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63 of eligible americans are now vaccinated in the sevenday average of new coronavirus cases appears to be declining nationwide, although certain states are still experiencing surges. Hospitalizations also appear to be Leveling Off, even as the average number of daily deaths continues to climb. Lets talk about the Brand New Poll Numbers showing a Majority Support for vaccine requirements. Cnn senior Data Reporter Harry enton is here. This is part of the Brand New Cnn Poll mostly taken in august before President Biden announced a series of new requirements, but harry, we see a serious growth here in support for vaccine requirements. Oh, and up, up, up, climbing higher and higher as Jackie Wilson once said. Support for vaccination mandates, 55 , Work And Person 54 . Only shopping at Grocery Store 41 has less than Majority Support. The key here is the trend line, 49, 55, 47, 55, 46 to 54. Shopping in Grocery Store up 15 points. Aside from the last one a majority of and growing. Correct. All right. If you ask it another way, though, broadly speaking, the issue of requirements, what do people say . Yeah. Getting back to what Asa Hutchinson was saying, speaking about a partisan divide, this is might be heading some republican leaders push against Vaccine Mandates. We asked it this way, Vaccine Mandates outside the home are acceptable to increase vaccinations. Look at that, 51 . Well within the margin of error. Unacceptable infringement of rights 49 and look at the partisan divide. This kind of looks like a president ial approval rating, if youre democrat or lean democrat, 75 support that these Vaccine Mandates are acceptable to increase vaccinations but look at this 76 among republicans or independents who lean republican unacceptable infringement on rights. I wonder how many of these people are against the Vaccine Mandates for schools that exist in every single state right now . Yeah. They say theyre opposed to it but they all live somewhere where there absolutely are vaccine requirements. Lets talk about partisan views on cdc guidance. Its not partisan views the cdc says, what are people doing . Do you adhere to cdc coronavirus guidance. 49 say always. Now, depending on which way you want to add this up, significant chunk, 38 say sometimes this hard core never is just 13 , but you could argue this is a majority, 51 who say sometimes or never. But most people, most americans are at least sometimes following the guidance. Theyre not always, but at least sometimes following the guidance. In terms of a change, we see increase in support for mandates but we also see an increase i would say trepidation, right . Yes, yes. I would say that thats exactly right. So, look here. Views on the coronavirus pandemic, is the pandemic over . No. 86 say its not. Has the economic recovery not started . Look at that, 64 . Still taking precautions everyday, again, look at that 64 . So theres still a lot of people out there scared who dont believe that this pandemic is over quite yet. I mean, its not over, right . No, no. 86 is actually low given the reality that were seeing everyday. Maybe it should be 100, but still you find 86 americans agree on everything. Where are Vaccination Numbers . College grads 88 , lean Democrat 86 , white 73 , people of color, 72 , noncollege grad 764 . The fact is, a majority of adults in pretty much every single Demographic Group has at least gotten one dose of a vaccine so far. That makes this a pretty successful campaign even if we could be doing better. Very smart one man told me these vaccines are as popular as christmas trees. I think i know that guy. Buffalo bills guy, 62 maybe around 25 to 34 years old. Looks like harry enten. Thank you. So smart, kind of nerdy, i know that guy. I know that guy. We like the nerdishness, though, harry. Thank you. This weekend americans across the country they came together. You saw them come together marking the 20th Anniversary of the September 11th attacks. President bush alluded to the January 6th insurrection and warned of the dangers of domestic terrorism. Theres little cultural overlap between violent extremist i abroad and violent extremists at home, but then theres disdain in their disregard for human life, in their determination to defile national symbols. They are children of the same foul spirit and it is our continuing duty to confront them. A Call To Action there. And joining us now to discuss this cnn senior political analyst John Avlon and New York Times Washington Post correspondent maggie haberman. I wonder what you thought, john, of the speech . It was a great speech. It was a strong speech. It was a speech that i think the country and republicans needed to hear on the 20th Anniversary of the attacks. The fact that the former president who presided over the beginning of 9 11 and War On Terrorism drew a direct line between the spirit that foreign terrorists and domestic terrorists resemble. The fact that he drew a line from shanksville, the plane was directed to the capitol the January 6th attacks on the capitol is something thats important that republicans need be forced to confront going forward. I have to say the mere choice to do it, george w. Bush knows that this is the biggest platform he gets every year. He went in there with this really wellwritten speech, carefully, precisely written, maggie, children of the same foul spirit. Those are some words for the former president to deliver. John, youre right. And its also striking, as you say, its not that he chose to do this but the biggest platform he knew he would have all year, he has been relatively silent since Donald Trump has come on the scene. This is the most open he has been. He did not invoke the former president s name and specifically mention January 6th but its obvious what he is talking about. Whether it leaves a mark, whether it makes a difference, its not clear. But i do think there are a lot of people who have disliked what they have seen in our political spirit and our political Discourse And Behavior over the last six years who generally have not spoken and who i think realize that the time is now or probably never if theyre going to speak out. And you know, i thought one of the things that really stood out, john, was that, of course, you know this was a plane that many believe we believe it was bound for the capitol or for the white house. Many believe it was bound for the capitol. And it didnt make it. But that, of course, is the scene of the January 6th insurrection. So this kind of line between where he was specifically in shanksville with Flight 93 and the capitol, i mean, what did you think about that . I think thats exactly what made it so resonate is that it was in shanksville, that that was american citizens putting something bigger than themselves on a critical day and a moment of crisis as opposed to this selfcentered leadership we have seen and the target in both cases was the capitol. And i do think thats why its important to maggies point, a lot of republicans try to pretend that george w. Bush didnt give that speech that paragraph is too tough, too truthful, to painful for them to confront politically and thats why they need to be asked about it directly going forward. Because it was so powerful, it was so poignant because it was in that place. You know, so theres new Cnn Polling that shows that 63 of republicans think that Donald Trump should still lead the party. Which is interesting. Do we have the poll theres another part of this poll i think is more revealing which is that like half of republicans think that denial of the Election Results, right, how important is believing trump won 2020 to being a republican, very important 36 , 23 somewhat important. Thats unbelievable, maggie. Well, i guess its not unbelievable. 59 , maggie, say that basically denying the Election Results is the ticket to admission in todays republican party. Look, Donald Trump is the party. And as you know, john, when you have a former president or a nominee for the major party, they are the partys leader. He will be the partys leader. So trying to separate him out from that as to whether he should run again or anything like that is very difficult. So its not surprising that people are believing what he is say mchg it is surprising the fact that he has continued talking about it. He has continued raising it in every interview and some advisers are telling him not to do that and a number of republicans, as you say, have gone along with it. If he continues down this path, hes going to bring a lot of republicans with that. Do we have that audio . The former president did an interview over the weekend where He Stokes these flames. Lets play that if we have it. We won the election by a lot, and they rigged it. And its a terrible thing. I do believe theyre going to decertify this election. You know, maggie, brianna has a great phrase, our muscles sometimes get tired of the Outrage Muscle is exhausted, right . Yeah. But thats the former president who lost an election thinks its going to be decertified. That should not pass by lightly. Right. Look, john, the election is not going to get decertified, first of all. He doesnt explain who would be doing that. The interviewer very Fringe Network doesnt ask him that question, but there are going to be people who hear him say that who take it seriously, who hear his words and see it as a further rallying to the cause. We have seen a lot of that. Theres a segment of the population, his supporters, who believe this idea that he is going to be reinstated. We have been reporting on this for months. When i reported a couple months ago that he was telling people he expected he would get reinstated, republicans and some democrats, got very upset. This is what hes saying. People should be aware of it because it will have an impact with some people. Just im sorry. The fact hes repeating this aside from the fact that he never wants to go on another social Media Platform ever again, this is these are the words of a Crack Pot Con man. This is not the leader of anything except a party decided to follow this person over a cliff. He said the same thing at a Fire House on 9 11 in Midtown Manhattan withless language about decertification. So he is deeply committed to this and the fact that a party is following this blatant lie is frankically pathetic. Look, at a time we should say where online activity surrounding potential extremism in the wake of January 6th, we know it has been elevated. Yes. That is the backdrop of all of this. John avlon, maggie haberman, thank you to both of you. A Growing Number of hospitals forced to Ration Care as theyre running out of beds because of coronavirus. We have some new reporting next. Plus, the lessons the u. S. Is learning from israel as Health Officials weigh who will get Booster Shots and when. And a report thats just been declassified reveals new connections between the 9 11 hijackers and saudi diplomatic officials here in the United States. The stronger, lastslonger energizer max. What happens when we Welcome Change . 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About 78 of all Hospital Beds are in use in Intensive Care units. 80 of icu beds are in use. And in some places hospitals are at capacity and thats forcing them to make some tough decisions around rationing care. Cnn Health Reporter Jacqueline Howard is joining us with more on this story. I mean, this is so alarming. When hospitals are running out of beds, then what happens . How are they deciding who gets care . Yeah, brianna, all hospitals and Health Systems have some plan in place to deal with the surge in patients, but it is heart breaking to see our hospitals in these crisis situations. But i spoke with the american Hospital Association and the Groups Director of policy says, quote, plans can include actions like adding beds, including in nontraditional areas of care in a hospital like a cafeteria or a parking lot. And shifting patients between hospitals and working with their local and State Health departments to find other sites of care. So, those are some examples of plans in place. But brianna, theres also a federal law called the emergency medical Treatment And Labor act. This law requires hospitals with Emergency Departments to provide medical Screening And Emergency departments. And it says that Hospitals Cant refuse to examine or treat people with emergency medical conditions. So, there are plans in place and then there is also the federal law. But theres also another interesting part of this conversation, brianna, because we are in a pandemic, and people have the choice to prevent serious Illness Or Death by getting vaccinated, do vaccines come into play in these conversations all all . Our Colleague Anderson Cooper asked dr. Fauci about this. Here is what dr. Fauci says. Are you asking should you preference it for a vaccinated person versus unvaccinated person, Thats Something that is always widely discussed. But in medicine, i know that you dont prejudice against someone because of their behavior. You just dont do that in medicine. So thats the stance that many medical systems have and brianna, these are tough discussions happening right now at this moment. Yeah. Look, people are rolling the dice when it comes to getting vaccinated or not, and it might not be for their health care, it might be for someone else surviving. Thank you so much. So this week the fdas scientific advisers will consider pfizers data about Booster Shots. If approved the biden administration is hoping to roll out a Booster Program a week from today. Health officials are relying on studies out of israel which began a Booster Program last month. Cnn Elizabeth Cohen live in Tel Aviv with some of the results happening in israel. Elizabeth . Reporter john, its really interesting whats been happening here. Theyve been doing boosters here for more than six weeks. Already about a third of the country has gotten them. The israelis are scrupulous about Keeping Data and the Director General of the Ministry Of Health here tells me that two israeli scientists will be testifying about this data to an allimportant fda advisers meeting on friday. We can and we will turn the tide on covid19. Reporter President Biden anxious, like all of us, to get out of this pandemic. And to do that, he and his top Health Advisers are looking when you look at the israeli data, and they are about a month or so ahead of us in every aspect of this reporter to israel at the beginning of the year, the Vaccination Rollout started much more quickly in israel than in the u. S. Dr. Ron ballster is chair of israels covid19 national expert advisory panel. By The End of may, israel thought it was out of the woods. Reporter but even with a vigorous vaccination campaign, a dual threat arrived this summer. The Delta Variant posed a challenge to the vaccine and at the same time the israelis say protection from the vaccine has started to wane over time becoming less effective. Cases in israel now higher per capita than in the u. S. And that made israel move quickly. They started administering Booster Shots august 1st. In the u. S. , the fda and the cdc are still reviewing boosters. Up until the Booster Shots, israel waited for the fda and for the cdc to chime in. But you guys just did boosters without the fda and the cdc chiming in. I think there was a different level of urgency felt in the two countries. Decisions by the fda have been made and we could have followed them, but in the situation that we were at, it was obvious that action was needed urgently. Decisions need to be made. Reporter ballster and other israeli Health Officials are in constant contact with u. S. Health officials sharing their data on covid19 with the third dose. They are much better protected with the severe illness. This is one way to go through with the booster campaign. Reporter now while hospitalizations are skyrocketing in the u. S. , the number of severe cases in israel has plateaued recently and per capita deaths in israel are lower than in the u. S. Offering a glimpse of what could happen if the u. S. Takes certain steps. I was vaccinated in israel and received my Booster Shot last week. And its not just the boosters that are different, no Paper Vaccine cards here. Instead, electronic Vaccine Passports that have a qr code. Restaurants scan it and also ask for an id to make sure its really you before letting you in. Other rules also much stricter in israel than in many parts of the u. S. Masks have to be worn indoors and at large gatherings. University students have to be vaccinated or test negative every few days. Same for schoolteachers and staff. All of this needs to be put in place. And i think that booster are just one component of it. Its definitely not the one issue that would solve all the problems we live in covid19. You said were going to live with covid19. So you think covid19 is here to stay. I think covid19 is here to stay. Reporter a word of warning from the israelis as the United States grapples with covid19 numbers that at this point seem difficult to control. Now walking around israel, you can see there are plenty of times where people break the rules especially with masks. People dont always wear them when theyre supposed to, but still there are more rules. They are enforced much more than they are in the United States. John . Cultural differences, i think, and historical differences about how people view government and whatnot. Elizabeth cohen, very interesting to see some of these results over time. Thank you so much. The fbi has released newlydeclassified documents about the September 11th attacks. 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The fbi releasing a newlydeclassified document with more information about the September 11th terrorist attacks. Its the first of several expected to be released since president Joe Biden ordered a Declassification Review of the investigation earlier this month. The heavily redacted report from 2016 details the Fbis Probe into suspected saudi Government Support for the 9 11 hijackers. This includes whether a Saudi Counselor Official and suspected saudi Intelligence Agent provided logistical support to at least two of the men who hijacked planes on 9 11. According to the document, the fbi interviewed an employee of the Saudi Consulate in Los Angeles in 2015. The person, whose name was redacted, said he was in contact with saudi nationals, suspected of providing support to the first two 9 11 hijackers to arrive in the United States. The saudi government has denied any Government Involvement in the attacks. The fbi released the 16page Document on the 20th Anniversary of the September 11th attacks. Just hours after biden attended Memorial Services in new york city, pennsylvania and at the pentagon. These memorials are really important, but theyre also incredibly difficult for the people who were affected. On september 3rd, the president signed an Executive Order directing the Justice Department and other federal agencies to release declassified documents over the next six months. This move fulfilling one of Bidens Campaign promises and it comes after Pressure And Scrutiny from some families of 9 11 victims. Some even telling the president he would not be welcome at any memorial events unless the documents were declassified. Before the release, former Defense Secretary Leon panetta said he was pleased with Bidens Decision to order the Declassification Review but hes doubtful it will provide the closure that many families are looking for. I think that the families of the victims are entitled to know the whole truth of what was involved and who was involved when it came to 9 11. I suspect that theyre not going to get the kind of satisfactory answers about the role of Saudi Arabia with regards to this attack. Joining us now susan glasser, Staff Writer for the new Yorker And Cnn global affairs analyst. Susan, whats your big take away from this Document Release . I think it provides continued suspicion around the question of what kind of assistance and particular two of the 19 hijackers may have had when they came to the United States. It begins to fill in the picture but here we are 20 years later and its just not definitive. I think thats the most important thing. This is the first document. There will be further ones to be released so there may be additional new information but i was struck by the fact that the fbi was skeptical of some of the information that they had but they couldnt put it together in any kind of definitive way. Its a change from the 9 11 commission and what the 9 11 commission found, right . Some is based on interviews that were done really just a few years ago, 2015, and it does sort of move the needle closer to what some of these families have suspected. Well, i was struck by that, that they definitely there was a live investigation into recently, essentially again it revolves around two of the 19 hijackers and a series of coincidences in terms of saudi nationals they met with in the United States who offered them assistance that the fbi said it was hard to reconcile with just being pure coincidence. Do you meet someone in a 7 11 . I think that was one of the examples. Then theyre providing you help and assistance. So, again, its nothing definitive. But its important to have, i think, a level of transparency as Secretary Panetta was pointing out. And that, if nothing else, it offers a sense that this is the information that the government has, even if it doesnt provide this Ahha Moment of clarity for the family. I know well speak to some Family Members later on. Overnight, something significant happened which is North Korea announced it has successfully fired what it is calling long Range Cruise missiles. Now, all of those words matter here in the lexicon of what North Korea says it does and doesnt do and its development of the Missile System here. Of course this is significant. Why, the first time i believe in six months they have done something like this after a sort of pause at the beginning of the biden administration. Biden and his team obviously have a lot of Foreign Policy crises going on. I dont think they wanted to reelevate North Korea without a dramatic new approach to what to do about it. Unlike Donald Trump, i think they dont want to embark on a ve series of High Stakes negotiations without a clear path forward. What we heard from the Biden Team so far was an early emphasis on restoring the alliances that were really tested by the Trump Approach of unilateral me me me diplomacy. And so youve seen dealing with the japanese and those in the region. But i think were coming to the point where the Biden Team is going to have to sort of say what they really are going to do this time. Susan glasser, great to see you this morning. Thank you so much. Thank you. If you want to stick around, we have more big news coming up. An announcement from Britney Spears just days after her father filed a petition to end her conservatorship. Im blinded. Blinded by that rock. Plus, a scuffle on the vmas Red Carpet between Conor Mcgregor and one of the biggest names in music. 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This morning, Hurricane Watches are in effect for parts of texas, Tropical Storm Nicholas is threatening the Gulf Coast with another round of heavy rains and potential flooding, so lets bring in Chad Myers to tell us what were looking at here. What do you see . Brianna, you know, it is not forecast to become a hurricane but it will be very, very close. 70 miles per Hour Storm coming on shore late tonight, maybe tomorrow morning. But you know how fast these things can spin up in the gulf of mexico. The water is so very warm, thats where the watches are right now, even tropical Storm Warnings are in effect. This weather brought to you by car carvana, the new way to buy a car. Here it is. Hurricane hunters found the storm getting stronger. 60 miles per Hour Storm and going into up east texas and louisiana. Places that dont need any more rainfall. 3 to 5 foot storm surge. At least 5 to 10 inches of rainfall. You can see the center from the brownsville radar. It is very close. Some spots will get 5 to 10, maybe even a little more. Some Computer Models are way more. Lets hope that doesnt happen and also a chance of severe weather. Brianna . Give new york a break. Give the Gulf Coast a break. I know, right . We know youll be watching, chad. Thank you so much. Sure. Developing overnight, Britney Spears announced shes getting engaged to longtime boyfriend coming days after spears fight to end her court ordered conservatorship when her father filed a petition to end the arrangement. Chloe melas joins us with the latest there. That was some rock. Hey, john. Listen, there are Wedding Bells in the future for Britney Spears, but what makes this incredibly significant is that at her testimony, at the Los Angeles superior court on june 23rd, britney actually said, quote, i was told that i could not get married or have a baby. So now her longtime boyfriend, Sam Ashgari proposing to britney after being together for five years. This is incredibly significant, especially, john, since shes been in this battle with her father Jamie Spears for the last year in this conservatorship battle. Theres another hearing on september 29th. Her father, you know, filing a petition to terminate this conservatorship for the first time in 13 years. You know, we havent heard him or anybody else weigh in on the nuptials that are pending. But you know, Britney Spears, so many people want her to be happy. And its clear that she has control over her social media, posting pictures and videos and you know, i think that this could be the beginning of an exciting, very wonderful peaceful new chapter for britney. At least thats what fans in the free Britney Movement are hoping for. Yeah. Look, congratulations to them. Right . Was a beautiful little video they put up. Okay. I also want while i have you here, chloe to ask you about a scuffle on the Red Carpet that happened last night at the vma as between Conor Mcgregor the Mma Fighter and Musician Machine Gun kelly. Tell us what happened here. The mta Vmas Hadnt started yet and there was a slew of celebrities walking the Red Carpet. You see Conor Mcgregor and his Magenta Suit standing there and there are words exchanged. And then you see the two stars lunge at Each Other and Conor Mcgregor had to be restrained. Conor mcgregor gave an interview to Entertainment Tonight moments after saying i dont know what happened. I dont fight rappers, but there are reports circulating this morning that Conor Mcgregor supposedly asked to take a photo with Machine Gun kelly on the Red Carpet. Now we know that these two actually i dont know if theyre friends, but we know that Machine Gun kelly actually went to Conor Mcgregors fight several months ago. So you know, it looks like Conor Mcgregor doesnt want to talk about it anymore. We havent heard anything from Machine Gun kelly. Machine gun kelly and Megan Fox left the Red Carpet and didnt want to take photos anymore unless Conor Mcgregor left, he did leave the Red Carpet, they came back and took pictures and the show went on. The everything seemed to be okay. As for what exactly was said, we just dont know yet. But a lot of celebrities this morning, brianna, are weighing in on social media. Well have i was checking out mmafighting. Com, as i do morning to morning, right, naturally. But i was just reminded that Conor Mcgregor has been in a bad mood lately. He had some losses here in recent months and he doesnt do well when he feels spurned. We have more facts to get on this but well see where it goes. Chloe, thank you so much. Thank you. By The Way, excellent reporting, brianna, on your part. Just relying that mmafighting. Com information. 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He writes this stories can be more powerful than data. To persuade people to get them to think you must first get them to feel. Lets tone down the rhetoric and create opportunities whose Purpose Isnt to convince people with contrary opinions that theyre behaving irresponsibly but to invite them into our lives and appreciate why each of us might feel morally injured. The author is with us now, a professor of Emergency Medicine as well at the Albert Medical School at brown university. Sir, thank you so much for being with us. You say, look, this persuasion through all these facts and statistics it really hasnt worked with the vaccine hesitant and you also say that scolding isnt The Way. So explain The Way as you see it. Well, brianna, thank you for having me. Im honored to be here. You know, my experience is commonly shared by many of my colleagues on the front lines which is when we have people who are in the e. R. Who are very sick from covid, and theyre oftentimes asking for vaccines when its a little too late. And whats really curious is you take that particular instance and you say, you know, see, thats an argument why people should get vaccinated. But another way of looking at that experience is saying, wow. These are people who actually will get vaccinated. The question is what is that if . I would get vaccinated if. What is that if . And i feel like right now the discourse is so laden with facts and data and justifiably so, we need facts and data, but unfortunately for many people who arent getting vaccinated, theyre showing their own Vaccine Data that they believe in. So, how do we then connect with Each Other. Thats whats sort of propelled me to write this piece. Okay. So then take us into what that conversation would look like if you are talking to someone who is vaccine hesitant and youre giving them just the facts. Youre giving them the science. And they come back with their own facts, which are not true. And there you are, back where you began. So you said you got to get them to feel. You need to communicate moral injury to them. So what would you say . Well, part of the challenge, brianna, i feel, is that were giving them facts. Were focussing on what we need to say rather than perhaps focussing on what we need to hear. And what i have discovered, at least in the conversations that im having with my patients, is that the things that concern them are often incredibly personal. They have to do with distrust, they have to do with they dont believe the data, theyre worried about their own understanding about vaccines. Theyre destabilized by the entire experience of covid and so i think what we need to do is try to recognize those barriers to understanding rather than hit them with data and actually try to understand what this experience means to their lives because many people, what i have learned especially from readers who emailed me in response to my piece who are not vaccinated, they tell me very different stories and theyre not one story. We Cant Lump up the unvaccinated or vaccine hesitant into one category that really diminishing their experience and how theyre working through this problem. I will just say, and you know that there are because i heard from so many of them, vaccinated people out there listening to our conversation and theyre probably rolling their eyes because theyre out of patience with people. Right. Who arent getting vaccinated. You know, what do you say to them as it sounds like youre saying you need to kind of empathize is the first step with the unvaccinated . Well, yeah. I just want to make one thing clear, i think everyone should be vaccinated. We should get vaccinated. However, my argument and what propelled me to write the piece is the fact that just screaming and yelling just get vaccinated is not, i think, the actual proper way to get people to get vaccinated. And we have to explore why people are not getting vaccinated because i think the problems that were dealing with now, brianna, not only have to deal with vaccinations, i think it has to deal with larger problems in the Healthcare System including lack of trust and the Healthcare System, the fact that a lot of my patients dont have physicians, so they dont have anybody to trust and talk to about these things. Theres multiple of problems and challenges that we have to face and i think the vaccination conflict, debate, crisis is really one final, final result of something that is much deeper. Yeah. No, i think youre definitely right about that. Its revealed a lot. 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