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gets through the house and the senate? >> very little, in fact, there's virtually no chance it gets through both chambers. the house is scheduled to take a vote in just about an hour and a half or so, in order to raise the national debt limit and avoid a government shut down. that deadline to avoid a government shut down is september 30th, the end of the fiscal year. the deadline to avoid a first time ever default on the nation's debt is mid october. and there is no resolution to get out of either. democrats are trying to pair up those two issues. they will pass it out of the democratic controlled house today and then it will move to the senate where they need 60 votes to achieve that. democrats are insisting republicans must join them to raise the debt limit, given the debt that was accrued during the trump era. republicans say given the spending that occurred under the first nine months of the biden administration that it's up to democrats alone to do t and they're calling on a separate process to be employed in order for democrats to do that. something the top democrats and the white house are rejecting. moments ago i had a chance to ask republican and democratic leaders if there was any give and it was clear the lines have been drawn. >> aren't you also responsible for raising the deficit and debt of the biden administration? >> even if it adds slightly to the national debt, it pales in comparison to what we're talking about here a massive, massive inquiries, in taxing and spending. >> reporter: can you guarantee and reassure the american public that ultimately you will raise the debt ceiling if it requires just democrats to do it? >> secretary yellen has made extremely clear that it would be a tremendous mistake to deviate from a bipartisan solution when it comes to raising the debt ceiling and that's what we democrats are focused on. >> reporter: that last point critical. i asked schumer if democrats would be willing to do it on their own ultimately. he was not able to say that, and mcconnell would not take responsibility by voting to raise the deficit by $250 billion for the infrastructure bill. a long way to go. >> knownot only a long way for congress as a whole but within the democratic party, he wants this big $3.5 trillion social safety government spending plan, and democrats can't agree on this. >> this is the progressive and moderate divide is threatening to sink the entire biden agenda. today they are planning moving ahead on a vote, september 27th. next monday, on that house senate passed infrastructure bill that is awaiting action in the house. the progressives are warning that they will sink that bill, if that larger democratic only bill has not passed both the house and the senate by next week. now, there is virtually no chance that they can get that larger package through both chambers next week. they don't have an agreement about what that will look like, the size, scope, price tag, what to include, what not to include, and the steps it would take to move through the legislative process. it's a major question on capitol hill, if the progressives will carry through on their threat, sink the infrastructure bill to give them leverage, push through the larger democratic only package, and they have no margin for error in the senate. they need all 50 democrats to get on board behind that which they don't have at the moment, and they could only afford to lose three on the house side, so it just shows you a lot of questions still and uncertainty about whether biden can get any of that $5 trillion in spending through. guys. >> manu raju, thank you very much for explaining all of that. now, all of this infighting among democrats could put the rest of president biden's agenda in jeopardy. cnn's white house correspondent phil mattingly joins us live. if this vote fails, i don't know where to begin with you in terms of the house of cards that could affect president biden's agenda. >> i'm chuckling at the procedural nightmare that manu coherent laid out, which is difficult to do, but it underscores if the 30,000 foot level just this legislative pile up that is at a degree i have never seen before in more than a decade of covering washington in terms of every major component that the president cares about, the democratic majorities in the house and senate, no matter how bare, promised that they would deliver on running headlong up against extraordinarily consequential deadlines, a government shut down or the first default in the history of the country. none of them have a clear pathway forward at this moment in time. i think when you talk to administration officials right now, they reck anything the complexity here. they recognize the difficulty. they will say they are cautiously optimistic that they will find that pathway forward, and part of the reason is quite simple. they have no other option, right, guys. if you're a democrat and you're looking towards the midterms or looking towards what you ledged when you were running for election in 2020, you were pledging to deliver on these items that president biden c campaigned on, and ravaged by the coronavirus pandemic, that the president said he was going to deliver on. these are the economic items. you can put aside issues like voting rights, gun control, immigration, police reform, all of those issues, the white house is cognizant, don't have the votes in the senate to move forward. where they have the votes and should have the votes, pass it in a democratic only manner is on this economic agenda, on this social safety net expansion. that's why there's been frustration on the democratic side of things, as they thread the needle between progressives and moderates. that's why you hear the necessary from the president on down of the white house of the urgency of this moment. this is what you ran on. this is what you said you would deliver on. now is the moment to do just that, and still there's quite a long way to go, and time windows are closing extraordinarily fast, guys. >> yes, they are. phil mattingly at the white house. thank you so much, let's bring in cnn chief political correspondent dana bash, and cnn anchor and chief national affairs analyst, kasie hunt. welcome to both of you, dana let me start with you. the progressives say no on the infrastructure bill, there's supposed to be a vote on monday, if the larger bill isn't passed in both chambers first. that's not going to happen. speaker pelosi has to either break her promise to these moderates who she said there would be a vote on monday or get votes from republicans to compensate, which is the path of least resistance? is there one that's more likely than the other? >> i would not think that there is much of a chance if any of her getting votes from across the aisle on this. in fact, i have been communicating with some of the potential moderate republicans in the house, those who have crossed party lines on some issues. it just doesn't seem to be in the cards for her right now on this issue because it has become so partisan, and i know we're talking about a lot of issues right now. let me be specific, this issue meaning the whole notion of bipartisan, excuse me, of the partisan spending bill. the bipartisan infrastructure bill, i should say, will have some republican votes. but not enough to overcome the deficit that she is likely to have if she doesn't strike a deal with progress i democrats. now, what is going to be most fascinating if we can just take it up again to the big picture, like phil just did, is to see how speaker pelosi figures this out because i know kasie was on the hill, as have i, we have seen nancy pelosi pull a rabbit out of a hat, whether it was obamacare, whether it was, you know, getting prescription drug benefit on medicare, i mean, name your issue. everybody was writing the obituary of that particular policy initiative. and she, with the help of others but for the most part, she made it happen. it is now on her lap, and it is a question of whether she can do it one more time, and this might be the most difficult because her majority in the house is so narrow. >> from the outside, outside of the capital beltway, these machinations are head spinning. the idea. >> they are inside too. >> i mean, they must be because as phil mattingly just said, it's so complicated, you know, the house of cards, i was calling it, and so what does this mean for president biden's agenda. is he going to get what he wants or is this all going to fall apart? >> i thought phil put it well, which is, you know, normally we cover one of these crises at a time, and we'll spend days or even weeks worrying about whether the government is going to shut down or whether we're going to bust through the debt ceiling without them doing anything or whether a president's agenda is going to get through, and right now, the reason it's so hard to explain is because we're doing all of that in an incredibly compressed period, and that's why threading the needing is so difficult for nancy pelosi. big picture for president biden, this is his shot right here to actually make his mark. he came into office, he put a bust of fdr in the oval office. he thought about those new deal programs, and he said this is the agenda that i want to enact, and if you talk to democrats on the hill, they'll say, this is a chance to reshape the way we live as americans in the biggest manner since probably fdr if not the great society, so there is everything on the line right now because if he doesn't do it now, we're heading headlong into midterm campaign season, and you can already see said campaign season making it more difficult for the president here. and this is also a place, i will say, where the president's other troubles, all of the things we have been covering in the past couple of weeks, what happened in afghanistan, things that are showing in places like iowa, for example, his approval rating has taken a hit. what that does is diminishes the power he has to strong arm his members on capitol hill. when obama was president in the beginning, everybody wanted to be on board with him. by the end he struggled to get members of congress on board here. i know some congressional democrats are telling me, hey, we want the white house to weigh in a little bit more, but this is where it comes together, and the president's others may be affecting how he spreads that message. >> let me talk about the big lie and what we're talking about the book "peril," there's a memo, that's a 6-point plan on how former vice president pence was supposed to have thrown out the electors from seven states, declared that there aren't enough, no one thit 270 and either determined president trump has won with 232 or then tossed it back to the house, and let them choose president trump for a second term. cnn now has a copy of this memo. unconstitutional, mike lee said that, you know, you might as well go to queen elizabeth with this, because congress can't do it. but there was a plan. >> there was an idea. there was an idea. >> better said. >> yeah. your point is so well taken, victor, because even as you said, if you have the mike lees of the world saying that's just not how it works, that's not constitutional, that says a lot. i mean, you and a person and in this case, that person was the then president, donald trump, can probably find a lawyer to make whatever case he was asking for, and by the way, we saw that. we saw that in press conferences around the country as they not only moved from that memo, but they moved from that to courthouses where they were slapped back in trying to overturn the election. that in particular, though, is really, i struggle to find words with this because every single time we learn a new subplot, a new piece of evidence, a new wrinkle in what we all witnessed and in caexperienced on capitol hill, it blows your mind, and it's a reminder that mike pence, the then vice president who was overseeing the electoral college count could have taken that and said, okay, you know what, i buy it, and then it would have been a complete and total constitutional crisis, but he didn't. >> it's chilling. it's chilling to see how close they could have come if mike pence had just made a different decision. but wait, there's more. this just in from the "new york times," there's more information now about the conspiracy theories about dominion voting systems. we have more information about what was going on behind the scenes. in the trump campaign that had just lost the election two weeks earlier, the deputy campaign director, zach parkinson said what is this that president trump is talking about, dominion voting systems, there's something connected to venezuela, what is all of this? go out, he tasked his underlings, go out and find me the evidence and come back, you've got a couple of days. they couldn't find anything. they came back and said none of this makes sense. in other words, internally, within the campaign, while rudy giuliani and sidney powell were going out there to hold these press conferences, they knew it was bs. >> they did. and this is exactly what dana was talking about, and it turns out according to this reporting in the times that they were well aware that they didn't have anything to back this up. why does this matter in this moment, why is it coming out now because of course dominion voting's business was badly damaged by what the trump campaign, and other right wing media outlets were willing to say about their business and credibility, and there are lawsuits digging up new information like this in addition to of course the reporting that our colleagues at the times are doing, and you know, this just underscores again, and i share with dana a struggle sometimes to find words for this because, you know, the reality is we all knew this. you used the phrase bs. everybody knew it was bs at the time. whether they were part of the trump campaign or part of, you know, the democratic opposition. those of us who were trying to make it clear to viewers or readers in our roles as journalists, it was incredible obviously. of course that's not what donald trump is, a, believing, i think we're learning a lot in books coming out about the way he thinks about this, and it's clear, he believes deeply this election was taken from him, and that's what he's telling his supporters and they're deciding that the only person they can believe was him, even though the evidence shows that they knew this was wrong, and so again, we go back to this question of how do we pull people out of this vortex that's been created and that is apparently still perhaps going to continue if in fact the former president decides he wants to run for office again. >> if i just may quickly add, i sent that "new york times" story to a former trump official, and i got a one word, three word response back, duh. >> that's my one word, three-letter 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>> it seems to have subsided over the last week. it was quite extraordinary people because people were protesting at my home. i believe in freedom of speech, so i respect that, but it's my family involved, is and like any dad or husband, you can imagine my concern. we did have an unusual turn of events. as i shared before, i was worried about the individuals protesting, one, i was worried they were going to catch covid, and they were probably scaring people from getting vaccinated. hawaii is at 88% of those eligible for getting their vaccinations. the twist that occurred was the founder of that organization caught covid, and got very sick. >> i heard that. his name is chris wycoff. he had been opposed to vaccines. he was opposed to any sort of mandates, and i mean, really aggressively opposed and then as you say, this month, he got really sick and hospitalized and then he had a change of heart. we only have a very short message that he put out, but here it is. >> now, all of a sudden, i'm in a bed, i can't move, i can't breathe. >> so he talked about how he was afraid he was going to die, and he talked about we should be more concerned about safety than protesting. i think people should be getting together in large groups -- he said i don't think people should be getting together in large groups to protest, and he said before i thought that lieutenant governor josh green was exaggerating the situation, but after my experience, he sounds very rational to me. is that gratifying to you? >> really i feel heartsick that he got so ill. i hope he gets better, and i hope his wife gets better. it's only gratifying to me that people are focused on getting vaccinated now. i want him to get well. and i want all of the individuals who are protesting to realize that their friend got covid because they had the wrong priority. the priority should be for us to pull together, not make this a political issue. get vaccinated or at least prevent spreading the disease. so i hope he does better. i hope recovers completely, but i hope america gets better, and that's my message. america can do better, protect our loved ones, get through the rest of this pandemic. not rationing care, and we'll see that we're a stronger country. this is a pivotal moment for many people like that gentleman. >> lieutenant governor josh green, thank you. >> thank you. a principal in texas could soon be unemployed. he's facing accusations of having extreme views on race. the debate about critical race theory is playing out in schools. we'll explain how, next. i don't just play someone brainy on tv - i'm an actual neuroscientist. and i love the science behind neuriva plus. unlike ordinary memory supplements, neuriva plus fuels six key indicators of brain performance. more brain performance? 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>> yeah, well victor, and alisyn, they basically voted to move forward with the nonrenewal process of dr. whitfield's contract. in this step one because it is a two step process here, in the step one, the school board laid out their reasons which are basically accusations at this point of why they believe they should not move forward with renewing his contract, and there are six main ones and among their accusations were that there were performance and communication concerns, behavior to supervisors, dishonesty with the media, failure to express concerns appropriately, dividing the community, and relationship with parents, community and colleagues. i should note that when the dividing the community accusation was read, the entire room, which was full of parents and community members busted out laughing. one person was yelling repeatedly at the school board, you are full of it, in more explicit terms. that showed there were a lot of people in support of dr. whitfield throughout that hearing, and he even spoke himself in brief defense of the accusations against him. take a listen. >> i can assure you, i have not changed. i'm still the same man today as when you hired me. you promoted me twice in three years. what has changed since july 26th. >> thank you, dr. whitfield. >> now, as you mentioned, the school board said this was not about critical race theory, race or anyone calling for his firing in particular. dr. whitfield's lawyer today, however, said they asked the school board prior to that meeting space to defend themselves, to address the board and the lawyer says the board said no. instead, they were afforded the opportunity that the general public was just a minute to speak on their own situation. i mentioned this is one of two step process. the next step, he'll be able to defend himself in a formal hearing through evidence and testimony. at that point, they'll make a final decision on whether he'll be fired or not. victor, alisyn. >> is anybody saying specifically what the extreme views on race are? >> they are pointing to facebook posts, a post where in particular, dr. whitfield, he had to take to facebook and social media to defend himself where he basically said this is not about critical race theory. this is about fear of being the first black principal at his school. and that's why he feels, at least from what i have seen, very taken aback and offended in these cases, as many community members who spoke at that meeting, you listen to them, many of them are angry because they feel that the voice of a few, at least one person who leveled an accusation against this principal at a school board is taking precedent over what the voices of those in the community are actually saying, and so that seems to be the dispute, but no, there is not one single definitive post that seems to be the place where all of this is exploding from. >> all right. omar jimenez, thank you. the folks at johnson & johnson say a second dose of its covid vaccine gives patients an equivalent immunity boost to that of pfizer and moderna's vaccine. we'll talk about that. but first, we want to introduce, we are cnn, the first multiplatform brand campaign that highlights our achievements and commitment to the work around cnn's global diversity, equity, and inclusion efforts across all screens, and behind the scenes. >> i'm dr. sanjay gupta. >> i'm adrienne broaddus in chicago. >> i'm omar jimenez in minneapolis. >> this is the screen where it happens, the moments that can k change the world. >> these are the faces we see, the voices we empower. >> who's on the screen, and who's behind it? 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>> that was your favorite. >> this was my favorite. >> you know it was in good hands. >> i know this is personal for you. i didn't always know why. >> right. >> now i know why. >> this is my son, jamez. >> when jamez got in trouble for unpaid speeding tickets, shara saw how easily one mistake could derail a young man's life. >> i commend this lady because she never ever ever gaifve up o me and that's why i'm here. >> when you're helping a young man in his late 20s, early 30s, how often are you thinking about jamez. >> always. especially going into the juvenile jail. i saw so many there. >> the norm is to expect they reo reoffend. she knows if given the support, if given the resources can build lives to rebuild their family. the status quo is not acceptable. and she knows that that has to be challenged. >> i'm not only giving them a suit. i'm giving them their dignity. i'm giving them that spark that they thought they didn't have because they felt they were less than someone else. it's amazing what just feeling the part in a new suit can do. >> so listen, we'll continue to share these inspirational stories. be sure to join alisyn and me on saturday at 8:00 p.m. eastern for the champions for change one-hour special. >> that was so inspiring, victor. what a great story. >> you know, i just love that shara has committed so much of her life. she'll meet a man in her parking lot and offer him suits and shoes and ties or anything, and she has been doing it for so long with not much attention. she now is getting her flowers, and she's helped so many men. the stories are phenomenal. >> it's wonderful because obviously you need the tools in order to break the cycle. how can you break the cycle if you don't have, as as heshe saie training and job resume help and the suits and are able to wear the outfit. were those your ties, does she have your ties there still? 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