Phone and relax just a little. Fitz, you are a legend in this business, and were going to miss you, not as a colleague, but as a friend. Thank you. The news continues. Lets head to chris for cuomo prime time. He was a good man. I was lucky enough to work with him at abc. Strong, smart, and will be missed. One of the best. J. B. , have a good weekend. Im chris cuomo, welcome to prime time. We promised we would never forget 9 11. Now, this is not a topic that i like to talk about. But tonight we have to. I think we have to talk about what never forget meant. Because it wasnt a call to simply remember the event or who was lost or how many 2,977, most here in new york. Too many never even found. To never forget who did it. Who could forget . I am haunted still every time i look at the sky downtown. I still see the collapse. I feel what went through my body as the towers came crashing down. Being covered in pulverized powder. What filled my eyes, ears, overwhelmed all my senses. It was a day that you could never forget. In fact, to kind of remember it, i keep some of it. I actually forgot it tonight, bit i keep some of it right next to my desk. My senior Producer Tyrese just handed it to me. I keep it because not just simply to remember but because of what is in here, of what it meant. What it meant about us, about the people i would never find, the people i would never see again, the people i would never forget. I remember it all. So many of us do. But never forget the call was for more than what was lost. We would have never forgotten what was found. And this reminder is so important right now that its worth discussing. Because ill tell you, the kid that youre going to see in these scenes from the reporting that i did in the days and weeks after, i dont even recognize him. I dont even know what i would say to him. What we were trying to capture was not the uniqueness of the threat but the uniqueness of the response. 9 11 was a horrible day. 9 12, 9 13, and the weeks thereafter, thats what we need to never forget. Thats what we need to remember now. America showed her best during the worst. The quiet city, so much of the horns of frustration and anger, quiet. The interdependence was evidenced Shore To shore. You were all new yorkers. You all hurt for the lost. You helped the survivors and the First Responders. You hunted the bad guys. Anyone can kill. I was never impressed by 9 11. But was america was, coming out of that event, was something only she, only we, are capable of. A Singular Resolve to fight what had just come our way with all our might, with All Of Us together, as ever, as one. Because when you come at one, you come at all, and the president got that right that time. I can hear you. [ cheers and applause ] i can hear you. The rest of the world hears you. And the people [ cheers and applause ] and the people who knocked these buildings down will hear All Of Us soon. [ cheers and applause ] u. S. A. u. S. A. u. S. A. when is the last time you heard chants of u. S. A. . Hard times. Big, strong people. And we were so strong in the aftermath. Now, remember, President Bush Wasnt exactly the Poster Boy of popularity leading up to that time. But youd be hard pressed to find someone who wasnt behind the words that came out of that bullhorn. Things were put aside because we saw what mattered. Many americans enrolled in the military, donors overwhelmed blood banks. People gave money, money they didnt have to give. People wanted to help whoever, however. It was a run on u. S. Flags and stores all across the country. They were flying off the shelves. God bless america almost replaced the national anthem. And we didnt get it all right. Bush, our other leaders, they made bad moves. There was anger. But the infighting was much less and there were many more willing to bridge any divide. We were full of americans, not about politics but people, country, cause. 9 11 completely changed so many, including me. Attacks like that at that time seemed to be the new normal. We thought, this was so easy for them to pull off. This is going to happen all of the time. The future became a guess as much as anything that was guaranteed. I got engaged 11 days after 9 11. Christina and i were married two months later. I joke all the time, christina put the wedding together very quickly because she knew id snap out of the trauma. But thats not the truth. The truth is she gave me a chance because we were all willing to take a chance on love at that time. And it was without Question Everything that Wound Up Mattering to me in life grew out of that moment. 9 11 and my engagement. A Sense Of Purpose and a sense of passion. If you told me back then we wouldnt be attacked like that again for 20 years and counting, i would have thought you were off your meds. Like many others, i would do the training and i would ask to cover the war. I would go to pakistan, iraq, afghanistan. Im not a war correspondent. Im not nearly as brave or capable as the people you see in bad ways. But i wanted to do my part, to inform you, but also support the cause. To never forget. I keep telling you that because we did forget, didnt we . That is so clear now. You know, even if you look back, our heroes who ran into those burning towers while Everyone Else was Running Out, why did they have to fight for so many years to prove what was obvious, that they were made sick by their commitment . Why did they have to go to Capitol Hill to fight waves and waves of politicians over the years just to get their health claims paid . Our time, our collective resolve over time, our desire to protect one another, its waned. Its been replaced by Division And Advantage and poison politics. Everywhere there are too many of us that see an other rather than a brother. And then came the most painful proof, the pandemic. An enemy many times greater than Al Qaeda. And in the face of the threat, we forgot. We literally were in denial. Our leadership turned us against one another, and we made ourselves sick. Literally. We all mourn 2,977. But we all but ignore 650,000 dead. And whats worse, is that we had some control. We had no control over 9 11. We had control and we have control over this pandemic. And were making it worse. We still are. We forgot. But what is forgotten can be remembered. And the president now called us to recall, that we can be different. One of the lessons i hope our students can unlearn is that politics doesnt have to be this way. Politics doesnt have to be this way. Theyre growing up in an environment where they see its like a war. Like a bitter feud. Not who we are as a nation. And it is not how we beat every other crisis in our history. We got to come together. Hard times make strong people and weak people make hard times. Were acting like a weak people right now. Those words that he said there, they echo to a time now 20 years past. Thats what were going to commemorate with 9 11. While it is 20 years ago, it is a state of being very much needed in the present. Actually, i argue we need to be who we were then more than we needed to be that then. We need it now. Cnn political analyst, friend, david gregory, had a front Row Seat to 9 11 history. He was covering the bush white house. He was in the Press Corps in 2001, traveled with bush on 9 11. He was with him at the elementary school. Remember that . In sarasota, florida when the 43rd president learned from the whisper from Andy Carr that the second plane had hit. You got to remember, they thought it was like a private Aviation Accident at first. And now here we are all these years later. You basically look the same. But the country, the country is very different, brother, are we not . Yeah, i think we are. I mean, i really identify with so much of what you said. And i think what struck me is how shortlived the best of ourselves were back then. That period where we came together, because when you face an external threat to who we are, we were reminded of who we are. And the best of ourselves. And i think President Bush at the time captured the sense of vulnerability and also the resolve and the Bullhorn Moment when i was, you know, 20 yards from him when he had that bullhorn on September 14th, and that was the spontaneous moment in front of that crowd, he reflected that moment so well. But 20 years later, im just reminded of how shortlived that sense of togetherness was. I mean, i have all the same stories. You know, my first child was not born until 2002 and i remember thinking, looking back, how thankful i was that he was not born on 9 11 because for me, i remember that morning on September 14th going to Ground Zero with President Bush, i was having a hard time as a reporter holding it together, hearing the stories of the trauma and the heartbreak, just as a reporter washes overwhelming to me. Let alone having been a parent at that time. So we all have these Touch Points of where were we when and where were we in our lives. And what strikes me is that we werent our very best for long enough. When you think back to the 14th, what do you remember about the mood and the feel that bush absolutely, brilliantly, picked up on and gave strength to a collective but what do you remember seeing and feeling from those First Responders mostly who were down there . Well, i remember coming around the corner so we had flown up to New Jersey to Fort Dix and we switched into helicopters, marine one, and we flew. We got a Ground Tour of Ground Zero. It was still, i mean, First Responders who were down there but i remember coming around a corner and being so overwhelmed at this Jagged Shard of latticework that was one of the towers that was sticking up almost like a fossil out of the ground, out of the smoky remains of the site. I was literally blown away emotionally by that and i was right behind bush as he was seeing this for the first time. And being struck by the weight of that moment, right, there was that kind of, the weight, youre a leader. You have to empathize with this moment. You have to reflect the resolve of the country. And also trying to figure out, what do i do . He knew this would define his presidency. He was an untested leader. We were talking about so many different things then even though the Al Qaeda threat had been known within the government. But, you know, how do you lead the country at a moment when the country is facing this external threat and when the country is scared . He knows then how scared the country is. You made the point. I mean, the idea of further attacks was something we all kind of took for granted. Oh, yeah. I think one of the legacies of 20 years is, you know, what does a country, what does a government do when its afraid . That is perfectly put, brother. I do wonder, look, hopefully this is just me being cynical. But, you know, Bush Wasnt popular at that time. He was having trouble. Guiliani was not popular at that time. He was having trouble. But they both own that moment and people put everything else aside because nothing else mattered as much. I wonder if today, god forbid, if it happened today when we saw what happened with the pandemic and we saw what was, you know, really gratuitously twisted out of the afghanistan history to how we got here, do you think we would come together as we did then, or do you think the reflex would be trump blaming biden, you know, or the right looking at him and saying i told you we were weak, and them saying, no, you got us here. Yeah. I wonder, because there was none of that then. So i have two thoughts about that. One is i think Human Being to Human Being, we are still the best of ourselves in a crisis and when were under that kind of stress and when we face a crisis. I think there is little difference if this happens on your block, if it happens in your community, or if it happens to the country. I think we have, you know, we look after each other and were engaged in this kind of relationship what happens to you matters to me and vice versa. I think our media is so much different now, chris. And we saw this. It didnt take but a day after 9 11 for a lot of questions about, why didnt bush come back sooner . Was there really a threat to the white house . There were a lot of tough questions. That would be amplified now. Look how much traction some of the conspiracies theories got around, was this an Inside Job . That was even happening then. I think youd see a lot more splintering. I think it would be a lot faster to blame the current administration for lapses. Because i think theres enough of a kind of cacophony in Media Spaces that are far more disparate and Dising Aaggregaten they were even in 9 11. I dont think that center would hold. I think there would be people who would argue that is a good thing that you would shine a light on getting more information, more transparency. I dont know where i come down on that question but i think the response would be different. Human being to Human Being it would be the same, but i think our media is so much different. My belief is that 9 11 accelerated a splintering in the media that had already started. I think it goes back to really the Clinton Years and impeachment, and then 9 11, think about the Cable News wars, think about the debates over the Patriot Act, with us or against us, are you really a patriot, are you for our troops . All that stuff happens. In the media alone, you know, wearing of the pin. Should you wear it on the air or not . I mean, all of that stuff. The flag pin. An acceleration yeah, the flag pin. Now our politicians wear it all the time and obama didnt want to wear it initially and realized that he had to. At nbc, i had a colleague, you know, our former Colleague Terry Moran who did Wear A flag pin, and i remember Tom Brokaw saying, look, were just not going to start doing that. Because it was true. That became not just kind of patriotism, but it became an emblem of, are you kind of behind Watt Administration is doing . And the Bush Administration knew that. So it was a mixed kind of message and a lot of people in the media stood down from that. Just then in the aftermath, the republicans were obviously in control and they asked americans to give up real freedoms. You know . That is when we started getting searched at the airports and of course the Patriot Act that was overreach in some ways, but people did it because of a collective cause. Now taking a vaccine is too much for them. Anyway, i appreciate the perspective. Well delivered as expected. My brother david gregory, thank you for joining me. Thanks, pal. David gregory. Hell never forget. Now i mentioned the First Responders in there. Because they were an early sign of what david is talking about that, yeah, we come together in a crisis, but do we stay together . Why do our First Responders, all right, who we say are our heroes, they breathed in poison for us. Why did they have to fight so long . Why are they still fighting . My next guest is among those with chronic health issues. His first day as a firefighter was on september 11th. Youve got to listen to him, next. Everything felt like a no. but then paul went from no to know. With Freestyle Libre 14 day, now he knows how food affects his glucose. And he knows when to make different choices. Take the mystery out of your Glucose Levels and lower your a1c. Now you know. Try it for free. Visit freestylelibre. Us today lets paint with new Behr Dynasty™. So that you can be proud of your walls. Wheres your furniture . Oh we thought it distracted from the new Behr Dynasty paint color. Let me take your coats. Because Behr Dynasty only takes. One. Coat. Behr dynasty. Go ahead, throw your wine on it. What . Stain repellent. Its also scuff resistant. 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My next guest has been fighting for years to get congress to pass more funding so heroes like him can get adequate Health Care. Theyre not asking for a pay off. Theyre just asking to have their bills paid. Joining me now is retired firefighter, 9 11 first Responder Rob sera. Appreciate your service, brother. Thank you and thank you for having me. I know you got the big Hockey Department going on the Cops Versus the new York Fire department to raise money and awareness. I know its been popular and that is a great sign. But 20 years later, as i said before the break, was robs first day on the job. 9 11. What does 20 years mean to you . I dont know, man. As i said today, its been 20 years, i might be retired but i havent had a day off from 9 11 in 20 years. Im tired. My body is tired. Im emotionally exhausted for all the reasons you just stated. I dont know. In many ways it feels like it just happened yesterday, and in other ways it feels like it happened two lifetimes ago. How do you explain how the people that everybody held up as a symbol of our resolve, of our strength, that you guys have just been screwed time and time again when it comes to just taking care of you . Its not like you guys all said you wanted to punch a golden ticket because you were there for us on 9 11. Its just to deal with the bills and to get them paid for illness. Why do you think its been so hard . What are we missing . I dont know. I think there are people who made a career out of making us fight for this for 20 years, and i think that is where it starts. Im not sure. We didnt become firefighters to get rich. We would have chosen a different profession if it was about the money. Frankly, its insulting. And its not just insulting to us. They didnt just let us down but everybody who lived and worked in lower manhattan. They let down the 19,000 School Students who were sent to school in that toxic Dust Cloud under the assurance the air was safe to breathe. Now theyre in Their 20s And 30s and theyre getting sick and theyre dying. It is not just about us. Its about All Of Us, really. As you alluded to earlier, it is about letting americans down. You know, if were not going to take care of the people who rush into burning buildings and terrorist attacks, if were not taking care of those people, who is going to show up the next time . That is something i often brought up in washington. You cant just say never forget and prop us up once a year on your twitter feed, and then 364 days we have to fight for the Health Care and basically the scraps off their table. They like to say never forget, but they forgot us very early on. The Warning Signs were there in 2001. We had people getting sick. We had people getting heart attacks. We had people committing suicide. So it has really been a neverending battle for us. Everyone says we should go back to September 12th, but for most of us weve been stuck in September 12th for 20 years. And it really is a disgrace, quite frankly, the way All Of Us have been treated. It doesnt bode well for history. Where does it stand now in terms of the physical, and as you mentioned, the emotional, the psychological, the illnesses, that came about because of the experience and the job down there . The connections between the emotional trauma and the physical are real. Thats why were seeing accelerated cancers. That is why the fund is running low because were getting sicker more rapidly. Were getting sick quickly. You know, i have a friend who ran the new York City marathon in november. He died of Lung Cancer by march. You know, that is five months. It is just really, its taken a toll on All Of Us. When we hear things like the fund, the Health Program is Running Out of money, you know, the week leading up to the anniversary of 9 11, what does that do for us . Now we have people who not only are living through the trauma that they experienced 20 years ago, then the trauma of watching their friends get sick and die over the last 20 years. But now they have to worry that if they get sick that they may have to choose between their house and getting medical treatment or sending their kids to school. You know, we had one firefighter whose daughter was 18 years old, and she was the only one he had to take care of him. He was dying of cancer. She had to drop out of college. Thats not right. You know, it shouldnt be on people like me and other advocates to go out and raise funds basically to give these People Quality of life. You know . Your, right now, as is not often the case were going to see it from Ground Zero the pentagon has a Beam Of Light that theyre shooting up that they shot up for people. And i always wonder, one of you guys, i forget who, but one of the advocates and brother who had been down there said when that Beam Of Light, when you see it, we shine it as a reminder but it is also supposed to be about what were shining it on. From the pentagon shooting up into the sky, but if you want to focus people on things focus on what matters. And taking care of the people who took care of us matters. Rob, i promise you, you have found friends and champions in the media, but i promise you, you got friends here and we will fight the fight for the people who fought for us. And i wish you well, brother. Thank you very much. We appreciate it. Rob serra. Now, this is the first 9 11 since we ended the war in afghanistan. We have good news on that front. Remember, you want to come together in a crisis. We got to get americans home. We got to get allies home. And we are. I have a story for you about an afghan family that escaped, one son had to be left behind. 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As this day reminds us what never forget is supposed to mean, we also cant forget who has been left behind. The State Department says nearly three dozen u. S. Citizens have been evacuated in the week and a half since we pulled out. They say roughly A Hundred americans still remain. I hear the number is more. Well see. The number of afghan allies who knows . Literally could be in the tens of thousands of people who may be hunted. Through it all veterans, not left and right, just the reasonable and righteous have been leading the Rescue Effort and making all the difference. Digitaldunkirk. One is this Man Army Veteran Steve Cling. The man next to him is his former interpreter. In the days leading up to kabuls fall. Say ed knew he had to get his family out but on the day it was supposed to happen a clerical issue with his Sons Paperwork forced a heartwrenching decision. Leave the kid behind and get everybody else out including his five other young kids, or nobody goes. 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I just told you about sayedsdat and his 16yearold son and the efforts it took to get him out of kabul. He finally reunited with his family in sacramento last night. The man recording the moment is Steve Cling a veteran who helped him escape. All three are here. Beautiful, brothers. I am so happy that this came together. I want to start with the guy who matters most. Adiel, You Are The One who fought your way through the crowds, got to the gate, and pleaded with people to listen to you. What was that like for you . Like so, i am so scared from the taliban. But when i come inside of airport i was so happy because i would come to my family. And four weeks i didnt see my family. So i was so happy for this. Sayed, how hard was it for you to make the choice of who to take and how to leave your son in that moment . It was very tough decision for me. But, yeah, no choice. On my visa two months were gone and if i wait four more months my visa will be expired. So that is why i take my decision to leave with my five kids and leave my oldest son behind so i can help from the united states to bring him out. You know, steve, thank you for your service. Including what youre doing right now. It took me a while, but finally one of you guys explained to me, because this has never happened before, digital dunkirk, veterans like you, the networks of helpers. And the reason that its happening is because of what the promise that is made to battle Brothers And Sisters means to a veteran whos been in theatre with them. Explain to people why people like sayed mean so much to you, why you call them allies and brothers. Well, that motto is leave no one behind. And sayed was with us shoulder to shoulder every day. We were civil affairs. We had a very busy op tempo. We were outside the wire every day almost. Sayed was with us every day except the few days where his Son Adil was born we were there on that tour. Not only that, not only did sayed have our back that entire time he went on to serve with seven or eight additional teams after we left. And of Course Id like to call out the fact we got to go home at The End of our tours. That was their home. They had to put their families at risk, their identities at risk, to go out and stand shoulder to shoulder with us on that mission. You know, its become politicized that this is about hurting biden and that this is all, you know, to embarrass republicans. I have not heard that from any of the guys and women that ive been trying to help coordinate these efforts and get the message out. What do you want americans to know about why this matters so much to them . I wish that i could find a way for all americans to feel the way that i felt the last few weeks coming together, starting a select channel. Im standing in the home of a gentleman that i didnt even know three weeks ago who we started slack channel with that brought thousands of veterans and matched need with capacity and no one even thought to ask what your political persuasion is. It would have been almost profane to do so in that context. It is something where we all came together. It made absolute sense to All Of Us that we were going to, you know, fulfill this mission and fulfill that motto to make sure that those that stood with us are not left behind. We are here to put pressure on the administration to remember that oath. That we take it seriously. And, you know, in the hopes that they will also take it as seriously as we do. Sayed, youre new to the united states. What is life like for you here . How are people greeting you in the country when they find out how you got here . I like it here. I got freedom. Full freedom i got here. Culturewise, i am very happy with my family now. I am the happiest man right now especially with my son here now. When people find out that you were an interpreter and brought over here and the veterans helped you, what do they say to you, the other americans . They were happy because when they saw me here and i am here with my family, they were very happy. Adil, you already showed you can get through something that very few people your age would do especially on their own. And im sure that it signals youll have a great life here. And im very happy youre here. In fact, its good. You know, this shot of you three guys, you look like a band, you know, all kind of dressed together and it looks like an album cover. Im glad the band is back together. I wish you a very good life in this country. I thank you for the help in keeping people like steve safe, sayed, and adil, welcome to the country. Enjoy yourself. Make the most of your freedom. And, steve, thank you for showing why you guys are the best of us. Well be right back. 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The question is, well, what else can we do . Lets discuss with scott jennings. Good to see you, brother. Hey, chris. So, nobody really likes the idea of the government telling us to do anything. Um but, telling us to take vaccines polio, smallpox, mumps, measles, rubella. This is not new. What makes this such a novel revocation of freedom to you guys . Well, first of all, id just like to start off this segment by saying im vaccinated. I got my shot as soon as i could get it because i wanted the Personal Freedom to make my own Decision And Study it. And i came to the very quick conclusion that these vaccines work. We all need to do it. I got my my wife got vaccinated. Our oldest child is, as well. He is the only one old enough in our household to do it. I think a lot of conservatives, though, have different, you know, rationale for opposing this. Number one, as you said, they dont like being told what to do. Number two, i do think there are some conservatives out there who are worried about the slippery slope. If you can mandate this and and to own what they consider a very personal decision for the purpose of Public Health or alleviating emergencies in our healthcare system, what else could you apply that to and the slope that that puts us on . Number three, i do think there are a lot of libertarianminded people out there, who just dont think the government ought to be involved in any kind of decision like this, particularly one of a personal nature. So i dont know that you could pigeonhole it into one, specific reason. Oh, by the way, there are a lot of young people out there. Some conservative and some not who think they risk is so low that this is unnecessary. So again, i think there are numerous things going on among the population. None of it is curable, probably, frankly, by the mandate. But a lot of it doesnt have any substance behind it. Well, they think. Well, they feel. Well, they dont know. Thats not the issue. The issue is we have a pandemic. The issue is the only thing that works is the Vaccine And Mitigation measures. And everything else has been tried, and we are steeped in sickness that is keeping You And Me and a majority of republicans and democrats, whatever that means these days, from living their lives because of is this stubborn minority. So if not the mandate, then what is to be done . Well, i think there are some people who would say Theres Nothing to be done. That we are going to have to learn to live with it. And and they would say, again, i am projecting here but, you know, i think they would say, look, we learned to live with the flu. We learned to live with a lot of healthcare issues in this country and we just sort of mitigate it. 30 of people get a flu shot, yet the flu kills quite a few folks every year. This is nothing like the flu. The only reason its even in the conversation listen. We are going to have to learn to live with it, anyway. They still have vestiges of the Spanish Flu that are still around in circulation. Thats also not the point. The only person who ever likened this to the flu was president trump. It is nothing like the flu. It is far more contagious. It kills more people. It maims more people. Its not even a close call. And we have a variant, upon a variant, because of our negligence. Our kids who cant be vaccinated yet are now vulnerable. The elderly and the infirmed are vulnerable because of this stubborn minority. Again, im all for freedom. You know, we were just talking about 9 11. The republicans asked us to give up a lot more freedoms than the choice to question a vaccine that you dont know anything about after 9 11 and we did it out of collective cause. Where is the sense of collective cause among the people passing bad information on your side of the aisle . And just deciding not to go along with what theyre told to do. At what point must that have a consequence . Well, a couple things. Number one, again, i agree with you. I think getting a vaccination, frankly, is part of our civic duty at this point. I mean, and i am glad i had the personal, you know, freedom to do that. I dont need to be told about this. I hear you. Scott, just help me with one thing. Make your point but just define one thing. You guys keep saying this. I had the Personal Freedom to do it. Where is this language coming from . When you got your kids vaccinated, you dont say i have a Personal Freedom to get my kids vaccinated today. You get em vaccinated cause they have to, to go to school. What is this personal Freedom Thing all of the sudden . Well, i mean, i would i would tell you that for conservatives, the Word Freedom and Civil Liberties and and, you know, Personal Freedom i know, but why are you applying it to this . This is a motivating issue for a great part of our partys history. Thats what i am saying. Of course, everyone believes in freedom and Civil Liberties and being able to do their own thing. I just dont see how it applies here. The science says take it. Just like with the other vaccines, it says take it and we do it but not this time. Why . Quickly, i got to go but last point to you. Yeah. Absolutely. Well, i mean, look. I would just tell you a lot of folks think its a very personal thing to take a medicine or a vaccine of any kind. And to be told to do it again, i dont need to be told to do it but i think among the unvaccinated crowd, i do think there theres some behavioral Psychology Research that indicates mandates may make it worse. It may make them dig in even more. And so, i would just say to you, as someone who wants more people to get vaccinated, i am skeptical that the mandates are going to work because of that issue. I would also just wrap up by saying biden may actually find some political Running Room on this. I actually happen to think his people are for it. Probably, a slight majority of independents are for it and you are going to find a slice of republicans, particularly older ones, that are for it, too. So he may find some political Running Room, even if it ultimately doesnt have the desired impact. Scott, i appreciate it. Good health to you and your family. Well be right back with the handoff. Thanks, chris. Clearly, nothing melts like velveeta. I order my groceries online now. Shingles doesnt care. I keep my social distance. Shingles doesnt care. I stay within my family bubble. Shingles doesnt care. Because if youve had chicken pox, youre already carrying the virus that causes shingles. In fact, about 1 in 3 people will develop shingles, and the risk only increases as you age. So what can protect you against shingles . Shingrix protects. Now you can protect yourself from shingles with a vaccine proven to be over 90 effective. Shingrix is a vaccine used to prevent shingles in adults 50 years and older. 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