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i thought i knew who i was. but what happens if you discover that everything you thought you knew about yourself was a lie? what really happened to me? that's what i needed to find out. my mom was upstairs. my dad was at work. i was 10 years old, and i was snooping around the house looking for christmas presents. i thought, this is a great time to go in the crawl space, because i know it's a great place to hide presents. i saw a bunch of boxes. i thought, this is it. the big score, right? it was just like papers and things. it's not a present. open another one. bunch of cards. more letters. newspaper clippings. i'm like, this isn't christmas. so i looked at one. it said, 500 search for kidnapped baby. another one, fronczak baby still missing. so i started reading it. and it said paul joseph fronczak kidnapped from michael reese hospital. i saw a picture of my mom and dad and they looked really, really sad and heartbroken and distraught. i thought, wait. that's me. what happened? >> that year i was a student nurse at michael reese hospital in chicago. i was working on the maternity ward. we were downtown chicago and young and i came from a small town, so it was fun. michael reese is on the south side of chicago and it was a pretty large hospital. back when i was in nurse's training the mother gave birth in the delivery room and then she went to her room and the baby went immediately to the nursery. there were always babies coming and going. if the baby was okay, the next feeding time the nursery room nurses brought the babies out to the mother. and then as students we were there with the mother and the baby. dora was just like any mother, very excited. her baby wasn't with her yet when i first introduced myself to her. she had already lost a baby and so this baby was alive and well. and so she was kind of like, had taken a deep breath. we made it. everything is great. and so she was very, very excited. the nursery room nurse brought the baby in. i saw him just like this. he had a lot of hair and he smiled. probably was gas, but he did smile and look at her. and she was joyous. and, you know, i loved babies so i was, too. i was thrilled to be with her while she was seeing her baby for the first time after delivery. it was nice. he was a perfect baby. i had another patient on that unit, so i was leaving the room to go to see another patient, and as i was leaving, this woman walked in. she was dressed in white. i just thought, oh, she's a nurse. she said to mrs. fronczak, the doctor is here to see your baby. she handed the baby over to her. i noticed that all the babies were going in, that all the nursery room nurses were coming to take the babies in. the head nurse came up to me and said, do you have the fronczak baby? and i said, no. and then she said to me, well, then he's gone. i'm like, gone where? she said, taken. and then she said, i want you to go back into mrs. fronczak's room and stay with her all day. do not leave her side until the doctor comes to see her. i just tried to be talking joyfully with her about the baby and what was going to happen and, like, nothing happened. >> the hospital didn't call the police for probably an hour. well, they couldn't believe it themselves. by the time they -- we were notified, she had a pretty good lead. at the time, my wife was having twins, so i felt a little more involved in the case. one baby died, and i know it was hard for my wife, but she knows that she came home with one baby. >> most of the staff knew what was going on, but we didn't tell the other mothers. we all had to act normal. so i spent the whole day with dora. i went to a class on bathing babies that the other student nurses gave with her. i went to a feeding class with her. and the whole time i knew the baby was gone and i couldn't say anything to her. it was long and strenuous, because she was very happy and enjoying the classes and enjoying the day, and waiting for the baby to come back to her again. and he was never going to come back to her. they searched the whole hospital thinking that maybe the woman was still in the hospital. i think that's why it took so long before they came and told her. her doctor came in, and he said, mrs. fronczak, your baby has been taken. and with those words, the whole room filled with policemen and fbi. one of the questions was, when did she come in? she said, she was coming in as mary was leaving. i can see her today as plain as i saw her back then. but when you're with an artist and they said what does her nose look like, i was like, it was a nose. she was about my height. she was white. she had brown hair, shoulder length. she was thin. she had on a white uniform. >> this motivated thousands of calls. >> michael reese is on the lake. there is an el there and the train station and an airport. she had every means of transportation to leave chicago within five minutes of taking the baby. >> this was premeditated on the part of this woman. an interview with the cab driver, he said she wanted to go to the area of 35th and halston, which is only 15 minutes from the hospital. when she got out of that cab, she had a coat on. she got into another car, and never seen again. >> mrs. fronczak, as a woman and a mother, do you have any reason to think why she might have taken the baby? >> the only thing i can think of she must have been desperate for a baby that she would come and take someone else's baby away from them. or she couldn't have her own or she lost hers or something. but even losing a child, i don't think you're that desperate to go and take another woman's baby. i don't know what more to say. >> i took care of her for several days, and she cried a lot. her husband was there. it was like a -- well, it was like a funeral. it was a funeral. there was crying, and she was beside herself. she did a lot of praying. she was very catholic. he did, too. they prayed together a lot. many times said, why has god done this to me again? well, don't know. >> do you have any message for the kidnapper? >> i just want to plead with her to return the baby. >> what kind of shape is your wife in? >> pretty bad. >> did you spend the night with her in the hospital? >> yes. >> she extremely nervous at this point? >> yes. >> my darling dad, he was a chicago policeman, and this case was the same to him from the minute that michael reese hospital called the police to say that there was a missing baby. i didn't hear anything until very early the next morning when my dad, who had worked all night, came home, and i heard him talking to my mom, and she said, oh, jack, what is going on that you're so late? and he had to swallow, you know, to tell her this whole thing that had happened. my mother was very moved by it. you can imagine as any mother would be, the heart break of thinking of someone having their baby taken from them. and my dad worked many long, long hours as all the policemen assigned to the case did. it was big news in the city of chicago. and the newspapers were full of it. >> "the daily news" was the newspaper at the time. they offered a $10,000 reward. and that didn't bring any results. the reward didn't interest anybody. didn't help. >> i think you couldn't not be moved just seeing their pictures and how dear mr. fronczak was to his wife and his arm always around her and always encouraging her. it was heart breaking to see her facial expressions. i don't know that i ever saw a smile on her face in any of the many pictures i saw in the newspapers. >> do you have any further clues? >> no, sir, not at this time. >> do you have any suspects here in chicago that you're going to question? >> we are questioning suspects throughout the day. >> do you have some right now, some others? >> we have other names and so forth to check. >> how many do you have? >> numerous names. >> thank you. >> surely. >> you want to make one more appeal? >> yes, we are again appealing for the safe return of our son, and we're asking any person who might have any information or think that any information they could have might be helpful, we're asking them to call the fbi. please call the fbi if you have any information that may be helpful in finding our baby. >> mrs. fronczak, are you still convinced now that some day you will see little paul joseph again? >> yes, i'm still convinced. ♪ luna rossa ocean the new fragrance by prada at macy's the fragrance destination subway® has so much new it didn't fit in our last ad. like the new artisan italian and hearty multigrain bread. it's the eat fresh refresh™ at subway®. it's so much new there's no time for serena! wait, what?! sorry, we don't even have time to say they were created by world class bakers! oh, guess we did! seriously?! july 2nd, 1965, times were much safer back then or at least the perception was things were safer. the baby was left on the sidewalk for a period of time. nobody thought it was unusual. they assumed the parent was inside the store. until a period of time went by that they said, hey, this is a little unusual. the baby has been here a long time. somebody notified the police. my grandfather, joseph, was the lead investigator of this found baby that we had back in newark. the baby was in a stroller, well dressed. the stroller was somewhat fancy for the time. the baby was subsequently transported to the hospital where the baby was examined, found to have a black eye but in good health and of course the investigation began by the police side. i think it was probably a case that they didn't expect would last through the day. oh, somebody left their baby here. i'm sure mom is going to come looking for him pretty quickly, but that never did happen. >> my mom and dad had an adoption home in the state of new jersey. it was a very busy house, but it was a joyous house. when they called, they just said that a baby had been found. i was probably about 17 or 18. when he came to the house. he was very busy, a busy little boy. he loved music. he was an outside child, you know, he'd rather be outside than inside. and the other kids would follow him. he was kind of like the leader. he put a lot of love into our house. we adored him. well, the fact that he was a found lg, he had no name. the state said, you know, why don't you pick a name for him? my mom said, scott. she said, it's strong and, she said, he is a strong baby. and she said he's a fighter. >> they thought it would be a pretty simple resolution to the case. you know, somebody is missing a baby, they'd be looking for it. but, unfortunately, that is not what occurred and they actually had to put a lot of man hours into trying to find the parents of this child. they utilized the newark newspapers at the time as well as the new york city newspapers to get the word out, a description of the baby, the circumstances in which it was found. and they sat back and i think they waited for the tips to come flowing in, and they never did. as time went on, there was this other high profile case half way across the country out in chicago. where a baby was missing. apparently that was a case that didn't have a lot of leads either. so the detectives here got in touch with the detectives out in chicago, kind of compared notes a little bit. put their heads together. and i think the thought process started to emerge that maybe we're talking about the same baby. >> the news came from the police department in newark, new jersey, that a baby had been found and they wondered if it could be the fraonczak child. >> the fbi called and said that they were very interested to see whether he was the fronczak baby. so that's when it was time to contact the fronczaks and tell them. at the time, they didn't let us see the parents or the parents see us. we went into a separate room, and the state worker took him down and they opened the door, and the mom said, oh, my god. that's my baby. it was completely silence, the whole room. all of a sudden you heard tears. oh, my god. he found his own mom. he found his father. we were so excited, because they had their baby. the lady that was on television had a broken heart. and her heart was repaired when she saw him. his whole life was going to be just with the fronczaks. ♪ ♪ >> so i got all excited. i said, mom, what is this? this is about me, right? what is this? and she was doing something. she looked over at me, and her face just got red. and she was just like, why are you snooping around the house? that isn't your stuff. and she looked at it, and she said, you were kidnapped. we found you. we love you. we'll never talk about that again. and i was like, wow. i was like devastated. but what my parents said, that was it. right? there was no negotiating. so i just went back downstairs, put it away, closed everything up. and walked out. i closed the crawl space door, but i never forgot that. i have dated a lot of girls up and down these blocks. a lot of memories here. i was an altar boy. used to walk to school. my grammar school was like two miles away. my friend jim, my best friend, lives about a mile down there. used to run to his house every day and run back down. we were always running. we were just always running somewhere. so my mom and dad had a younger son, david, and he was about two years younger than i was. i have memories of us on christmas morning. he would wake me up and say santa was here. i loved my family and i loved my family upbringing. it was like a rockwell painting. i grew up in a beautiful area, beautiful home. my dad was a blue collar worker, worked in a factory, had a good job. always had a new car. had family vacations every year. it was a perfect family. the rockwell painting, sure. but underneath it was kind of different, because my parents were completely overwhelmed. you know, they were traumatized. they had a still born boy and then a year later their baby was taken a day after he was born, and then a couple years go by, and when they -- when the fbi found paul and identified he might be paul, you know, they brought him home that summer and then i was born in november. and it was a really terribly stressful time for my parents especially for my mom. we didn't discuss things. i think that my parents always wanted to have a positive outlook on life and move forward and that was their way of doing that, by not focusing on the past . of -- i remember paul and i having a pretty typical relationship as brothers up until, you know, maybe he hit his teens and i was approaching my teens and then, you know, then your life expands. you have friends and what not and we kind of went different ways. he was -- there was something different about him i guess i'd say. i'm sure it made him feel set apart and i'm sure that affected him. the new fragrance by prada ♪ thousands of women with metastatic breast cancer are living in the moment and taking ibrance. ibrance with an aromatase inhibitor is for postmenopausal women or for men with hr+, her2- metastatic breast cancer as the first hormonal based therapy. ibrance plus letrozole significantly delayed disease progression versus letrozole. ibrance may cause low white blood cell counts that may lead to serious infections. ibrance may cause severe inflammation of the lungs. both of these can lead to death. tell your doctor if you have new or worsening chest pain, cough, or trouble breathing. before taking ibrance, tell your doctor if you have fever, chills, or other signs of infection, liver or kidney problems, are or plan to become pregnant, or are breastfeeding. for more information about side effects talk to your doctor. ♪ be in your moment. ask your doctor about ibrance. subway® has so much new it didn't fit in our last ad. like the new app with customization, curbside pickup and delivery. there's so much new, we don't even have time to show you who's holding this phone. bet you don't treat brady this way. come on, man! you clearly haven't seen the other ads. it's the eat fresh refresh™ at subway®. 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(fridge closing) (crowd noises) (cheering) (laughter) ♪ ♪ he was a fun guy to hang around with. most of my other friends were really serious. at that time in a guy's life it's all about getting drunk, meeting girls, music, pop culture, movies, what's on tv. so i would go to paul's house, pick paul up, and i'd spend a little time there. it was very quiet. i never heard any music in the house. for a guy that loved music that's pretty odd. >> i love music more than anything. i taught myself how to play bass. i loved rock. i saw kiss in concert and i saw rush in concert. lots of rush. i was at this little restaurant waiting for my girlfriend to get off work and i heard these two guys about a booth over talking. one guy said, all we need is a kick ass bass player. i leaned over and i said i'm a bass player. they said, can you play rush? i was like, oh, i can play rush. i auditioned the next day for the band and they said, can you move to arizona? i said, absolutely. and that's what i had to tell my parents. ♪ he's a rebel and a runner ♪ ♪ he's a signal turning green ♪ ♪ he's a restless young romantic wants to run the machine ♪ >> everyone else was just doing the same thing. i wanted to get away and be in a band. 2,000 miles away. i loved my parents. but it was really easy to leave. i didn't talk to my parents probably for a year. to be on my own, playing rock 'n roll? it was perfect. ♪ we had a great run, and it just didn't work out. so we kind of broke up, parted ways, and eventually i found myself in las vegas. it's definitely not a place where you go to follow rules. people come here to act stupid, to do things they wouldn't do at home. so when i first moved here, i went through about five or ten jobs, you know, just trying different things. and someone said, why don't you just start acting? so i spent 75 bucks and i got a head shot, and i went to an agent and i think i started working like the next day. >> please place all your metal objects in your bag. excuse me, sir. sir. excuse me, sir. >> commander! commander! the headset. >> please place all your metal objects in your bag. >> if it's electronic, we need to see it. >> i loved being someone else. and i loved how i could just bounce into a role and play that character. >> i think you did a movie called "domino" or something where he was a stand-in for mickey rourke and there were some "ocean's 11" movies and he was a stand-in for george clooney. >> which one is the amazing yen? >> the little chinese guy. >> i remember once he told me he was in a movie "rush hour" and i like the "rush hour" movies so i went with my wife alexis to see "rush hour." so they get to vegas and i guess they're down in some sewer system. they come out of the sewer and you see the guy's head pop out. >> this is vegas? >> what the hell we doing in vegas? >> paul comes walking across the street with some woman on his arm, you know, and i just bust out laughing in the theater. the wife is like what the hell are you laughing at? i'm like, that's paul. >> 2004-2005, spring. we actually met online on a dating website. i remember seeing his picture and thinking, i'm going to get a date with that guy. he's good looking. man, he is cute. he probably won't go out with me but i'm going to get a date with this guy. >> tell them what you're doing. >> our second christmas together. 2007. >> he was so down to earth. just like the guy next door. sweet, kind, caring. obviously got a lot of attention. he was in acting and modeling. but he just seemed like he needed that steady, genuine attention that i don't think he really got from his jobs or from family. something was missing. he was looking for something. it was just -- he seemed like a little lost puppy sometimes. when we first met he didn't really talk a lot about his childhood. but once we got a little bit closer he did share with me that he was kidnapped. i remember him telling the story and i thought, okay. this is a little strange. almost like i didn't believe him at first. and the way that he just matter of fact told the story. oh, well, i was kidnapped and then i was missing for a few years and then the fbi found me and here i am today. it was just like it wasn't a big deal. i think he is restless because he went from one job to another. it's almost like he would kind of do something and get bored with it as though he was always in search for something, always looking for something. never really completely settled on what he had or what he was doing. i think that it kind of tapered off, you know, once we got married and we were happy together and we were secure. he seemed at peace there for a while. he seemed fulfilled. and i thought, this is fantastic. this is a guy -- i'm happy. i'm going to be a hundred years old with this man. >> so who do you have there, michelle? >> we have our beautiful daughter. you don't want to say hello? well, we welcomed her today at 1:44. >> she is about 6 1/2 hours old. we had emma in our hospital room, and we never left that room for reasons i'm sure you understand. to see your child breathe and start their life right there, knowing that you helped create that child, it was amazing. that's my child. that will always be my child. it's an instant bond that nothing will ever change. >> that is the sweetest thing i think i've ever seen in my life. beautiful. >> so once we had emma, a doctor asked me for my medical history. a question i've been asked a hundred times all through my life. i always spouted out the same answer. okay, mom. what are you doing? >> oh, right now i'm feeding emma. enjoying feeding emma. our little angel. we really love her. >> this time when they asked me i'm looking at my child. i'm thinking, what if it's not true? it took me back to when i was 10 years old, finding those clippings. really wondering, could i be that kidnapped child found 2,000 miles away a couple years later? that sounds like a fairy tale. you know? then you really start wondering. is this really true? am i really paul? so my parents loved me. i know they did. and they raised me really well. but it was two brothers. david had a certain easiness with them, a familiarity that i didn't have. i really feel in my heart that they knew david was theirs without question. but was i really their child? and if that's in the back of your mind it is going to come out. so in this picture i'm with the fbi agents who found me. and with my mom and dad. and honestly looking at this picture, it's kind of funny. because the fbi looks like they just -- that's it. we did it. you know? i think it's funny my mom and i are both looking at the camera and my dad is looking down at me like maybe wondering, is this really my son? >> it is very difficult to disagree with the fbi. they were there for a certain mission, and they wanted this case to be over and done with. >> i know that my grandfather wasn't a hundred percent sold on the concept that this baby belonged in chicago. but at the time, that is really all they had. we were missing a baby in chicago. we have one found in new jersey. and i think that's the way the consensus went. but the family was extremely confident that was their child. >> i can imagine you would want it to be your baby so much you would take one look and say, of course that's him. pa: hold those steins up! crowd: 42, 43, 44... did i win? 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(cheers) wild boy! ♪ luna rossa ocean the new fragrance by prada we want to find out, you know, and he's thinking, well, now there's dna. we can find out for sure if i really am paul fronczak. his parents were in town. it really is kind of blurry now, but i just remember sitting at the table and paul brought it up like hey, do you want pizza, do you want take out, what do you want for dinner, in his joking way. he did it in a nice way, but it was all very much lighthearted. and he just brought it up and spoke to them about it and why he wanted to know. and i think his parents were caught off guard. i know they were caught off guard, because they just agreed. and the next thing you know, we're sitting at the table, and they're all swabbing away. i thought wow, we're going to find out. but then they got back in town. i don't remember if it was his mom or dad that called, and said, don't send it in. we don't want to know. which i understand. they had time to think about it. they had time for it to really process, and they were able to think, i don't want to know. and i don't blame them. i remember him talking about it and thinking about it and trying to understand their point of view. but he just needed to know for himself. and i know that he really wrestled with that for quite some time. but in the end, he needed to know for himself. >> i was at work. and my cell phone rang, and it said, this is identi gene, is this paul fronczak? and i said yes. and then a guy said, there's no remote possibility that you're paul fronczak. chester and dora are not your biological parents. and i said, okay. thank you very much. hung up. and then i just stopped breathing. i just sat there and it's like my life just flashed before my ice. everything i thought i knew about myself just vanished. and you don't know anything about your life. ♪ ♪ >> i just remember when he said it. i was like oh, my gosh. i said, are you okay? how do you feel? do you want me to come there right now? he's like, i don't know what to think, i don't know what to feel. but he was upset, but yet masking it, i could tell. he's like, i can't believe it. i'm not the real paul fronczak. he's like, i don't know my birthday. he's like, i don't even know where i was bornl or who my parents are. he's like, i don't know how old i am. it was like, wow. yeah. i think that's when it became so real. i was like, holy shit. i think that's when it hit me, too. i knew -- it's almost like i knew this is not -- this is not the end of this. i knew that he was not just go ing to leave it at that. i knew that -- his personality, he needed to find out. he was going to start digging into it and find out who am i? ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> so after i got the news saying that i wasn't paul, i knew the only way to move this story forward would be to turn to the media. there was only one guy i could think of in las vegas, and that was george knapp. >> hello and welcome to "on the record." flying saucers, extra terrestrials, monsters from outer space. the government has been telling us for years they're not real, they're weather balloons or swamp gas or the ravings of lunatics. >> i'm not exactly sure what the final factor was why he picked me, but i had been on the air in las vegas a long time. i've done some big stories here and there. i'm generally regarded as a trustworthy person. i keep my word. at the time he seemed wounded. he was still trying to get his head around it himself. he had just got the dna test results. he was still trying to figure out what to do with it. he wanted to solve two mysteries. one is, what happened to biological paul? and two, who was he? where was he born? what was his nationality? where is his real family? how did he end up on a street in new jersey? and the real thing hanging over his head was, what do i tell my parents? he was struggling with that. once we set a date for when our first report aired, it was sort of a deadline for paul as well to tell his parents, something he had never been able to do. >> dear mom and dad, first, i am your son and i always will be. you and dad have been wonderful parents and shaped me into the person i am today. i love you both, and that will be forever. the dna test results came back, and it turns out i am not your biological son. i am not the kidnapped baby you had stolen from your arms. this means that the real paul joseph fronczak may still be out there, alive, not knowing who he is. i want to find out if the real paul fronczak is alive and what happened to him. and i want to find out who i am and what happened to me. i hope you and dad will be with me on this and be a part of this process. thank you for all you have done for me in the past and for the rest of our future together. your loving son, paul. so they called me. i saw the number on my phone and i answered and i said, hey, mom. she started screaming at me. how could you do this to us? we're not good enough for you. you don't like us as parents. you want to find other parents. i was trying to tell her, that was never even a thought in my mind. i hear scuffling. my dad gets on the phone, he said, you're an asshole. click. and i was like, what the -- you know, it was like -- the three of us were very angry at paul, and it made it really difficult to try to bridge that gap again for quite a while. i was all emotion at that point, and, umm, you know, i don't think it was fair looking back. he was going through a lot, and i could have attempted to have a deeper conversation with him about how we might manage all this stuff at once. but i just -- i just decided, you know, the heck with him. >> so after that phone call, we didn't speak for a couple of years. i could not see their side. i couldn't see a downside of this. your child was kidnapped. it was never solved. i'm not your real son. i was -- i was a proxy. i was put in his place. and now we know the truth. so how could you not want to learn the truth and move forward? and you know what? maybe find your real son. wouldn't you want to know the truth? people are going to hate me, aren't they? he's a dick! >> well, we certainly had the conversation multiple times, be careful what you wish for. because you don't know where this leads. this is a dark beginning. paul is on a sidewalk, abandoned in new jersey. nobody came looking for him. it's not like some accidental thing where they left him at the bus stop. he was put there on purpose. >> michelle and i very rarely saw eye to eye on anything, but this was definitely a hard no. she wanted me to just let it go. >> we're going to go to weather and then -- >> i tried to explain this is bigger than just my parents now. we now know that their son could be out there. and what kind of injustice would i be doing if i knew that and just ignored it? for all we know, maybe we could be helping out the real paul, too. she said, your parents don't want you to do this, so just don't do it. >> it's a case that began with a sensational kidnapping in the midwest but has spread to southern nevada. george knapp here with the exclusive story. ever had that feeling at a kid that you were switched at birth or aliens had dropped you off? because you couldn't possibly belong to your own family. for paul joseph fronczak of henderson, it's more than a fuzzy feeling. tomorrow is supposed to be his birthday. but he's just recently learned that he has no idea when he was actually born. that his parents aren't really his parents. and this he hasn't a clue where he's from or who he is. it started with a kidnapping that exploded on an international stage and it's one amazing, puzzling tale. >> the response to the first story we did was off the charts. phones ringing off the hook. there were inquiries from cnn, nbc, abc, everywhere. coming to me, coming to paul, all over the place. everybody wanted in on this story. >> it's a mystery once believe solved. now the fbi is revisiting a half century old case. >> his name, his parents, his background. none of it was true. >> a bizarre mystery nearly 50 years in the making. >> the story was first reported -- >> and it was like overnight, the whole country just erupted with this story. >> a strange twist now in a 50-year-old cold case. the fbi is reopening a 1964 case. >> i told paul, you know, i got a feeling we're going to help you solve this. >> here's barbara walters. >> good evening. tonight, a most bizarre story. what would you do if everything you thought you knew about your life was a lie? and the real truth -- >> during the "20/20" interview, barbara walters is a legend. you look at barbara walters, she's a legend. she hits good questions and she wants to get to the heart of the story as quick as possible. i figured the more eyes on this story, the better our chances of finding answers and solving it. >> in the summer of 1966, the fronczaks believed their family had been miraculously reunited. do you remember how you felt when paul said, i'm not really sure who i am? >> the first time he told me i thought he was joking. i thought he was kidding around. >> it wasn't fun. it was exhausting and tiring and, you know, shlepping our kid across the country to go to new york and meet all these people. >> it hits home with how my mother-in-law felt, and then it hits home the pain that she went through then. i'm sure she's feeling it now. >> it was very uncomfortable for me, but i did it for him to be supportive. and to be there for him. whatever he needed i would do. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> paul had done a story with george knapp out of las vegas, and that was the first time that i heard about his story. i sent a message to him saying look, i think that dna testing could help him find the answer to his mystery. i strongly feel that everyone has an equal right, a birthright, to know about their heritage. it doesn't mean they have the right to have a relationship with their biological family, but it certainly means that they deserve the knowledge of where they came from. >> in the meantime, fronczak is doing what he can to fill in some of the missing pieces of his life. >> now, because this one was in the media, i knew that he was getting a lot of tips from the public. but i was really just focused on the dna. and just trying to find those answers, and then other people are going to take it from there. >> i had co-founded a dna interest group, and we had gone to dinner after one of our meetings, and i was talking about paul's case. >> we would always go and have drinks, which was really the best part, you know. there was kind of a core group of us. >> c.c. offered that if i had an empty time, i could fill it up with this. boy, did that turn out to be true. >> it was all women, all taking time away from their families, to try to help paul find his answers. >> the dna is sequenced. and then that sequence is unique to paul. and then they run that sequence up against everybody else in the database. so when you get your matches, you could get 1,000 matches. so there were a thousand people potentially to reach out to. >> paul didn't really have a sense of what was going on. and part of the reason is because how do you explain, you know, we didn't have anything to show him. almost all the time we had nothing to show him. >> he didn't know who he could trust. but we knew we were going to solve the case, but it was hard to convince him that we were the ones that were going to do it. >> they were called the search angels. and their mission was to help people using dna to build their family trees. but i wasn't getting anywhere. no biological hits. no family. and all of a sudden this name popped up, alan fisch. and it said second cousin. i thought, this is huge. because when we're second cousins, we share great grandparents. so alan and i decided we would meet in new york. and he was super excited, and i was -- i was ecstatic, because i had been on these dna sites for a long time with zero hits on family. >> it was so exciting to hear that he had a second cousin. and i thought, oh, great, this is going to be easy, right? 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and i said oh, my god, yeah. i was 15 years old, and this girl lived up the street. supposedly had a crush on me. i won't go into details, but five seconds, maybe ten at the most, that was the end of the whole relationship. gone. she said, i have good news and i have bad news. i said, well, what's the good news? she said, you're the father of alan fisch. he's been searching for you for a long time. i get a little emotional, excuse me. i mean, this was just the strangest experience that anybody could experience. it was amazing. and i said, wait a minute, what was the bad news? he passed away eight months ago. so they lifted me up and then dropped me down, because if i have a son, i want to meet him. and she said, there's another fellow, a paul fronczak, that's searching for his parents. he ended up being related to alan. and i'm thinking, oh, my god, so whoever this fellow is looking, he's looking for his parents and they're related. he's got to be related to me. >> when lenny's results came back and we learned that he was alan's biological father, that was huge. now we have someone sharing about 6% of paul's dna. that told us that one of lenny's first cousins should be one of paul's birth parents. that was amazing, and i knew we were starting to go in the right direction. so even though i was focused on getting the answers for paul about his own identity, i was still hoping who might be the real paul in finding the real paul for his parents. >> it was clear that this was of ultimate importance to him, and this is something that he desperately needed. not just wanted, but needed. >> as everything played out and we got deeper into it, it was on the news, we used to get strange phone calls. we used to get letters in the mail, i think i'm the real paul fronczak, i think my dad was. i was supportive, but when my life became a circus, that's when i became frustrated. because he then became obsessed. he would come home from work and get on the computer. he would be talking to george on the phone. he was so focused on that, he was letting everything else go. he wasn't focused on all the good that he did have. >> i think michelle would think i was obsessed. i was just committed. and i -- i -- i could have been more present at that moment with my family. but i thought i was working towards a greater good. trust no one . >> is that your life philosophy then? >> yes, it really is. >> i don't know that there was any one moment where i thought we can't do this or this is impossible. i think the more that he was absent from our day-to-day life and we started fighting about things, umm, i just knew this needs to stop. but never in a million years did i think i was going to be divorced. i don't like talking about this stuff. i don't want to talk about this any more. >> we started to build up lenny's family tree, because we knew we had to find somebody who was living to test for dna. but we were starting to run out of people. we found out lenny had two cousins named gilbert and leonard. gilbert was dead and leonard had disappeared. but i managed to track down his ex-wife, lynn. i wondered whether she would maybe talk. and so i decided to give her a call. [ phone ringing ] >> so from florida, lynn started telling me a little bit about gilbert and his wife, marie. they were kind of a secretive couple who mostly kept to themselves. and we knew that gilbert and marie had three children, but lynn revealed to me that they also had a set of twins. who were around the same age as paul. she remembered visiting the family, but one year the twins were there, and the next year they visited, they had vanished. and no one in the family knew where they were. >> i mean, my hands were shaking. >> we were in shock. i was shocked to hear that these twins existed. knowing that gilbert and marie's family had contained twins that were now unaccounted for. we needed to figure out exactly when they were born, what she remembered about them. what their names were. and she did remember that they were either born in october of '62 or october of '63, and she was absolutely certain of that, because she remembered that the twins were born on their older sister's birthday. and, in fact, she remembered that there had been a newspaper article published because it was such an unusual thing. she knew that she had seen this newspaper article at some point, so that was really a big, big piece of information, because we could find that newspaper article about the birth of these twins, we could prove that they existed. ♪ ♪ >> i was at work, and c.c. texted me "can you talk?" she said, everyone is here, the team is here, we're all on speakerphone, and she said, what do you think of the name jack? and i said, that's a good name. that's a strong name. she said, that's your name. and before i could even process that, she's like, but there's more. you have a twin sister. and her name is jill. and she vanished. and i was like, what the -- i get this elation to find out that i think we might know who i am. i know my name now. but then it's taken away immediately, with the fact that i had a twin sister, which is huge news by itself. but the fact that she was missing, too. i've got to find out more about this. i need to find out the family, the story, all these things. i've got to find my twin sister now. subway®... has so much new it didn't fit it in their last ad. like this new and improved steak and cheese loaded with our new tender steak that's marinated and thicker sliced, on our new artisan italian bread. man, you covered up the footlong! the eat fresh refresh at subway®. it's too much new to fit in one commerc- ♪ luna rossa ocean the new fragrance by prada healthy habits come in all sizes. like little walks. and, getting screened for colon cancer. that's big because when caught in early stages, it's more treatable. hey, cologuard! hi. i'm noninvasive and i detect altered dna in your stool to find 92% of colon cancers, even in early stages. early stages! yep, it's for people 45 plus at average risk for colon cancer, not high risk. false positive and negative results may occur. ask your provider if cologuard is right for you. count me in! me too! so that includes philly cheese. everything comes with jack cheese. i just realized that. >> jack cheese. >> oh, my gosh. i'm going to get the sausage patties and eggs. >> excellent choice, madame. >> actually, i do have a question for you now that i think about it. >> what's that? >> how many names do you have? >> so i have jack, scott, paul. >> you're scott? >> i was scott, too. >> scott mckinley. >> scott mckinley, yeah. but the most important name is what? >> daddy. >> so do you want to know about jill? >> do you think she's still alive? >> do i think she's still alive? i hope she's still alive. i'm going to find her either way. do you want to help me find her? >> i mean, yeah, i'm down. >> hopefully she's alive. >> on my iphone and then boom, welcome, meet jill, best friends reunite, done. ♪ ♪ >> thank you very much. >> i found out that my real family, i had two older sisters and a younger brother. one older sister passed away at a very young age, which is very concerning for me, because the main reason i started this was to let my daughter know about my true medical history. i was able to reach out to my younger brother, and he informed me that he had no idea that he had a brother or sister. at first, he was very open with me, and apologized for what happened. and then he did a complete 180 and said i want nothing to do with this. i think this is a scam. don't contact me again. i was able to meet my older sister, who kind of said she never heard of the twins, but also seemed like she was guarded. so it's -- it makes me wonder, you know, what do they really know? most people know where they came from. they know their history. they know their upbringing. i really don't. >> nice shot! >> that pain is with me every day. but i just choose not to think about it. i do want to experience things more emotionally. i want to be human. so i want to go back and understand why everything happened. and if i understand why it happened, i think that will help me -- help me move forward. so right now, i'm heading towards atlantic city, to meet with my second cousin, toby. atlantic city was my home. i was born there. i lived the first two years of my life there. i would like to find out how two children that were there complete livanished and were never thought of or spoken of again. this is really -- up. this is like -- i watch a lot of movies. i've never seen a movie this messed up. this is really twisted. it's like "twilight zone." ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> so your father was a nice person originally. this whole thing is very difficult for me to understand. gilbert and i would come on the boardwalk, and then we would just walk and have fun and play in the ocean together. he was just a very kind, nice boy. the last time i spoke to gilbert is when he came back from korea with shell shock, as they called it then. and i knew that -- that he was a different person. but i never realized what he had gone through from the war. and he came back, he was a different person. he was not the gilbert i know. >> all right. so tell me what do you see in that picture? >> well, i see your mother, i see she's pregnant. she looks happy. i have no idea who the girl would be. >> i believe that's my older sister. >> marie was very quiet. they were like two shadows. like gilbert would make a decision and marie would go along with it. i really did not hear her talk to much. >> marie is pregnant with jack and jill. this is august of '63. we were born in october. >> she looks happy. i don't know what happened along the way. >> something sure snapped. >> a woman called susan has contacted me through my website. she said she was a neighbor here in atlantic city. and knew me and my sister when we were babies. >> nice to meet you. >> oh, my god. >> how is everything going? i'm jack. >> hi, jack. >> this is me when i was 14, turning 15. it was when i babysat for you. just one time. i used to babysit for the people next door. and as i was coming out one day, your mother, marie, she had asked me if i would babysit the girls. they were your sisters. and i told her i would do that. when i got there, she said that the girls could sleep anywhere they wanted. they could have anything they wanted to eat. i didn't need to bother with the twins upstairs. >> how did you know there were twins? did she come out and say that? >> she said there were twins upstairs. she said you don't have to bother up there. i didn't know she had twins to begin with. when she left, i went upstairs because i couldn't understand how you could not take care of babies. so i went upstairs, and when i walked into your room, you had -- your crib was here, and jill's crib was here. and that's all there was in that room. >> no toys? >> no. >> nothing? >> i didn't see any toys. and it smelled. the sheets on the bed were stained from urine. and i walked over to your crib, and you were dirty. you had a black eye. >> i had a black eye? >> you had a black eye, and you looked afraid. you really looked afraid. like most babies, when you walk in a room, they get all excited. there's somebody coming, you know? they want the attention. you didn't do that. neither did jill. she was just sitting there watching. but when i picked her up, she was so quiet. it was like she was resigned to the fact that this is how it is. >> wow. did you stay with us all night in that room? >> no. the parents didn't come home that night. they didn't come home till the next day. >> so they went out all night? >> yeah. >> that's crazy. >> when they came home, they were very angry, your mother especially was really angry. >> because you actually helped us? >> yeah. and she smelled like liquor. i guess they were out partying, i don't know. your father didn't say much, but he had a mean look on his face. so after i left, i went home, and my mom told me that it's none of my business. so i didn't know what to do, so all my life i've wondered where you went, and i really convinced myself at one point that maybe they took you to relatives, that maybe you had a good life, you know? but i didn't know. i didn't know what to do. >> that's okay. ♪ ♪ >> my whole life i've always been searching for a job, a different gig, for a different girlfriend. maybe all this started when i was taken apart from my twin sister. you have to keep searching for something to fill that void. i think something bad happened to jill. why else would they give me away? but i really also want to think that she's alive, because i could have thought the same thing about the real paul, but i didn't. i chose to only think that he was alive. >> this is george. >> hey george, it's paul. >> hey, man, what are you doing? >> i'm doing well. you got a second? >> yeah, of course. >> have you heard anything? >> we're on stand by. we're ready to go. whenever the story pops, we're going to go on the air and put out the information. we'll take it from there. >> so how does this usually work? when do these stories break when something is going to break? >> i don't think there's anything like your story that's normal, so to predict would be foolish to try. everyone is getting pretty serious about trying to track it down and figure out who it is. and where they are. i think you're in for a shitstorm coming. >> wouldn't be the first time, right? >> no. assuming the information that we heard is true, that it's going to break, i'm waiting for them to come out and say baby paul, the child that was kidnapped 55 years ago, is alive. ♪ thousands of women with metastatic breast cancer are living in the moment and taking ibrance. ibrance with an aromatase inhibitor is for postmenopausal women or for men with hr+, her2- metastatic breast cancer as the first hormonal based therapy. ibrance plus letrozole significantly delayed disease progression versus letrozole. ibrance may cause low white blood cell counts that may lead to serious infections. ibrance may cause severe inflammation of the lungs. both of these can lead to death. tell your doctor if you have new or worsening chest pain, cough, or trouble breathing. before taking ibrance, tell your doctor if you have fever, chills, or other signs of infection, liver or kidney problems, are or plan to become pregnant, or are breastfeeding. for more information about side effects talk to your doctor. ♪ be in your moment. ask your doctor about ibrance. 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(fridge closing) (crowd noises) (cheering) (laughter) ♪ ♪ a baby mysteriously kidnapped in 1964 may finally have been found more than half a century later. >> 55 years after paul fronczak's disappearance, george knapp says he's been found. fronczak is now living in michigan, and has kids of his own. >> his children became convinced that their dad was the real deal, was the real paul. >> their father, whose dna matched the baby's, wants to remain anonymous. >> imagine what a shock it would be, you're 55 years old. you think you know who you are. you think you know who your family is, and you suddenly get a bolt out of the blue that tells you, you're not that guy after all. you're this guy. you are a kidnapped baby. >> so far the man believed to be the true paul fronczak has not reunited with his mother. ♪ ♪ >> i can't imagine waking up and being told my mom wasn't my mom. it just caught my father completely off guard. and it took him quite a while to even fully understand what did happen. that there was a kidnapping. that the baby never reappeared, and that it was him. >> we are the real paul fronczak's daughters. our father is a very private man, and we wish to respect that. >> i ordered a dna kit from online thinking i wanted to learn more about our family. and it came back that i had a connection with somebody who i had never heard of as a relative, and that person told me that there was a possibility that we would have some kind of connection to this story. >> he was raised by a single mom. >> our grandmother. >> she loved him. >> our grandma was being accused of being the kidnapper, but there were no facts and there still are no facts for us to know what happened and how he was kidnapped. this was a huge shock, and it came at the same time as he was diagnosed with a stage 4 cancer. his cancer started spreading fast, and it was just over a year later that he was taken, that he passed away. >> we would love to have a relationship with dora. we think about her often and just pray that she has some peace in knowing what she does know. ♪ >> you know, it's heartbreaking to lose anybody to cancer. but after 50-plus years, you finally find your kidnapped child. you reconnect. you're talking and hopefully planning to meet, and then they're gone. but at least my mom had closure. she was able to speak with him. she got to say good-bye to him, and she knows that he was there and that he lived a decent life. >> hey, mom. >> oh, my goodness. i was so happy and so pleased to hear from him. we didn't have a long conversation. i asked him a few questions about his life and so forth, but it was just such a thrill to be able to hear his voice and talk with him. but it was difficult for me because i had so many questions that i really wanted to ask him. but it was really talking, knowing it was my son but that i was talking to a stranger. so then when he did call again at christmastime, he tried to -- he just mainly called to say that he wished me a merry christmas and had hoped that maybe one day we would be able to meet one another. but at that time, he was getting very ill. it's just sad that his health was in jeopardy, and i just feel so hurt that we never really got to meet him and see him. just so enlightening to think that i was able to be able to be talking with him and had that joy of hearing his voice. >> that's amazing. >> so when you're notified that the fbi thought they found paul and you drove to new jersey and you were placed in the room with dad, and then i came in, you had to make your mind up. how did you feel about being -- being there in that situation? >> when -- when you walked into the room, the light just -- everything just lit up. you were such a beautiful child, such a beautiful boy, and i -- i just thought this child is here. there's a possibility he might be our biological child, or he might not. if i -- if i said no, i would live with that all my life. i said -- we said, yes, and this -- we live with that. we live with peace because we -- we felt regardless of what had occurred, we felt that we did the right thing. i found peace with that. i found peace. i didn't feel like i had to be searching for something else because i felt i had the answer right there. but it took many years just to find the difference, so -- >> we're still a family. >> right. >> and i'm still your son. >> that's right. >> i just want to say i'm really thankful that you and dad were my parents and that you raised me, you took care of me, you put up with me. and i'm really grateful for our relationship now. >> well, i'm glad that we raised you too, and i'm glad that you kept us on our toes a little bit. it was great. i got two pauls. >> love you, paul. >> love you too, mom. ♪ >> there he is. >> what's happening, cuz? >> nothing much. >> looking forward to see you. >> you look amazing. good to see you. how's everything going? >> good. everything's great. >> so you just practicing? >> yeah. ♪ >> it's weird. i feel like i'm sitting with your father here now. you're looking a lot like him. >> i want to hear a lot about him. >> i can tell you everything i know. ♪ ♪ if you leave me now, you take away the biggest part of me ♪ ♪ ooh, girl, baby please don't go ♪ ♪ if you leave me, you'll break my heart ♪ ♪ a love like ours, this love is hard to find ♪ ♪ how could we let it slip a away ♪ ♪ we've come too far to leave it all behind ♪ ♪ how could we end it all this way ♪ ♪ when tomorrow comes and we both regret the things we said today ♪ ♪ if you leave me now, you'll take away the biggest part of me ♪ ♪ ooh, no, baby please don't go ♪ hi. good to have you along this hour. welcome to all of our viewers here in the u.s. and all around the world. i'm robyn curnow live in atlanta. coming up, it is a big week for joe biden and his agenda. the u.s. president ignoring critics and maybe the math, predicting his infrastructure bill will pass. and the end of an era election in germany. official results showing which party has a leg up in taking angela merkel's mantle. >> pfizer set to submit data to the fda on how well its covid vaccine works in young children. we'll tell you what has to happen next before they can get

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