you again. doctor, thank you so much. and again, the doctor's book is "uncontrolled spread: why covid-19 crushed us and how we can defeat the next pandemic." there it is up on your screen. it's good reading. our thanks to dr. gottlieb. so he says they're not vaccinated, they should be taken off the team. kareem abdul-jabbar is over the vaccine deniers and con spirit cysts. here here to explain next. growing up in a little red house, on the edge of a forest in norway, there were three things my family encouraged: kindness, honesty and hard work. over time, i've come to add a fourth: be curious. be curious about the world around us, and then go. go with an open heart, and you will find inspiration anew. viking. exploring the world in comfort. and there you have it- woah. wireless on the most reliable network nationwide. wow. -big deal! ...we get unlimited for just 30 bucks. sweet, i get that too and mine has 5g included. that's cool, but ours save us serious clam-aroonies. relax people, my wireless is crushing it. that's because you all have xfinity mobile with your internet. it's wireless so good, it keeps one upping itself. brooklyn nets star kyrie irving, why refusing to disclose his vaccine status today. >> obviously living in a public sphere, there is a lot of questions about what is going on in the world of kyrie and i think i just would love to keep that private and handle it the right way with my team and go forward together with a plan. >> so making that statement remotely. because of local restrictions he won't be able to play in home games unless he is vaccinated. nba legend crkareem abdul-jabba. we're going to talk about it right now. so kareem abdul-jabbar, thank you so much. thank you for being here tonight and for doing what you do. can i just get your reaction to kyrie irving's statement? >> i can't accept kyrie irving's statement. he is hiding behind procedure here. either you understand what's going on and you are going to do the right thing, or you don't understand what's going on and you're going to continue to create all this confusion with your stance. so we've got to get that cleared up exactly where he stands and what that means to those around him. >> sources telling cnn that approximately 90% of nba players are vaccinated against covid covid-19. you think the 10% should be let go? >> i think they should be disciplined. i don't think that they are behaving like good teammates or good citizens. this is a war that we're involved in, and masks and vaccines, they are the weapons that we use to fight this war. and when your not going to be cooperative with that, you're working against the effort to make everybody safe. and, you know, we can't have that. that doesn't work for everybody. >> what about the folks who say hey, listen, it's my right. it's my freedom. it's my body. i can do whatever i want. i shouldn't be told what to do. >> with the framework of the nba and put other people at risk. that's what we're talking about here, putting other people at risk. not about whether somebody feels macho enough that they're going to go against the covid virus and not have any vaccination protection. you know, i guess maybe it makes them feel brave or, you know, able to do something that others can't do. that's not what we should be doing here. we should be trying to limit this virus with all the tools we have at our disposal. >> i want to play this, see if you remember. this is from lebron james. watch this. >> anything i do on the floor is predicated to my family, you know, for the majority. for 99% of that. it's about the health and safety of my family and that's what it came down to. me being available to my teammates on the floor is me taking care of my body. >> do you mind if i ask if you're confirming if you did get the vaccine? >> it's not a big deal. >> so listen, we haven't heard from lebron about that since, but the lakers general manager did say all players on the roster will be fully vaccinated for the new season. what would it mean if lebron were to be more transparent about the vaccine or encourage others to get it? >> well, i think it would be helpful if he encouraged others to get it, but he has the right not to do that. you know, you can't force everyone to do what you think is correct. so people do have the right not to participate in using the vaccine. but if they're going to do that, they should not put other people at risk because they might become contaminated. their children might end up at risk. that's not fair. >> i want to listen, a little bit long so, i want to ask you one more question, and i think it's important. you've written about this, quote, the dark reality is that those who promote hesitancy and more research have blood on their hands, worse than pseudo science spread is the kind of selective science that white people use to justify enslaving black people. elaborate on that, please, sir. >> well, the more ignorance that is spread around, the easier it is to confuse people about what's happening. so people who dislike black americans at one point refused to give them treatment. in this instance, we have people that are trying to confuse the issue and have people not use the available treatment because of who knows what reason. but we can't let that be something that pulls us back. we have to educate ourselves so that we understand what is being offered. these vaccines are safe and they are effective. and we have to fight this virus as a group. we can't have certain people feeling that, well, i don't have to do that. that's insanity. >> i think it's important you point out they confuse the issue, especially when it comes to the tuskegee experiment. it's not that they were injecting african americans with something that was bad for them. they weren't treating them. a and the people they did inject with things like penicillin got better. black folks didn't because they didn't inject them. thank you, kareem abdul-jabbar. i appreciate you joining us. >> hope our message gets across here because there are a lot of people like you being willing to point the facts out. >> thank you very much. i appreciate you as well and your voice. kareem abdul-jabbar, everyone. we'll be right back. do that right now. high thryv! thryv? 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