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Evidence that the dangers to our country can come not only across borders but from violence that gathers within. There is little cultural overlap between violent extremists abroad and violent extremists at home. But in their disdain in their disregard for human life, in their determination to defile national symbols, they are children of the same foul spirit. And it is our continuing duty to confront them. Those who seek to maim and kill members of our dulyelected government are children of the same foul spirit as those who tried to destroy americas institutions 20 years ago. A stark message and how one feels about formerpresident george w. Bush, you might think a message that condemns extremists abroad and at home is Something Everyone can agree on. You might think that but you would be wrong. Because even though george w. Bush mentioned no names, one person clearly heard something that sounded familiar in the phrase, disdain for Pluralism And Determination to defile national symbols. Or maybe, it was the foul spirit. Because based on his response, the 45th President Of The United States clearly felt, hey, that sounds like me. He responded today by saying Bush Isnt a winner, and that he shouldnt be lecturing us about anything. Or maybe, trump just thinks someone has to stick up for domestic terrorists because they dont get enough love. To misquote shakespeare, the Liar Doth Protest too much me thinks. If you think thats unfair, just look at how he chose to spend his September 11th, a day that is generally about Sacrifice And Unity and patriotism. For trump, it was about attacks, lies, and selfaggrandizement. He made quick stops at a Firehouse And Police station in Midtown Manhattan and he cut a video for a religious event at the mall in d. C. And by the Look And Sound of them, you would think they were political rallies because he was the center of attention. A big entrance. Glad handing. And of course, attacking the current president. This time, over the afghanistan pullout. One he, of course, shares the blame for. Again, this was on September 11th. At the police station, he claimed and i hate to talk about it on this day. Well, you could have fooled anyone who watched because, there he was at the police station, at the Fire Department in that video at the religious event talking about it. And not just about afghanistan. But the Big Lie at the heart of the January6th Riot and that Farright Rally thiscoming weekend. We have a rigged election. You gave me great support. We won the election. But what are you going to do . We are fighting like hell and were going to keep fighting. And the election was rigged. If they fought the war the way they fought the election where they stole it, i dont even say stole it. They rigged it. Again, that was at a police station, then a Fire Station in new York City on September 11th. While other president s were attending solemn events dedicated to the memories of those whose lives were lost. Later, the former president provided commentary for a pay per View Boxing Match along with his eldest son. This is how he chose to remember 9 11. All in all, indecency at its most indecent. And the oneterm former president , his relevance, though, cannot be easily dismissed. New polling from cnn shows that among republican voters, almost twothirds believe he should be the republican partys leader. 63 said yes. Only 37 said no. Republican voters are almost evenly split on whether he should run in 20 24. 51 say yes but the difference is within the margin of error. What also cant be dismissed is that Bidens Predecessor attacked Bushs Message the same day the Capitol Police say they arrested a man who had multiple knives in his truck. A truck that had a swastika and other white supremacist symbols painted on it. That was this morning. Near the democratic national committee. Quoting formerPresident Bush, again. Children of the same foul spirit and it is our continuing duty to confront them. I am joined now by republican Congressman Adam Kinzinger Who Soev serves on the foreign Affairs Committee and is also a member of the House Select Committee investigating the January6th Riots. Congressman kinzinger, thank you for being with us. The fact the fact that the formerpresident Donald Trump was somehow offended by george w. Bushs condemnation of domestic terrorists. What does that tell you . So, it tells me two things. First off, he just i mean, he proved george ws point as quickly and as amazingly as you can. I mean, the the fact that he is out there dividing on a day you know, if we have to pick one day besides, like, christmas to be unified. Probably, September 11th is a good is a good candidate for that. But the other thing and i just as a quick aside to anybody that still is kind of looking at Donald Trump as a standardbearer for the republican party, this is one of the weakest men that i have ever seen. I mean, if you think about it, you know, what is strength . Strength Isnt Somebody that just gets their dander up every time, you know, because they feel they have such a lack of selfesteem, they feel like they have to go out and attack. Somebody with strength is somebody that can take criticism. That can go out on a day like September 11th and bring people together. And, you know, folks on my side like to use the Term Snowflake when talking about people that get offended real easily. Well, thats Donald Trump. And so, i mean, again, he just went out and proved george w. Bushs point and there needs to be more people. It was so great to here the President Bush say this because, you know, theres just been a lack of people out there saying what needs to be said. You consider Donald Trump weak . Oh, certainly. I mean, i guess to the extent that, you know, strength is what people perceive you have and people look at him and the party. And he is, obviously, the frontrunner. And, of course, he was a former president. I guess, to the extent there, there may be some strength. But i look at it at who he is as a person and and the amount of offended he gets on anything, and how he has to go out and punch down. You know, i mean he will attack a a a radio host, for goodness sakes, when he was President Of The United States. That, to me, at least how i grew up, you know, as a kid born in Central Illinois that, to me, was always weakness. Like, strength was kind of that steady Calm Ability in a rough storm to maintain your steady focus and certainly that is not the former president. Have you heard any any upset or disquiet in republican leadership over how Donald Trump chose to spend September 11th . No. I mean, i im not really in the favor of republican leadership right now. And and and that, in and of itself, is telling because i havent changed an ounce since in the last 11 years. Um, i have been pretty consistent on who i am. But, you know, i mean, look just a week ago, he put out an entire statement about robert e. Lee and how general lee could have won in afghanistan, even though robert e. Lee lost the civil war. I mean, and i didnt hear anything, you know, condemning that. So i guess i have Run Out of kind of hope that leadership would try to distance itself. And we have just gotten so tribal in this country, and it it really is a point, think, we all need to selfreflect and i dont know if we will. I hope so. But we are so tribal that crazy stuff like this can be said and it just, you know, Goes Over Goes Over our heads in many cases. Well, when you say crazy stuff like this, look, a source tells cnn that preparations, you know, obviously, are going on right now at the capitol for this event this saturday. And Law Enforcement Worry that some of the protestors could be armed. Its called justice for January 6th. That is the name of this rally. Justice for January 6th. And i guess, these are the people the president defended today in a statement. The formerpresident Donald Trump defended in a statement today. Yeah. I mean, lets think about this. This these are people that identify as militia members. They would these are the ones that kind of lust after and fetishize this whole idea of overthrowing the federal government. Right . Because now, the federal government might bring you a vaccine. Conveniently, we have to overthrow it. You know, and thats thats what you are dealing with. So i hope saturday i hope this this rally obviously isnt violent. Thats my thats my hope. I guess, thats my expectation. But the fact that were sitting here and that this is now a common occurrence. This is where we have to take inventory of where weve come. You know, for instance, supporting the second amendment as i do doesnt mean you support that people should be able to walk with an ar15 and occupy the michigan state capitol. I mean, there is a point at which we have to just kind of look around and go is this really what we want our kids and and how are we going to ever get out of this, like, such tribal, divided moment were in, you know, without people having to take tough decisions and kind of get past their own personal animosity . Because otherwise, this is just going to grow to a really bad place. Its you say its going to. Look. The republican party, to an extent, has chosen at least as of today what direction they want to go in. The new Cnn Poll i mentioned earlier where you show a clear majority of republicans say that trump is the leader. How do you reconcile that . Youre right. Youre youre right. And, you know, its slightly better than it was five months ago. Um, but if you if you look, i mean, there is a few of my colleagues that will occasionally speak out. You know, i have one, Liz Cheney, that speaks out as much as i do. But, you know, if you are a Republicanbase Voter and, you know, you look at every leader that you know, that you trust, thats a Republican And None of em say anything. In fact, there is this kind of quiet, you know, acquiescence to, ythe election was stolen because i dont want to have to stand up and tell you it wasnt. I guess, maybe we should be impressed that a third of republicans still dont. But thats why leadership is so important. And and, you know, for some reason, we weve gone from when we were in High School Thinking that when you get elected, you actually lead people. To now, believing that when you get elected, you just kind of have to watch public opinion and you become a dog chasing your Tr Tail into traffic. I guess, one of The Things i found striking in all of this is the country has come to a point where a significant number of people are actually defending, publicly defending, what happened on January 6th. I mean, that was the thrust of Trumps Statement about george w. Bush. That is the thrust of this event that is going to be at the capitol this saturday. Its now a Defense Pride almost in what took place. Youre right. And this is why, you know, i have made the decision to be on the January 6th committee. I think i can say Liz Cheney has, as well. Is because we realize without this nonpartisan investigation of what happened, youre going to have this this retelling of history to where it almost becomes an heroic event. I mean, the number of people i talk to that tell me that there was no violence there. Or they tell me that this was still antifa or the fbi drove this. Or even if they admit that it was, you know, trump supporters, that that was okay because in this moment when an election is stolen, that is our duty. Well, thats look, if an election really was stolen and the government was shutting down elections, thats different but thats not what happened. But the problem is leaders wont stand up and tell people the truth. Because for whatever reason, this job that pays 174,000 a year and and you can put a title in front of your name is worth more than your integrity in some cases. I dont get it. Its the parking space. Um, listen. Congressman, i want to shift gears here because secretary of State Antony Blinken was part of this congressional hearing on the u. S. Role from afghanistan. This is something you were part of today. How satisfied were you with what he had to say . Well, i mean completely un unsatisfied. I think there were a couple points that stood out to me. I asked the secretary specifically, there is discussion about recognizing the taliban now. I said at what point do the taliban, in essence, become the Governing Group of afghanistan . Or was this an armed coup . And he just said, well, you know, by default, theyre now in charge. Well, thats us acquiescing to a coup detat. Yet, we still dont have answers on how many afghan civs have been pulled out of afghanistan. And i got to tell you, john, The Thing that concerns me a lot is what i hear on the ground in terms of who is not allowed to get out of afghanistan, versus what we arie being told by stat are two totally different things. One person one of that entities is not telling the full truth and, you know, history will show that. I give Em Credit for coming in front of the committee and he is going to can be in front of the senate, i think, later this week or tomorrow. I am certainly not satisfied, though. Congressman adam kin zing, i do appreciate your time tonight. Thank you very much. Still to come. The california Recall Election. A long time in the making. It, finally, finishes up tomorrow. A preview what to watch for from cnns John King at the Magic Wall. Also, someone who has campaigned for the california governor, Senator Amy Cloeb shear. And later, it is the stuff of legal thrillers but this case is real and involves a prominent wellconnected South Carolina family. A Double Murder and a new investigation. The details when 360 continues. Hi. So youre the scientist here. Does my aveeno® daily moisturizer really make my dry skin healthier in one day . Its true jen. This prebiotic Oat Formula moisturizes to help prevent dry skin. Impressive aveeno® healthy. Its our nature. ™ try the body wash, too. Without my medication, my small tremors would be extreme. I was diagnosed with parkinsons. I had to retire from Law Enforcement. It was devastating. One of my medications is Three Thousand dollars per month. 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The recall has drawn a slew of bigname democrats to the state to support the governor, including our next Guest Senator Amy klobuchar. Before we go to her, though, cnns John King at the Magic Wall to braeak it all down for us, john. Tomorrow, we fill in the map. We count the votes. This is a yes or no election. Yes, recall your democratic governor. End his term in the middle. No, keep Gavin Newsom and his policies in place. Let him finish the term to which he was elected back in 2018. Democrats end this race confident. And here is one of the reasons why. If you look at the data, ballots returned so far. Lot of this election is early voting. People sending these ballots back by mail. Well, political data is a Tracking Firm that works with democrats and nonprofit groups. More than half of the ballots, so far, returned by democrats. Democrats have a 21 Registration Advantage. Right now, 52 from democrats. 25 from republicans. Democrats think they are even exceeding their Registration Advantage in the returns. Now, we have to count the votes but democrats are happy. Here is another reason democrats are happy. Just the history of california. Yes, 13 years ago. Gray davis was recalled. Republican Arnold Schwarzenegger won. California is even more democratic now than it was then. When Governor Newsom won in 2018, 62 of the vote. Look at all that blue. Remember where the red is. Joe biden in the president ial election last year won by even more. 63 plus of the vote. Again, look at all that blue. This is the republican part of california. Lets come back to that Governors Race because the people who want to recall Gavin Newsom the most now are the same people who did not vote for him in the first place. Lets look at how the Recall Campaign came acbout. You have to sign signatures, petitions to get it on the ballot. The deeper the purple, the higher the percentage of where those signature came from in those counties. As you see here, those are the people trying to push him out but that wont be enough. Republicans need an overwhelming turnout. And here, overwhelming Electionday Turnout but they need more than that, lets be honest. If the republicans are going to be have a prayer here, The Big Surprise . Can they retake Orange County . In ronald reagans days, this was the bedrock of the california republican party. A lot has changed since then but watch tomorrow night. It was close for Gavin Newsom in 2018. This would have to be a yes tomorrow night. Wed also look down here in san diego county. Again, is there a republican resurgence in this part of the state . Not so much anymore. But we will watch this as it plays out as well. But again, this is an overwhelmingly democratic state. The governor was the mayor of san francisco. Watch the bay area. San francisco. Oakland. The counties around there. If turnout is up, is decent, he is likely safe. Watch Los Angeles County down here. The largest, most populous area of california is the latino vote turning out for democrats . Or at least not voting yes. Thats what we will see down here so in the final night of the campaign, republicans look at this history. And they think, john, when we are filling in the map tomorrow night, on question one, the answer will be blue. No. But we will count em. We will count them. We will be there all night long counting ballots. Thank you so much, john, for that. Perspective now on the race from democratic Senator Amy Klobuchar from minnesota who again recently went to california to campaign for governor Gavin Newsom. And, senator, thanks for being with us. Why . Why was it so important for you to go to california . Why is it important to you as a national democrat . And why is it important to you in the senate . Look at whats happening here, john. This is a governor that basically has gotten one of the highest Vaccination Rates in the country. Minnesotas done pretty well, too, with our governor. The fires are still raging across california. Hes been willing to take on Climate Change. And one of his leading opponents actually called Climate Change a crock. And then, you have what happened in texas and i think that matters. Where you had a republican governor and i dont think california, even moderate republicans, independents, of course, democrats, dont want to see this. A bill passed, signed into law by a Trump Republican that basically makes the citizens of that state into bounty hunters. To basically get paid 10,000 if they turn in a woman for simply exercising her constitutional rights to Access Abortion services. All of those things matter right now in california. And i actually was in Orange County. Thats where i campaigned to vote no on the recall and campaigned with the governor because i was listening to john and, you know, we have a lot of democratic victories in that county. So Larry Elder who is the leading republican right now and the former president , Donald Trump, have both already they havent done voting, yet. Right . But they are both already saying that they think if they lose, that the republicans lose on the recall here, then the election may have been rigged. How much of a problem is it that now you do have one side no, you have one side that basically is going to say any election they lose was somehow stolen . Well, by the way, that is the argument for for the people and having some federal standards in place for elections. Because this is just ridiculous. They are making this up. Sadly. And we hope it goes better this time. A lot of this was spread across social media. And thats why we want to pass our federal election bill. Its going to be so important. You cant have after every election, Donald Trump and his cronies just claiming, oh, its a lie. I actually won. We are feeling so good about tomorrow because the people of california, as you noted, are turning out. They have until 8 00 p. M. Tomorrow to vote. They can vote in person. They can drop off their ballots in a dropoff box. They can mail them in. And i just believe the night before an election is where you talk about the truth. And the truth is this recall is bad for california. Its set up by Donald Trump and his cronies. Um and i believe thats why were going to win and theyre going to vote and theyre going to vote strong. How much is the Pandemic Response on the ballot . There are republicans who said say that Gavin Newsoms um the way he reacted was too onerous. Too many reg lulations, too man rules. Is that something you are looking for . Look what happened last year before Joe Biden came in where this pandemic was running Out Of Control and there wasnt really a good plan to distribute the vaccines. What has happened since Joe Biden and Kamala Harris came into office, they put in a competent team. We know this is hard. Theres been variants of this virus. Were in the middle of one right now. But they got that vaccine distributed. They got the facts out. They didnt hide from the facts, and that exactly what Governor Newsom has done in the state of california. Getting the vaccine out for people. Encouraging them to take it. Give them the facts. Get it out to the rural areas in every corner of california, every corner of minnesota, and it has made a difference. Thats why so many people are doing better now. Starting to go back to work. We know we still arent completely done with this but there is a, as we say in duluth, minnesota, a lighthouse on the horizon. Were going to get through this, together. I just want to close. You recently disclosed that you were diagnosed and treated for Stage 1a Breast cancer. You called It Cancer the word that All Of Us fear. How are you feeling now . And what message do you have for others who may be hearing that word, too . Well, im feeling good, john. For me, it got caught early. They did a lumpectomy. I got the radiation. Um and now, i want people to know that, you know, i waited a year of when i shouldve had the Mammogram Cause of the pandemic. And a lot of people are waiting. They think thousands of women have undetected Breast Cancer right now. And one in three americans have put off just regular exams. And so, one of the most rewarding things about the last few days for me is so many people have told me that theyve scheduled their appointment and they know theyre going to be safe. And they got to go in there um and do what they should have done maybe a year ago or two years ago. It saved my life, and it can save many others. Well, look, we are thrilled that you are doing well. So glad that its happened and glad it may be doing good for others, as well. Senator klobuchar, thank you for being with us. Thanks, john. Still ahead. Just days after texas passed the most restrictive Aborgtion Law N the country, its governor promised to Quote Eliminate Rape from his state. Randi kaye shows us why this is much easier said than done. Her investigation, next. Paying. Then i discovered sofi. Completely changed my life. Lower interest rate. My principal is going down. Sofi is a place where you can start to tackle those money goals today. Compared to where i was three years ago, im kinda killing it. Your Shipping Manager left to find themself. leaving you lost. You need to hire. I need indeed. Indeed you do. Indeed instant match instantly delivers quality candidates matching your job description. Visit indeed. Com Hire Renae is not an influencer, shes more of a groundbreaker. 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Rape is a crime, and texas will work tirelessly to make sure that we eliminate all rapists from the streets of texas by aggressively going out and arresting them and prosecuting them and getting them off the streets. So, Goal Number one in the state of texas is to eliminate rape so that no woman, no person will be a victim of rape. He will have his work cut out for him. There have been as many as 18,000 rapes in a single year in texas. And right now, there is a backlog of at least 5,000 Rape Kits in the state, meaning many rapists have not been caught. Cnns Randi Kaye has been investigating the backlog for several years. Shes in dallas, tonight, with the latest. That will be a beautiful thing to see. But its not going to happen. Its not realistic. Reporter she isnt buying it. She has little hope Texas Governor Greg abbott can deliver on his recent promise to eliminate all rapists from the streets of texas. How can the governor of texas eliminate all rapists from the state when the Governor Hasnt even been able to eliminate the backlog of Rape Kits . Exactly. Thats the milliondollar question. When you say things like that, its like its outlandish to say things in that manner. House bill 8 is now law. Reporter when texas governor, greg abbott, signed into Law The Masters Act in 2019, lavinia, a survivor of rape, was there. The act was designed to audit untested Rape Kits across the state, and set strict testing requirements. The Texas Department of public safety tells cnn, as of august, there are still 5,298 untested Rape Kits. But weve learned that number doesnt include the untested Rape Kits from 231 Law Enforcement agencies who did not report their numbers to the state. So, the number could be much higher which means thousands of rapists could be on the run, possibly raping others. How frustrated are you that thousands of Rape Kits are still sitting unprocessed on the shelf . Um, im im very frustrated. Reporter she is a member of governor abbotts Sexual Assault Survivors Task Force was raped at knifepoint back in 1985. She was just 13. Her own Rape Kit with her Attackers Dna sat untested on a shelf for more than 20 years. By the time her attacker was identified, the statute of limitations had Run Out. And the man was already in prison. He had been caught after raping two other women while Lavinias Kit sat on the shelf. We still have a lot of work to do. Its not an easy task. Its a heavy lift. Reporter Texas State Representative victoria has been working alongside her for years to clear the Rape Kit backlog. At one point, she says there were about 19,000 untested kits. Its boxing, not just a box, sitting on a shelf. It represents a survivors story, it represents an individual a family who has been impacted by this. It represents women who are waiting for justice. And so, we know that theres still more work to do. Reporter neave says the state has approved 50 Million to help test these kits but with thousands of Rape Kits still on the shelf, that leaves a lot of women wondering who raped them . And a lot of rapists on the street. Thats a big reason why many women do not report that they have been raped because they dont think that their case is going to be prosecuted. Reporter beyond the backlog, the new Texas Law banning abortions after six weeks even in the case of Rape And Incest infuriated lavinia. Thats asinine. That makes absolutely no sense at all. It makes no sense at all. Reporter because you may not even know you are pregnant at six weeks. Exactly. Exactly. We have already felt we lost control. We lost our power. And now, you are continuing to strip us by saying by six weeks, if you dont get rid of that baby, you have to keep it. No, sir. Thats thats ludicrous. Reporter she knows if she had gotten pregnant and that law had been in place, she would have had to carry and deliver her Rapists Child at 13. I didnt know who he was. And that child wants to know their father. They dont know their background. They dont know their history. I dont know about the illnesses or anything. But i would be forced to carry that baby. Thats not thats not thats not even common sense. Randi kaye joins us now. Randi, this is so important and so timely. Why are all these Rape Kits still on the shelf untested . Reporter a couple reasons, john. One of those reasons is manpower. The State Representative told me they just dont have enough forensic analysts here in the state of texas. Also, if you look at the Law Enforcement agencies, the police and the sheriffs department, i am told that they are just not processing those kits as quickly as they are supposed to be. So now, they have actually updated the act so now if those agencies, those Law Enforcement agencies dont comply with Processing And Reporting in a timely manner, as laid out in that act, they can lose some grant funding. John. Randi kaye, terrific work. Thanks so much for doing this tonight. Up next. Why investigators have a lot of questions about Money And Murder and the patriarch of a prominent South Carolina family. Growing up in a little red house, on the edge of a forest in norway, there were three things my family encouraged kindness, honesty and hard work. Over time, ive come to add a fourth be curious. Be curious about the world around us, and then go. Go with an open heart, and you will find inspiration anew. Viking. Exploring the world in comfort. Introducing xfinity rewards. Our very own way of thanking you just for being with us. Enjoy rewards like Movie Night specials. Xfinity mobile benefits. 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It begins in the small town of hampton, just over 100 years ago when residents like randolph murdaugh, as the 14th circuit solicitor, most states call them district attorneys. For more than 85 years, three generations of murdaughs with the supreme law of more than 230 square miles of country. Its pretty well recognized in law that in criminal justice, there is no figure more powerful than the prosecutor. Reporter keeping residents of the legal straight and narrow across five counties kept the Murdaugh Family well connected to Law Enforcement. And probably know Each Other pretty well socially, too . Thats very often the case here, yes. Reporter the Familys Grip on the Solicitors Office ended in 2005 when Randal Murdaugh iii retired. Known for winning big settlements for their clients. For Alex Murdaugh known as Big Red to his friends, working as an attorney at the Family Firm offered plenty of reward. Each evening, hed Head Home to his more than 1,700acre estate and his beautiful family. He seemed to have Anything Anyone could ever want until one terrible night this past june. [ bleep ] i have been up to it now. Its bad. Reporter murdaugh says he returned home to find his Wife And Son shot to death on their vast property. And are they breathing . No, maam. Okay. And you said its your wife and your son . My wife and my son. Reporter 52yearold Maggie Murdaugh was shot multiple times sources say with a semiautomatic rifle. While 22yearold Paul Murdaugh had been shot at least twice with a shotgun. The gruesome scene suggested two shooters. Leaving many wondering if the familys long legal history had played a role. South stouton is a former Police Officer turned attorney and professor. Two weapons. Two people possibly would suggest maybe this had been planned carefully. It certainly not something that i would expect an investigator to rule out based on the evidence that i am aware of thats been publicly available. Reporter Alex Murdaugh and his surviving son put up their own money for 100,000 reward for information. But at the bottom of the notice was an odd catch. The tip must be submitted to Law Enforcement on or before september 30th. You ever heard of an Expiration Date on a reward . I have not. South Carolina Son and mother who were gunned down. Reporter it wasnt the only strange thing. In an interview on abcs good morning america, Murdaugh Family members said their Nephew Paul had been getting threatening messages online before he was killed. I didnt think it was a credible threat. There was, i would have tried to do something or notified someone. But i guess maybe i made a mistake. Reporter the family says the threats started after a fatal boating accident. What bridge is this . 911. Where is your emergency . We were in a boat crash. Reporter february 2019, beaufort, South Carolina. Paul murdaugh and five friends all underage out for a night of partying. Images from investigation files obtained by cnn show Paul Murdaugh buying beer and then buying more drinks at a bar. Everyone gets into a boat. Witnesses told Investigators Paul was driving. Investigators say the 17foot Boat struck a bridge at high speed. 19yearold Valerie Beach was thrown into the water. Please, send someone. They are coming, okay . There is six of us and one is missing. Reporter it would take a week to find beachs body. Paul murdaugh was charged with boating under the influence resulting in death. Facing up to 25 years in prison. He pleaded not guilty. Despite the serious charges, still pending at the time of his killing, the night of the crash, a Dashcam Recording obtained by the Post And Courier captured The Boys on the boat suggesting Paul Wasnt likely to face serious consequences. Thats his son. Reporter it wouldnt be the first time someone suggested the murdaugh name could influence the outcome of an investigation. In the aftermath of the motherandson murders, the South Carolina Law Enforcement division made a stunning announcement. During their investigation, they said they found something. They wouldnt say what. But as a result, they were going to reopen an investigation into another unsolved death from 2015. Hello. I see somebody laying out. We will get an officer headed out that way to see what is going on. Aint moving or nothing like that. But Somebody Reporter 19yearold Steven Smith was found dead in the Middle Of The Road in the middle of the night just outside hampton. There were no witnesses. But among classmates and friends, there was a lot of Talk Police files show. And one Family Name kept surfacing. A name many were reluctant to talk about to police. Leaving investigators obviously frustrated as Interview Recordings suggest. A lot of people seem a little nervous to say the name murdaugh. Yeah. And and, you know, and i understand that theyre pretty big down there in hampton. But um im out of charleston and that name doesnt mean anything to me. So i want you to feel like, you know, like you dont have anything to worry about. Reporter No Ones been arrested and no publiclyreleased evidence Links Anyone in the Murdaugh Family to smiths death. Then, another shock. On September 3rd of this year, the powerful family Law Firm announces they discovered Alex Murdaugh had allegedly stolen significant funds from the company. Sources tell cnn, it was millions of dollars. Murdaugh had his own stunning admission. Saying the murders of my Wife And Son have caused an incredibly difficult time in my life. I have made a lot of decisions that i truly regret. I am resigning from my Law Firm, and entering rehab after a long battle that has been exacerbated by these murders. His lawyer confirming an Opioid Addiction but the biggest shock was still to come. He was shot in the head while changing a tire. Reporter the very next day, Alex Murdaugh says as he stopped on the side of the road looking at a leaky tire, murdaugh says a man in a Pickup Truck drove past. Then, turned around in a Church Parking Lot and returned. After a brief conversation, murdaugh told investigators the man shot him in the head. He was out of the hospital two days later. So many wondered if the shooting had been staged. Murdaughs Spokesperson Put out a statement denying it was selfinflicted. But the church where the truck turned around might just be the answer to investigators prayers. The church has a number of security cameras. A few which look in the general direction of where the shooting occurred down that way. And another that looks directly into the Parking Lot where murdaugh says the Pickup Truck turned around. If there is video, it could provide clues about a suspect. And Alex Murdaugh. What do you make of the shooting of Alex Murdaugh . I think its going to tremendously complicate the investigators job, both for that shooting and, also, for the shooting of his Wife And Son. It introduces a set of possibilities and facts that investigators are going to have to spend a tremendous amount of time and Effort Winnowing through to figure out if they are connected, whether they are not connected. Reporter with so many new questions and so few answers from investigators, many who thought they knew the friendly, wealthy, successful lawyer, Big Red, now wonder if they ever really knew him at all. We reached out to every entity and every one who is connected to this case we are talking family, friends, Law Enforcement, lawyers, we even tried to reach political acquaintances No One would sit down for an oncamera interview. It just goes to show you how people here have been so shocked by recent events. In fact, some people told us had we showed up ten days earlier, before the allegations of embezzlement, before the admission of a drug addiction, before the shooting at the side of the road, they would have talked to us. But now, No One wants to talk because No One knows what to think. But just about everyone believes there is a lot more to know. John. Im exhausted by all the twists and turns. One after another after another. Martin savidge, what a story. Thank you so much for that. Still ahead. More on our breaking news. As the Nations Capital prepares for potential violence this weekend at a rally protesting the arrests of rioters who took part in the january6th insurrection, well take a look at the fury behind the countrys deep divide. Author Evan Osnos joins us, next. When heartburn hits, fight back fast with Tums Chewy Bites. Fast Heartburn Relief in every bite. Crunchy outside, chewy inside. Tums, tums, tums, tums Tums Chewy Bites things you start when youre 45. Coaching. 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Theyll be protesting the arrest of the January 6th rioters who couldnt accept the results of the 2020 election. So how did we get here . Evan osnos decided to find out. He writes about it in his new Book Wildland the making of americas fury, and joins us now. This is a terrific book and its really framed between September 11th and January 6th. A period in which you say the united states lost its sense of unity. Its ability to come together. So what happened . How did it get to that point . The way i think of it, john, we sort of lost the ability to think of ourselves as larger than the sum of its parts in a way. You have to go back to remember that period after 9 11. We were obviously for good reason, we were afraid. There were people at the time who took advantage of it, lets be blunt. Political opportunists. People in power, leaders of government who said this is my chance to make a name for myself. You began to see people talk about the threat from islam in ways that were out of accord with reality, and to the point that people began to get a distorted sense of what life was like in america. Theres a telling statistic, a survey done not too long ago in which americans were asked to estimate what share of the population they thought were muslim. Americans estimated 1 in 6. The real number is 1 in 100. Americans had been in a sense systematically misled, and it had begun to draw these lines which we saw play out on January 6th. We had Adam Kinzinger on earlier, and he said theres such a sense of tribalism now that we wont get out of it unless politicians are willing to stand up and do things that may not be popular in their own selfinterest. What would that take . I thought it was such an important point that he made. One of The Things we heard from former president george w. Bush over the weekend, one of The Things he called out was a disdain for pluralism. What i thought when i heard that, that didnt happen overnight. Donald trump is the center of this phenomenon, but you have to connect the dots that go back a few years. As i write in the book, the first day i came back to work in the united states was the day in October Of 2013 when the government shut down. And it shut down in effect because of a kind of political pageant on the part of some leaders like Senator Ted Cruz who decided he was going to advance his personal interests at the cost of the united states. The government was shut down for 16 days. It cost 24 billion. John, i looked up what that could have done for us. You could have sent a rover to the moon and back eight times over. You know, the cost to us as a country because of the vanities and the selfpromotion of some of our political leaders has begun to exact a toll that we cant deny anymore. We have about 30 seconds left, evan. You were at the capitol on January 6th writing for the new yorker. You said it was like an inferno powered by the cynicism, unreason, and deception in u. S. Politics. So what does it say that we have a rally in support of the insurrectionists happening this saturday . It tells you im afraid that that apparatus of delusion that so many people who were there on that day participating in, it still exists. In fact, i think its deepened in some quarters. The encouraging news and i think you see that in some of the data that cnn has is there are some people who are beginning to say Donald Trump is not the future of this party, but thats not yet the majority in his party. And its going to take a while. And its going to take leadership, and its not frankly something that we see very much from the top of the republican party today. Well continue this discuss. The book is wildland, on sale tomorrow. Evan, thank you very much. Up next, an update on the Afghan Military Pilots who were stranded after the u. S. Pullout of afghanistan. Ready to turn your dreams into plans and your actions into achievements . Explore over 75 programs and fourweek classes at national university. Your future starts today at nu. Edu. Mom mom every day can be extraordinary with rich, creamy, Delicious Fage total yogurt. Earlier, we spoke with Congressman Adam Kinzinger about the testimony on Capitol Hill Today on afghanistan. Theres been a lot of questions about the u. S. Pullout from the country. Recently, we told you about some Afghan Military Pilots who were stranded. Tonight, we have an update and there is some good news. Heres alex marquardt. Reporter theyre among the most highly trained afghan forces. Pilots and crew members of the afghan Air Force. For the past month, they have been stranded after fleeing the taliban advance with their valuable planes and helicopters across the border into Neighboring Uzbekistan and tajikistan. They feared they would be sent back where the taliban is hunting for them. There were so many rumors that they were going to send us back to afghanistan. Thats why everyone was afraid, and everyone was worried about that. Reporter we have spoken with afghan pilots themselves and american veterans working to get them to the united states. Including retired general david hicks, who led the training of afghan pilots in the u. S. And has criticized the State Department for moving too slowly. The problem was there started to become members who wanted to go back to afghanistan because they were worried about their wives or their families and so, you know, they were headed back or were going to go back for that reason. Reporter we brought you their story last week. Then over the weekend, Word Game they were finally on the move after four weeks. More than 460 pilots, maintainers, and Family Members loaded onto buses and charter planes, flying Uzbekistan Airways to Abu Dhabi for further processing. One step closer to making it to the u. S. Where many want to end up, but fears remain. How worried are you that the remaining afghan Air Force personnel, Family Members are targets of the taliban now and wont be able to get out of the country . We know Air Force members or Family Members have been either detained or killed by the taliban, so its not like its something that may happen. It is something that is happening right now. So time is of the essence. Reporter those concerns weighing on the pilots

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